The Rise and Fall of Heroes (Part Two)

[@CoreIdeas]

Hey everyone! Thanks again for all your patience. As I said in the credits, I'm now doing KZbin full time! This is incredibly scary but I'm willing to take the risk. Please consider supporting my venture on Paypal or Patreon. Paypal: Paypal.me/CoreIdeas Patreon: Patreon.com/CoreIdeas (As a heads up, this will not be my only source of revenue. I appreciate any concerns about this decision, though.) Also, please check out Salvatore's work as he did an amazing job with the Adam Monroe drawings. Portfolio: www.artstation.com/saltabbi13 Facebook: facebook.com/salvatore.tabbi.art/ Instagram: @salvatore_tabbi_art Twitter: @Silver_Savior

[@Languagevlogs]

Core Ideas congrats and good luck! By the way, what program do you use to create your videos?

[@CoreIdeas]

@@Languagevlogs Thank you! I use Adobe Premiere CC for general editing, After Effects for VFX and Audacity to record audio.

[@CoreIdeas]

@@phatmantv Thank you very much! Means a lot.

[@grahamwalker2168]

Good luck progressing the channel- you always come with a great take on things and I look forward to see how your channel changes the way I think about things in the future.

[@CoreIdeas]

@@grahamwalker2168 Thank you! I hope this doesn't crash and burn, haha.

[@ATMyles]

I enjoyed these ‘Heroes’ videos. It’s a shame you never got around to part 3 (or more).

[@IvanMercadoLorberg]

Awaiting season 3... 😢

[@BonzaiBomber]

Maguffin blood aside, the Adam Monroe character was what made season 2 for me. In season 1, Sylar was built up as the ultimate bad guy that only Peter could go toe to toe with. In season 2, they brought in the nemeses for Hiro. What is the perfect foil for a time traveler? An immortal! To me that was pure genious. No matter what time Hiro travels to, Adam will be waiting for him. Plus the actor manages to do a fabulous job making him charming and almost sympathetic. There is a great chemestry between him and Hiro when they are on screen together. He was the best part of the season. Monica was entertaining, but Adam was brilliant!

[@avajohnson6992]

BonzaiBomber I really like that actor. He’s very good at playing the sympathetic villain. He did it in Vampire Diaries and iZombie as well.

[@sayitsayuri8951]

@@avajohnson6992 He also was semi immortal in those two as well XD

[@horrorvictim]

I can't believe how much of "Heroes" I just don't remember, it really was just the first season that hit the mark.

[@CoreIdeas]

It becomes easily forgettable after Season 1, sadly.

[@vinnyc.1265]

Not really. The finale of the first season sucked. They we're building up to this huge battle and it sucked

[@Daemon1995_]

you cant forget future pet and time travel hiro and the whole bunch of shit they added later lmao trust me

[@jim405]

Season 1: Great Season 2: Interesting ideas bogged down by an overarching story. Season 3: Remnant ideas from the previous season told over the course of over 20 episodes. Season 4: T-bag from Prison Break vs Peter… the Earth trembles. …Heroes Reborn 🤦🏼‍♂️ nothing makes sense

[@GmrGod10000]

@@CoreIdeas 👀 m

[@shanejames13]

Let's not forget that awful plot with Matt's dad. Remember the teaser of Molly being afraid of someone worse than Sylar at the end of season 1 and THAT'S who we got? Such a let down.

[@CoreIdeas]

Oh yeah, definitely! I feel like I didn't go as in depth as I would have liked on this one, so I'll have to do so in part three.

[@sobr4986]

The odd thing is, they had a chance to rectify this one in season 3 with the stupid Arthur Petrelli stuff. (Sidenote: shocker, yet another not-actually-dead-when-killed-off character) Maury is working with Arthur, yet I don't think Arthur chasing/posing a threat to Molly is even brought up, let alone one of the major plots of the season that it probably should have logically been. Had they made Arthur obsessed with Molly, then Maury could have spent good time threatening her and have that Season 1 tease truly pay off That said, the fact that Maury can not only communicate back, but even affect her when she uses her power to locate him ...well, that is probably the most terrifying thing she ever experienced, regardless if it was ever paid off more. Because of that, her Season 1 statement about Maury does still hold very accurate as far as what a child would think - just quite disappointing

[@josuebartley7272]

Is the 'to be continued' at the end a reference to how heroes ended the same way to never be continued? I respect that

[@adyy78]

Ah,i see, so that's the reason why there is no part three

[@Lance37a]

The writers fell too much in love with the Characters/actors they created.

[@CoreIdeas]

Exactly! They forgot the crucial lesson: "Don't be afraid to kill your babies."

[@bostonbarger5373]

So glad Raycevick shouted out this channel! Keep up the good work!

[@CoreIdeas]

Thank you! I'm glad he did as well.

[@Raycevick]

Me too.

