Convincing Shadowheart to betray Shar and release Nightsong | Baldur's Gate 3

[@mechakitsune]

I love how after all the machinations and evil magics needed to hold the Nightsong in this place and siphon her power for a century, all that is needed to break evil’s hold is a heartfelt gesture of kindness. Truly beautiful.

[@ГригорийГ-ч4н]

Did you notice that child of Selune was called Nightsong... While Shar had a title Nightsinger?

[@override367]

Nightsong was a title given to her by Shar@@ГригорийГ-ч4н I guess she's also a child of shar as well, but then again so are all creatures on Toril

[@EricCummingsNB]

Yeah, that and the battle that happening directly before hand where you defeat The villain holding her capture…

[@littlehorror1057]

Uhh not beautiful. Balthazar did it intentionally as a spite to her. It was a power play. "You will be denied even the simplest of kindness, and it will hurt all the more because it is the simplest kindness that will free you"

[@MissChambersxo]

This moment gets so much better on a replay and it was already fucking amazing. Why? Because every single word Dame Aylin says here is true. She’s not even begging for her life. She genuinely doesn’t want Shadowheart to go through with what she does here because like you, she knows the truth about who Shadowheart really was.

[@aprilg4116]

When she transforms into her armor with the sword i genuinely had chills

[@tsenohebot4853]

Same, this whole sequence was just a masterpiece

[@KingRitoru364]

I. Am. Resplendent!

[@teleman07]

I always had her stripped naked during my entire playthrough. Good to learn something new.

[@maryhales4595]

The second the music started, I was entranced. The whole cutscene is a masterpiece. Thank you Larian!!

[@ridergilwin1494]

Good God… the music, the voice acting, “Our Lady of Silver. Hear me!” It’s all so fucking GOOD!

[@maryhales4595]

Everyone say thank you Larian!

[@Bejleri]

If you have very high relationship with her,doing nothing is the best choice.She makes the decision on her own.

[@foulXD]

yep, my bar was almost full (couldnt even see the other end of the bar anymore) and she threw the spear away herself.

[@Abyssionknight]

Damn. So my attempts to save her pushed her down the dark path? That's heart breaking. I haven't gotten too far past that point, so no clue if I'll ever get another chance to help her escape from Shar's clutches, but I definitely hate seeing Shadowheart trying to justify what happens after she kills Nightsong in my run.

[@foulXD]

@@Abyssionknight how full was the approval bar? because mine was almost full and i didnt do anything but just "trust her" and she threw it away. 🤔

[@foulXD]

@@Abyssionknight also did you let her pray at the shrine with the rats? because dont do it. you have to make a really hard persuasion check later. dont let her do things that only harden her believe to shar.

[@baishihua]

@@foulXD Oh I see, I was like the it need to be at 30 to win which is ridiculous.

[@FearTheVikingYT]

The voice acting in this game is amazing almost without exception but I really got to hand it to whoever voiced The Nightsong/Dame Aylin. Stunning work! The conviction of her delivery gives me chills as much as the music in this scene.

[@4360241]

this!

[@maryhales4595]

Helen Keeley! She did an incredible job.

[@rendros88]

can't stop thinking about this scene, one of the most emotional moments in gaming for me.

[@BezimiennyBot]

It gets even more emotional later...

[@ЯБезымянный-о5ф]

More emotional even if you don't try to persuade her and let her make the choice herself.

[@spiritknifeVT]

Same - this was the first cutscene in this game that actually brought tears to my eyes

[@seablade214]

I had a cool nat 20 on this moment no joke. I had basically chosen every respectful of her belief option I could have up until this moment too so role play wise I felt like that famous Last Airbender scene with Iroh and Zuko. Iroh had always been respectful of his nephew's hunt for the good guy, but when he saw him reach such a self destructive moment he stepped in. So my guy literally has a moment of, "I've respected your choices, but you have to think about what do YOU want!" Made the 20 feel so good, even if I know from others that she can make the choice herself too.

