Heroes - What went wrong?

In preparation of Heroes Reborn, JD has taken a look back at the original series of Heroes and asks... what went wrong?

[@George-li1yv]

1. Same repetitive story line. Save the world every season. 2. Peters dad. Ruined the show for me. Taking Peter and Hiros powers was just crossing the line.

[@jenkinsjamell]

Big facts!!! Peter being overpowered was so fucking dope!!!

[@juliancisneros152]

For real they kinda killed it when peter lost his first power

[@noble14]

@@juliancisneros152 it was the writers fault really but their was also a writers strike which they should've taken into consideration when they were releasing episodes, they could've done it better if it was only sylar who could do it and Peter could only keep a set amount of powers at a time

[@wiwbiz2]

Worst was the 4 season, where a villian is introduced out of no where and everyone is ready to save the world from him. The ending was so stupid, where they all went to save people from carnival which was dreamed to kill everyone, actually happened because they pisses him..!!! Had they not pisses the poor villian, there wouldn't be a tragedy..

[@PipeRetrogamer]

Nerfing the best habilities was pretty lame. It did manage to keep me interested till the end tho.

[@juliancisneros152]

Tim kring killed the show by letting Arthur takes away Peter's petrelli powers

[@danielmadness1027]

3 biggest individual mistakes, giving non powered people powers with a serum...thereby taking away actual mutants special meaning and uniqueness, 2. taking peters powers never returning them and dumbing them down to one power at a time from there on forward,and 3. killing off wayyyyyy to many charatcers to make caring about them difficult. Season 1 4.5 out of 5 stars, season 2 3.5 out of 5,season 3 2.5 stars, season 4 2 stars.

[@romicor9]

Actually, taking away empathic mimicry from Peter and letting him develop ability replication was a good choice and a common sense one. Many bad writing decisions and bad character arcs happened because Peter's unlimited skills put the writers' backs against the wall. Gaining intuitive learning from Sylar and then going into a sort of villain spree (after ruining a couple of futures and trying to fix them) made a huge point against returning them...specially as the "multiple power road" seemed to make him more intelectually stupid every day. Unfortunately, the damage had already been done. Second, I don't believe every non-powered person can become evolved if they don't have the proper gene in their DNAs. Evidence to that is that Peter's ability replication is a variation of Arthur Petrelli's power that only manifested after the serum, the same way that happened with Tracy, Niki, Nathan and Mohinder (all of them have family predisposition that we know of). In Heroes Reborn, one of Claire's kids has the exact same ability than Arthur and Peter, suggesting genes play a part on it. Last, IMHO bringing characters back from death is a bigger problem with the show than killing the characters that shouldn't have been made regulars in the first place.

[@komorayesse6949]

accurate AF

[@abbysands9510]

@@romicor9 No, it wasn't, it was a stupid idea to take away his powers and replace them with one power at a time. Also In the future, he was killed by Claire even though the Haitus was nowhere near him and he had picked up so many powers, it was literally a god. You think with all that power he will be able to sense Claire all at least heal a lot faster from bullets. He placed Peter his younger self in another vessel and gave him control of that vessel. Another stupid thing was making Peter evil after taking Sylar's powers, Using Claire's blood to heal someone after there are dead. I mean if the person is dead how do even pump blood into his body, there is no heartbeat but not using to heal original Nathan. Yeah, the writers had difficulty coming up with threats but all you do is to create a villain who stronger than Peter and empathic mimicry does work. Superman one million has the power to block other people from mimicry his powers. Peter was able to take Sylar's powers until he allowed it.

[@whosaidthat84]

Season 2 deserves half a star

[@DaDunge]

@@romicor9 They could have removed Peter's power if they had allowed Sylar to stay dead. But as long as Sylar could collect powers Peter was needed.

[@somethingsinlife5600]

The writers strike killed this show...The first season was awesome though.

[@SonicStantz]

Actually, it wasn't the writers strike. Check this out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGbUoamsmJ10Z5Y

[@CharlieTV]

@@SonicStantz its private. But it was. Thats how characters got totally forgotten about.

[@scamrasc]

@@CharlieTV The writer's strike is an excuse. It only occurred during S2. It's a legitimate reason why things there were rushed, cut short and abandoned, but it's not a reason for why the utter lack of logic, continuity, imagination and through-thread storyboarding continued for an additional 2 years AFTER the strike!