[@gregsgambati31]

Normally when I hear a youtuber suggest an edit or story idea I instinctively roll my eyes because it's awful. But having Adam be disfigured is a super solid idea and honestly it sounds like they could have used you in the room when plotting the season. Good writing guy

[@CoreIdeas]

I'm normally hesitant to suggest story ideas, to be honest. It's far easier to see how a story could have been better than to make one up. Yet I felt this change was needed and I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[@gregsgambati31]

@@CoreIdeas True, hindsight is an amazing tool for 'fixing' storytelling, and we have like 12 years of hindsight on this. However I do feel like for years I've felt this season felt hella funky, as much as I enjoyed the Takezo Kensei thread. I feel like most of your suggestions lean towards an understanding of story that would have fit right in with writing this show. Maybe coming up with the initial idea isn't where you're at right now, but like, someone supposedly named Homer came up with the idea for Odysseus and oral tradition lead to a bunch of people adding episodes to the series run. All I'm saying is, you're inspiring me to write spec scripts for shows I spend way too much time thinking about and hopefully develop my own storytelling abilities.

[@DejiAdegbite]

@@CoreIdeas True.

[@Rock-my2ko]

Greg Sgambati kinda reminds me of “The Ables” the book by the cinemasins guy

[@usakrana8871]

Wow imagine how great season 2 would have been if they did that whole pandemic thing especially now post covid. Really hope you make more of these

[@Yoseqlo1]

Exatly what I was thinking. Could have been so ahead of its time.

[@fadelessdreamer]

When you're watching it in 2020 and the reality of 5:35 hits you.

[@evandrolima1724]

Everybody forgot about Peter's girlfriend? She was stuck on the future, in the virus timeline. Peter left her there.

[@CoreIdeas]

Yup! I'll be going into all the dropped storylines and characters in part three.

[@Bankai2169]

Where’s that

[@chrisosorio2905]

@@CoreIdeas yeah one year later and no part 3 or even now heroes reborn....man this is worse then not having any more heroes at all....

[@sayitsayuri8951]

The blind trust Peter had for Adam seriously killed season two for me. I absolutely loved the concept of Adam as a villian, but he only got as far as he did by manipulating Peter in a way that would have crumbled the moment Hiro showed up. Like in season 1 when Peter reads Nathan's mind because Claire was expressing doubts. The death of the doctor and Hiro showing up would have been enough for Peter to doubt Adam. If they really wanted to get him to that point they'd have to give us a lot more of Adam and Peter's jail time. Have Adam and Peter banter in prison, Peter likes Adam but he doesn't trust himself out in the real world so he's not convinced they should escape, over time though he starts to doubt the possibility of a cure through Adam's mini comments, but what really flips the switch is when Elle lay's out her life of basically being trapped there.

[@Tysard]

I recently started rewatching Heroes and man it would be cool to see some of these characters show up in The Boys. I missed them over all these years. Lost will always be my first love but despite its flaws, I love Heroes too and wish they didn't do it dirty like they did.

[@Seogumichan]

OMG I would love to see the third part of these videos. I enjoy your opinions and point of view.

[@kyalbrownart]

And now to watch this 20 times while I wait for part 3. Great stuff, keep it up! And good luck with YT full-time.

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

6 months later and still waiting.

[@UncagedCrayon]

@@giovannigiovanni.7220 Same

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

@@UncagedCrayon Yep

[@Tharsos2099]

this Vid was done for no other reason than to crap on a show that pissed him off. it went on for 2 more seasons, and a Mini-series. its been 9 months, he's not doing a part 3

[@DrLynch2009]

@@Tharsos2099 Are you a moron?

[@dinohardbody]

Great video. I remember absolutely loving the first season and diving headfirst into all the hype. Season two was when I learned it only takes 4 bad episodes to tune out completely. Looking forward to part three. Best of luck going going full time.

[@CoreIdeas]

It is insane how quickly one can drop a show if it's not doing anything for them. Thank you!

[@entwistling]

The timing of this video...My best friend and I (who met through our mutual interest in Heroes way back in 2007) just started rewatching the show together. It still amazes me how GOOD the majority of season one was. Even some of the filler was a lot of fun, like Hiro’s casino storyline, because it got to show off the powers and how the characters were exploring them. But we find ourselves remembering some of the ridiculous shit that happens in later seasons and going "did that actually happen?" It really is a shame what happened to this show, and it’s a shame that they couldn’t let characters go more easily. I loved the season one characters, but I think letting them go as initially planned would have been the saving grace of the show.

[@CoreIdeas]

Season 3, IMO, is where the show starts going absolutely bat-shit insane. At least the Villains arc; the Fugitives arc is actually fairly solid for a good portion until it starts getting dumb again.

[@entwistling]

@@CoreIdeas Based on what I remember, I agree. Everything that makes us scratch our heads seems to be from season three. We’re rewatching season two now and it’s genuinely not awful. It’s poorly paced, like you mentioned, but there’s some good ideas there and it manages to keep itself mostly on the rails. I would have loved to see that original ending play out. Introducing the blood transfusion thing was a horrible misstep, though.