[@ЯБезымянный-о5ф]

You could have just trusted her to make the right choice herself. She's a good girl. Would have spared you the roll, lol.

[@BezimiennyBot]

When I got a 20 using an inspiration roll, I literally took my headphones off, stood up and dabbed in front of my monitor

[@gjfwang]

@@BezimiennyBot lol, I just stayed quiet and she threw away the spear anyways

[@Shoes4Sigma]

@@gjfwangI was just nervous my approval with Shadowheart wasn’t high enough. But I did hit that nat 20, just about screamed

[@TheGenchannel]

I used 4 inspirations on the 30 DC roll only for the game to immediately give me the dc 20 roll after... first time i savescummed and she ended up sparing her with no roll anyway.

[@dallasdewitt7625]

This shit is sooooo SICK. Nearly shed a tear at how beautiful the cinematic was. One of the best cut scenes in gaming EVER!!!

[@muhammedrzasengun7272]

"Aylin" means "Moon Glow" in Turkish. So as a turkish player i can say they've chosen a great name for her.

[@LadyStoneheart312]

That is awesome and Turkish is a beautiful language

[@alexwang3282]

actually you can avoid that hard roll if you pick the first line then convince shadowheart listen to her.

[@mariosubatrop3080]

Thanks i was looking for this info ❤

[@zerio_1245]

Thank you so much man! I was trying to get the roll done but it just wasnt working at all but with your advice i could easly convince shadowheart!! Again thank you soo much for this!

[@crusherguy9916]

MAN, I LITERALLY LOVE U! TNX, FFS, i thought i need to replay the fight and take someone and something to boos my persuasion

[@Wheatey]

I think a lot of it can depend on previous choices but this is correct. I left it to her and then just stayed silent while they spoke and she still turned. I found that much more impactful than the roll as well.

[@antikristbutalsoawanker7547]

I did not see it in time, I needed to slay her 😭😭

[@fyberness]

Literal chills when that music kicks in. So, SO good.

[@maryhales4595]

Every time, without fail.

[@alexsolomon7991]

Thinking on this it's so sad to consider what probably happened with viconia in the time span between baldur's gate 2 and 3. She managed to escape servitude to one evil goddess only to find herself manipulated by another.... Trying to find a better path only to discover...loss.

[@boanoah6362]

Victims of abuse often find themselves drawn to abusers, as sad as it is, Viconia has made whatever choices she's made to be where she is.

[@override367]

Viconia is a cleric of Shar when you first encounter her in BG1, after being abused by those farmboys in the shed, Lolth didn't answer her prayers, but Shar did

[@alexsolomon7991]

@@override367 well as the game proves Shar's favors have strings and those strings tend to have sharp sharp hooks attached.

[@Kat1kafka]

One of the greatest moments in this game. God, I love this game. It's really giving me back those dragon age origins goosebumps

[@SusanaCanales1]

Hell yes!

[@zenith110]

The melody is so beautiful - I was completely captivated, no pun intended

[@sims8717]

I do not know anything about DnD. So to me going in this game everything seemed dire and bleak with all the odds stacked against me. Until this scene. I felt like i withnessed hope. Literally gasped as i saw the angle. Ive made a separate save file just to witness this agian. Absolutely beautiful moment through and through. Gave me goosebumps everytime the music came on.

[@ivarandresosorio6461]

This game is the best thing to happen to the gaming industry in years.

[@PenguinsAreColdish]

elden ring came out last year btw

[@Denois95]

​@@PenguinsAreColdishboth are masterpieces in their own right. BG3 is now my favorite crpg. It used to be dragon age origins, which is Bioware's masterpiece IMO

[@zackicookie]

@@Denois95 So true! Ill always prefer bg3 though xD

[@mogang___1802]

my character was dead when shadowheart had this dialogue so couldnt stop her from killing nightsong🫠

[@shepardcommander9960]

My whole party except 1 person was dead but I used revive scrolls before starting the cutscene lol

[@rileysmith117]

Aylin released from rag and dirt to elegant armor and large sword. Assimire are truly a beautiful race.

