COP was a supersoaker

[@SimonClark]

To clarify something I mention in the video: I firmly believe that CCS is not the solution to reducing emissions from burning fossil fuels. We just need to stop burning them instead. However, as I have made videos about previously, I do think that CCS has a role to play in decarbonisation, specifically in sectors like cement that have unavoidable (at least for now) carbon emissions. But in this video I'm specifically talking about CCS in the context of burning fossil fuels for energy. I can highly recommend Climate Adam's recent video on this subject.

[@ericdanielski4802]

Until the use of fossil fuels is stopped, CO2 emissions must be reduced as a matter of urgency. Every technology is now needed for this, including CCS.

[@Solstice261]

​@@ericdanielski4802you are actively ignoring the fact that currently CCS is sadly used as an excuse to not reduce carbon emissions

[@natevanderw]

@@ericdanielski4802 CCS is not and will probably never be cheap enough (there is no profit incentive) to employ on a grand scale. It won't happen.

[@rahuldev2380]

Like trying to get healthy by doing more cardio when you are eating junk food all the time

[@kenjohnson6101]

Search Google for the following articles: "This Carbon Negative Cement Reduces Emissions and Costs Less Than Conventional" "Cement warms the planet. This green version just got a key nod of approval."

[@myrecreationalchannel7181]

In regards to your last point in the video, my view is that it is never too late to save at least a tiny bit, and every tiny bit is worth saving. And I recon we can save more than just one tiny bit, we can save a bunch of tiny bits. And that adds up to a lot. The time to give up is never, no matter what. Because every bit than can be saved is worth saving.

[@achenarmyst2156]

100%

[@AryaPDipa]

Definitely! Sure, change the expectation to the more "realistic one", but it doesn't mean we can slow down just because the bar was lowered. We all still have to keep pushing as if we're trying to get that 1.5 degree goal.

[@jimthain8777]

I agree, and that means even if we exceed 2 degrees, or 3 degrees, or more. There is no point at which we should give up, ever!

[@miguel5785]

Also do not underestimate the power of lifestyle change. We don't need so much bottled water, sodas, coffee, meat, car travel... We can save a lot of fresh water, materials and energy every day. That will also help bring about the collective action we are in dire need of, through market signals and through example of a different more sober and sensible way.

[@thecommentator9181]

Preach.

[@Solstice261]

I appreciate and I am deeply saddened by the fact that this year Simon has finally progressively lost his patience with fossil fuel companies and societies "actions" to control them

Fucking finally right?

[@ulti-mantis]

It seems like a great agreement... if it had happened in the 80s

[@Argosh]

I mean, we're pretty fucked. And regarding "better than expected": If they introduce that rating at the tour de france I'm gonna win next year...

[@jessicaandtrains7768]

Relax it's all in your head. Don't believe the lies.

[@L.CROSS0]

@@jessicaandtrains7768hope your little girl grows up to be smarter than you are, because people like you pretty much fucked up any future she could have.

[@Saucisse_Praxis]

So apparently, the next COP will be in Azerbaijan, another huge petrostate. I was wondering... How the process of selecting a host country for the next COP happens and how does it seems to be so easily taken over by the fossil cartels ? Because the so called geopolitical realism that plagues international diplomacy isn't really a valid reason in my opinion.

[@Argosh]

Pretty sure the answer is Money.

[@someguy2135]

And then Brazil, which is the top exporter of beef and accounts for 50% of the soy market. Seventy seven percent of soy is used for farm animal feed. How did they do it? By burning a huge amount of their rain forest. Beef has, by far, the highest negative impact on the climate. Animal agriculture is the leading cause of deforestation.

[@dr.zoidberg8666]

"Geopolitical realism" will always be the position of capitalists & statesmen -- the people who rule the world will never be the ones to advocate revolutionary change.

[@Lambda_Ovine]

I'm sure the answer is as sickeningly uncomplicated as to be that the host position is up for sale, and the petrostates just can afford it, just like everything else in this world, apparently

[@TheDanEdwards]

​@@Argosh That answer is always money.

[@Flummiification]

the metaphor at the beginning was pretty good

[@boathemian7694]

I have an uncle who is 95 years old, a retired senior executive for Mobil oil. I asked him about the state of climate change and opinion, he said nothing other than that I should join a Christian mens bible study group. His job in the late 1970’s was in environmental mitigation.