[@CharlieTV]

@@scamrasc I'm explaining the reason why. If it never happened, everything would have continued with the original story.

[@scamrasc]

@@CharlieTV And I'm explaining that that only applies to the shortened S2. The writing continued to get worse and worse and worse for the following years, debilitating the show into repetitive, nonsensical trash with inconsistent characterisation that didn't know it's own canon.

[@imbi9580]

It needs a remake with a simple and intriguing story arch that have good continuity and answers to any of the viewers question. Beginning, plot, end.

[@deezynar]

You nailed it. No attention to continuity or logical progression. This is a common problem for TV series, but few shows need to be as tight as one like Heroes, yet the producers ignored it.

[@defAngel]

That stupid carnival arc did me in. Smh

[@defAngel]

Konspiracy that’s a good point about Sylar. I just felt like the carnival stuff was a little too dragged out. I had to make myself finish the season. I expected more. This is all subjective of course....

[@romicor9]

High expectations could explain the disappointment. They would have needed magic to make Volume 5 as good as the first one, it just wasn't possible even when they gave Peter his integrity and personality back. Robert Knepper is often underutilized even though he's a superb actor. No surprise about that.

[@milaniafrzr]

@@defAngel SAMEE I FORCED MYSELF TO FINISH IT TOO

[@ChronoJedi]

that was painful to watch

[@KrazyBoss33]

I just want to say one thing that I thought was tragical to the plot as well. What happened to NATHAN's WIFE, she just disappeared, and they have never care to explain what happened to her

[@cowpokemon2176]

Didn't you hear what Nathan's mom said? "You drove your kids and hides away if your dad was here he would be ashamed of you"

[@romicor9]

It's implied that she divorced Nathan and moved with the kids to a different place to never return again. I didn't see them in Nathan's funeral, but I didn't put much attention either.

[@sobr4986]

@@romicor9 The fact that Nathan up and ignores the fact he used to have a wife & kids he now has zero interest in as of mid-season 2 is something I couldn't help think about the rest of the show. It is a major issue that helps destroy the character (as well as his mother & brother, who similarly just ignore their grandkids/nephews exist) ...not even when "Nathan" was running around touching objects and regaining old memories did "where are my wife and kids" ever come up. That's a joke Another issue is, everything we know about powers indicates those children have them as well; yet apparently no one anywhere cares. This issue is highlighted when Matt's son uses his powers at a very young age, yet no one is concerned that Nathan's kids would be doing the same?

[@violetfionaduncan1481]

Romi C They did attend to his funeral actually, I saw them and it is said in the credits.

[@kollington2380]

Neither did they care to explain what happened to the little girl who can locate people. Or Maya.

[@eleojay401]

Wow, from Heroes to Zeros, just like that. Amazing!

[@vashna3799]

I lost complete interest the moment Mohinder gained superpowers. He was the normal human who spoke for the viewer. Completely messed up his character.

[@creativeguy1martinez693]

I hated how they gave the normal supporting characters powers. They were already fine without them!

[@yaraitz63]

It didn’t make sense how he was looking for a way to give normal people abilities when the already had a way of doing it...

[@robbiekop7]

His superpower should have been opening a convenience store on the corner of the street 😄

[@Random-Draw-Time]

Honestly I did think it fit how he litterally became something he wasn't. But yeah they needed to have Mohinder learn that kind of lesson without making him Messed up Spider-man

[@Masonicon]

for some reason I don't mind Mohinder got superpowers

[@raidensix]

Ruining Peter Petrelli's character and making it the Slyar show.

[@creativeguy1martinez693]

😂😂. But seriously, as amazing as Zachary Quinto is, Sylar should've died at the end of season 1, as well as Peter and Nathan. It would have completed their arcs and not make their later appearances very forced

[@derser6]

@@creativeguy1martinez693 especially when AGAIN Skylar Peter AND nathan died AGAIN

[@creativeguy1martinez693]

@@derser6 I didn’t even get that far because season 3 fucked me up. I hate it

[@SolarDNA]

I love the first season but the final showdown was disappointing, probably due to budget issues, but still. That and I never understood why Nathan had to fly Peter into the atmosphere before exploding when Peter also had the ability to fly at that point.