[@Vioblight]

Love that her hair turns white after this! This is what we chose on our first playthrough

[@mitchwok]

That scene and music was beautiful. I was sp excited when I found out she was an Aasimar (prb my favorite race) honestly wished they was playable

[@Sam_Graves]

"I am resplendent." Yes, you fucking are, holy shit. about an hour later: Holy shit, I'm glad she's on our side.

[@MetalCharlo]

I rolled a fucking nat20 during this scene lmfao. That's a top 10 gaming moment for me, I wanted to persuade her so bad.

[@falconofthenight008]

So I just finished this moment but I let her choose for herself. The goosebumps and chills I got when she decided to throw it off the cliff herself and then seeing the aasimar power up and take flight. One of the best moments I've had in a game

[@ekucukkeles]

Best cutscene ever in al video game history, played this game over 500 hours still can’t let Shadowheart kill Aylin because I just can’t deny myself this cutscene, so freaking good!!

[@murderbunnies]

dayman...aaahhhaaaahhhAAAAA...fighter of the nightman aaahhhaaaaahhhAAAA...

[@PerfectParadox]

Champion of the sun!

[@CompanionCubie1]

He is a master of karate AND FRIENDSHIIIP....

[@johnnybravous]

I keep going back to listen to Nightsing's va its so good

[@nilocblue]

I literally had chills in this scene, I was so shocked, and even got someone emotional. I couldn't believe what was happening.

[@ManticoreRO]

This brought tears when I played it... brilliant

[@lazylabyrinth5561]

Ring ring "Yeah hello? Is this Withers? Yes, I want to respect pls. 4 clerics of Selune. Yes, u too. Thanks!"

[@hardknocklife5164]

THIS is how you write a strong female character. Not like that Hollywood cringe shit

[@darth_yoda]

I wish I knew what the track is called the one that plays in the background when you free her... It's SOO damn BEAUTIFUL!

[@Yoshi-bj3ex]

It’s called nightsong

[@darth_yoda]

@@Yoshi-bj3ex Thank you!!!!!

[@MrSuperKarate]

Borislav Slavov - 19 song Nightsong

[@buddylord3020]

When you see her fully transformed and then you realize that Ketheric sent an undead male version to capture his daughter which the Nightsong loved. That dude was an srse

[@keeganbate8935]

3:40 for epic chills

[@ulvimammadzada208]

When I was fighting Balthazar Shadowheart died, so I didn't even need to "convince" her

[@cooperblackwell1392]

Bro I wanted aasimar to be playable in this game and now I see why they didn’t, they used them as a empyrean/solar hybrid

[@supervastgut1568]

Guys, just trust our goth mommy and keep your mouth shut and she throws the spear away. Literally just stay out of it and she does great

[@ЯБезымянный-о5ф]

Exactly. Under all those shadows there's a heart of gold.

[@TildeSymbol]

Well you know what they say, never trust a Shart. 😅

[@Raven7744]

Not always. In my first playthrough I was romancing her and had very high approval, I stayed out of it and she killed her anyway. In my second playthrough I was playing Dark Urge, killed the druids and was an overall menace to society. I don't know what the approval was since I wasn't using her much and did not romance her. Anyway, there I let her choose freely and she spared nightsong. Dame Aylin then stayed in camp until the end of the game, it was a bit immersion breaking but made of an epic fight against Ketheric under the tower. An avatar of Selune and a spawn of Baahl fighting against Myrkul. While all other party members were down or dead

[@pattersonbunting259]

I had no idea that I started breaking shadow hearts belief when I passed a perception check in act 1 and asked why she had a selune marking on her lol

[@Piranha-Boy]

Didnt need to do/say anything. She did this all by herself on my playthrough. So proud of her s2

[@uihjihigh]

I finished the fight right before talking to nightsong, then shadowheart was at my camp all of a sudden, and i couldn't get her back there. I started dialogue with nightsong and Shadowheart was back talking with her. I also passed the persuasion check, spared nightsong. Shadowheart was at the camp again. I go back to the camp to get her back, she starts a dialogue, and tells me i ruined her life and leaves the party. Wtf... haha

[@감자-l7k4j]

I play this game many times and many characters, but I can't stop crying when shadowheart throw the spear to cliff.... even I don't do anything at this time. We know we can fix her....