[@caldw615]

I'm glad I stumbled across these videos after I introduced this show to my GF and we're about to start Season 3. One thing we found very frustrating in Season 2 was how out of character Peter acted. Peter in Season 1 was genuinely someone who's heart was in the right place and wanted to do what he could to help others, but he wasn't stupid. Season 2 Peter after he regains his memories is just needlessly stupid with regards to him ignoring that he can read minds. He spends the last few episodes having multiple characters, both newly met and old ones he already knows, approach him and tell him Adam is lying and planning a pandemic, yet he never once thinks to try reading Adam's mind to check if everything is in order. Season 1 Peter would have been cautious enough to head other people's warnings and maybe check, not wait until after he has Hiro attempt to timestop kill Adam, after he has a telepathic mind battle with Matt (the important power here) AND have his brother tell him also that Adam is lying. Like I get that Peter is maybe trying to be respectful to Adam since he trusted him but when this many warning signs are approaching him and he never even tries to listen it just gets infuriating and makes anyone who liked him before despise him near the end. I do like your non-aging immortality idea for Adam as a way to still have his story play out but without breaking the narrative with how regenerative powers work. It's a shame we never really got to see how the show could have planned out had Season 2 not been cut so short.

[@youtubiu]

Unlike Heroes you actually delivered, great part two (better than Heroes season 2)!

[@CoreIdeas]

Thank you for the kind words! I personally am starting to feel like I under-delivered but thank you.

[@grumpyoldwizard]

You would think these strikes wouldn’t matter that much but it really did. I remember the quality lag when this strike was happening. It almost ruined several series including Heroes.

[@CoreIdeas]

When you don't pay your writer's fairly, you get bad results. Who knew?

[@tylerdurden788]

It stalled season 7 of 24. Season 6 was horrible

[@Sentientscarecrow]

Finally got around to watch this. Sucks there wasn't more. Made me miss the show, I think I'll go back and rewatch it soon. Great video, I really enjoyed this and part one

[@scalpingsnake]

I forgot this (series) was a thing... I am so glad this is a thing

[@CoreIdeas]

That's hopefully a feeling my channel will bring often! I like to talk about media people remember but isn't as talked about.

[@scalpingsnake]

​@@CoreIdeas I watched Heroes in a time in my life when I could enjoy a show but not fully appreciate one or understand the intricacies. I am glad that the things I saw as issues you also see them as issues. Like you said, no one really talks about this show I had no idea if I was right or crazy. Can't wait for part 3... maybe it will be sooner now that this is your full time job? No rush though of course :)

[@xxdangerousshotxx]

Damn part 3 must be really impressive, taking a year

[@PASTY06]

It was so hard to see my most beloved childhood show fall into decline. Love the series

[@CoreIdeas]

I know exactly what you mean. I loved the first season and to see it drop so hard was heartbreaking.

[@carnthecorby]

Part 3 coming back when Heroes comes back? The wait continues... Great work though man! Appreciate this deep dive into the cloud around production and giving your insight to better the show!

[@ildartukhtakhunov729]

I'm a simple man, I see a video by Core Ideas, I upvote

[@CoreIdeas]

I have waited so long to see this comment... It has arrived

[@brogot420]

Ayyy it's finally here! Good luck on doing youtube fulltime my dude.

[@CoreIdeas]

Thank you! It's definitely going to be a scary time.

[@vonnedavienwilson8150]

Finding out the truth behind why DL Hawkins' story arc turned out the way it is is so heartbreaking. The actor recounts it in his own words. I hope he gets the healing he needs.

[@LVnative]

Some of your ideas to fix the mistakes that were made in the 2nd season are pure brilliance ! You should direct a reboot of the series starting from season 2 and tell the story the way it should have been told. Very nice content indeed!

[@andrewceglio7549]

Love it! Bravo, Part 2 was just as well done as Part 1. Loved your story perspectives. Can't wait to see more!

[@CoreIdeas]

Thank you so much!

[@jayweb702]

The series didnt actually fall apart till season 4. I've been faithfully following the serious since season one And nobody ever complained till season 4.

[@famalam943]

people complained in season 2, I remember it very clearly even back then fans passed it off as the writer's strike but it never fully recovered.

[@Airlim]

Loved both parts was wondering when part 3 is going to drop

[@dinstraction]

alright, now having watched the video and understanding what that artwork was about ... nice. adam is actually one of my favourite characters in heroes, although less for what was done with him and more for what his concept really could have been, if he hadn't been squandered as a villain in volume three. I personally never really saw a problem with healing = immortality, because it seemed like a reasonable next step for that kind of power, and I think that would've been interesting to explore down the line (like would peter and claire similarly get corrupted the way adam was, over the years?) but you bring up a fantastic point about the healing (which ... as you said, pretty much killed any sense of consequence in the show) and I think your concept of adam's immortality NOT being healing would have been absolutely kick-ass. that would have been amazingly disturbing and visually striking. a highly lost opportunity and something I never had thought of myself before but now would love to see in fanfic or something, because damn. well done. in addition to your points I also think season two suffers a lot from Spot The Love Interest, where characters obviously introduced to be love interests (west/yaeko/peter's irish chick I can't even remember the name of/ultimately maya, with her storyline cut) have very little other personality or goal, and so what's the point in caring about them? heroes s1 had no romance other than the already established ones (save niki's and nathan's fling, but that wasn't actually about that) and s2 felt like a rushed way of trying to amend that, even though I feel like exactly no one missed that romance in s1. romance is fine, but it should come up organically through characters that have chemistry, not just be forced upon is. I feel like that was another reason everything dragged - we felt trapped with characters we had no real reason to care about other than superficially. very interested to hear what you have to say about season three. volume three is my least favourite because character assassinations abound all throughout the cast and plot holes were just all over the place, but I think volume four is actually a surprisingly strong story that felt very cohesive, coming after the disaster that was volume three and the meandering that was season two. great work, and looking forward to more!