[@pavel9652]

Unique mixture of decades of religious indoctrination and more recent dementia. Interesting comment, though. Thanks for sharing!

[@normzemke7824]

At the end, Simon ended with “will it be too late in two years”. Depends who or what you are referring to. It may already be too late to save the coral reefs. Might be able to save the Amazon rainforests, but the Artic sea ice is in very bad shape. If the permafrost melts and belches out methane, we don’t have a chance. -- Here in lies the problem. Almost everyone only thinks about the survival of our way of life. BFD. If we keep our cell phones working, but nature collapses, what is the point? Do we really want to live in the hell-scape that we are creating?

[@Praisethesunson]

I don't live in your hellscape, and I will gladly make your hellscape hotter if it puts a few more pennies in my pocket. -Charles Koch

[@joelpearson2352]

The fact that it’s going forward means it’s not going backwards. That we’re not completely captured. So I find it still means there is hope… that we can do better.

[@SisterSunny]

this video was equal parts hilarious and enlightening. Thank you for your consistently top-tier videos

[@danielkjm]

In a Capitalist world, there will be no change towards the climate, as long as it is profitable to them, they will keep on doing it.

[@lagmonster7789]

House on fire you say? *Doggie slurps coffee* _This is fine.._

[@MichaelPace2.0]

That opening analogy was INSANE

[@pavel9652]

It is incorrect in my opinion. The house is shared. Producers are passing fuel to other tenants, and are taking about garden house that is somewhere in the shed. Tenants are doing work and causing fire by accident. Producers technically don't block anything, as the other governments could take more serious action, if they really wanted, but if is politically risky as it is expensive to the economy.

[@jbmurphy4]

There was an agreement made at COP to increase the amount of nuclear energy production. This may turn out to be important in the future even if it won’t have any big short term effect.

[@joaquimbarbosa896]

It will be crucial for a low carbon future

[@jimthain8777]

This is my own personal opinion. The fossil war is entering the end phase. The companies more than most people realize the game is up. The focus for them now, is squeezing that last penny out of the last drop they can bring up and sell as fast as possible. OPEC is somewhat resistant to this strategy, as they know they will be last to sell, and they want top dollar; so they are cutting production. So expect oil prices to be very fluid over the next 7 years, as these two strategies compete with each other.

[@Sythemn]

100%, they're doing everything they can to get every dime they can out of their established business and cronyism before it just isn't economical viable anymore. They couldn't give 2 craps about how much all the poor, not to mention billions of other lifeforms, are going to suffer as a result of dragging this out another year.

[@isaacperalvillaverde1986]

Unreal video thank you! It is so good to hear this as the media never goes into detail with the climate crisis and it is great to hear from the experts themselves

[@bitey-facepuppyguy2038]

2023 is truly part of an age without hope. Nothing ever seems to go right these days. Being a person who dreams of a better world is absolute torture in 2023.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Except videogames, but that is less “2023 is good” and more “the COVID pandemic has countered temporarily some bad working practices in videogames.”

[@Solstice261]

As sad as it is, it's true, I used to be one of the "fight for every degree" guys but this year I have fallen into complete cynicism and acceptance that the people who have the power will never do anything beyond putting money and people between them and a problem, It's hard to not give up hope in that context

[@Solstice261]

@@yvesgingras1475 while I partially agree with that statement, a lot of that consumption comes from us still working in a system that demands constant growth and those same companies promoting more consumption, regular people don't really have the blame because in mass they essentially lack free will, and as individuals they lack power, sure individual responsibility is great and all, and we should all try to do as much as we can but the main problem to tackle here is definitely fossil fuel companies

[@dmitryr9613]

Maybe I'm too young still, but it feels like a better world has never been more within reach .

[@xWood4000]

​@@dmitryr9613 I'm also pretty young, for me it feels like a utopian but realistic horizon is close but it's in reality a mirage that's not getting any closer

[@rajrouj]

Dubai isn’t a country strange to “Climate manipulation”. They have a law that states that when temperatures reach over 50 degrees Celsius, businesses are required by law to close down. Of course, government intervenes “meteorologically” and will always display temperatures of below 50

[@thomasgray4188]

the Conservatives just cancelled one of the most important parts of HS2 and started construction on the Most Expensive Road Ever built in the UK So much for climate friendly infrastructure.