[@skydreamer4225]

Peter tried not to explode, I guess thats why he cant fly at the moment

[@StevoLad1990]

The series did have some flaws but it was really truly epic

[@jonbaker476]

Peter's powers could've easily been nerfed without having to actually take away his original power. It's rather simple. Since Peter's power is literally called "empathic mimicry", it would stand to reason that he instinctively absorbs other people's abilities into his body, but he can only call upon powers of people that he has strong feelings for. Another nerf is that he doesn't have their powers working all the time. For example, Claire's power of healing is ALWAYS on, whereas for Peter it would have to be something he calls upon. Or another thing would be that he can only absorb powers of people he has strong feelings for, rather than just anybody around him.

[@skydreamer4225]

This is actually a pretty good idea

[@forcecalibration924]

I just appreciate the show more now that so many years has past

[@bclr6843]

I remember being horribly insulted and upset when instead of using Claire’s blood to bring back Nathan instead of scrambling Nathan’s mind in to sylers body.

[@zangiex3101]

Right? It was very shocking as the solution was so simple!

[@marekpietruszka3832]

Half bad if you ask me, that's pretty much the only thing they could do to stop Sylar once and for all. He was way too overpowered.

[@klas-6]

To be fair, even at its worst, it still was better than most superhero/other shows now at its best. On TV, that is. That being said: - Claire's blood can bring people back from the dead so the Nathan dying problem in Season 3-4 didn't have to happen. - Too many 'heroes' was exactly a problem though at least having Sylar kill them is more believable. As long as they just limit how much Sylar has to kill them because they could always just do those episodic 'evos' which only exist in one episode to be Sylar'd - Season 1 was epic and Season 2 should have rather focused more on the corruption of the Company (which they attempted) rather than the virus or Sylar again. Having Sylar appear around Season 3 or 4 would have kept it more engaging. - I feel sorry for Peter. He wanted to be special and save the world so many times but he's basically a huge part of the problems in the early parts of Heroes. He was a bomb. Got Simone killed. Became Sylar. Helped to unleash a virus, nearly. Became amnesiac and got people killed. Became a 'criminal.' Just oof. Things probably would have been better if he didn't discover he could fly. And he became so serious and like Batman later on in the seasons, like I never seen him smile there compared to Season 1. That's not a problem it's just me feeling sorry for him. - Claire confuses me. - Everyone forgot about Lyle. - I feel sorry for Micah too. - Mohinder has an obsession with these things. Cool, that's good. But don't monsterise him

[@jeremyhall6942]

What got me was that after Nathan was shot by Peter at the end of season 2, he is revived by Linderman (who was killed in S1) and Nathan is the only one who can see him. It is later revealed that Parkman's dad was showing him images of Linderman... so that means that Linderman was never there and there's no way that Nathan could have been revived in the first place. Not to mention, he died at the end of EVERY season.

[@RastaganTheGreen]

YES xD it got to a point where Nathan was like Kenny from SouthPark

[@michaeljohnaragon9316]

Unfortunately heroes reborn did not learn from its mistakes from heroes...

[@TheEddieStilson]

"...leaving his wife to be turned into an obvious mannequin" Lmao I think I almost shit my pants at that part.

[@eon001]

The problem with Heroes is every season had the same stakes. They had to save the world every fucking year. It got old fast. They should tell more personal stories like the marvel Netflix shows. Stories don't need a world ending disaster to be compelling.

[@romicor9]

Volume 5 had a bit more of personal stories. Emma is introduced, new carnival characters, Thanksgiving at the Bennet's house, we get to be annoyed by Gretchen, Hiro is sick and trying to reconnect with Charlie, Peter learns to let go and one of the main characters has died for good. Not as good as season 1, but could have been worst.

[@lizzaangelis3308]

Perhaps they could have had their cake and eaten it too if perhaps they made saving the world the one singular primary goal for the entire series and then focused on a growing evolving story arcs to get these characters to where they need to be to achieve the ultimate goal

[@eon001]

@@romicor9 Yea I remember being excited for that final season because it had lower level stakes. That might have been one of my favourite season after the first season.