[@sobr4986]

The forced in love interest in Ireland was Caitlan, I believe? ...which I've now watched all of season 3 though, and I'm left thinking we never had any type of conclusion to her situation, did we? Peter seemingly just up and forgot all about poor Caitlan being trapped in the future I do think you're forgetting a bit about Season 1 love interests though - Nathan is married but we find out about two of his affairs (Nikki and Clair's mom, Meredith) Hiro meets and falls in love with Charlie, we get a love triangle between Peter, Isaac and Simone, we have the relationship with Nikki and DL which is complicated by Ando's love for her, we are left wondering about the Matt and Janice relationship and if there will be something with Audry, we have the faked relationship between Claire and Zach, etc ...not quite the introduce characters just to be love interests thing of season 2, but it's the beginning of the series and their relationship status was already being set up as a major focus of the show. With most all of those falling apart in season 1, it's logical most would be replaced with new love interests instead since relationship drama was clearly shown so important from the start

[@Slickster-rh3mn]

Cool vid and some interesting ideas you had, without sacrificing much of the story. I feel they could have also shortened the Hiro in feudal Japan story as it dragged and felt at odds with what was happening in present day. I could be wrong but I'm sure Kring even said something along those lines.

[@CoreIdeas]

He did, there was an entire interview about the mistakes made in Season 2.

[@vellichor7676]

7:38 LOL her reaction is less "omg you killed the love of my life" and more "crap, you got my shirt dirty."

[@AngryChickenMovies]

Honestly your whole proposed idea for what they could of done for the character of Adam is brilliant! So good that it actually makes me sad that it's not a reality in the actual show lol

[@FlySell]

I like to pretend heroes ended after season 1 so I can forget about what could have been with seasons 2 and beyond :D

[@CoreIdeas]

That's what most of us do, to be honest.

[@blaze6477]

@@CoreIdeas season 4 was okay. Season 3 was a mess. Are you making part 3?

[@VarjoPira]

Damn. Watching this makes me wonder how things could've been with Core Ideas behind the writers' desk.

[@CoreIdeas]

Haha It's easier to critique than to come up with this on your own but I like that idea!

[@macmoore4599]

Where's part 3? I enjoyed the first two parts.

[@danielmoloney6743]

Love the videos man, can’t wait for episode 3! Your idea to change Adam Monroe is actually so good. Would be great to see what other changes to the show you would have liked to seen!

[@The_Drewid]

7:38, apparently the shooter had an artery burst as he pulled the trigger on DL. That's the only way the blood spray trajectory makes sense to me.

[@CoreIdeas]

Haha It really does look like that, doesn't it?

[@creativeguy1martinez693]

@@CoreIdeas can we just agree that D.L died in the dumbest way? I wished he died protecting Nikki

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

Their biggest mistake was brining back the S1 Characters back so fast, the new characters where incredibley underused

[@madpat2007]

Are we ever gonna get a part 3 to this?

[@excepthe10th69]

I wish

[@patrickgrady8213]

@@excepthe10th69 obviously not which makes the first two episodes garbage because he never finished explaining himself when referring to season 3 and 4.. boo

[@patrickgrady8213]

Water of 30 mins

[@drpantastic1969]

Heroes writers saw the future of today with this pandemic plot Erie how similar things are

[@StraightPunkEdge93]

You know just a couple days ago i was hoping you would post part 2! Glad it's finally here!!!

[@CoreIdeas]

Hopefully you'll enjoy it!

[@StraightPunkEdge93]

@@CoreIdeas I did!!!! Totally worth the wait 🤗

[@KitsuneRokaku]

Can't wait for part 3. I love seeing this autopsy of this series. Great job.

[@CoreIdeas]

Thank you! Part three has been postponed a few times but it will be out in May, I hope.

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

@@CoreIdeas 3 months later....no part 3.

[@ofidiotabagista5259]

@@giovannigiovanni.7220 1 year later...

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

@@ofidiotabagista5259 Lol, excatly.

[@ivancamacho9581]

@@ofidiotabagista5259 2 yeas later...

[@jacemultistan8846]

Are going to continue this series? It's really fascinating!

[@mattb6369]

You got good points about "Four Months Ago", I thought the same thing when showing Heroes to one of my best friends. After we finished Season 1 before the Season 2 premiere, I popped in "Four Months Ago" fastforwarded to the start of Peter's flashback, stopping just before going back to Sylar and Maya in the present. It made things far more understandable. Amazing review, here's hoping we see more for Seasons 3-4 and Reborn!

[@thiagobravo]

RIP part 3.