[@skavenslave4570]

Balthazar? as in the Supreme Patriarch of the Imperial Colleges of Magic and one of the Empire's greatest wizards of the age?

[@sindrelienrilda3078]

Killed Balthazar yesterday, but Shadowheart died, so I missed out on the dialogue for this! The game still jumped to the same conclusion as this ending. Not sure if it’s because of high relationship or what, but I’m glad it worked out with an ending I like.

[@MalumZeth]

I had no choice but to push her off :(

[@raistlin3462]

It's quite telling how after this scene Shadowheart tells us Shar seems... strangely silent. As in "SO damn pissed out about my new chosen sparing and releasing my accursed niece, that I'm beyond 😡😡😡."

[@SpacedOwls]

Came here for the song at 3:43

[@ChaoticGoodPeasant23]

It's called 'Nightsong', rightly so. It's already on YT.

[@MartinG1993]

Somehow i got an easier doce roll. First i said "please, dont do this" it felt right for my character it felt like it wasnt to agressive. She brisked and sounded more determined, so I replied saying i cant loose her and to do as she wishes. When it came up for me to say something again i choose the new persuade option and the roll was around 20 from i remember. Wonder what i did to make it easier.

[@charmboy5241]

So sadly, I have two saves. One where I freed her and we are currently fighting in the tower but all the mini side quest freeing the gnomes and finding the kids are gone. And another where I start all over from the beginning of the dungeon which took at least 2+ hours along with three bosses I have to kill again. Should I move on and let mol n the kids die or should I free her after I do the tower

[@imaginary_pies]

got a crit straight away... really pleased with the result

[@Zethai]

What is the reward from going against shar? Do you get a different quest / reward route?

[@furryfloofer8742]

You get 2 different weapons, your romance with her would go far more smoothly, and you get additional interaction/information relating to Shadowheart throughout the game, because Nightsong was left alive, a boss fight will also be easier.

[@Fuyu_Sei12]

I didnt spec into Charisma, being a Ranger. I lost count the amount of save scumming I did to talk her out of it. Hoping and praying for a crit roll. But it was worth

[@gachalordnoobie4911]

Omfg that armor is absolutely gorgeous. Please tell me what it is called!

[@Poopcopy]

I failed the check and she still threw it away

[@azuraquinlilax1245]

Idk why but it’s feeling kind of ELUNE right now

[@THESHADOWMASTER9]

So she makes the right choice on her own if you say nothing and your relationship is high enough, but there was NO supporting evidence that showed she was having a change of heart before this. It was always "SHAR SHAR SHAR!"

[@Rubbe87]

shadowheart was dead when i did this so i was confused why she said she betrayed her goddes.

[@SeemsLogical]

How the hell did you roll a 30? I thought the die could only reach 20 as the highest.

[@Tuyguycreed]

with all of the added bonuses it added up to 31

[@fathurrachman9498]

20 is critical success no matter how high the DC and vice versa for 1

[@willl676]

I've rolled a 42 today at a deception check

[@Attack_Pillow]

Oops, we ended up in a disagreement and I ended up pushing her into the endless abyss after threatening me. 😅 Totally worth it. But the game treated it as if she was still alive and chose to save the night song with the companion dialogue.

[@AerthQuakeWasTaken]

Shadowheart actually left my party after this because I couldn't use her properly so I didn't bring her to the gauntlet and I freed the Nightsong without her.

[@foulXD]

yep, not bringing along shadowheart to the gauntlet (or rather the boss fight) makes her leave the party.

[@ЯБезымянный-о5ф]

You were missing on an extremely strong AOE fighter.) Genociding the undead is like Clerics only job.

[@TovKafur]

@@ЯБезымянный-о5ф Being a Cleric, she is a must in pretty much every party unless you play/hire another Cleric. Bless, Healing, Turn Undead are all very important tools in first two acts.

