Could Captain America be a Spartan? | Lore and Theory

[@rfitzy2575]

If you want more MCU characters for a future video then Black Panther and the Winter Soldier are perfect candidates.

[@zackwerth77]

I thought the same thing but I was thinking he’d probably come to the same conclusion considering they’ve all been shown to be pretty evenly matched

[@alexanderdesocio8081]

I would propose the green goblin as well

[@____________838]

@@alexanderdesocio8081”marvel Spartan-3”, you mean?

[@michaelmitchell247]

Wolverine would be perfect!! The hulk would be hilarious….

[@casertachronicles]

and he could contact wernissage for their spartan armor

[@thanqualthehighseer]

it's a interesting theory; the Spartans were augmented to have greater COMBAT ability but the super soldier serum enhances EVERY aspect of a human body. likely if a Spartan took the serum it would be like a fine tuning of the existing augmentations to be more compatible to individual Spartans biology.

[@jollygoodfellow3957]

The super soldier serum makes good great and bad worse, so it may make Chief mentally unstable because Chief never got a healthy upbringing that instilled him with good morals like Steve. Chief was molded into a weapon of the UNSC so it's possible he would become even more robotic and cold hearted in his thinking.

[@BloodBoiling]

@@jollygoodfellow3957 That's the MCU version of super soldier Serum. The comic book version doesn't have that limitation.

[@NobelSixx]

[@decade9026]

Idk man,out of armor both chief and mcu steve seem to be equal,chief novel feats have nothing that steve hasn’t done,in armor then yes chief or even an average spartan II is much faster and stronger than steve roger which will put them equal to his comic book counterparts

[@renton0915]

​@@decade9026If you've listen to the Video he already surpassed some Spartan IIs parameters in Armor.

[@mustard8714]

Given his smaller size, unparalleled speed and theoretically higher reaction time, he'd make a damn good head hunter

[@John2r1]

He runs at 30 mph that's not at all impressive compared to a Spartan. Also Captain America has had broken bones before so would likely suffer broken bones in either Gen1 or Gen 3 MJOLNIR armor. He could however wear Gen 2 armor tailored to him. Which Gen 2 armor is generally tailored to the individual.

[@mustard8714]

@@John2r1 Thought the video said he ran at near 60 mph

[@alexanderglass2057]

@@John2r1 you're talking comics he is talking MCU because that's what the video is talking about. Which I haven't read the comics but I've seen the animations that get it close to the comics, and he is not as powerful in combat in the marvel animations, his strength really plays towards being a good commander in those.

[@John2r1]

@alexanderglass2057 The comic version was actually stronger than the MCU movies version. Also, the MCU version doesn't explain how the serium works in the first place. Another point with the MCU is that Captain America struggles to fight Tony, aka Ironman. Who is just a human in an exoskeleton made of titanium. Master Chief unarmed would rip Tony apart as would any other Spartan in the time it takes Tony to blink. And that's not a joke. Spartans are described in the lore as being a blur of slashing motion when in combat. " On the top of the bunker, John was a blur of slashing motions. A second guard’s exosuit erupted in a fountain of hydraulic fluid and then collapsed under the armor’s weight. The last guard on the bunker turned to fire at John. Halsey gripped the edge of her chair. “He’s at point-blank range! Even stun rounds can kill at that distance!” As the guard’s gun fired, John sidestepped. The stun rounds slashed through the air, a clean miss. John grabbed the weapon’s armature - twisted - and with a screech of stressed metal, wrenched it free of the exoskeleton. He fired directly into the man’s chest and sent him tumbling off the bunker. The remaining quartet of perimeter guards turned and sprayed the area with suppression fire. A heartbeat later, the lights went out. Mendez cursed and keyed the mike. “Backups. Hit the backup lights now!” A dozen amber floods flickered to life. Not a Spartan was in sight, but the nine trainers were either unconscious or lay immobile in inert battle armor. The red flag was gone." - Halo: The Fall of Reach by Eric Nylund, pp 88-94. That was at age 14 just after augmentation. Those trainers were in Mark 1 exoskeletons capable of running at thirty-two KPH, lift two tons, and have a thirty-millimeter minigun mounted on self-targeting armatures with the latest motion sensors and IR scopes. And needless to say, their armor is quite impervious to standard light weapons. It would have taken two or three platoons of conventional Marines to take that bunker. Spartan 2s at age 14 took it within minutes of starting their attack. There were a total of 9 guards in power armor with 30 mm miniguns. So picture Tony's war machine suits minigun mounted on a more heavily armored exoskeleton. And the Spartans were unarmored and unarmed. So in either case Captain America would have major issues using either Gen 1 or Gen 3 MJOLNIR without extensive augmentation that the serium simply couldn't provide. However with MJOLNIR Gen 2 the armors systems can be calibrated to suit his physiology. Essentially, Captain America would be physically an equal to a Spartan 4 in some regards. What is said about the serium in the MCU is that the Super-Soldier Serum was developed during World War II as a top-secret experiment by Dr. Abraham Erskine. The serum was designed to enhance a person's physical and mental attributes to their peak potential. Peak potential means the peak of their human potential. An absolute peak human in theory can lift 1.5 tons. However in the MCU Captain America runs 26 mph comfortably and sustainably. The 'Fastest Man Alive', Usain Bolt, clocks in at around 28 mph for his 100 meter sprint. Sprinting, Steve could easily surpass 40 mph. According to official Marvel Database, Captain America's full limits of strength is lifting up to 1,200 lbs with maximum effort. So there's your physical stats Captain America can sprint 40 plus mph and lift 1,200lbs according to the MCU. Compare that to a Spartan who can run at 60 plus mph and easily lift over 3 tons unarmored. And you start to understand why MJOLNIR Gen 1 or Gen3 which use the same movement system, would rip Captain America apart. However Gen 2 armor was made for Spartan 4s which unarmored are closer to Captain America's stats.