[@loopdog8710]

Bro why'd you stop making videos, these are great, you're a good writer

[@daksman]

This was pretty cool to listen to. Please publish the third part. Thanks!

[@Anonomius0]

9:58 actually it was mentioned again in season 4, when claire offered to give her blood to heal Hiro's tumour, but Bennett told her that would only accelerate the growth. Ok, even though as limitations to healing abilities go, that at least was plausible, however by bringing it up again it does raise the question why didn't they just to that to save nathan?

[@DejiAdegbite]

Wow! Your idea for Season 2 of Heroes is fantastic. It is on point. If I had to guess, I'd say you have some experience in storytelling in the form of say, novels, short stories, dramas etc. Just guessing.

[@kingmuizz708]

Why do I enjoy these so much?!?

[@CoreIdeas]

Because I work tirelessly to make them enjoyable? :)

[@TheFiddleFaddle]

I appreciate you pointing out that it had problems before the Writer's Strike. I heard someone make a comment about the strike in your last video, and I raised an eyebrow because I distinctly recalled its problems having nothing to do with that. Let's start with a character where whenever she cries, people die. Easy solution: STOP CRYING.

[@user-tn1jm4lt8c]

It was actually every time she got mad, not that she cried.

[@PlayerRPG85]

I really like your videos man! Looking forward for the season 3 analysis, the season when I dropped the show

[@CoreIdeas]

Thank you! Season 3 is going to be a doozy of a project for sure.

[@nicoledyer6707]

I still don’t understand why Peter couldn’t take his powers back while Hiro did thanks to Matt’s son. I really needed Peter’s story to end in a better way.

[@nicoledyer6707]

@Marshall Mathers the 4th thanks

[@tobznoobs]

Heroes was so good but its sad it a downturn in quality after the strike. Well at least we struck gold with the next breaking bad seasons, supernatural season 5 was also so good. All happened after the strike halted one of their seasons

[@CringeKhan72]

It is so weird hearing about a pandemic Arc in a TV show in this year XD feels too real lol.

[@simpalboi]

damn part 3 doesn’t exist 🙃

[@sulibreaks]

when’s part 3 dropping??

[@CoreIdeas]

Give it about a week or two! I want to make sure I got all my facts right.

[@jamesmcdude2239]

@@CoreIdeas uhh chief

[@TonyMacroni633]

Sir Jeffmuhammed facts

[@TonyMacroni633]

Core Ideas a year worth of research?

[@AnthonyMcNeil]

@@CoreIdeas Been patiently waiting for part 3...🤞🙏🙏

[@haimish26]

Part 3 delayed due to writer’s strike

[@starparticles6250]

These videos are great! We would love the next addition.

[@movedmindpoRUSZonyUMYS]

Such an original voice in the video essay industry! Keep it up, man, you're great!

[@videogiocatore3]

I love these videos...where is part 3? :'(

[@sobr4986]

How funny this video was recommended to me! I was just watching the show recently (attempting to, at least.) Back in the day I had seen most of season 1 but missed a few episodes late so I stopped even trying. I had planned on grabbing it on DVD and eventually catching up, but never got around to it (helped by friends/word of mouth telling me not to bother, lol.) Then a couple months ago I saw the entire series is available on Freedive and decided I should finally get around to seeing all this, only a decade or so later than initially anticipated. So I went into watching the show unbelievably fresh, with only a vague memory of the first half of season 1 and a knowledge that friends/others didn't care for later seasons very much - and I can say from this recent personal experience of basically first-time watching everything (up to so far S02E10,) man is season 2 ever difficult to get through. Some decisions in season 1 bothered me a bit but oh well, I was getting attached to the characters I did like. Then the conclusion of season 1 was really, really weak, as you pointed out, but okay, it's the character arcs that are most important in a long running series. Season 2 instantly left a *very* bad taste in my mouth though when I learned no one even died in said weak season 1 finale. Sylar and Peter surviving is especially stupid because it leaves you feeling as if the entire season was for nothing at all, we might be in this *exact* same "one of them might blow up a city" boat at the end of season 2! And like at least I assumed DL was the one unlucky soul to actually bite the dust in NY (despite being the one with the least threatening injuries,) but nope, come to eventually find out, he too survived!! So many episodes into season 2 finally finding this stupid crap out, in that extremely dumb and pointless side-story, plus the modern day reemergence of "Adam" were tough to swallow. And I am beyond fed up with the always seemingly going-absolutely-nowhere stories centering around people like Maya and Monica. But the Noah "death" is what has left me having still not bothering to even watch the final episode of season 2 yet, about 2 weeks after I last watched a couple. Now hearing you tell me it is *after* season 2 where things really go off the rails, meaning this isn't even the bad part yet … sigh BTW, and maybe I just missed it, but did they ever explain why Nathan isn't a Congressman in season 2? His election was such an important part of season 1, and yet it seems to have been completely forgotten in season 2?! I barely even have a vague understanding of why he isn't with his wife anymore, and knowing I have just 1 episode left in season 2 before the spoiler in this video showing his (I hope, permanent) death, I am guessing I will never really know what transpired ...which is absolutely asinine considering how much time they spent setting up nonsense backstory to characters that are of no importance to anything. (of course, I doubt Nathan will stay dead anyway seeing as Peter went through so much trouble to save him the first time he should have been dead, and he now knows how to easily cure him - Peters own blood, since Peter has spent so much time with Adam at this point) Anyway, sucks knowing the way too over powered Peter is apparently going to survive to season 3 - that means at least another season of trying to keep tabs on all the powers he's obtained but will probably never/rarely ever use. Hoping the same isn't true of Sylar, and that pointless and boring character we spend way too much time on finally bites the dust, but I sadly doubt we will be so lucky there either. Still planning on sticking this show out till the end, but shocked and kind of bummed this show only had one season of being even halfway good before it started becoming a disaster. Had great potential

