Cosey Fanni Tutti on equipment, Throbbing Gristle and Acid House | Red Bull Music Academy

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Starting her career in the late 1960s, Cosey Fanni Tutti went on to become a seismic force in experimental music. Whether delivering confrontational performance art as part of COUM Transmissions, pioneering industrial music with Throbbing Gristle, or constructing a prototype for acid house in Carter Tutti, her work has invariably been years ahead of its time. As a result, she has served as both an influence and an inspiration for generations of artists.
In her fascinating lecture at the 2010 Red Bull Music Academy Cosey Fanni Tutti delved into the emotion, messages and meanings in art.
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TOPICS:
6:10 - Emotion in music
8:54 - Throbbing Gristle
15:10 - 20 Jazz Funk Greats
21:58 - Equipment
28:13 - Chris & Cosey
39:34 - Collaborations
MUSIC:
9:31 - Throbbing Gristle - “Hamburger Lady (Carter Tutti Remix)” • Video / Throbbing Gristle - “Hit By a Rock” • Video
17:46 - Throbbing Gristle - “Still Walking” • Video
31:18 - Chris & Cosey - “Love Cuts” • Video
33:07 - Chris & Cosey - “Exotika” • Video
45:39 - Coil - “Feeder” • Coil - Feeder (With Ch...
47:31 - CTI - “Dancing Ghosts” • CTI - Elemental 7 - Da...
53:13 - Carter Tutti - unknown
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[@RBMA]

You can read more about Cosey Fanni Tutti here... ► www.redbullmusicacademy.com/lectures/cosey-fanni-tutti-visceral-sounds

[@MrUndersolo]

I reading her memoir now and am totally hypnotized by it. An amazing woman who has lived a life worth emulating! Thank you for wrecking our civilization, CFT!🎉

[@paulburkhart2619]

Highly recommend reading Cosey's book "Art Sex Music" if you want to learn more. Thank you for the interview!

[@troygaspard6732]

It is great to hear her start off with 1969, and the abandoned industry buildings that she and anothers performances artists had parties in. And how various instruments were scattered about for any one to play.

[@coelacanth23]

explaining how constrained we were by tech (and how frigging expensive it was) to the VST generation is interesting :)

[@teddy36912]

Sometimes that constraint breeds creation. I made my best stuff on OctaMed in the 90s. The serendipitous accidents and the tricks needed to get the most out of the limited range of the equipment, pushed boundaries and engendered a real understanding of the limitations of the tech. Now I have 3 different DAWs with all the softsynths I could ever want. It's more convenient and instantaneous, but the endless opportunity can sometimes hinder. Maybe it's more of a constraint to have too much choice. Where does one start....

[@hahaihaveahandlenow]

As a child of the VST generation, hardware offers a expressive, personal and creative workflow and, eventually, music. I can also relate to Cosey on the monotony of a mouse.

[@isellcrack3537]

@@teddy36912 couldn`t agree more.

[@MURDER_WITH_A_V]

49:33 Cosey using “revolution” and “revelation” as synonyms. 🖤

[@Universe021]

I love her since she was playing in COUM Transmissions acts

[@NOWtheband]

Well that's great for you, then, and a wonder for us to learn about you! ;-)

[@mindmy609]

Coum remember the artwork behind that RIP Orridge

[@suncat5160]

Not many people will be aware of this but Cosey was also one of THE sexiest women of all time.

[@ulfingvar1]

Still is, if you ask me, with the added maturity that comes with experience..

[@brutallyremastered4255]

Hence the name.

[@croiners4166]

❤

[@DennisMHenderson]

it will be a nice relief when your/his subspecies has finally completed. still hilarious that you eat eachother's flesh rebranded as "fast-food" though

[@suncat5160]

lol wrong comment section big fella@@DennisMHenderson

[@thehowlingterror]

Very fortunate to be born during that specific time.

