Convolution-What's τ got to do with it?

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Darryl Morrell

Darryl Morrell

12 жыл бұрын

This video explains where the tau in the continuous-time convolution integral comes from and what it means.
This video was created to support courses in the Engineering Department on the Polytechnic campus of Arizona State University. Links to other videos can be found at www.engineeringvideos.org and sites.google.com/a/asu.edu/sig...
This video is made available under the Creative Commons BY-SA license.

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@mirmuneerhussainiamachange2862
@mirmuneerhussainiamachange2862 8 жыл бұрын
I love the way you explain a very complex concept in just a simple way !!!...... Too GOOD Sir..
@dialga2
@dialga2 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mr. Morrell for these amazing, concise videos. I was completely lost at convolution, particularly with the whole Tau variable part. Your video was EXACTLY what I needed, an extremely thorough explanation of why Tau is involved and now I am able to understand the convolution process entirely. Thank you again and I am now subscribed to your amazing channel, your work is very appreciated!
@johnsenkyle13
@johnsenkyle13 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This is exactly what I was missing to link the intuitive flip-and-sweep idea to the equation in my mind.
@BicycleFunk
@BicycleFunk 4 жыл бұрын
One more step towards complete understanding. Thank you.
@tomyproconsul
@tomyproconsul 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the explanation! Since almost every example of convolution I've come across with used even functions, I never understood why h(t-tau) is used. Now I know that it is to reflect the function. I still need to build more intuition and practice, but this video gave me a good push in the right direction!!
@amandafalke7670
@amandafalke7670 9 жыл бұрын
your engineering videos are top-notch. Thanks for explaining clearly. I wish you were my professor!
@Doodlebub007
@Doodlebub007 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for explaining this! It's nice to now have an understanding as to why tau is used instead of just using it blindly!
@Captain_Rhodes
@Captain_Rhodes 9 жыл бұрын
A good way to understand that flip and shift thing is like this - h(t-T) = h(-(T-t)) I think if you re-write it like that it makes much more sense
@sofianedjoudi8496
@sofianedjoudi8496 8 жыл бұрын
+Captain Rhodes thank you! you saved me from getting confused :D
@MrAndreaCaso
@MrAndreaCaso 8 жыл бұрын
+Captain Rhodes I thought exactly the same thing :) Slightly clearer the way you wrote it, Captain. Good lecture Darryl!
@Captain_Rhodes
@Captain_Rhodes 8 жыл бұрын
cool. can I shoot one at you lot. it seems to me that convolution can be viewed graphically in 2 seperate ways. one involves the shifting of a function and computing a running integral , the other involves stacking the function (and scaling it) horizontally. has anyone else noticed this? I mean its never adressed that theres 2 graphical approaches but I find this very confusing. in dicrete time they always use the second approach but for continuous time it seems to vary depending on the mood of the instructor.
@willsoe
@willsoe 8 жыл бұрын
+Captain Rhodes I didnt think graphical methods could be applied to continuous time functions?
@Captain_Rhodes
@Captain_Rhodes 8 жыл бұрын
willsoe yes they can. they are always very badly explained
@DGCAD
@DGCAD 12 жыл бұрын
It was a very good explanation! I'm taking the course of Automatic Control, and the convolution videos that you've posted has been a huge help. Thank you so much!
@mohamedramadanmohamed3744
@mohamedramadanmohamed3744 5 жыл бұрын
Really you make everything clear,I like that.
@DarrylMorrell
@DarrylMorrell 11 жыл бұрын
When h(t) and x(t) are both zero for values of t less than zero, the limits of integration become 0 to t. When h(t) and x(t) are non-zero for all values of t, the limits of integration are -infinity to infinity.
@beni767
@beni767 10 жыл бұрын
It helped ! Hats off to you sir!
@asemmahdi4427
@asemmahdi4427 8 жыл бұрын
Finally I got it! The best explanation!