[@sobr4986]

Not surprisingly, I was right - not with the how, but Nathan is still alive none the less. Then in a desperate attempt to make Monica more than completely pointless, her arc kills Nikki ...only for us to get New Nikki! - yay :/ And of course they had to force a reason for Maya's being, so Mohinder was turned into Goldblum's Fly! - yay :/ But wait, there's more! ...Linderman is back because yeah, of course he is! - yay :/ And that's merely scratching the surface of the stupidity going on. Wow, was everyone ever right about this show, sadly... :(

[@sirclownsalot5800]

Hope you’re okay dude.

[@CoreIdeas]

I am, thank you. Just creatively bankrupt.

[@uncommonsense_3602]

@@CoreIdeas Well I guess I'll sub, watch all your videos, then patiently wait for part 3.

[@IndieLambda]

I had loved season 1, to me, season 2 holds up specifically due to Hiro and Adam, the rest wasn't too great, but it wasn't too bad either, season 4 tho, things just fell appart, but I have great memory of season 2, the Hiro and Adam parts.

[@simplysaida]

I would love to see you cover this exact topic with Misfits, as well! Another great super power show that just made a few too many wrong turns. :(

[@CoreIdeas]

I've definitely thought about it! Though it'll probably be a more generalized video. These multi-part series' can really drain you.

[@avajohnson6992]

Simply Saida It really turned to shit after Nathan left, then Simon and Alicia. As the rest of the original cast disappeared, so too did the original ideas and the new cast and plots just didn’t live up to earlier seasons.

[@zebdawson3687]

The music at 8:12 is from Jade Empire, I swear! It’s the music playing when you enter the Forest of the Spirit Fox. Edit: 100%! I knew it! Here’s a video of a guy playing it, you can really hear the song at 1:01, take a listen. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5KUamBvi9VmZ9k

[@CoreIdeas]

;D

[@zebdawson3687]

You have good taste ;)

[@IbstarYT]

Kept you waiting huh ? Been well worth the wait !

[@CoreIdeas]

Thanks buddy!

[@goodtaste2185]

Your videos on Heroes are better than Heroes.

[@CoreIdeas]

Aww, thank you!

[@Yoseqlo1]

Can't say no to that.

[@BenBernardSmith]

Loved these two videos, any update on when part three will hit?

[@mattthenerd9283]

I've been waiting for this video! Really excited to see that it's finally released.

[@CoreIdeas]

Sorry for the wait!

[@mattthenerd9283]

It's cool dude, quality beats quantity any day. And you definitely deliver quality.

[@civilwarfare101]

This show's random plots, and missed opportunities reminds me of Robocop 2. All though I like Robocop 2.

[@CoreIdeas]

Never seen Robocop 2. I've seen the original but I've heard mixed reactions about the sequel.

[@civilwarfare101]

@@CoreIdeas I think it has a lot of good moments but it does have some dropped plot points and its pretty ambitious.

[@s-wo8781]

Hardly remembered shit about season 2, but Season 3 was dope though.

[@FeebleAntelope]

The problem with Season 2 and why it felt slow, etc., was because, as they said, they assumed fans wanted tension and buildup as characters discovered powers/new powers. But while pursuing that goal, they made some critical errors: * Peter Petrelli: His whole character development was centered around powers as a metaphor; as he grew as a character, he grew in use of his powers. As he approached Superman status, writers didn't know what to do with him, so they constantly depowered him, eventually erasing his powers entirely. I remember feeling like everything slowed down because he was suddenly starting over from square one, again and again. The Haitian is blocking him, the pills are blocking him, then his father erased his powers. His whole arc changed as a result. It felt like it stalled out. * Separating Hiro in time the way they did, made things feel slow. They could have had him experience all that stuff in flashbacks while Future Hiro is looking for Adam in the present time. Instead, he was stuck in the past, on what amounted to many episodes of a side quest that showrunners took too long to tie into the main group again. They focused more on signs of what Adam's machinations while Hiro pursued him in the present day, while cutting back to flashbacks like Lost. * They separated everyone after NYC, really. The problem with the way they came together is that they had no reason to stay together after that. So everything was scattered. * They handled the future virus thing disasterously, which invalidated all the episodes related to that. NO resolution to the virus or the Caitlyn stranded in the past. *Fans didn't want adrenaline. They wanted writers that a multi-season arc plan instead of writers that unintentionally undid the narratives of previous seasons.* They wanted narrative momentum that didn't stop because writers thought they had to start over with tension and the like. An anthology was unnecessary.