[@Solstice261]

To be fair for the last couple of months Tories seem to have decided destroying the environment is their thing, and seeing their approval ratings it's going about as well as you'd expect, I will never understand why the UK doesn't have a way to make preemptive elections when the population decides a government is actively destroying the country

[@hikarikaguraenjoyer9918]

They are also selling off the land to make sure HS2 and never be revived by a future government, what a shit show

[@tweda4]

HS2 wasn't economic or climate friendly infrastructure. It was pointless boondoggle.

[@1.4142]

Some will say it's actually the aurora borealis inside your house.

[@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721]

The bright light and heat could be from anything! There's absolutely no science saying it was caused by the Molotov cocktail I threw at your house!

[@elariz8752]

Simon, do you get enough hugs in this line of work?

[@SimonClark]

Not nearly enough, though baby is helping up those numbers

[@camelopardalis84]

While watching this video, I had one of my saviour fantasies. Which oddly enough involved me getting a hug from Simon. Edit to add: This time, I mean. Normally, no hugs are involved.

[@elariz8752]

@@SimonClark I've loved your channel for a long time and when I showed you to my highschool biology teacher (back when I was in highschool) he started presenting your videos in class

[@beeheart6529]

I knew it was a bogus meeting the second I heard it was in the UAE.

[@achenarmyst2156]

Sufficient or insufficient: Everyone has to be on board to reach a global solution. You just cannot leave out the countries that mainly live of fossil fuel exports. This is a painful truth.

[@infinitedonuts]

Do you have a video on CCS?

[@johnnyokeeffe6577]

Thanks for making this!

[@immeremma]

Watching this video for the second time - so helpful for understanding what happened and very funny.

[@Optimistprime.]

We now have an oil executive as president of a climate summit. We are f*ucked.

[@jeremyvirin6532]

I have a question, they didn't say to phase down or out or transition away from UNABATED fossil fuel, they only used the terms unabated for coal and they didn't mention it when they spoke about fossil fuel, so, through my opinion, I don't think that it was a good COP for fossil fuel company

[@bjrkmn]

@simonclark can you do a video about CCS and the efficiency of such solutions? I am a civil engineer, and for people that isnt experts in the field, it's easy to jump to the conclusion that CCS is good

[@bobrandom5545]

CCS costs energy. Might not be a great idea to increase energy demand in a world where most energy comes from fossil, hehe. I looked it up and CCS costs around 300 kWh per tonne of CO2. One tonne of oil produces ~12 MWh and releases ~4 tonnes of CO2. So, for every tonne of CO2, we get ~3MWh of energy. Doesn't seem like a great idea to me when ~10% of all energy from fossil would have to be used to capture and process the CO2. EDIT now I think of it, the ~12MWh is all the energy released from burning one tonne of crude oil. So, we need to factor in that oil plants have an efficiency of ~40%, so it gets even more ridiculous.

[@thijndeveer2592]

Why doesn't the ipcc organise a cop28,5 where they just simply say: only climate scientists welcome. If you're part of the problem you can't be part of the solution. They make a document like the one you just discussed and that gets sent to the un

[@julianocabral1343]

We need urgent action, but I can only see that happening from the consumer end in a capitalist world. Producer countries will only stop producing if consumer countries stop consuming. Simple as that.

[@ProjectDarkWolf]

It is imperative that some countries consider, if they feel obliged to, possibly investigating the financial viability of implementing a cleaner* approach to burning fossil fuels so that they can continued to be burned indefinitely in a fair and just way that mitigates climate change impact and accounts for those most at risk according to the science. *subjectively

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Capture electricity where it is used with rooftop solar pv and a big battery in V2G EVs. Selfplug-in EVs is the killer feature. Most vehicles are parked 23hrs every day.

[@coopernik]

Well that’s one way to put it

[@simplethings3730]

Who decides where these things are held? "Industry dominates the economy, and more-diversified pursuits have supplemented the exploitation of oil, of which Azerbaijan was the world’s leading producer at the beginning of the 20th century." - Encyclopedia Britannica

[@youkofoxy]

If it was 20 years ago, it would be great. Now... now is too late for measured action, it is time for drastic measures.

[@jasenanderson8534]

Loved your analogy. It's utter madness how this plays out year on year, and it's now 200 years since Eunice Foote got the ball rolling. 200 YEARS! I'm not holding much hope for the next decade. The world is heading to a cliff and car is just having the brake only lightly applied.

