Corner Speed is Completely Overrated | Mat Mladin

[@peterlong9629]

Matt was acquitted of those charges. He did no wrong.

[@brandonhickman6658]

Matt beat Ducatis and Honda RC 51’s on a Suzuki 750 for years. Then in 2003 when the AMA allowed thousand cc four cylinders he kicked everyone’s ass again on a one thousand. Matt would always credit his team first for his success, and he did have the best team clearly. Matt was ruled by hate for other riders, every year picking a new target. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work. He was an asshole, but he outworked and out desired everyone.

[@cheetah740]

He worked hard for sure

[@spartacusthebringerofrain3007]

Miguel to this day said Suzuki cheated using a version of traction control that was illegal but was in such a grey area the AMA wouldn't do anything about it. American Honda refused to do the same thing and he retired and American Honda went with him. Matt was awesome but Ben and Miguel hated him

[@NudaMan]

That was a good interview, sucks that none of these bikes are competitive against newer euro bikes, times changed for sure

[@richardbranton190]

The first person off the throttle is also the first person on the throttle. Being first on the throttle will always give you the best lap times. It was true in the 90s and still true today. I don't see it changing anytime soon if you are riding big horse power bikes

[@cheetah740]

Best lap times vs. winning races are two different things. If two riders are approaching a corner and Rider A let off throttle first, and rider B stayed on it a little longer and can make it stick under braking, rider B can then block pass Rider A and gain a position.

[@richardbranton190]

@@cheetah740 absolutely they will do it every time. You just keep your line and when they run wide you just throttle pass them on the inside. I know I made that sound simple but 90% of the time they can't hold it and always run wide. You have to be careful on the last lap just be aware of your surroundings

[@vr46nh69bs11]

I think it depends on what bike your on. Mat was riding a 1k so he took advantage of what that bike had to offer, lots of power. On a smaller bike with way less hp an torque, I think corner speed would be more important because they lack that power to drive out of the corner. The other part that’s hugely important is how good are you on that front brake? The better you are the more Mat’s philosophy works.

[@cheetah740]

💯 agree! The corner speed has to be kept higher on a slower bike.

[@spartacusthebringerofrain3007]

It was Matt's skill and the team he was own but alot more a was going on at the time. The factory teams and most importantly American Honda had decided the cost of competing in superbike wasn't worth it and shifted all the focus and new riders into supersport. The racing was great and the main focus of the teams best riders Miguel, Tommy Hayden and Jamie Hacking while the same riders were stuck on underfunded and undeveloped superbikes. Matt was a great rider but he didn't beat Miguel, Jamie James you name it by 2 secs on fully funded Rc45s American Honda or even Yamaha at times were running. That era from around 2004 and 2008 was basically the death of American superbike class and after Miguel,Matt retired and spies left those supersport focused riders didn't transition well into superbike racing and the class just died. People would watch the Hayden Brothers and the Graves team go at it all day on 600s but there wasn't any interest in seeing it in the superbike class and the series disappeared from television until moto america started pod casting it again. I still have old racing magazines and have laptimes in them that say Matt and Miguel were lapping almost as fast on 750s these moto america superbikes are running 20 years later. These riders aren't even close to their talent

[@PEZ1514]

You cant overrate an elbow drag and showing the puck wear off, lol. Real talk corner speed is important in the right passing situation, its all about timing.

[@9NineOn]

It's up to the person but Mats riding style is crazy because he dominated in almost every race by seconds. He was beating they all just that bad and could not catch him.

[@joyfulpyro2589]

I actually had an instructor tell me to slow down because I was holding guys up with my slow corner speed then launching out of the corner and they were unable to pass. That's when I had an R1. I always thought 1ks were meant to point and shoot. I have a 675r now so I must ride differently.

[@ToddSails]

Late apexing is where it's at, IMHO.

[@the._.bohemian3096]

Im still a novice rider and corner speed is the one thing they say is holding me up from my bumb. I run a 55 to double 0 at Barber and 8 know thats faster than many of the "i's" out there. Based upon the coaches in put and my times, I'd say my riding style is much to that of what youre describing here. Late deep trail braking, cut off the corner and accelerate hard out. Currently trying to find a middle of the road approach!

[@suzukikawasaki5165]

It's all horse shit. You go around a corner as fast as you can. You point and shoot a corner like the last one at Laguna and you carry speed through the T1 kink. The corner decides the best technique. This whole debate is a nothing burger.

[@cheetah740]

If you have raced at a competitive level, you know you can use both techniques for certain corners. I have a close friend who is similar pace to me at most tracks, I can outbrake him, but he carries more corner speed.

[@suzukikawasaki5165]

@@cheetah740 Ya I raced for 23 yrs at Loudon, CCS Ex. . Racing is a fascinating discipline.

[@SilkLotus]

Depends on the bike.... liter bikes more reliant on the power getting out of corner and getting to full throttle the earliest, 300s need to carry speed everywhere to get a good lap time.

[@cheetah740]

💯

[@wasatchadventures8947]

Hypocrite. Because at one point he criticized John Kocinski for his corner speed when they were both racing AMA.

[@cheetah740]

Wow really? Didn't know this

[@motofreak-ey8ky]

Few differences Big bike small bike- big bikes take advantage of there horse power and get up to top speed quicker by point and shooting. A small bike can carrier more speed in a turn with less angle and need that speed cuase they cant accelerate as fast. Moto1 vs motogp. Moto 1 carrier similar corners speeds or more. Motop has to much horsepower sp accelerate on the side of the tire once straight up wide open. Neutral throttle looses races. Now yamaha vs ducati in motogp is intresting cuase same size bike but two different styles to ride

[@cheetah740]

Agreed 100%

[@PygoManiac]

I believe a quick lap time requires a balanced tradeoff between corner speed and ability to square up the turn. It probably depends on the track as well. A track like Nelson Ledges definitely needs high corner speed ability.

[@cheetah740]

Absolutely 💯

[@hemanthreddygaddam353]

🤘

[@Master_Yoshi]

As that guy in Novice, I think its best for me to brake softer longer until I'm real comfortable with trail braking. I can't push my brake marker if I can't even brake in a corner😅. But, I still like the brake deeper approach, and would like to use it once I'm skilled enough.

[@cheetah740]

Yes I think it's something we all are pushing towards. Step by step..

[@sachin4165]

Can we get a bike walk around/ break down

[@cheetah740]

Yessir!

[@lamercbs]

Was watching Talladega videos over the past few days traying to see how people are getting through #3. I noticed a few guys running in deep on 2 & 3, pointing and shooting out. They're getting in and out of those corners fast.

[@cheetah740]

Perfect example of how it can be confusing. The faster guys point and shoot that turn.

[@jackjones7451]

This is why he never was great in moto gp.

[@cheetah740]

LOL