Could a Modern F1 Car Handle Macau's Infamous Hairpin?

[@gokingsgoful]

I don't know, I'd personally like to see an F1 race decided by who could do the fewest five-point turns around a hairpin....

[@dylanzrim3635]

Not ragunathan that’s for sure

[@anthonymolina7416]

@@dylanzrim3635 the marshals were like turn the wheel. lmao he probably could’ve done half a doughnut to turn around .

[@KitKitChanIsaac]

@@anthonymolina7416 Just Lord Mahaveer being Lord Mahaveer

[@kevinprior3549]

​@@dylanzrim3635 He is just a clown

[@SadMarinersFan]

I think I already know the answer considering I had to mod the Assetto Corsa F2004 to add more steering lock to get around monaco.

[@SadMarinersFan]

Oh shit you beat me to it. Lmao.

[@fmondeo]

@@SadMarinersFan What

[@SadMarinersFan]

@@fmondeo in order to get around monaco in Assetto Corsa in the F2004, I had to change the files on the car so that instead of 180 degrees of steering lock in either direction it had something lime 230 I think (its been a while I forgot what I set it to). If I didn't I was either wall scraping or clutch kicking to get through the hairpin. It's basically emulating the custom steering rack that teams run for Monaco IRL.

[@AidanMillward]

I’m pretty certain I’ve got it round 🤔

[@Will_M600]

@@SadMarinersFan not true you can get round it with setup, I've done it, however it is slow

[@hannesgroesslinger]

This reminds me: do you know about that one time when A1GP tried to race on a street track in Beijing, and in first practice they found out that the cars couldn't get around the hairpin. They had to cancel that day's practice sessions, so that the track could be modified. On the next day they had to cancel even more practice sessions, because the manhole covers were not welded down and some of them came loose. Could be a topic for story time.

[@kevinprior3549]

A1GP ... what a rubbish series that was

[@Tacko14]

I always wonder: if you’re a rookie in f1, how scary is first time Monaco?

[@tristandoran601]

It would be scary in modern F1 cars but you build up the pace rather than go all out as soon as the green flag is shown in FP. At least the drivers have experience of the track because the junior formula cars race there but they don’t compare to F1 speeds.

[@joshuachandra6677]

I can only assume to be at Monaco in the big dog machine you have to have some type of practice in the little dog machine... Even if your father owns the entire Earth

[@TinyBearTim]

I think more the fear of spa and monza

[@anthonymolina7416]

@@TinyBearTim yeah most F1 drivers say they wouldn’t do ovals cause of the danger. But that section in spa seems pretty scary no run off and you’ll probably get hit by another car

[@f1jones544]

I can't imagine there's any hint of "fear" at Monaco or anywhere else. But especially the relatively low speeds at Monaco. There's only been one fatality ever, over 50 years ago in a completely freak accident, and these all pretty mickey mouse. Shouldn't even be on the calendar imo.

[@vberl9573]

The issue with the RSS car is that they dont have the monaco steering rack. The cars aren't even able to make it around the Monaco hairpin as they do in real life in AC. Ralph Firman did laps around the track in 2003 with a formula one car and it managed the hairpin fine with the monaco steering rack

[@AidanMillward]

Weird, I've managed to get the cars round Monaco hairpin with every new car.

[@vberl9573]

@@AidanMillward realized I left something out of the comment, so I have edited it now. I am able to get around the Monaco hairpin but much slower and much closer to the exit wall than they do in real life. The thing with the Monaco steering rack is still true though. The car is missing approximately 45-70 degrees of rotation in the steering wheel. Though it is understandable that they haven’t implemented something like this as there are only a handful of tracks in the world that would need this steering rack.

[@slaur42]

Ah yes, of course, super sub Roberto Moreno saves the day! Well played, sir.

[@BungleBare]

By late ‘91 he could well have been on driving duty for Jordan if they’d sent the 191 to do demonstration runs around Macau.