[@arson4852]

essence of capitalism really

[@lindseylinck]

"By the time we get to Brazil, maybe, we will have enough ambition in the room to make a difference" Being brazilian myself, I have to state something obvious: don't expect that ambition to come from Brazil, where greenwhashing has being a state policy for longer than I'm alive (and still is). The main reason Brazil tends to pollute less the developed countries is because it's too inefficient/incompetent/corrupt to become a developed nation - what can be easily confirmed by the fact our main transport modal are trucks in roads (burning fossil fuels) and we got several active thermal power plants in our electric grid.

[@joaquimbarbosa896]

Why did you not mention the triple of nuclear energy by 2050 by 22 countries?

[@daraohogain]

Thanks a million, great evaluation, but do you think the commitment to tripling investment in renewables is something to celebrate and may make a truly significant change? I was also going to mention something about the powering past coal alliance, but realize now their mission statement is all about phase out of "unabated coal power" ;)

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

Unabated may not be as much of a loophole as it seems. CCS is so expensive that if you had a rule that banned coal power that didn't have CCS that would basically mean there would be no coal power because it would be cheaper to build renewables + storage.

[@ba45742]

I was genuinely excited when the headlines around COP28 rolled out earlier this week. Then I took the time to soak in the agreements themselves and... yeah this is far from enough of a change at this point with so much on the line. Change can happen, but wishy-washy rhetoric is the enemy of genuine positive change. A step in the right direction, but still endlessly frustrating.

[@johannesplanko5800]

Good morning, we have since 6 months average global temperatures already ARE 1.5 degree above this "pre industrial" temperature. 2 degrees are expected to happen in the 30ies and then it will accelerate further. It's basically over, if we don't immediately change our economic systems and lives. That won't happen, therefore it's a good thing humanity removes itself from existence. It's just unfit for survival.

[@peterwimsett3295]

Last month it was reported by WMO to average for year to 31 Oct +1.4C but Copernicus ERA5 has it spiking with +1.75C above (1850 to 1900) average for November. El Nino’s & peak of solar cycle cause atmospheric surges in temperatures. Most worrying is the extraordinary surge in energy imbalance detected from NASA’s Ceres satellite. We are in for a rough ride.

[@hollo0o583]

Stop fossils by 2030! And since a lot of coutries/companies/projects are gonna fail at it, tax the shit out of their CO2 emissions!

[@reactionscrolls]

0:06 - Jokes on You, I don't have a house 😅

[@Julian_Wang-pai]

Well said but very sobering, very sobering.

[@benedetti9000]

The Only solution: Tax oil, gas and carbon. And sanction any country who does not.

[@ppetal1]

I see more and more cars blocking pavements. Especially at "the school run."

[@michaelmeehan5505]

"net zero" just makes me LOL! We are doomed.

[@dominictarrsailing]

is there an official document that defines what "calls upon" means?

[@SciHeartJourney]

It's like Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez, John Wayne Gacy, Jeffery Dahmer all got together and came up with ideas to stop serial killers. Jason Vorhees was their special guest speaker, but he didn't say very much. 🤦

[@hinenik]

Cheering of sadness for the incoming decades, yeeey

[@ordan787]

Thanks!

[@mauritsbol4806]

Power baby!

[@tsaageotrimm]

COP28 was a joke

[@iantaakalla8180]

Fitting that it abbreviates to COP. It really tells you how well any meeting will be.

[@Luwuluf]

Say we magically stopped using fossil fuels and emitting carbon next year, could we then extract carbon from the atmosphere and actually get our weather systems somewhat back to normal? Very theoretical of course, but I was just curious..

[@stun3282]

Yes and no. Yes, we have technology to do so. No, it’s not very effective. The good news is there’s a lot of ways to remove carbon from the air, and the ocean too which is even better, but that technology is in its infancy and will take a long time to develop to a point of where it’s effective. If we can actually make real progress, which we’re on the verge of seeing the peak of global emissions and we’ve already seen the peak of deforestation worldwide, and we can start bringing down our projected rise in temperature then hopefully we’ll have enough time to develop the technology and then deploy technology to remove carbon from the environment and the ocean.

[@critiqueofthegothgf]

too cowardly to even use the words "phase out". not as if I had any hope about COP anyways, oh well

[@Thytos]

I'm wondering if instead of talking about what those decisions mean for the global temperature we should start talking about how many lives will be lost over it. This might make more people understand the impact of those decisions

[@freethoth]

They all burned a lot of fossil fuel just getting there.