[@eon001]

@@lizzaangelis3308 Yea they could have built up to it like Endgame and have the final season be the world ending event. Between that they could have had some anthology eps and mini character developing arcs. They really peaked in the first season and they just couldn't reach those heights again. I still miss the show, and I actually think they could make a comeback. I would suggest the Black Mirror approach, and just have mini anthology stories set in the same world.

[@DaDunge]

I actually felt the problem was that it kept bringing Sylar back.

[@Noa......]

Am I the only who enjoyed all the seasons?

[@Christrulesall2]

I did with only season 2 being slightly disappointing for me.

[@the_rose_garden01]

Yeah, I loved all the seasons

[@theonlyairconditioner]

I did too, tho season 4 is what killed it in my opinion

[@beingdeleted9231]

I loved all of them

[@Fetch_The_Bolt_Cutters]

same i genuinely like all the seasons.

[@dprice81]

This show was so good season 1. I appreciate the show and the attempt to keep it going

[@Misaelito1991]

Season 4 killed the series and Reborn was the last nail in the coffin. Sucks cuz Heroes used to be so cool

[@zcuguzxjcjv5796]

Misael Villeda everything after the first season sadly killed it

[@shapeshifter7676]

Season 4 was way better than 2 and 3

[@Masonicon]

From middle part of volume 3 is where Heroes stop following official canon in my project

[@urinino6917]

I loved Season 4, Season 3 is the worst

[@StupidIsAsStupidDoe2]

I love Heroes. I still binge watch from time to time and endure all its cringy moments.

[@The13thElysium]

Season 1 was perfection but you are right, so many awesome character got killed off too quickly, while the main cast felt like they regressed every season. There were some highlights after S1 but it got too convoluted and too many characters were dropped without explanation. I will always love: Eden, Candice, Niki, Meredith, Elle, Angela and Issac!

[@sobr4986]

Yes, exactly! I just pointed out on the old Jump The Shark review that the real Jump The Shark moment came in the Season 1 finale, when they changed the plan from the mega-budget blockbuster type ending to *no one dying* Almost all the problems came from characters having their arc changed from that planned death to ever ongoing, and the forced ways to try and have that happen ...case in point, the Adam's blood issue was almost certainly only added to correct the fact Nathan needed to continue as a star of the show, but logically couldn't survive without at least the severe burns they gave him ...or Hero randomly all of a sudden needing a sword and going back in time to give him something to do while keeping his powers out of play for the plot lines ...or Peter needing to have amnesia, and therefore lack of memory/control of his laundry bag of powers (but not surprisingly, there is one massive exception to that - a power that he doesn't have control over, but is conveniently never brought up again. That is...) Think about the consequences of having Sylar and Peter survive the Season 1 ending - they are both still a continuing threat to blow up a major city (or worse, the world) and *no one* ever brings it up again; we are led to just forget it because the show wanted to ignore the power was ever introduced. So for the next 3 seasons we have two emotionally unstable guys with the power of an a-bomb they can barely control running around the world, and no one anywhere ever even bats an eye. Why didn't Peter blow when he awoke, in a panic, in Ireland? Why didn't Sylar blow after being stabbed in NY? Why didn't "Nathan" blow when he started redeveloping Sylar's powers, powers he is shown to have no real control of? As soon as they changed to have everyone survive, massive plot holes were created which (through contrived explanations, retconning and ignoring) continued to ruin the show up until it's end.

[@originalrecipe8938]

Sylar had his abilities removed on one episode so the nathan explosion wouldnt have happened

[@rauldempaire5330]

Woww...either you are a screen writer or you have plenty of free time in your hands....

[@millasboo]

For me it started to go down hill somewhere around season 3.

[@Deimonos85]

after the writer's strike

[@ronaldsprowal9978]

yeah writers strike messed a lot of TV shows up

[@ronaldsprowal9978]

the Second half of season Three it went down hill

[@romicor9]

I stopped watching after the second or third episode of Season 2 because Maya and Alejandro were HORRIBLE, Claire's storyline was plain boring and everything else was starting to get messy. Now that I re-watched the show, I skipped Volumes 2 and 3 altogether. Every time I read what happened in between "How to stop an exploding man" (1x23) and "A clear and present danger" (3x14), I'm glad I did.