[@ReklessTW]

@@John2r1 in the video he said the Captain could move at 60 mph

[@askyw69]

Due to Cap's unique augmentations it'd be interesting to see what kind of armor he'd wear. On the one hand his insane natural speed could be improved with specialized armor making him a complete speed demon. On the other hand, his reduced healing ability may cause him to need additional protection compared to the average spartan. Also because of his below average vision for a spartan he may get issued some form of spartan grade "glasses" integrated into his helmet and that sounds hilarious.

[@themastermason1]

At a bare minimum, Cap would fit in with the Spartan IV's. He fits a lot of the criteria for the IV's. The Gen II Mjolnir armor would help compensate for lower augmentations.

[@EagleTopGaming]

Now I want to see a spartan who specializes in using a shield. It would also make sense given the context because of his weaker healing abilities.

[@NauticalCoffin2404]

​@@EagleTopGamingshields... we might be able to integrate that into the Mk5's.

[@slayer6498]

@@NauticalCoffin2404 I Mean LIke A Physical Shield Or Something More Akin To The Jackal Gauntlets?

[@TheCBoysDotCom]

Project CASKLOOM, Type-II A Buckler, and the Deaconcrest Shield Node would all like a word with you @@slayer6498

[@Parocha]

Don’t forget: Cap’s enhancements are 500 years older than Spartans’… and he wasn’t chosen due to genetic superiority; on the contrary, he was inferior in a physical and, maybe, even genetic sense, making the Super Soldier serum even more impressive

[@angerskarin9222]

yes but halo is based on somewhat possible science while cap is stupid comic book none sense, they say he at peak human but does things that are straight impossible even with human peak power.

[@quantumspark343]

I dont think he was inferior in the genetical sense, he was healthy and smart, he was just skinny

[@brunocristobal9441]

@@quantumspark343 Smart yes, but his body was weak and had several illness in the MCU. Not someone you could describe as "healthy"

[@123GOHANZ]

⁠@@quantumspark343Dude was suffering from several illnesses some of which were genetic. He was definitely not cream of the crop material.

[@VunderGuy]

By that 'logic', the Federation from Star Trek would scale below that UNSC because they're 'only' from the 22nd and 23rd century even they scale above the UNSC in basically every respect except for travel speed at this point.

[@soundblaster3852]

A combo of the Spartan program + the super soldier serum would be interesting.

[@Gartos_CZ]

Would spartan even be altered by the serum after he/she was augmented?

[@commentsectionman6231]

SPARTAN program, super soldier serum, CryNet Nanosuit 2.0.