[@kimwelch4652]

Can we limit warming to 1.5 degrees? We could have, but we refused to. Can we limit warming to 2.0 degrees. We could, but we won't. Can we limit warming to 3.0 degrees? Are you not paying attention?

[@Praisethesunson]

Keep on polluting 28 was a rounding success. Our corporate overlords got exactly what they wanted.

[@gorgonbert]

Pablo Escobar hosting a drug prevention workshop 👍

[@julesmarchand2765]

How can those individuals not fear for their lives when the consequences of climate change, attributed to the lack and withholding of legislation, have resulted in the deaths of millions? Despite the widespread documentation and the ease of connecting the dots, it only takes one climate change advocate with the idea to "remove them from the equation," justified by the lives lost due to the actions and decisions of a finite group. Isn't it inevitable that there will be repercussions? Aren't those advocating for fossil fuels aware that violence might be imminent, with a significant price on their heads? Why is there a lack of discourse on this? I don't intend to incite or be the cause of such demonstrations or revolutions, but surely I can't be the only one foreseeing this potential outcome.

[@Solstice261]

Why do you think so many countries have started cracking down on increasingly aggressive climate advocate rallies and groups, they are definitely afraid of getting to a point where some groups start considering radical violent actions

[@Oscar-rq8zr]

It might be necessary for more extreme groups carry out sabotage of fossil fuel infrastructure to force some concessions. Similar to the Black Panthers and the civil rights movement.

[@merrymachiavelli2041]

So what you're saying is, why aren't heads of state / senior diplomats more worried about terrorism? Most senior figures are already potential targets for half a dozen groups with grievances. There is nothing particularly novel or threatening about extremist climate change activism.

[@AnymMusic]

why do they not fear? why should they care lol. millions have died? Okay but what about their economy, their money, and their income. Oil countries and any country that so much as agrees with them does not give a single iota of a damn about any of this, only money

[@camelopardalis84]

Such people are never afraid. People are used to getting away with things when it comes to a lot of horrible things they do.

[@JohnFGrant]

Recently published an article looking at an innovative way of capturing and storing (short term) CO2 - the underpinning argument is that we are now at a point where simply transitioning is NOT enough. The carbon produced in producing materials for the transition (until the new techniques make the transition low/zero carbon) will probably tip us into a worse case scenario of ecological collapse due to climate change. If you are interested the paper is to be published in the new year (after peer review) but fundamentally looks at using the extreme low temperatures and immense space available in Antarctica to capture carbon at a cost of around $3/tonne - final storage of the facility is around 100 billion tonnes which is what I "feel" (not very scientific I know) will be the emissions associated with a global transition to a zero carbon future post 2035. If CCS is used to support a "business as usual" strategy then I think the technical term is we're f@cked .

[@evane8155]

How hard is it to just not invite oil tycoons to the house party. Just don’t tell them that we’re throwing a rager.

[@Sythemn]

Maybe we should invite them to a wedding, perhaps of the red variety.

[@martincrotty]

Thanks for the great video. I do worry that to really take this issue seriously, those in charge would have to truly see that the actual real world exists outside of the little human centric bubble our species imagined around itself where it's all about our imagined economies and the "diplomacy" between large squabbling and often self serving bureaucratic states often controlled by an elite political class who's interests are prioritised above all. We're a species born of this ancient planet that could grow and advance due to conditions of the last few thousand years that were perfect for agriculture and then centralised cities and states to blossom, but often times you find people who have a naive belief that the planet was simply made for humans and it's only because we're so great, magnificent and in the centre of everything that we got to this point. We need the humbling acceptance of understanding that intelligent life (while incredible) isn't the norm, and is very possibly far too vulnerable to self annihilation if it ever arises in the cosmos due to being very capable of advancing far too fast for its own good, leading to it wiping itself out with nukes only a short few generations after using swords and shields, or causing huge environmental havoc before it can even comprehend what the true costs are.

[@sparkybob1023]

So . What about trains!?

[@faarsight]

There's no way we'll stop it at 2 degrees warming lol

[@glennt1962]

Look at the big picture if the earth exploded it would not make any difference to the universe in fact it may be better off before we start spreading to other planets.

[@ГеоргиГеоргиев-с3г]

CC is a solution, you just need abundant power, as in enough excess power to not need to burn fossil fuels, and if you don't have excess power you are producing more carbon powering the CC plant with fossil fuels than the amount captured.