[@creativeguy1martinez693]

@@romicor9 everything went wrong in season 2 when the decision was made to kill Candice, the shapshifter and illusion maker. She was too powerful to die via a smashed mug to the head

[@FaisalKhan-uv1kl]

They lost after season 3 and then it was just a drag and confusing story line

[@franciscomelojunior2535]

After Season 2. Season 3 should have only come only to finish it up.

[@creativeguy1martinez693]

@@franciscomelojunior2535 it's better to complete a good show in its prime [for example, Mystery Incorporated] than to drag out a goos show for too long [Supernatural]

[@GarrettFogerlie]

Great video. You bring up some good points as to why Heroes was ultimately disappointing. I'm surprise your video didn't get more views. I'm re-binge watching Heroes now, and I totally see your points.

[@DaDunge]

8:00 Hiro and Peter did not feel problematic to me, not like Sylar did.

[@jerryhofstra6894]

Biggest problem was the writers strike between 1 and 2

[@nineartdragon3292]

I wish peter and hiro get they power back

[@brizuelasergio]

this was a great analysis season 1 was great but season 2 was lame and by the middld season 3 was just pure fan-service to keep viewers engaged

[@AgeofFire444]

So many, many, many bad writing decisions that made such a great idea with good likable characters into the exact opposite and ruined the characters and plot

[@coreyjohnson5200]

One of my biggest pet peeve was most of the characters treated there powers like a curse it got old really quick like wahhh i have superpowers my life sucks. I would of loved a cival war type deal like some of the Evo's decide to rule the world in a way while others stand against them. Personaly I wish Pyrokinesis was better represented i feel like its aways watered down and the fact that it can be a very powerful ability like Flight, Heat Vision, creating fire constructs like swords' daggers, shields, you could control things like radiation like Ted or even the sun with enough paractice So many ways you can go and yet all they do is throw fire balls like come on

[@spirittammyk]

It's why I loved Sylar. He loved his powers and wasn't afraid to use them.

[@neko_doll5122]

Lmao I knowww righttt. Its so annoying

[@abbysands9510]

@@spirittammyk Sames as Micah, he too loved his powers.

[@creativeguy1martinez693]

@@abbysands9510 and a bunch more. Peter, Candice, Linderman, Hiro and some more. Those characters loved their abilities

[@hasan_1888]

Great review man. I just finished the show. my rankings of the 5 volumes. 1. s01(Genesis), 2. s03a(Villains). s03b(Fugitives). s04(Redemption). and last is s02(Generations). When I first watched s01, the 2 key ingredients that made it successful were: 1) The mystery element. The whole mystery of who or how new york blows up and hows isaac's paintings affect the future of our characters was so intriguing. It was always gonna make viewers glued to their tvs. Although s3 part 1 did try to maintain the mystery with Arthur Petrelli/the company , the mystery was no longer impactful. 2)The second element was chemistry of the characters working together. When you introduce a show with a unique set of characters, its vital that these characters spent time together just like how LOST did. After s1 we rarely saw that. There should have focused more on friendships between hiro-claire or peter-claire or hiro-nathan or matt-noah or even mohinder-nathan. At the start of later season each of these characters would start where they left off and it was annoying. Other big blunders: One of the biggest blunders was making peter claire's uncle. In a show like this you should have a main couple. peter and claire were perfect. what was the point of making nathan claire father? they hardly developed that relationship. Making sylar take claire;s power ruined the series as there was no way to kill him. Tension is gone. So neither the villain nor the hero could die. Sylar was ultra OP and should have not stayed beyond season Taking away peters and hiro;s powers was also dumb. Like you already made a blunder by making the villain op. so now you take away the powers 2 heroes that can actually stop him?

[@AM-hz8xv]

They could have easily just said that Peter can't control all his powers and it takes time so he opts to use certain ones and cultivate them rather making him seem.. stupid. I'd prefer to think back to heroes with rose tinted glasses cos 13 year old me lived for it

[@casey5935]

IMO, reborn was bad. But the original is my favorite show ever.

[@sayitsayuri8951]

Season one: very interesting, not phenomenal writing but the diverse cast of characters and their intertwining stories were pretty epic. Biggest flaw: Fight choreography/use of abilities. Season two: Completely destroyed the build up from the first season, introduced new characters without exploring their characters in a way previously shown possible, didn't overlap stories as nicely as the first, destroyed the original cast (cept Ando). Best part: David Anders Season Three: TBH I don't remember... I think this is the season where papa petrelli returns, Sylar's hunger arc starts, Peter loses his abilities and all that shite.... Season Four: I binged this show before reborn came out, and I remember seriously little from this season besides the lady with the cello who's name I can't remember.