[@mhkanit]

Ralph Firman did two days of demonstration lap around Macau in Jordan EJ13 back in 2003, I think lap record was in the 1:50s

[@ZetaLeong]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHXdlWV_bptlqJY yup as i remember that was 50th anniversary of Macau GP

[@paulschofield4955]

@@ZetaLeong yep 2003.

[@mikehipperson]

There was a time when F1 teams produced 'Monaco Specials' with short noses and extra steering lock specifically to get through the Station Hairpin/Leows/ Whatever the fuck it's called now corner but that was before wings and aero became such a big part of the sport. Considering next season's regs will result in heavier, longer cars, I can't see overtaking at Monaco getting any better!

[@AidanMillward]

Cars will be slightly shorter, but heavier next year.

[@Skasaha_]

They still do this, including the steering lock, but it's much less extreme than it was in the 90s/early 2000s.

[@senna3]

It's a sad fact that if F1 teams borrowed Formula E cars for this race, the ability to overtake would increase exponentially.

[@SmittyHalibut]

I love the Corner Camera shaking its head at the end. 🤣

[@GreenHornet553]

Speaking of tracks based in China, can you do the Zhuhai International Circuit? It would be interesting to see if it would do better than Shanghai, as it holds a race on the WEC calendar. Not only that, F1 wants another Chinese race on the calendar and the Zhuhai track was originally picked for the initial attempt to host a Chinese Grand Prix in 1999. So it would be cool to see if it could work as an F1 circuit now.

[@rickhendriksen3736]

Zhuhai is a really good track. You have a few straights, a couple hairpins and some medium speed corners. So the track has everything.. Racing there on raceroom is always fun

[@zero39]

I love Shanghai... for hotlaps. So satisfying to nail it, but not that great for racing. And Zhuhai is the opposite, pretty boring for hotlap but races are fun hahaha

[@eamonahern7495]

Hits like button while the unskippable Aldi and Dettol ads are on before the video even starts, such is my faith that it will be good content.

[@ivailok3376]

If Monaco is an oversized go cart track, then this is a freaking traffic jam.

[@WynnofThule]

Formula E cars might take it well. They're FE, they can do almost anything it seems. 7m is just average for them.

[@GreenHornet553]

Too wide to make the turn I think.

[@gui18bif]

What is F. E.

[@WynnofThule]

@@gui18bif just an abbreviation for Formula E

[@kevinprior3549]

Might be too long for FE

[@kevinlockhart4393]

Now knowing that Aiden is also a fellow Star Wars fan makes me wish we would get a good podracing game since its the closest thing to F1 we have in universe.

[@alexdemanche2253]

The PS2 game was legit, they really need to remaster that

[@UnseenLive1]

@@alexdemanche2253 err... maybe not. You did see what they did to gta right?

[@alexdemanche2253]

@@UnseenLive1 hey no doubt it could be shit, but if we could find the right developer to do it, it could be amazing. Obviously this will never happen, but if the could just update the graphics only that game would be legendary. No transactions (micro or otherwise) no multiplayer or limited multiplayer. That game was so much fun, I still play it from time to time and it still holds up

[@TimmyTantrum]

Watching the 2003 demo of a Jordan running the Macau track at speed here on KZbin. He makes the hairpin, but only just, and also without other cars throwing him off line or distracting him. No way a field of 20 F1 cars could safely navigate this course.

[@Durbanite2010]

A Jordan 191 is a 30 year-old car - I don't think too may others from that era would be able to get aound that hairpin, as the Jordan was known to be a pretty compact package. I don't think too many 1950s era or 1960s era would have trouble - they would likely steer through the hairpin with the accelerator pedal anyway

[@azarulnazimabdullah22]

Yup that one... kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3XGh5-YotGNd68

[@caincha]

-Even though we've said 'no' before getting to the driving part of the video... -Got me thinking what about older F1 cars could they get through? That's why I like this channel, he does know what we're thinking 😂

[@jomi568]

I've been looking forward to this since DDF's stream this morning... good job 👀😎

[@messmeister92]

*Me:* “Why the hell would you race in Macau? It’s kinda random and the layout is a joke.” *Aiden:* “Macau…is now part of China.” *Me:* “oh right FIA $$$ lolz”

[@WynnofThule]

Factually incorrect take according to the CCP, -15 Social Credit

[@fgsaramago]

Macau has indeed the highest GDP per capita in the world

[@jamimakela5540]

?? Macau GP has been held since 1954 its not a recent event

[@messmeister92]

@@jamimakela5540 true but like Monaco, money is likely the only reason this outdated track is still in use.