[@jangabrielluus2320]

Let's be realistic. Seeing the way that things are going at the moment, do you really think we'll be able to pull it off? Do you think that the world can unite and try to make the inevitable major impact of this Climate Catastrophe as soft of an impact as possible despite everything working against us?

[@miguel5785]

The probability for a soft landing seems to be shrinking fast, I have to admit. But there's always something we will be able to do at any point. Just as "every year we delay meaningful action, we lose 5 million lives", every action we take saves a few.

[@danielkjm]

Nope, because in our capitalist world all that matters is money, and they rather starve then to lose money on the short term

[@nikobellic570]

Tldr: We're fucked

[@JohnSlack89]

If CCS technologies advance to the point where it is actually economical to capture the emissions, is that not actually a solution? There have been an explosion of new point source companies and technologies that are much more energy efficient and (therefore) cost effective. If they actually are capturing the emissions, isn't that actually a win for real?

[@timothyclemson]

Great analogy 😂

[@petsgamesandrobots438]

heh... we're f*cked

[@PolygonSwan]

Solved it! Tidal and Nuclear power ( UK ) FM I'm a genius!

[@opossumboyo]

Given the status of the U.S. election and what they are focusing on, I wouldn’t rely on them to do anything to drive a response to the climate crisis, or to even support a climate-conscious international movement.

[@General12th]

How do you feel about the IRA?

[@opossumboyo]

@@General12th The Irish Republican Army? I can’t give an accurate sentiment on them because I have essentially no knowledge on what they actually did. I do believe in the radical flank effect, and i’d say that organizations like the IRA would support those efforts. Whether or not they went “too far” or have a righteous cause, I can’t say without research.

[@General12th]

@@opossumboyo No, the Inflation Reduction Act. It's the US's biggest response to the climate crisis and the strongest support for the climate-conscious international movement so far. Something something Grice's maxims.

[@opossumboyo]

@@General12th Yikes, my bad. Shows where my head is. I had a big comment prepared but ill expedite it by saying that I believe the IRA is foremost an economic stimulus bill that provides industry with a way to keep costs low while dealing with environmental regulations. It recognizes that we are forcing industry to pay a fair(er) price for resources that accounts for (some of) the biophysical limits of the world. However, it then comes to what I believe the incorrect solution; that we need to just pay the industries back the money they’d lose to keep the economy going. Biden’s office recognizes the environmental risks coming our way, and are trying to do something to resolve them, while simultaneously keeping the economy running, while simultaneously keeping U.S. industry going. These three things don’t work together. When one stakeholder has to give in, it’ll always be the one with consequences farthest in the future; right now, that is the biosphere. You can bet that when the bill comes back higher than what we have to pay right now, we won’t get more money. We’ll just say we did our best and then keep going. To be fair, we might not even get an administration that cares about this sort of thing next year, so it might not have mattered regardless. I’m very pessimistic about the IRA because I believe it does not address the actual root of the problem, which is ecological overshoot, and instead claims that we can solve the issue by just putting more money into certain technologies that improve economic futures more than environmental ones. Degrowth is one of the only paths I see that could potentially result in us reaching any of the vital climate goals we need to make in order to avoid deadly tipping points. This bill doesn’t do that.

[@teddybruscie]

This is why I call it, CAP 28.

[@jiun88]

the collapse subreddit calls it COPE 28 which is equally fitting

[@rhonin255]

Boy, I can't wait for Simon to radicalize instead of explaining the difference between the wording of "requests, calls upon and ugres"...

[@Rnankn]

So climate change has accumulated financial ‘costs’ in the form of loses from the vast quantity of wealth that is taken from nature at no cost, and without accounting for the harm of ‘gains’. And climate change causes a ‘loss’ of lives, despite being directly caused by over-population. Deaths from pollution are ‘pre-mature’ compared to the goal of expanding the population and extending lives to the limit of survivability. When we think about the climate as a conceptually separate system from the economic system, and human population as functionally distinct from ecology, we reproduce the distorted perception of reality that led us to us to alter the carbon cycle, and shift the climate. The causality occurs in both directions, but the primary driver is demographics and economic structure, yet the fixation is still on the climate and its impacts. The same is true for currencies. They are not an objective measure of value, but a derivative of natural systems. A dollar on a dead planet has less value, because yes, climate change is inflationary. So money cannot independently compensate for climate damage without worsening it. And we cannot speak of progress until something actually changes. Everything that was done to cause the problem is unchanged. Adding renewable energy does not lower emissions. Reducing energy use, by reducing economic activity, by passing laws restructuring and eliminating finance and industry, transportation and agriculture will lower emissions. We will know progress when it arrives, because it will hurt, be expensive, and there will be no choice.

