Cordona PQ8 Quick Shifter Test on the 2019 ZX6R

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We take the Cordona PQ8 quick shifter to the track for testing. Got to find the correct kill time and actuator pressure for Dave's shifting style.
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[@SoleDreamzAndLexoticj]

These are some great videos I definitely will subscribe.

[@raydolinger1980]

quickshifters.... great now I have something else to buy :) Thanks a lot

[@catalystreactionsbw]

....... and that's just the start of the Christmas list no doubt :)

[@thebagdersarse5824]

Why do I always think of the telly tubbies when I see someone with a camera on their head. lol. I have the Cordona on a 2013 10R with the WRT software with tuneable KT's in each gear and throughout the rev range, from memory.. I think in some places I have it down to .45 with the pressure set at 11 or 12. Just one thing.. I don't mean to tell ya falher how to suck eggs... but I would put a little zippy on the sensor wire to the rod for extra support, so if it snaps overtime you will have something to be able to rejoin the two ends back together with as it may snap off right as it go'es into the sensor.

[@quniok]

I went with healtech qs on my carbbed zx6r, all changes are made via phone app so no need for physical access to the unit, kill times can be changed in specific rev ranges, if there was a possibility to adjust for individual gears as well it would be perfect but still I rate it as very good. The sensor is a ring type and very small one, fits on stock shift rod no problems. It's possible to adjust sensitivity as well as kill delay time. The unit can be transferred between bikes, only the harness is bike specific. Looking forward to your review of healtech. God bless!

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Great to be able to use the bluetooth option to your phone!

[@quniok]

@@catalystreactionsbw Yes, it's very convenient this, and it connects easily with no glitches etc. The app is great, it even has a set up wizard which walks you through initial setup, like sensor threshold etc.

[@FastRu-kl7iy]

Healtech is worst ever QS

[@matimeoq]

@@FastRu-kl7iy why the healtech is the worst qs?

[@FastRu-kl7iy]

@@matimeoq because it uses poor sensors. Lot of mis-shifts and malfunctions

[@Jahmed163]

Dave, when u say “precise” with your shifting at 50 mili second setting, do you mean by having it in the right rev range or quicker foot action?

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Good question: quicker foot action is the reference.

[@maxzorin9478]

Dave, if there is a big jump (don’t know how else to describe it) when shifting, would you say the delay time is too long or too short? Thanks.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Delay time may be too long, the chain is too loose or the rubber bushings in the rear wheel are wearing out.

[@kaliberr44]

Cordona advertise there adaptive kill times based on engine acceleration, load and RPM. But it has no input from speed sensor or gear position sensor to truly know the current gear. Does setting a good kill time for one gear (e.g. 2 to 3) causes other gears to have worse upshift (e.g 5 to 6)? Because for this pricey QS I think that gear dependent kill times are missing. What is your felling about it?

[@darnhard]

i use the cordon\ woolich system to adjust my kill times it allows for different time for each gear if necessary

[@maxtrap1947]

Thanks Dave. Are you having to clutch the double down shifts? Trying to decide between OEM, IRC, Cordona for new RS660 race bike.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

I space out my downshifts and if I do need to double down I hold the clutch in to reduce time spent in the process. Defeats the purpose of course of an up/down quick shifter but it saves a huge amount of "waiting" for the electronics to do their thing.

[@rohanbramble1046]

I have a question, in your last video when you install the qs and set the kilo pressure, I realized that the pressure unit was saying ( E.1 ) which means error 1 how did you rectify the problem? I'm trying to help a friend. Thanks in advance

[@catalystreactionsbw]

The error was rectified by going back to factory default and starting again after disconnecting the battery.

[@rohanbramble1046]

@@catalystreactionsbw ok I'll try, if I don't succeed I will just contacted cordona, thanks again I appreciate your reply and hard work 💪

[@msharvin8985]

Hi Dave, I had installed rear sets with GP shift with cordona shifter and now when it shifting it become hard, it was smooth when I had normal shift with QS. What do you think I should do?

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Sounds like duration is too small and sensitivity needs to be reduced.

[@saulocirineuaraujo751]

Shifting is inverted? Up on pedal shifts down and down on pedal shifts ups?

[@catalystreactionsbw]

For track and racing, it is much safer.

[@TheMetalmechanic]

Dave, off topic here, Sometimes my bike doesnt engage next gear on the upshift, Quickshift 5th and 6th. 2017 ZX 10 RR, It did it stock, did it with graves rearsets, did it after xmsn recall. I have made many adjustments to shift lever angle, tight chain , loose chain, Any suggestions ?

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Just one gear is very unusual, 2-3 is the norm pointing at worn shift forks/dogs. Have not had a late ZX10R issue like this and need to look at the fiche to see if there is a star gear that could have one tooth worn etc. Very odd indeed.