[@fgsaramago]

@@messmeister92 more than money, like Monaco, it's an historical and prestigious event

[@Ivan_Ardon]

Is it feasible to adjust the outside of the corner to allow for a larger turning circle? I don't know the layout, so unsure how far further back the outer barrier they can extend.

[@MrBlazemaster525]

Considering high-rises ring it(you could see it on the run Aidan does) I don't think so

[@alunchisholm481]

looking at google street-view, not at the entry, because there's a building there, but at the exit, there's a big drop on the outside, and there used to be a gasometer, which has been demolished. They "could" do some major earthworks to open up the exit - assuming that they haven't planned to put a new building there.

[@CTcuber4K]

"Im going to show you anyway because it's funny" Words to live by

[@garchompy_1561]

I think maybe testing something old like brooklands' Campbell circuit might be interesting to see if modern endurance racing would still be interesting to race on around there. the """""oval""""" would probably still be boring af unless it was nascars, but the inner circuit could still be interesting.

[@EMP_castlebravo]

Even though I know the reasons why F1 would never go there, I’d still love to see what an F1 car could do around Mt Panorama in Bathurst.

[@BungleBare]

There’s footage out there of Jenson Button taking a then-current McLaren F1 car round Bathurst, around 10 years ago. It was a demonstration run for Vodafone, who were sponsoring both McLaren in F1 and Triple Eight in V8 Supercars at the time.

[@strredwolf]

Do you know what Macau's hairpin reminds me of? The Grand Prix of Baltimore. Not as tight of a hairpin on Light Street at Lee Street, but those IndyCars had to slow WAY down in order to make the U-turn lest they veer off and become an exhibit at the Maryland Science Center.

[@timothystamm3200]

Well if they had been racing this circuit the cars would likely be much shorter than they are now.

[@BungleBare]

I’m surprised that no team built a short wheelbase variant of their car for Monaco prior to the budget cap. Ferrari and Merc probably had the budget in recent seasons. Maybe homologation rules prevented that? I’m also surprised that teams well behind in development didn’t just roll the dice and try to make a car that was either short wheelbase and loaded with downforce for the likes of Monaco, or super-slippy and shorn of as much downforce as possible for Monza/Spa/Baku, and living with it (and the same pointless finishes) for the rest of the season, if that’s all their budget allowed for (looking at you Williams and Sauber). Pretty much Tyrrell’s philosophy in the mid-‘80s was a short, relatively uncomplicated, nimble car. It tended to shine on street circuits. There was a bit more nuance to it, I know, with them running naturally aspirated engines against Turbos, but that was the general principle. If the ballast in the water hadn’t been used (and then discovered) they might have gone on to develop a car in coming seasons for only acing the tighter tracks on the calendar.

[@thirdwheel1985au]

The Nelson Muntz "ha-ha" at 9:10 just made this video win forever

[@omegafolf]

Macau: the Talladega of road courses.

[@georgecowley3972]

The power play is to chuck the brake bias rearward then drive it like a kart, quick lock up and slide round it or at least help get it turned in

[@LiamNI]

1:06 - "it's here, not just to the east of Hong Kong, but rather a bit to the west of Hong Kong" FTFY. 😉 I used to live in Shenzhen (still have an apartment there), just to the south of Hong Kong (jk, to the north of HK), and still work for a company there, and own another company in HK itself.

[@AidanMillward]

This is what happens when you go east from the west and then need to go back the other way.

[@LiamNI]

@@AidanMillward lol. It happens. Cool video anyway.

[@AmsterdamHeavy]

That turn is even silly in Ride 2 if I remember right.

[@Leikjarinn]

LOVE these series!