[@agssilv5919]

​@@TovKafurspecially the second act like there are sooo many undead

[@PenguinsAreColdish]

deserved

[@MrValhallaKing]

Oh my god I love this game

[@jonnyorigan]

I got the full opposite of this where she runs her through and goes full religious Zealot. Absolutely HATED her for doing this and it made my stomach turn. The only saving grace was after we went outside, I spawned back to last light in which was now fully of shadow spawn. I got promptly nuked as I was weak from previous battle. The last save I had was during Shadowhearts dialogue with Nightsong, so I didn't feel "too" guilty about save scumming :). I didn't mind as to be honest she goes full sith with the other outcome and it didnt sit right with me. My god what a game

[@alexanderrudhem4242]

Sailor moon reference

[@grizzlyadamblack]

Her face looka so goofy here

[@DragonRage61]

Good Choice! 😇

[@michalkrasnodebski8709]

great...is ther any chance I could do it as barbarian xD ?

[@heartles_xyz]

I did it as a barbarian, had extremely high approval with shadowheart, asked her if this was really what she wanted, and trusted her to do what was right. No roll needed. I love how this scene plays out when it's solely her choice.

[@adrisanj]

What armor does your character have?

[@ЯБезымянный-о5ф]

I think it's the original set you find in the Library, together with an awesome helmet.

[@Vendiese]

I had to kill my shadowheart cuz she went crazy ...

[@kailius790]

I just threw the spear in to the abyss myself and she automatically goes to this dialogue

[@albindeval]

My Shadowheart got shoved over the edge then left me forever when i rescued nightsong...

[@LoveDeathEmbrace]

And this is why i kill Balthazar in the library, at the first meet!

[@sorrowinchrist3387]

If you dont persuade her and she kill nightsong everyone in the lightin such as Jaheria dies!

[@NiklasMJ]

she is thrilled with me so basically the most amount of approvel i can get yet i can't even convince her cuz my char don't have persuasion skill so i can atmost get a +8 so a 28 even when i roll a perfect 20.. that feels kinda bs. when she constantly says shit like, she didn't know what it felt like to smile or have butterflies in the stomach before she met me.. having to roll a 30 seems extremely excessive. shouldn't it decrease the amount needed depending on your relationship.. meanwhile even tho i dont have that good relations with Lae'Zel i got her to turn on Vlaakith mega ez..

[@toddhoward6553]

You dont have to roll anything to get this path.

[@NiklasMJ]

@@toddhoward6553 yeah found out in the end xD

[@adamkaminski6095]

Also if you roll a natural 20 it's always success. No matter the DC. At least in this game.

[@NiklasMJ]

@@adamkaminski6095 i had reloaded prob 10 times with 4 banked inspiration and never landed a natural 20 xD so got enough and searched on youtube, found this vid and a comment telling u could go the other dialogue path xD but yeah wasn't sure that that was how it worked, guess i'm just not lucky enough for it to have been noticable for me

[@MattyManden]

​@@NiklasMJI was so lucky, I made 1 reroll using inspiration and got nat 20. But it is nice to see that you don't have to go that route

[@Arteln]

Shadowheart looks prettier on low graphics ngl lmao

[@nemo5335]

it's kinda horseshit that the good ending is entirely dependent on this very difficult dice roll. i find this game goes out of it's way to punish you for not doing a charisma build.

[@vikitepes]

Thought about it too. Sad if that's the case

[@acid4413]

Charisma is too broken lol I've straight up just told some really powerful enemies to just kill themselves and they did it

[@KingShakakil]

You don't have to make the dice roll at all if you just trust her

[@riyankoto]

someone wrote to choose the first option first to avoid the hard roll

[@63Limar]

There is a second option for like 14/16 roll check

[@GennadiCitrus]

Worst instance of storytelling by Larian by far Only sane choice would result in SH turning on you and leaving the party Esp when you didn't choose to kiss her, being evil goddess fanatic