[@sandyrickard994]

The interviewer was very good I think in 2021. Cosey is a woman of her era.. like we all are

[@elihyland4781]

what a brilliant, gorgeous, charismatic, fearless goddess 1:07:03 ⚡️🪩🪦

[@EphemeralProductions]

Love her ideas that she shared, that used in those previous art pieces she mentioned! So cool! What an incentive and ingenious artist!

[@antidoteify]

12.56 Cosey has patience indeed

[@0therun1t21]

I feel the exact same way about how people are having an empty experience with modern music and clubbing, etc. I hope our grandchildren find some inspiration to do something different and meaningful because if our kids did I haven't heard or seen it yet. I love what she said about the 70s, damn.

[@brutallyremastered4255]

Of course they will.

[@kelechi_77]

Experimental/underground rap music has been going pretty crazy in the last few years. I'm 17 at the time of writing this comment, and I hope by the time I reach my mid 20s a real counterculture movement like that of the 70s is brought back, when my generation becomes of age.

[@0therun1t21]

@@kelechi_77 Excellent! Got any recommendations? Even if I don't get into something I can usually appreciate it.

[@johnnyjay8551]

she's so great and charming

[@EphemeralProductions]

7:05 that’s how i feel about hamburger lady. By making the song so horrific is speaks of her plight and almost puts you into her shoes and the situation.

[@coelacanth23]

IMHO the finest and most C&C album is called Trance...listen to The Giants Feet! It still astonishes me

[@MrInterestingthings]

Amazing that the experimental field is so large now and many people read and know some music theory where these guys had the audacity to be fascinated by sound and trying to get musical correlatives for themes that were not part of the social conversation .extreme themes and so not interested in riffs or formulas . Most music you hear now is still built around bridges and repeating verses so little has changed with what the average person wants . What i hear when I search are new themes and unusual vocals but the background is still pretty formula . T.G,s.p.k. Cab Voltaire were so different from everything else .

[@huskendriller5341]

When a small bird is caught between the rotors it certainly makes for unusual viewing; did we record?

[@brutallyremastered4255]

How do you get the role of gentle host of some Red Bull thing, looking sensitive on a wakeboard?

[@vasarian]

Thee Queen of Noise and working in the Now.

R.i.p Genisis!

[@kevcatnip7589]

sad news

[@NOWtheband]

* Genesis

[@prototype9000]

why did they edit the music out

[@thanatos_777]

7:45 wowwwwwwwwww!!!!!!! that is funny.

[@dls3939]

Amen sister

[@krisztianunpronounceable]

@09:04 For me, it's the cooing of a morning dove

[@delco2035]

"we dont rehearse"

[@benitolazio8193]

Interesting

[@martinmoore6168]

anyone know what pere ubu song she was referring to at 30:25 ? ive searched their discography and cant find it maybe she means captain beefheart? certainly would have been contemporary

[@RBMA]

She doesn't make it clear unfortunately!

[@gokartmozart]

It must be Beefheart... here is an admiration for his music from her: thequietus.com/articles/26032-cosey-fanni-tutti-interview-favourite-music?page=6

[@oscillated139]

It is Beefheart that she refers to in her autobiography

[@deep_fried_midget]

"Just Like Heaven" and apparently David Thomas wasn't happy about it.

[@mazigazi]

@@deep_fried_midget he wasn't happy about her stripping to it? that's hilarious! you'd think he'd know that people use his music for whatever they want after they buy the album. jeez, I've taken a dump to it.

[@laurenceegan6136]

I totally disagree with the interviewer's response at 21:00: that the position of being without fall-back is quite a scary place to be for a creative person. Using fall-back is the complete antithesis of creativity. I would suggest that most people who are playing an instrument at any given time are not being creative UNLESS there is some level of improvisation, or divergence taking place as they perform. If any creativity can be said to gave taken place in such a case, then I would argue that it would have happened at the stage of composition of the original piece that the person happens to be performing. And even when it comes to composition, most people are just following a formula of some kind anyway. I should add that even in a case such as the one that Cosey describes here, there is always a risk that a person striving for originality uses fall-back - most likely unconsciously. Not many can be original all the time.