[@ProStriker92]

I enjoy driving in Macau on GTR2 with one of the Super Touring mods (who features the skins of the Macau Guia Race). For a very tight circuit, those touring cars are fun to drive.

[@benjaminbrockway5998]

The F1 grid is supposedly the best in the world, so why not? /s But, crazy idea, give the Macau GP to a series that pretty much specializes in insanely tight street circuits: Formula E.

[@BungleBare]

Or have the series finale (and possibly the title deciding round as a result) of W Series there? The cars are essentially F3 cars, so should get round the hairpin OK, and having a race at Macau wouldn’t exactly hurt the series’s profile. A stand-alone event, where the cars aren’t just lapping a track used by F1, at a visibly reduced pace, might raise the prestige of the series too.

[@dylanzrim3635]

What even is the point of going to monaco if you won’t race the full track

[@jabber67]

That into really takes you back 🤤

[@jcngokai-76]

I had watched the Macau GP on Hong Kong television back in the 1980s, if I remembered right, that circuit has a few choke points that included the hairpin

[@soldieroffortune308]

There is a video on YT by a guy called kwoloon that shows ralph firman doing laps around the macau track in a Jordan circa 2003-2004. The car fits through the hairpin. Did you know this thing existed? He came out with a laptime around 1:57. Maybe the scans aren't as accurate ? Or were the 2003-2004 cars shorter than anything you have available in your digital paddock?

[@Ikcatcher]

Pretty sure one car is enough to block the entire track if it crashed

[@julian2626]

That's basically what started the 2017 pile up at Macau

[@ashclub1]

Awesome rendition.

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

Were it not for the hairpin, I'd swap Monaco for Macau any day. The straights have plenty of room for side-by-side action. Not a lot else (overtaking-wise) elsewhere, except for it being so technical that at F1 speeds, _only_ the absolute best could manage it through the entire race IMHO. Thanks for showing us this; it explained a lot, even to someone who's watched motorsports for around 50 years! Loved the older car part too 😊 I was surprised at how relatively modern the car that succeeded was. TBH, I was expecting a 1950-60s model. Wasn't it part of the F1 calendar back in the 50s? (I'm not _that_ old so I don't know, and I'm not jumping between apps to look!) I wouldn't mind betting that if given the chance, today's F1 drivers would jump at the chance to race there, even if it meant driving a much smaller car in a post-season, one-off, no points awarded thrash around the track. Maybe an F3 body with an F1 engine? (If that's even possible? I'm sure a few engineers would try 😆) Imagine their faces at the end of the race!

[@slowerthinker]

With the crashes mentioned at the start (the Sophia Flörsch being the _nastiest_ one I've seen this century, and the 2017 GT pile up being being Looney Tunes meets Wacky Races) I am astonished that any racing is allowed to take place there at all. It certainly always looks far worse than Spa in the rain would have been this year.

[@alaeriia01]

The 2017 GT pile-up was one of the funniest crashes I have ever seen.

[@paveloleynikov4715]

That initial d remark is pretty fine provocation. Now we need to unsee some very creative imagery like RS25 in tofu shop livery drifting around current gen cars in Monaco hairpin

[@AndrewGeierMelons]

The Xbox 360 version of Race 07 - Race Pro - allowed passing in that Melco Hairpin. It was always good fun to absolutely send a MINI Cooper Cup car up the inside of another in that corner against AI and watch as they tried to figure it out. The AI would get literally stuck. You could lap the entire field in two laps.

[@floofyasuka]

First time I tried Macau in a game was Ride 4 man it was pretty terrifying lol

[@McPlayer8t]

The first time I showed this track to my dad he was like “Oh yeah that’s narrow. Oh my God, that is narrow! Can they even make that turn?“

[@theabsolutedrive]

It's a great entry into the corner to play chicken on! Who backs out first before there's a big crash!

[@voidraker1736]

The comical shake of the camera at the Jaguar

[@mateagoston8145]

Ralph Firman did it with a 2003 F1 car in real life a couple of times. His fastest lap was 1:55.714 if I am not mistaken.