[@Mordeth0666]

There were some weird things like how Claire's blood healed gunshot to the head. I think that is a kill shot. And didn't bring Nathan back. At the end we see how stupid teenagers really are but that is the reality really. Claire showing her powers to the world. And how stupid reporters are, as someone seems to be doing suicide and they are just like, hey keep the cameras on her 😂

[@jonbaker476]

The only thing I disagree with is that is DOES make sense for Peter to come back after season 1. I mean, he has Claire's power of regeneration. That could've kicked in and brought him back from the brink, whereas Nathan and Sylar were obviously dead.

[@damariusgriffin]

breaks my heart still to this day. The potential it all had gone to waist and it ending before the chance to correct all the mistakes. Currently rewatching it and I thank God I'm able to enjoy it while considering what could have been better.

[@damariusgriffin]

Peter losing his main ability still keeps me up at night. They could have had Arthur take it and then when he died, the light from his body should have gone to Peter and gave him his abilities back. I mean yes he was OP but so was Sylar having them both was part of what made it all interesting and exciting. A lot of things could have been better.

[@benjin3993]

Biggest issue I had was the cop character, when the show had that big narrative shift he went from stand up to guy to the guy who married a minor that he once saved

[@I_AM_G_FORCE]

The only thing that went wrong was they stopped making it. This show REVIVED SUPERHEROS

[@Piloublob]

molly's father didnt leave her, sylar killed her whole family just to get her

[@JDDeMotte]

This is factually correct. However Parkman's dad did abandon him, and that's who I was referring to.

[@Piloublob]

Sorry i did missread :p

[@skeamrivera192]

Hayden Panettiere acted so great in "bring it on all or nothing" to the point she became a hero after a month

[@RJRyderVaughn]

Where heroes went wrong was because after season one there was a writers strike. So the same writers werent working on the second season. If the original writers had stayed the original visoon would have stayed on course.

[@shazlx]

Don't forget the multiple confusing time paradoxes

[@springlady8337]

A lot of people were shipping Peter with Claire until they found out they were family. Generally a leading man and leading lady are lovers, not family. Kind of a disappointing discovery.

[@dr.burnquistxoidel5388]

George R.R. Martin is the king of killing of main characters and no ill effects occur...only dollar signs.

[@glamcat7948]

Thanks for breaking this down. I stopped watching about 4 episodes from the end of the entire show cuz it got so confusing and crazy. I've since wondered what the hell happened.

[@romicor9]

Not only the producers/writers weren't invested, but Milo Ventimiglia seemed to be not that invested either. There were some disappointing performances that left me thinking "WTF Milo, you can do better than that bored face", and badass special effects didn't compensate for that. Other scenes were better, specially in Volume 5. He had acting ups and downs...after the show ended, he considered to quit his acting career and taking a sabbatical in a foreign country. I wonder if other members of the main cast felt that the show took its toll on them too.

[@romicor9]

In his own words (from the interview he gave to CBR.com in Oct 2010): "I remember during the first season, we were sitting at an Emmy panel, and there was a whole bunch of us on stage. Somebody asked us about catching this lightning in a bottle and how exciting it was, and I was the only person who raised my hand and said, 'Look, the reality is the show will get canceled.' Everybody was looking at me cross-eyed, like, 'You’re crazy! Don’t say it!'. But that’s reality".

[@greenphonix9326]

I just rewatched it till s3 and liked everything

[@Wisconsinlife]

I really liked Arthur Petrelli's character and I liked that he had Peter's powers but I think Peter should have gotten them back somehow. And I think the Villians segment should have lasted longer. Would have been cool to see Peter vs Flint, Knox, Daphne and Maury.