@siddharthsvnit
@siddharthsvnit 5 жыл бұрын
This is really helpful and detailed, thanks for this
@KlaskeyProductions
@KlaskeyProductions 9 жыл бұрын
Lightbulb at 8:25. Thank you so much, man.
@markmisin
@markmisin 8 жыл бұрын
Thank You! Great explanation!
@edgardosalvador8418
@edgardosalvador8418 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this knowledge!
@darciosabbadini8869
@darciosabbadini8869 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing convolution
@amanjain2549
@amanjain2549 7 жыл бұрын
thanks very good explaination keep it up
@mohabsoft
@mohabsoft 9 жыл бұрын
amazing video thank you :)
@aman_
@aman_ 5 жыл бұрын
Great explaination sir... 👌👌👌
@rd-tk6js
@rd-tk6js 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks ! Very Usefull
@pedroserpa1015
@pedroserpa1015 3 жыл бұрын
thanks, i've had an Eureka feeling here. Now sounds clear to me. Sometimes signals has too much symbols and I feel a bit lost
@gyros9162
@gyros9162 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@chillingmeko
@chillingmeko 7 жыл бұрын
@ 8:12 why isn't the u(t) function shifted to the left by two instead so it would effectively end at -2? Wouldn't h(2-tao) be left shift by two?
@kilimnik1983
@kilimnik1983 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much
@JeronimusJack
@JeronimusJack 6 жыл бұрын
great video on how it works, now i just need to find out why it's done :)
@TheEmad619
@TheEmad619 7 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!VERY MUCH.
@emmy46
@emmy46 5 ай бұрын
thank you man
@imtheqb91
@imtheqb91 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!!!
@abdalsamadkeramatfar1589
@abdalsamadkeramatfar1589 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, A question, while tau domain is from minus infinity to positive infinity, why you use just positive values?
@angkulitnio
@angkulitnio 11 жыл бұрын
thank you, makes a bit more sense now
@hcovic
@hcovic 7 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU
@Hamzediab
@Hamzediab 7 жыл бұрын
very beautiful
@xiuyuanzhao8491
@xiuyuanzhao8491 8 жыл бұрын
Thankyou!!!
@jak712we
@jak712we 12 жыл бұрын
thanks it very helpful
@arunredmi5338
@arunredmi5338 7 жыл бұрын
even i had same question why tou has to got to do..thanks for explanation
@deepakkumarmeena1890
@deepakkumarmeena1890 5 жыл бұрын
love it
@mahakhan9762
@mahakhan9762 4 жыл бұрын
the only thing i remember from class is "tau is a dummy variable!! but your explanation makes more sense lol
@gokuvegeta9500
@gokuvegeta9500 3 жыл бұрын
Smh rote learning at best
@Ensign_Cthulhu
@Ensign_Cthulhu 11 жыл бұрын
I see. Obvious when someone shows you! Thanks for the reply. :)
@y.y.7633
@y.y.7633 5 жыл бұрын
The thing confused me was the function h(t), now I know it acts as an indicator in this example, it has value of 0 or 1, indicating that whether we should integrate the value of f(t) in position t. In other examples, it may acts as a weight rather than an indicator, but they are the same kind of things.
@kenshinhimura8708
@kenshinhimura8708 5 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EXPLAINING THE CONCEPT. Now I feel like an idiot for not seeing that Tao was a right shift (negative) or left shift (positive) along the x axis with respect to the function acted on. Now to solve some DE convolution Tao problems!
@Thaneym
@Thaneym 10 жыл бұрын
At 7.40 when you do h(-tau+t) and shift h to the right are you assuming that t>0? What happens when t
@Ensign_Cthulhu
@Ensign_Cthulhu 11 жыл бұрын
I have seen the convolution integral as integral from zero to t and as limit from minus infinity to infinity of x(tau)h(t - tau). Why the difference, and which is correct under which circumstances?
@kdbwiz
@kdbwiz 3 жыл бұрын
Why is the integral of the product of functions just the area under the ‘exponential’ function? Is it because the other function is always equal to 1?
@area51xi
@area51xi 5 жыл бұрын
So in this example what would you get for tau=2? h(2-(3))=h(-1)=1?
@petere9383
@petere9383 4 жыл бұрын
You have to determine from early on who is moving and who is staying stationary (who being t or tau). That may clear things up for you here...?
@MexterO123
@MexterO123 9 жыл бұрын