[@Iwillone]

I caught up with Heroes way late and I've always heard that the fans had major problems with it but I didn't know why (- ^ ) These vids have been a great help in explanation as to why.

[@CoreIdeas]

Glad to hear that! I'm worried this series is a bit too skewed towards fans, so please let me know if you want me to explain something a bit more!

[@Iwillone]

@@CoreIdeas I got no special request other than also cover Heroes Reborn. I enjoyed the original when I did see it despite the flaws that alluded me then and liked the continuation having been only disappointed in the absence of the iconic Cheerleader.

[@terrenceswiff]

"Scarred immortal" was done super well in Plansecape Torment. Dunno about anything else, but it was cool in there.

[@thegeekclub8810]

Great video, as always. You clearly put a lot of time and effort into your work.

[@CoreIdeas]

Thank you! Sorry about the wait and if the video length wasn't enough. I'll be making up for it with Part Three.

[@alexrock8264]

There is what I think about each season; 1- the most atmospheric (Perhaps the most nostalgic for all of us as well. Fist feelings. First sight. First emotions! Very grounded. ) 2- the shortest (More like the 1 season, but much shorter, and and quite possible pretty nostalgic too.) 3- the darkest ( Very villainous, and terrifying in some ways. The longest as well. It kinda betrays the 1 season by "not saving the cheerleader anymore," and killing of Nathan. Where is the healing or time travel to safe Nathan? Has my favorite character- the future Peter ) 4- the most distant ( Kinda sets apart all the characters mostly from their past lives. We get a different look at things. 5- the most different ( Very few original characters are present. Different villain. Different powers. Different, and super mysterious ending.

[@MysteriousAya]

When I first watched Heroes, I wasn't one who really noticed plotholes or inconsistencies, but I remember the episode where Nathan was being killed off and I literally screamed at the screen "CLAIRE IS RIGHT OUTSIDE YOU DUMBSH**S! USE HER BLOOD!" It wasn't till later I was brought in the know about the behind the scenes drama unfolding but it still didn't make any sense form a narrative standpoint because at least two characters knew about Claire's healing blood in that scene, probably more but my memory is fuzzy on that, and no one thought to bring her in for an impromptu blood transfusion. The healing factor was incredibly over powered for what they had to work with since she could literally cure cancer but "No, gotta keep her hidden."

[@SvenT23]

That raycevick cameo though Great watch btw, really enjoyed it

[@donovandelaney3171]

Yes on his eye scar and no on the rest. Claire loosing the Spark inside herself was stupid. Oh and how did Claire survive in the three timelines where Sylar kills Claire and Peter wasn’t there to save her!? Claire’s head was cut open three times!

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

I never got the notification when this video first came out. Better late than never.

[@Cort_]

Solid video mate!

[@CoreIdeas]

Aww, shucks!

[@tropicvibe]

I think they could've hired a few low level writers as a side team or consultants for such instances and you never know; people like that sometimes have incredible dedication and creativity. I had the same feeling with GoT...

[@Anonomius0]

7:37, yeah, personally I wasn't entirely convinced that what killed him. Considering that Matt parkman took several bullets and was unconscious by the season finale yet survived, and yet dl just took the one and was conscious

[@sayitsayuri8951]

the difference in Matt's case was the speed and force of the bullets, Sylar should learn not to multi-task. HOWEVER Sylar himself should have died about three times over in season one, the first of which being when Peter tackled him off that roof.... or maybe when Parkman shot at him, depending.

[@Anonomius0]

@@sayitsayuri8951 see, I just kinda assumed that Sylar already had some regenerative ability, hence how he survived getting shot twice (separate occaisions) as well as falling off the building, so I didn't understand why him taking Claire's ability was so important

[@sayitsayuri8951]

@@Anonomius0 Nah, the show established he didn't have healing abilities or any form of invulnerability. The scenes where he almost died in the first season (except when Hero stabs him) are so muddy that you could try and explain it away. Maybe he used telekinesis to stop Parkman's bullets. Maybe he fell on top of peter, somewhat cushioning his fall....

[@Anonomius0]

@@sayitsayuri8951 Or maybe they were so muddy that before future hiro explained that whole ability thing it was easy to assume that he had some regenerative ability and when Hiro explains that he took claire's ability you're like 'what the heck, he already had a regenerative ability!'