[@RastaganTheGreen]

I agree. The villans segment was probably my favorite one

[@Aronmasonarts]

I just got the dvd box set and it's all over the shop, becomes hard to follow when you binge

[@shapeshifter7676]

Searies one is still my favourite Superhero Series

[@Beegeee40]

I LOVED this show -at first

[@Aldiggy2000]

I feel they should have made Heroes a different story/different actors each season. Like True Detective and Fargo. Season 1 was a masterpiece and should have ended with Hiro killing Sylar. Episode : Company Man was just amazing

[@CallieBlader]

my biggest issue was introducing characters that had no reason to be a part of the plot. they at least tried with micah's family being important, but aside from that, ellie and the deaf chick who can see sound/weaponize are the only new cast members who got to do anything effectively. sure the main big bad of season 2 is there, but then season 3 happens. i didn't care for copycat, i didn't care for micah's family, didn't care about budget aquaman or black hole dude. they added to many characters that adds nothing to the main plot and only serve as development for the core cast. which is sad honestly

[@skydreamer4225]

Budget Aquaman? Who lol

[@CallieBlader]

@@skydreamer4225 the comic book nerd who claire saved thanks to rebel. he can breath underwater

[@toukoenriaze9870]

When your Soo op that even the creators had to nerf you xD

[@nguqobo2261]

The main reason Peter could accumulate powers was because he had taken Slyar's which absorbs and accumulates powers. They were barely in contact until Season 4

[@sergiovinicius2221]

I want this show back

[@DaDunge]

3:40 Oh yeah bringing back Sylar was the biggest mistake.

[@MartynRavensdale]

They sat on their laurels, big time.

[@DaDunge]

For me it 's easy "To much freaking Sylar"

[@MeerkatChris]

I've been going back to the beloved first season for the first time in many years, and I honestly believe it still holds up incredibly well! If you leave Heroes as that first season, it's pretty solid and allows it to end with you thinking of "what if" scenarios as to where it COULD have gone, whilst still having fulfilled its narrative purpose as a mini series. It's much better this way at least! I don't quite get the "dated" argument though, as I've seen it mentioned a few times by a bunch of people, but they never specify. I mean for one, the majority of scenes and even set pieces are filmed practically with very minimal CGI. Even then, it's serviceable CGI at that, for the most part! I'd argue it still looks and feels very believable... The issues I have with the series mainly come down to its structure. The writers clearly favoured certain characters over others, and even give the majority of screen time to the most boring and two dimensional character with Niki. The series also pushes the whole "everything AND everybody is connected" thing a bit too far at times... And of course, does enjoy introducing cool questions without ever really exploring them that well (if at all). Other than that though: great characters that really can compete with the greats in my opinion, memorable themes throughout, and really captures a sensational amount of feelings into its first season that rival the majority of the superhero stuff today!

[@iMajed]

We need a Heroes movie with the old cast.

[@Nerdy_The_Punk]

This was a great show that could of been amazing if they tightened up the writing

[@breeze9248]

If they would take away Sylar and Peter... no one would've watch it...

[@DaDunge]

Actually Sylar was the reason I stopped watching it.

[@Masonicon]

to me, the reason it goes downhill is when Hiro choose to be villain(I think Hiro got Power Drained is cuz of Karma) so when I uses Heroes universe in my Project, I make it's timeline branches from Hiro refuses to join Pinehearst

[@RebeccaPaige]

Two words: Writer's strike.

[@theonlyairconditioner]

I love heroes as well as heroes reborn. Having said that, there's only 1 major issue that I believe hurt the show and I'm sure others would agree with me. The show never had only 1 plot, at least until season 4, it also had several subplots/futures. As an example, season 1, New York exploding was the major plot but then, syler became president, disguised as Nathan. All those tiny plots continued to exist throughout the seasons and they were heading toward that...until season 4 completely undid all of that and focused solely on 1 plot only and they did that all within 1 episode, after 3 season's worth of work to set things up like they had. It was a tragedy that they did that and also a lil disappointing that heroes reborn only had 1 plot with no sub plot.

[@burningexeter4365]

...Tim Kring is a hack...

[@IHateLife13]

ZombiePowder He limits or diminishes his characters powers and personality development. I’m afraid he might do the same with the new X-men Phoenix movie that’s coming out in 2019.

[@leejones8582]

I think the writer's strike took down the show where the wrong lessons were learned from season 2 where it was seen as slow and became faster paced and more plot holes became apparent

[@hasan_1888]

exactly. they went with full force plot driven seasons. There should have been a balance. i wanted to see to these characters interact more and build friendship.