[@kevcatnip7589]

Doesnt strike me as an art for art sake type ,,,I THINK she was genuinely using creativity as an escape

[@rexterrocks]

The thing is that even if we start in music not knowing the rules we still can't help but learn and get better. I think we do build a subconscious knowledge that we inevitably fall back on. She said at one point that Chris does most of the work and then presents it to the others and they 'know' what is TG and what isn't, which means that they must have a formula for what they think works. I think what I'm trying to say is that as original as we try to be, we can't help but learn what works and what doesn't. It is hard to be original because we soak up information all the time. I find collaboration with others leads to originality more easily. TG was made up of very disparate characters, each bringing something different.

[@jonesy2111]

Unless you create pure shite that that has no talent or formula et all

[@thegreatsiberianitch]

Left brain/right brain musicianship, I think everybody starts off being more one or the other but eventually you will become a combination of both if you're going to continue to grow or if you want to be able to play with other people. Even if you never know the proper terminology of what you are doing, you will still work out and agree upon a system in your own mind or with a group. In their band situation Chris was serving as the left brain and Cossi was using that to output things from a right brain perspective. That's interesting because Chris' participation allows Cossi to be more right brain than she might have been able to be on her own. But all together the goals of the group were nearly completely right brain so they worked toward and achieved those ends. If you choose to believe in "Rules" in music or "Fall-back" that's a personal decision you make based on what aims you want to pursue, or not pursue. The interviewer is supposing music necessitates a formal education, squaresville daddyo, complete squaresville.

[@rexterrocks]

@@thegreatsiberianitch Regardless whether we start off without any training or rules, it is impossible not to learn as we play. It's inevitable that we will always develop rules and methods. If you play a guitar long enough you can't help but learn what sound it makes when you put your finger in a certain place. I particularly liked when I first started using synthesizers and had no idea how I would come up with sounds, it was always accidental, but I got to the point that I can hear a sound and even know what synth it is(it's a common ability, you can't help it). Cosey must know her synths very well as she made a comment about people using standard sound patches and how lazy it is(paraphrasing). She's been using them a lot longer than me. Her attitude in ignoring the 'rules' is what it's really about. If I listen to 'United', that's by someone who definitely understands playing in time and playing the right notes. It's a very musical piece, when they played live, especially in the later years she certainly did a good job at replicating the songs, so I'm not buying it that she still doesn't know the 'rules'. She chooses not to follow them.

[@archaic9525]

why the f did you cut the music parts? I cannot figure Cosey to sue you for copyrights, I cannot.

[@thecatsmarracas4784]

Copyright of the master recording generally isn’t owned by the artists unless they recorded it themselves.

[@hahaihaveahandlenow]

@@thecatsmarracas4784 they recorded it themselves but handed the copyright over to Mute Records. I don't know why they did it though.

[@thegreatsiberianitch]

17:12, "Cassette." Jesus Christ lady, yeah, a god damn cassette, calm down.

[@NOWtheband]

"Cassette"

[@notmyrealname9059]

@@NOWtheband In our day we used to sequence using smoke signals and then a homing pigeon would peck at a detuned Theramin. Cassettes ruined everything. Pesky kids.

[@NOWtheband]

@@notmyrealname9059 - Blimey!

[@notmyrealname9059]

@@NOWtheband ; ) I know my sense of humour sometimes doesn't transpose well to text,, 'Type is Cheap(er)'. But I do still vastly prefer KZbin comments to the more socially hyper-focused forms of media. Perhaps it's because I rarely get replies. I don't feel as constricted by trying to impress the FaceTwatter Insta-crowds and their thirst for likes/shares stats etc etc. It makes the odd comment more rewarding so thank you. Best wishes, I do hope you're well.