[@thirdwheel1985au]

1:10 ... which is about here on a map (channelling plainly difficult here)

[@senna3]

It would be fun as hell to drift a World of Outlaws sprint car through the hairpin

[@mauricerose3082]

Need For Speed: Drift, Tokyo Club Track (reminiscent of Macao) "Tokyo Club is a 1.05-mile race track based in Japan. It is one of the 37 race tracks in Need for Speed: Shift, and has another track configuration, Tokyo Circuit. The track features in several Tier 1 to Tier 4 events, and in an Invitational Event. There are 3 Minor Badges involved with this track."

[@anshnayak9870]

its mainly the first and last sectors which are tight and are like macau . the ai gets hella clueless here

[@dylanzrim3635]

Niko Rosberg just did a lap of blister-berg, have you done that track for this series? IMO its how the GP Nurburgring track should have been roughly designed

[@FORZAPOTENZA]

I think you could just about squeeze a late noughties F1 car around the hairpin, the line you took with the Jordan looked a bit more like it opened up the turn.

[@thiagogp2_br]

If you brake a little later on entry of corner i believe it's possible, because the touring and gt cars are larger and do this thing to make the corner....

[@tjroelsma]

In my opinion: - the Red Bull and Alpha Tauri without much problems due to their short wheelbase. - Ferrari and others with more problems due to their somewhat longer wheelbase. - the Mercedes only by drifting it through that corner due to their long wheelbase. Remember that F1 cars steer due to a combination of limited front wheel angling (sorry, couldn't come up with another word) and spinning up to rear wheels to induce a slide.

[@jj72rg]

conclusion ： They should hold a 1990's historic F1 race in Macau - I am calling the government wait

[@JerryCrow]

A great challenge for qualy(red flags), but thats about it. I mean, its hard to overtake, even forbidden in the lesser formulae... But what came to mind is, that it should be ezaf nowadays to crowdsource great circuit design, if we would take fantastic designs and have people test them proper via sim racing...

[@JJfromIA]

I can see where this is going🤣 Also, I wish my driving was half as smooth as yours.

[@epiclyslowcars]

Where did you get that early 2000s Jaguar F1 Car?

[@millennialchicken]

what about other formulas of car around macau? like a prototype or nascar? also would malaysia be a good subject for a video?

[@billmcdonald4335]

Looks exactly like the rFactor version. And yeah, that hairpin's impossible in a modern rig. It's barely possible in the cars that race there. Insane, and I love it. . .

[@Skasaha_]

Further proof that the 191 is the greatest car of all time.

[@Hitical_Crit]

*Sees slightly chubby man in star wars shirt *Looks down sees another slightly chubby man in star wars shirt MAH MAN

[@rieskame]

Macau is awesome. Was at the 2018 race. Would be great if it was on iracing and watch the carnage.

[@stephenbritton9297]

even without the hairpin, it would be another high speed parade like monaco has been of late...

[@ghosthawk7715]

If any track was added to the F1 calendar, they would make it work.

[@vzw5z5]

Jordan or what ever it was called at the time did some demo laps there. Ofc the cars weren’t the battleships they are now. It’s on KZbin and the year was 2003

move the barrier to the right 2-3m and backward on the entry lay down new surface - mission possible. But still little place to overtake and too narrow

[@johnradnell1381]

Could you do a Bathurst lap?

[@timoriekkola]

Why dont you try Ahvenisto circuit in Finland where Keke Rosberg has unofficial track record with his Williams

[@timoriekkola]

fi.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahveniston_moottorirata

[@RenoF1]

Jordan did a lap with an F1 hotlap around macau once. Ralph Firman?

[@notfrom63rdmilsim]

The track only has one overtaking spot. and thats that straight section into t1 thats it

[@milk3013]

looking buff aidan 👍👍

[@senorsoupe]

Racing cars not able to get around a hairpin? A1GP Beijing has entered the chat

[@wehtam61eoj]

2:10? How is the lap record a 2:06.317 in an F3 car? Does the hairpin take that much time off?