[@satanlover134]

I think they should have had nathan survive the same way, fall and stop hovering over the water, New York notices the giant fucking fireball in the skies. Some pilots and passangers near the event go blind due to the flash of light. The power gets knocked out in parts of the city, at least one plane has crashes and a few others have to make emergency landings. Peter wakes up with new powers the same way but it's in episode five. Nathan talks to the authorities but dispite the cast beating the bad guy missis Petrelly faints ignorance and Lindermans body is gone. Keep the Adam arc but have him burn himself alive after Peters Dad shows up and temporerally steals his powers aging him over the cource of 3 episodes. Adam burns himself to bring himself back and then uses that to show up at a press event later in the season and go phoenix to reveal his mesiah complex to the world. Adam invents a vast story for the press telling of many immortals roaming the planet most of them wanting to be left alone, but one man having aquired the ability to manipulate minds. Two powers. Peter doesnt trust him but because the government thinks Nathan was being brainwashed and they are trying to create a magneto helmet he lets Adam do his thing. Adam keeps the ruse up for two seasons untill he finally reveals his intentions to a grupe of people who are going to die. Mohinder talks to a phoesisist and they learn of a quantum element to biology. An alement that the government wants to exploit with a supersoldier program. The revelation spawns a wide vuriety of supersoldier programs and Adams healing powers are exploited on a world stage. Adam and Linderman have the same power and so does Claire, Adam uses it to basically become a bit of an international Jesus Christ while Claire lingers in blackops bases and gets tested. Claire runs off when she learns that she can resurect the dead, Adam warns that if she tries to use this power on people who have been dead for over a decade it tends to turn them in to Zombies. The blood resurects them but it makes it harder for them to remember their past and they start ageing quickly, He makes an "Apples of Idunn" refrence where new blood has to continually be added to keep the people young, they go freeze or burn their old skin off and the more they do this the less they remember of their old life. They change in their new life, becoming eider wiser, more violent if it's been a long time or stupider. Adam talks of a woman he resurected once who bore him children for twenty pluss years but with each burning she drifted away from him. Adams children were all over the place in powers but some remained immortal. So now Adams children come to meet out vengence. Adam reveals that he was planning to kill a giant part of the world so that he can rule it as it's new mesiah and make himself an army of gods, and he did it all for them they shaw see. As for the tripplet the second personality is revealed to be an actual sister as her husband is alive and they are held on base for observation. A third sister is introduced but shes more on the side of the military and used to oversee a team of supersoldiers. Hero meanwhile is hanging with Peter as they look around for clues of the organisation. Veriouse other teams are introduced one by one looking to get as much information as they can on the same things, some corrupting the supersoldier program some serching for a way to make their loved ones special. Keeping people relatively close with the hatian and Parkman working as a team raising Molly and Claire alongside the others. Syler on the other hand seems to be lerking around and killing people but when Peter is about to catch him he finds that it's not Syler, he's found a way to turn other in to his soldiers giving them telekinetic and other abilities. This only ferthers the idea that Syler is manipulating people and making them do things. Now that would make a good show!

[@toukopouko1760]

part 3 when?

[@diegopansini3152]

Is part 3 still happening?

[@flyphoenix22]

Yesss I have been waiting for part two thanks for making this. I’m gonna go back and which Heroes again because of these videos I stopped after season three.

[@Yoseqlo1]

Yeah. He not only says what went wrong, but offer possible fixes. I don't really recommend going past three, heck, the consensus is still one and then everything goes downhill.

[@flyphoenix22]

Yoseqlo Yoseloq That’s so true. I guess I didn’t miss much after three. XD

[@flyphoenix22]

Yoseqlo Yoseloq That’s so true. I guess I didn’t miss much after three. XD

[@bascal133]

Your channel will continue to grow more popular due to your content being high quality. Hang in there!

[@SimSquadGaming]

great video Hero's was my fav back when it was on and the way you present these are great. I am def a subscriber now.

[@mimidoodle58]

11:36-12:07 I honestly don't agree with you about how Hiro should be reminded of his so-called wrongdoing by having Adam Monroe be covered with scars from his betrayal. And although I only watched the first half of season 2, I see that Hiro had given Adam MANY chances to step up and become a hero only to remain lazy and drunken. The only time he ever really stepped up was after he retrieved the fire scroll from the 90 angry Ronin and that's when Adam, Yaeko and Hiro set out to rescue the swordsmith. Hiro only disguised himself as Takezo Kensei to protect Yaeko from bandits on her way to save her father. With both Hiro and Yaeko having a common goal, it's easy to see why they both fell in love and by the end of the arc it's implied that Hiro is Takezo Kensei from the tales not Adam. He (Adam) didn't deserve to be called a hero nor deserved Yaeko if he wasn't going to step up to the plate. I also believe Yaeko and Hiro made a much better couple than she did with Adam even if it was for a short time. Quite honestly, I would have written a fanfiction about Hiro encountering a reincarnation of Yaeko and then finding a way that they could be together.

[@Arturo-Peredo]

I had just gotten home yesterday and was wondering if part two had already been uplaoded, it hadn't, and I was like, "Oh damn, this guy hasn't been active for a while". I was then watching some other vid, I scroll down to see what else I should watch, and boom, here it is, I was off by a few hours.

[@CoreIdeas]

Hey, close enough! Hopefully it was worth the wait!

[@Arturo-Peredo]

@@CoreIdeas It was, can't wait for part 3

[@Zentagon]

Great vid as always bro! Really enjoyed this

[@CoreIdeas]

Appreciate it man!

[@randomsparrow333]

PART TWO!! YESSSS

[@b.a.60]

Oh, this is a bummer. Parts 1 and 2 were great, it's disappointing that the rest was never completed.