[@scientistx5717]

​@@Gartos_CZaugmentations only cover certain aspects of their biology and often they are biochemichal not genetic while super soldier serum augments all the cells in the body on a genetic level so yeah they would stack

[@jacobweatherford4696]

​@@scientistx5717hell ya i bet of chief got the super serum it would have been him spanking the didact in halo 4 instead of getting tossed around.

[@scientistx5717]

​@@commentsectionman6231monsters I tell you utter monsters also hey there been a discussion about combining the aspects of nano suit and mjolnir in space battles just search this title along with adding space battles Merging the Nanosuit 2 & MJOLNIR armor.

[@richardkenney9636]

Cap is said to be "peak human" after receiving the super soldier serum and the vita ray treatment. Yet he consistently performs feats of strength, agility and endurance that are clearly superhuman, just as the Spartans have done over the course of the franchise. Cap in Powered Armor would be a sight to see. Excellent video, keep it up.

[@decade9026]

I don’t think holding a helicopter in place and jump like 5-8m into the air count as peak human 🗿

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

He's described as the peak of human potential with peak human potential. It's the potential part where they get you, potential could could mean any level of strenght. It's purposely described vague so you dont think too much about it. But overall cap seems in the same strenght, durability and speed range as c'thalla is outside his armor

[@Bladezeromus]

Well, peak human in marvel is basically being able to lift over 1000lbs and lift an elevator.

[@stormichow5325]

That's comic Captain America. In the MCU, Captain America _is_ superhuman, hence the term, "supersoldier". If he were peak human, he wouldn't be holding back an entire helicopter.

[@obiitom]

Peak human could have varying descriptions, peak human could be what an evolved/advanced human could be when the human body and mind are tuned to maximum potential, or it could just be peak all round athlete like how Batman is often described. We are capable of making some rather strong individuals right now, but there would detrimental side effects, look at individuals who pump steroids making themselves really strong but slow/lumbering and putting a massive strain on things like their hearts, they often die of heart failure quite young. Peak human could just means all the pluses without any of the detrimental side effects.

[@segasdreamer]

The one aspect of Steve that I think would counter certain aspects is that it enhances specific thought processes too. Good becomes great, bad becomes worse. So Steve wouldn't have any issues following orders until it clashes with his ideology.

[@GoldLBS]

I'd pay for that thumbnail skin.

[@darthnovii]

I'd honestly be curious to see what additional augmentations Steve Rogers would need to shore up the differences between him and the spartan 2s. It seems he more than meets the musculoskeletal requirements, but since he lacks the neural lace and many of the less physically impressive sensory augmentations, I'd guess he'd need to start with some pretty invasive surgeries which his enhanced physiology would allow him to survive with impunity. Additionally, I'd be very interested in seeing Halsey's reaction to Steve being dumped in the Halo universe and being inducted into the spartan program. In the MCU, we have proof that using Steve's blood, the US was able to reverse engineer the original supersoldier serum, so I have no doubt that Halsey would be able to replicate this feat. How would the introduction of novel chemical augmentation meeting or exceeding many of the physical requirements of the Spartan 2s affect the Spartan 4 and maybe even Spartan 5 programs going forward?

[@VunderGuy]

Seriously. Just stick Cap in an Ironman and you'd get a much better product for a much cheaper and less surgery intensive price.

[@JoseRodriguez-eu5ez]

@@VunderGuy He'd be exactly what the Spartan 3 program was aiming for. Just lacking a few extra parts.

[@VunderGuy]

@@JoseRodriguez-eu5ez No. He'd be WAY MORE than ANY Spartan program in both the lower price tag and lower logistical footprint AND functionality. ANY Spartan programs are the ones lacking 'a few extra parts' compared to even early, baseline, Ironman armors.

[@darklightimages]

The issue is would Halsey have any idea what the hell Vita Rays are? That's the one half of the super soldier program that has yet to be rediscovered. She would have the formula but once Steve tells her about Vita rays and how they work would she be able to recreate them?

[@MinecraftLD10]

@@darklightimages Best she would be able to figure is it is a positively bio-reactive radiation.

[@Kap_Kay]

I always thought Cap was 2-3 times more powerful than a regular human in peak physical condition. I didn't realize just HOW powerful he really is. Makes me enjoy him even more honestly.

[@chadwhitfield6946]

Comics Cap is actually considered the peak of human physicality without being superhuman at this point. The serum made him superhuman originally, but he eventually regressed to where he is now. Example is he can press 900 lbs over his head. It's considered superhuman once you go over 1000. But putting 900 over your head means you can just lift much more.