[@NOWtheband]

​@@notmyrealname9059 - Understandable. My humour also suffers from that. ;-) Thank you. You too!

[@DJSTOEK]

🖤

[@collapsingnewpunkie]

23:41

[@cmasseylynch]

Cosey's book "Art Sex Music"

[@callactm14]

Trying to intellectualize someone else's personal experience. You can never understand

[@leperlord7078]

i have never heard hard working man by Pere Ubu Anyone else?

[@NOWtheband]

She probably means the 1978 song of the same name by Captain Beefheart.

[@MrInterestingthings]

By the time new wavewas being talked about Pere Ubu was gone . I hadsome live stuff and they wee often featured on anthologies. The B-52's Pylon a lot of really small bands got word of mouth .

[@pdox23]

Trite questions from a fresh faced interviewer without knowledge of cultural context. I was there at the time.

[@kelpkelp5252]

Well done. Congratulations.

[@janklaus2594]

Sadie:

[@Ducklingy57]

Holy Fuck I'm so what yes

[@NOWtheband]

"We had no money", she says after saying that Chris went and bought one of the first 808's in the UK......(the 808 cost around $1,000 in 1982) Ha ha, bless! .-) At the end, when she answers the gender question, she is absolutely spot on (in my eyes n' mind, obviously). I just thought it vital for you, dear reader, to know my "important" opinion, he he he ;-)

[@mikloshofpar755]

Midleclass Csuckers even then!

[@mikloshofpar755]

Chrisandcosey music=💩

[@NOWtheband]

@@mikloshofpar755 - I get it: You don't like them. Ok. Great to know.

[@EphemeralProductions]

He might have bought it on time…

[@NOWtheband]

@@EphemeralProductions - That is a possibility. We don't know.....

[@xaosm_os]

@45:25 @Coil? never heard of them. @57:37 - @photonz.

[@katejenkins8303]

Those questions she asks are not making sense? External perceptions ?

[@vasarian]

There's only so much this inter iewer knows but I think she does ok given that fact. Just glad this got taped; great to see Cosy touch on various elements.

[@petecampbell3929]

I bet she was a dime in her day

[@regplasma7906]

Thee interviewer is totally out ov her depth.Thee dead horse has been flogged.CFT has patience.

[@NOWtheband]

You reckon? Fair enough. We all have different perceptions, thank goodness! I thought she did alright considering the slightly disdainful vibe Cosey was giving throughout :-)

[@BenLubin]

I think she did a great job, was well informed and articulate. Cosey was a bit standoffish.

[@regplasma7906]

@@BenLubin I know enough about TG & CFT to say what I said.In addition to that ,it is always the interviewers job to initially make the guest feel relaxed and to have a good knowledge of the interviewee which the interviewer do not carry out..Watching the body language and eye contact here says it all.

[@delco2035]

it's a gap. No biggie tho.

[@quantum_ocean]

Red Bull can't afford an audio engineer?

[@kikeheebchinkjigaboo6631]

Sad. Suicide is not funny

[@Universe021]

But Fanni is no funny too

Red bull has no business talking to these artists. She probably never heard if her. Fucking hipsters!

[@jamesmonoghan1281]

I saw them years ago, early eighties, I couldn't get into it. It was just sounds and noise some of it was disturbing, uncomfortable, grindy. I couldn't wait to get out of the gig. Anti Rock n Roll bastards. I'd put them in the same category as the shoegazers who came after them. Artists should stick to paint and canvas anyway, clean yer brushes and stuff!

[@movimentodoscacos]

loser nerd mindset

[@gregdahlen4375]

the interviewer's face does not look like she'd be interested in alternative music. she looks like a farm girl. altho her fashion is alternative and attractive did cosey claim they didn't know anything about actually how to make music? can't see that that's possible given what they produced. but an interesting lie