Prof, why are you calculating just the area underneath the function x(tao) and not under h(t-tao) as well? Aren't you multiplying the two functions first before integrating?
@liamcarman6256
@liamcarman6256 9 жыл бұрын
I believe he assumed h(t - tau) to be equal to 1 on the entire domain to make the math easier. Since it is 1, the area is always just the area under x(tau)
@markmisin
@markmisin 8 жыл бұрын
Not necessarily! For example, if x(t=2)=2 and h(t=2)=3, then at t=2 their product is 6. The formula states that for every t, you have to multiply the areas of both functions. Since h(t-tau) = 1, it is correct. If it was something else, then both areas should be multiplied by each other.
@Backflipmarine
@Backflipmarine 7 жыл бұрын
I wish I had you as my prof
@enbardis
@enbardis 7 жыл бұрын
I thought I was stupid for not understanding all of this stuff in my signals class...turns out I have a horrible professor and textbook. thank you for finally making things clear. Colege would be sooo much easier if professors were actually good at teaching.
@enbardis
@enbardis 7 жыл бұрын
college
@Captain_Rhodes
@Captain_Rhodes 7 жыл бұрын
as far as im aware, there doesnt exist a single textbook on this subject that isnt totally useless.
@enbardis
@enbardis 7 жыл бұрын
Captain Rhodes You dont know the half of it! Our text book had sections where the formulas given as the "general formula" were not correct and the real formula has to be derived as one of the exercises. and the author decided to give us the answers to each problem, however, he only gave the answer to part of the problem and did not label which part it was the answer to.
@Captain_Rhodes
@Captain_Rhodes 7 жыл бұрын
thats pretty standard practise actually. and dont forget authors who change notation every 5 pages or dont even tell you what the notation means lol
@enbardis
@enbardis 7 жыл бұрын
Captain Rhodes Yup...most textbooks aren't made for human consumption lol
@mysteriouslymysteriousmyst9139
@mysteriouslymysteriousmyst9139 8 жыл бұрын
why you don't make videos for emf??
@DARCIOSILVESTRESABBADIN
@DARCIOSILVESTRESABBADIN 9 жыл бұрын
the convolution the better song of the cult
@MsAAKASH1991
@MsAAKASH1991 12 жыл бұрын
Sir please let me know how can we change the variable from t to tau ????
@jacobvandijk6525
@jacobvandijk6525 Жыл бұрын
0:44 But convolution (*) is not multiplication (.). Reading a problem well solves half the problem ;-) Of course, tau can be t-prime (t') as well.
@cakdian
@cakdian 11 жыл бұрын
Permit to download Thank you darryl
@lumo841
@lumo841 10 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't h(t - tau) simply be equal to one? Since we are just finding the area under the x(tau) part.
@petere9383
@petere9383 4 жыл бұрын
Why 1 though? h(t-tau) is flipping h at t.
@justadreamerforgood69
@justadreamerforgood69 4 жыл бұрын
@@petere9383 Ok, so basically τ is used as a consequence of 't' being used for the time shift
@justadreamerforgood69
@justadreamerforgood69 4 жыл бұрын
Ok, so basically τ is used as a consequence of 't' being used for the time shift
@DarrylMorrell
@DarrylMorrell 12 жыл бұрын
Sadly, no, I speak no Spanish. German?
@DGCAD
@DGCAD 12 жыл бұрын
Wow you speak german and spanish don't, i think german is pretty difficult, i only thing that i can understand is "du weiß nichts" , really you should try to post this videos in spanish, because i'm sure you would be a good help for a bunch of people... serías de mucha ayuda amigo!
@dipankerbaral3301
@dipankerbaral3301 5 жыл бұрын
and no indian can explain something like this
@jokered1133
@jokered1133 Жыл бұрын
Yo someone’s explaining signals in english for the first time?
@BDSaints7
@BDSaints7 6 жыл бұрын
haha well done, but I'm still confused.
@markobri4325
@markobri4325 12 жыл бұрын
Can you explain in Spanish, please. thanks
@absaralam347
@absaralam347 8 жыл бұрын
saddaam
@schrodingerbracat2927
@schrodingerbracat2927 2 жыл бұрын
actually tau is just a dummy variable. you can replace it with any other letter, and the result will still be the same.
@casper632
@casper632 Жыл бұрын
Language is confusing
@tc3sean
@tc3sean 7 жыл бұрын
fuck I hate this, still lost.
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