[@Jondoe297..]

@@chadwhitfield6946cap in comics is superhuman by feats

[@chadwhitfield6946]

@@Jondoe297.. tbf, most totally human superheroes in comics do superhuman feats regularly.

[@miss1ngNo.4o4]

I've always thought of MC and Cap as being very similarly built characters with their augmentations, capabilities, and where they act as being inspirational super soldiers. Seeing an actual comparison is pretty cool

[@proper7439]

Based on how chief is now, they're definitely pretty similar. Remember almost everything in here was when the spartan IIs were 14. Later in CE chief is flipping a 3 ton warthog with seemingly one hand

[@altechelghanforever9906]

@@proper7439 3 tons? That's heavy for a scout vehicle.

[@proper7439]

@@altechelghanforever9906 I thought so too, that's what the wiki said though

[@angerskarin9222]

@@altechelghanforever9906 Its the armor, worthog are still war truck even if they are mostly for scouting.

[@snekkie117]

@@proper7439 cap isnt even close to that strong, he can canonically lift 1,200 pounds at max effort. chief could do that outside of his armor and more easily.

[@TCRP117]

Great video once again, really appreciate the Installation 00 approach being taken to these topics. Cap's drop from a Quinjet into the ocean sans parachute from an indeterminate height at the beginning of The Winter Soldier could yield some interesting results regarding bone and connective tissue strength.

[@robinst-pierre9600]

Imagine a combination of SPARTAN IV augmentation with captain america.

[@CommanderShepard-wq3wo]

It really wouldn’t be much of a difference. The S-IVs are a lot weaker than the S-IIs and S-IIIs. It’s really their armor that allows them to even keep up with the other 2, better Spartans

[@Zenlore6499]

Man, now I miss that old first person Avengers game that was being made ages ago. Imagine tossing a shield around at the Covenant and Banished! And it bounces from one to the other like they’re pinball bumpers!

[@alexr5118]

I always thought caps super soldier serum resembled the Spartan 3s augmentations more, it’s nice to you explore these topics I only ever thought about 😂

[@davidsnyder238]

Aside from the Cap is my favorite MCU character of old comics through modern movies the outcome of your comparison wasn't a surprise. I love that you did this as Steve has always ranked in my eyes with John or the Spartans. In essence not just the original super soldier but truly a Spartan. No I dont want to see a crossover lol. This was however exceptionally well done as I would expect from you. Great job, now time for a sweet William and a glass of Glen.

[@OldScratch81]

Mcu cap makes the team , but comic book cap stomps a hole squad of Spartans

[@Jondoe297..]

True

[@AstroRayGun]

So he technically has a slower healing factor but it doesn't seem to be that relevant as the beating he took from Thanos seemed to be something he could walk off in a few moments. Dude was shot through his stomach twice and was lifting some insane weight. To be able to engage your core that much after it was shot twice suggests a higher healing factor or just some insane pain tolerance/endurance.

[@sekiko7183]

That awkward moment when a WWII super soldier outclasses a futuristic super soldier w/o power armor.

[@NovoCognition]

Now I'm imagining Steve Rogers wearing MJOLNIR while wielding _Mjolnir._ Yeah, I agree with the results of the video that Captain America could be a Spartan.

[@jason-composer]

This was actually an interesting video I didn't know I wanted! Glad to see your content diversifying as long as it's interesting for you 😊

[@armycowboy4313]

Now the question is if Steve Rodger after his super soldier serum. Could he get the Spartan Augmentations and increase his abilities even further.

[@angerskarin9222]

The spartan 2 one no, the spartan 4 yes, they removed a lot of the risky augmentation and made it safer for adults.

[@aryeng3004]

@@angerskarin9222 he'd survive the 2 probably

[@bable6314]

@@aryeng3004 He's too old, though. You need to be in the middle of puberty for the augmentations to work.

[@tlas9574]

@@bable6314you don’t need to be a child to have the augments work, it was just a higher chance of they were kids

[@jessefrank9564]

One video I saw estimated that the metal beam cap was lifting was close to 30+ tons.