[@johnberida5571]

I thought that was the reason, too. I was fully invested with the show up until the season 2. I remember the quality of the writing just plummeting by the time the Writer's Strike happened.

[@hasan_1888]

@@johnberida5571 the characters story arcs were simply boring and annoying. Although some of them were better in s3 s4 but the damage had already been done.

[@theeffete3396]

Just rewatched S1... anyone who blames the writer's strike (during S2) for the show's failure is fooling themselves. The show had major problems right from the beginning. Poor pacing, rehashed narratives, and numerous inconsistancies abound. The show had an interesting premise and some really good acting, but the overall execution was awful. It just got worse in subsequent seasons.

[@jpremier5743]

It’s all in the mind, superpowers without super wisdom, well....

[@danielsharp2012]

They should of had more fights

[@alexrock8264]

1 Season- is the most atmospheric 2 S- is the quickest 3 S- is the darkest 4 S- is the most distant 5 S/ Reborn - is the most different

[@analis_s]

I have no idea for what the included Maya and her brother just for saving Sylar?

[@RastaganTheGreen]

Yeah admittedly they were probably the most pointless characters... Maya's ability was so fucking cool though

[@irishpanic]

For me the best part of the show was Parkmans dad. That was really cool and creepy

[@paulcurran9343]

What went wrong......in season 2 they neutered Sylar and in the 4th season the did the same to Peter. Doing this is akin to ripping superman of his powers in the first 5 mins of a movie and him getting them back in the last 5 mins, then wondering why ur 3hr movie didn't do well. Season 1 was amazing and season 3 was a marked step up from season 2...... shame!

[@DaDunge]

Sylar should just have stayed dead after season 1.

[@b.a.60]

This was a great analysis.

[@Nerdy_The_Punk]

Wasn't there a writer strike also?

[@nccamsc]

Changing the timeline extremely frequently after season 1 with all the time travel - too smart for their own good

[@keithvnumber1]

I've always been pissed they left Peter's girlfriend in the future where she was left to survive in a place she didn't know and was held prisoner. That and Claire's boyfriend had her father's power, lame. Peter's dad took his powers away. Peter was the most badass character and they neutered him. It should've ended with the first season because the writers strike killed it.

[@ronaldsprowal9978]

Did you do a video on Heroes reborn

[@chronobot2001]

I enjoyed the first and second seasons. They started adding too many characters. The last season was totally awful. I found the last season in the bargain bin for $5.... I didn't even bother buying it.

[@c.kessel2091]

Heroes till has the great potential to overroll franchises like GoT or even Naruto or Avengers or Agents of the S.H.I.E.L.D - The story line was greatly hopefully not closed... Till pending

[@generallee1699]

The show really died when they took Peter's powers away. They could have built something good around Peter and the show, but noooooo, they fucked up.

[@JustJames83]

Was Heroes Reborn any good? Does anybody know/care?

[@martinthabang9621]

PS - Heroes Reborn was crapppppppppppppppppppppp. Thank you

[@whosaidthat84]

Wrong! It was shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittt!

[@shugyosha7924]

I just don't understand how season 1 was so good but the rest of it was so bad. It was like they weren't even trying. Like they were all high and just writing down any old thing. They just kept introducing elements with no way to tie any of it together. They even did Heroes Reborn and it was still awful!

[@tribal-ace_z]

I still wanna say the first two seasons I truly loved. Even though season 2 was never intended to continue their stories, I felt like from season 1 to season 2 they did a really good job at pulling the characters into a believable direction. Though it definitely wasn't perfect, especially for DL and Nikki. However season 3 onward they dropped the ball. It wasn't good. I didn't really love anything they tried from there onward. Some things were okay, but nothing was good enough to match the first two seasons.

[@thadonmel5352]

Too many interchangeable writers so continuity was not respected at all and also after the first season they worried too much about what viewers wanted and critics had to say instead of just making great tv which the viewers will gravitate to regardless (ex season 1)

[@martinthabang9621]

The lack of direction and focus he keeps referring to was the writers strike... I don't think he knew that otherwise it wouldn't have been so surprising. We all know what ruined this...

[@neko_doll5122]

I'm just glad sylar stayed for 4 seasons

[@yosriby9300]

00:00 soundtrack name please

[@See_Sharp]

Too much writers inheriting other writers work. A show needs only one writer and vision.