[@TheMetalmechanic]

@@catalystreactionsbw It doesnt always do it.. But like u mentioned in this vid,, it works most of the time if i am giving more much focus on how/when i am shifting,, but then im not focused on riding. Speaking with 2 wheel dyn, he also mentioned star gear mod. Could not find any info. It doesnt always happen. It happens unexspectedly. My last ride i noticed my clutch cable friction was too tight. Clutch was slipping..Maybe it will improve now.

[@TheMetalmechanic]

@@catalystreactionsbw Replying to my comment.. After a little more testing,, I tried cutting back throttle just a fraction , then shifting.. Just as you would do powershifting without quickshift on the bike.. It works perfect. It makes sense to do so, but this not how the owners manual explains how to use it..

[@GR8WHITEC5]

Excellent video. Do you suppose your QS "kill times" could be transferred to Woolich Racing? I am having a difficult time dialing in the ms "Kill Times." Do you recommend a QS "Preload" time? If yes, how many ms? If no, doesn't that leave 100% kill time depwndent on the reaction of your foot?

[@straieraswift5785]

How old is this dude. He makes me want to keep my sport bike longer. 😎😎

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Old enough to let 20 year olds know they have a lot to learn on track :)

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Thank you!

[@lipcsaiify]

What ifbu set the killtime too low? Like 50 or 40? What will happen?

[@innopriest]

Late but... If you set it too low it will be a rough shift. Uncomfortable to jarring.

[@FRJohnny777]

hey dave with this mod are you able to incorporate clutchless downshifts as well?

[@catalystreactionsbw]

With the Cordona I can do both directions. I just cannot bring myself to downshift without a clutch after decades of 'normal' downshifting.

[@dbtrackz33]

@@catalystreactionsbw why would you want to kill the ignition on downshifts without an auto blipper? Otherwise why not just downshift without cutting ignition. ZX6R doesn't have primary throttle drive by wire so it's not easily adaptable to a proper blipper on downshifts.

[@martinskamla6789]

dbtrackz33 exactly what I was about to say it makes no sense

[@usafvet6766]

Are the transmissions, and Gears made for Quick shifting ? When they don't come from the Factory. !??

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Gear boxes are made for longevity as a general rule of thumb. If you want more precise shifting, gears can be undercut and shims replaced for precision shifting.

[@usafvet6766]

@@catalystreactionsbw Thank you Sir : I really enjoy your videos they are more informative than any others that I know of. If you really want to set your machine up to your style that fits you. ! 👍👍🇺🇸

[@pylot_Biker]

I have gear slipping issues, when going a little bit more gas than holding the speed and beeing at low rpm’s (between 5-7k rpm) gear slipped 2times today, and today was the first day of riding with the PQ8. I have the sensor pressure on 11kilograms and killtime on 63ms (for road usage) The bike is an GSXR 750 K4 Maybe you can help me out, kind regards

[@catalystreactionsbw]

I would ask you to keep your foot on the peg, shift, then put the foot back. If there is no slip issues, your foot is preloading the shifter.

[@pylot_Biker]

@@catalystreactionsbw I Am already putting my foot back and forth :)

[@catalystreactionsbw]

@@pylot_Biker then a lazy foot is out applying pressure. Next is ergonomics to see if your shifter is at the right height. If you lift the shifter up to full height, your ankle angle must be more than 90 degrees.

[@straieraswift5785]

Question. Did the other riders have quick shifters. Cause this is too much to think about.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Setting a quick shifter once is all that is needed unless you are injured or recovering from an injury. A little time to get the tool working properly is time well spent.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Many do have them and just bolt them on and call it good.

[@Sayantan00753]

Your a great pleasure please be safe during this pandemic 🍫🍫

[@beholderlt]

nice trailer again?

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Dave Williams, editor, replying here. I'm a grandfather now, so I get confused easily. Can you rephrase your question? I'm not sure what you're asking.

[@HectorVillanueva81]

What riding boot are you wearing?

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Sidi MAG 1

[@joelfigueredo4324]

Is the qs up and down?

[@catalystreactionsbw]

With the Cordona system in the video was upshift only for the QS.

[@joelfigueredo4324]

@@catalystreactionsbw tell me, why chance the original qs for the cordona?

[@catalystreactionsbw]

@@joelfigueredo4324 This was the unit that I was given for testing.

[@worldhello1234]

@13:25 ... or you hit the ground "sharply". ;) I rather have a tool working my way instead of vice versa, so I can focus on what really matters. If it takes more effort to "work" the quickshifter than the clutch, it IMHO defeats the purpose. :)

[@llerradish]

Interesting, but it's just something else to worry about and something else to malfunction.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

True but for those of us that race, it is needed for quicker lap times.

[@stopii7836]

What do you think about healtec easy qs? Is it worth it?

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Given the price point and clutchless upshifts only plus simple installation, it offer good value as you can change settings on your phone - huge plus on that feature.

[@stopii7836]

Thanks for answering! Love your videos :)

[@wtfusrnameisntusd]

Translogic.

[@FastRu-kl7iy]

You are right. Way betterchoise

[@GiacintoMarcellino]

​@@FastRu-kl7iywhy?

[@bikersoncall]

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