[@RobbertvanHaaften]

we should focus on ENDING FACTORY FARMS. and transition to a plantbased food system

[@erinomani9105]

What about cow farts?

[@dropyourself]

What?

[@erinomani9105]

They will set the world on fire they say. Methane is way worse than CO2. Also water vapor is a greenhouse gas they say. Even greening the sahara is problematic they say.

[@nnglnd]

Has overpopulation got anything to do with it?

[@mikespark72]

Its already too late. We are pretty much doomed

[@Solstice261]

Every degree matters but I don't expect anyone to do anything, but 2 is better than three which is better than four etc. Any action is better than no action and giving up completely is only good for those CEO who probably already have an escape plan, still, yeah we are definitely going to suffer from this point onwards, we are now going to decide how much, and as things are going the answer is a lot, so go to rallies and force at the very least your local governments to take this seriously

[@generalnawaki]

2050 is not soon enough, its not nearly so. the problem is becoming worse each year in an escalating way.

[@FNLNFNLN]

Where's the enforcement mechanism with actual consequences? There aren't any? Well you could have produced cheaper better toilet paper if you didn't print all that legalese on it.

[@henryluk59]

is climate change real?

[@hybridepigenes]

Thank you. It'll be too late. It is already too late. Predictions of those who understand this process and the shitfuckery that goes on agree we will have at least 3 degrees. This will make many places on the planet uninhabitable. Billions are going to die. We can hope but since when did hope impede the mighty path of capital.

[@Dantyx1]

What a bunch of fossils keeping us addicted to fossils

[@krasky]

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[@Mac-j5y]

For the algorithm

[@alexgee3111]

cop was disgusting

[@martiansoon9092]

It is too late for 2C. Read what Hansen et al. wrotes in warming in the pipeline paper. We are at 2,55C when forcings are added, mainly due to SO2 aerosol and cloud dimming effects. Same can be achieved from current 1,43C temperature with Copernicus (10 months, 2023) and adding IPCC's aerosol estimate 0,6C. You get over 2C warming for this year. But yea, IPCC one is just for one year... And even if we do "net zero" by 2050, we will add more ghg's to the skies. We are currently heading toward 3-5C warming. Perhaps few tenths of degree can be drawn out from atmosphere, but that's it. We need more negative emissions. And way faster shutdown of fossil burning. Oh and recent studies shows, that at 2C sea level will rise 12-20 meters by 2300. (State of cryosphere 2023.) 10-20 meters prediction can be found from IPCC/WMO, but timescale is longer.

[@jessicaandtrains7768]

And the person seeing the fire is completely delusional. Hope this nonsense ends soon.

[@chesterfinecat7588]

Leave me out of your "we." Had we lived like me you wouldn't be in this pickle. Ask your Chamber of Commerce, Board of Realtors, affiliated bankers, attorneys and wealthy maniacs of every stripe to perhaps accept a little less growth and economic vitality and not buy another house, car, aircraft, yacht, swimming pool, equestrian center, liposuction procedure and every other self-aggrandizing item before attending the next COP.

[@BobSmith-ew5oi]

Be really shortsighted to decommission the only reliable water supply in town before have a replacement and be a life threatening decision.Same deal with premature closing of use of fossil fuels is going to cost lives.People that freeze in a blizzard when battery pack goes flat and trapped in car without even a way to open door is dangerous.And a woman forced to charge in some dark place at midnight because run out of charge to dangerous to sanction.

[@carlograncini]

Thanks for the thoughts. I think blaming petrostates and oil companies who peddle their stuff is meaningless. It's us who are addicted to cheap and easy energy. Whenever some government tries to change the direction it gets a small revolution or loses the elections. It's us, not them. We like to tour the world on holiday, to have 25 °C inside in winter and 20 °C during the summer, to use hot water at will, etc.

[@matthewpappalardo1393]

Thanks for all your work. remember to remind the first world: #eatlessforearth

[@bgiv2010]

Psst...the molotov cocktail in the analogy was capitalism