[@Ren_1090]

The combination of a professional driver in the F3 car and Aidan having to reverse twice at the hairpin probably made that difference.

[@saintuk70]

09:10 - the Bart Simpson seal of approval.

[@moparman2nd]

Have you tried Road Atlanta as of yet?

[@williamross2579]

Aiden…. Modern F1 at Rouen-Les-Esserts… or Old Brno or Estoril WITH Tanq corner?

[@Glooooooooed]

This looks like it should be a rally stage or street bike track

[@TonyMorel]

A permanent yellow ? Sounds like a rogue marshal to me ;)

[@imnotsteviewonder]

Don't know how wide the car is from the cockpit cam, but it seems like you left a lot of space on the outside on entry

[@shanestanton8]

Indycars at F1 tracks or F1 going round The 24 Hours of Daytona

[@GR345Y]

Laguna Seca. I truly want to see NASCAR and F1 have a go there. Seeing NASCAR at CotA in the rain then at Road America was a dream come true.

[@AidanMillward]

I've already done Laguna.

[@colegrigsby9401]

@@AidanMillward Can you please try to do f1 at the Daytona sports car circuit.

[@RACECAR]

Said F1 lap: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3PRpqpjl7eckNk Also, a real one (Albeit with a much older car) here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5DFiIKajpugmLc And here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGKmioidgsyqhZo As for some Nascar action, This alone tells me that would be fun: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zmizc4iEiZx0r7s

[@kevinprior3549]

You've not done these F1 sims demonstrations for quite a while.

[@minibus9]

awesome video

[@HawlHeed]

It would be funny to take a look at Knockhill, you know just for the craic

[@BungleBare]

An early ‘90s Footwork/Arrows has done some laps of Knockhill, so the F1 cars of approximately the same vintage as the Jordan 191 can negotiate Knockhill’s hairpin too.

[@johngrainger5318]

F1 at the Pau street circuit

[@mpainter22]

How about Cadwell Park?

[@themark443]

Ah the Melco hairpin. Makes Loews look like a freeway.

[@ppercut]

how this track is still used today i have no idear wouldent even take a hire car round that place

[@marcnobel3938]

Just set one Button as Handbrake and the problem is solved. Would be also cool to have one Macau Race where the teams can use a huge Rallye style handbrake leaver. That would be fun to watch in a F1 race. Imagine that picture Hamilton pulling that leaver and drifting around the corner.

[@BungleBare]

If one person near the front messes it up in the opening laps though and you’ve got a guaranteed pile-up taking out almost the whole field. In extreme circumstances, if the leader did it on lap one, you could have a race that lasts 2/3 of a lap, and no car ever passing the start/finish line. If you separated the cars though, and had them do laps on their own as time-attack ……. …… that might just work with your handbrake tweak.

[@williamford9564]

BIG like for this video!

[@artysanmobile]

If the extended wheelbase Cadillac Escalade ‘Soccer Mom Edition’ can’t make the turn, then a modern F1 car can’t either.

[@liamcoggan7373]

Pau? Also I know you’re a Lincolnshire lad, you’ve got to try Cadwell Park surely

[@AidanMillward]

I’m a Black Country lad 😉

[@Cheiff117]

W12 has been released on Iracing mabye another Video>??

[@Batters56]

Obvious question: why not slow down and boot the throttle to spin the rear round?

[@dylanzrim3635]

Takes lots of skill, and a specific car setup to get right

[@bramabull111]

Do Bowmanville!

[@DDFRacer]

So... What I'm hearing you say here is "RaceRoom FR X-90 at Macau" challenge? 🤔

[@AidanMillward]

It would give me an excuse to play race room for once. 😅

[@Sp4rk_56]

You should do f1 at oulton park

[@snowb0l]

Look up "Jordan F1 Macau", the track record might still be unchallenged till this day :)

[@Jedigreeny]

have you heard about Delanclip? its a head tracer cheep mans VR hehe

[@AidanMillward]

I have a track hat

[@Jedigreeny]

@@AidanMillward awesome