[@coltnichols4502]

I sense this is the beginning of a new series

[@Cwronaga216]

You should do a follow-up video diving into exactly how well he could perform based on his Baseline stats if he also went under the Spartan augmentation in addition to his base super soldier abilities. Also how effective would his vibranium Shield be in combat in the Halo Universe and potentially how powerful would his armor be if it was made out of vibranium

[@decade9026]

cap shield will cut through the mjonir armor outershell like a knife through butter though,we saw him multiple time dismembering opponent with just as strong if not stronger defense than a spartan armor such as ultron and his drone,all of them are made from the same material as iron man armor,the mjonir best feats without it shield it stopping pretty much all ballistic projectile from small arm weapon to dmr but high velocity round such as the anti material round of the sniper rife just shred right through it with shield the mjonir can take hit that vaporized other being such as that of the setinel and forerunner monitor and the armor shell is made out of a modified titanium alloy (yes i know johnson wasn't vaporized but probably because spark didnt want to kill him) so i would say the shield will be a very very effective against spartan armor but with a spartan in it probably not so much because bucky can easily catch cap shield so i dont think it would be a problem for most spartan to counter it as long as they don't get hit in the head

[@SurlyDruid07]

This was awesome! I would love a tech comparison between which are better the shields in stargate or halo.

[@WeirdTale]

From a meta point of view Captain America is one of the many inspirations for the Spartan Program. So Captain America can be considered a proto-spartan. But then again placing them in the same universe hardly works because if humanity had achieved a Super Soldier during WWII the Spartan program would have been far beyond anything we can even begin to imagine by the 26th century.

[@Gat720Dua]

Not to mention all the super heroes and villains roaming around XD

[@tmac2744]

@@Gat720Dua ANY version of a Spider-Man would walk over the Spartans, much as I love them. The Spiders are faster, stronger, and more perceptive (except Miguel) than the Spartans, and there are indicators that they heal faster than normal humans as well, though how fast is debatable.

[@lewislewis4240]

@@tmac2744 What gives Spider-Man the advantage over most characters isn’t the speed, strength, intelligence it’s he’s Spider sense if you take that one ability away from him he gets his ass handed in most fights.

[@ineedpowers5151]

​@@lewislewis4240😂 Really!! Bro you know nothing about Spiderman!!

[@ineedpowers5151]

​​@@tmac2744Wait!! HOW Isn't Miguel the one of the Strongest Spiderman

[@amateurcrastinator9523]

I thoroughly enjoyed this video and would absolutely love to see more like it. Though I honestly have no idea who you might compare. On a bit of a side note, it would be very interesting to see a video in which you design a super soldier and armor.

[@The_Viscount]

Arguably, the MCU super serum is superior to the Spartan II augments. It out performs Halsey's work is several areas, but most importantly, it's minimally invasive. We don't have any data on how it would work for people who aren't Steve Rogers, but, if he isn't an anomaly, it's conceivable that the serum would produce a higher rate of success than the Halsey method. That also makes mass production far easier. This seems more in the direction of Forerunner Gene mods like we see in the Forerunner books than the augments we see in the game's.

[@Malpais-Legate]

That Serum is insanely INSANELY overpowered

[@michaelhands3205]

You have posed interesting comparisons with very thought out conclusions. Very well done. Iron Man and Master Chief have their armor, both are impressive. But the comparison I’m interested in is the controlling AI Jarvis and Cortana.

[@bable6314]

Cortana wins, easily. A human brain is not to be trifled with, and Cortana is a human brain freed from its body.

[@articusramos808]

Master chief and Captain America just running around during a morning workout "on your left" brings a smile to me

[@trentrobertson5308]

They should make a Captain America themed armor core

[@drigondii]

Given there are versions of Captain America with a healing factor on par with wolverine and strength on par with hulk, it was probably wise to restrict your consideration to MCU Captain America.

[@ThorStone214]

Ok that “Spartans assemble” was cool

[@RebelOfTheNorm242]

Give cap a cerebral chip, and he can intergrate with mjolnir rather easily. He's basically a suped up spartan3 (chem implants)

[@zatharos6427]

I would like to point out in terms of bone density that there is a bit of inconsistency within the MCU pertaining to the super soldier serum giving enhanced bone density. John Walker who was the second captain America actually had his left arm snapped relatively easily compared to the feats that Steve Roger performed. It is said that the serum Walker took was an even more enhanced version that Steve took which made Walker stronger, faster, and more durable than Rogers was. Thankfully you only looked at Steve’s feats rather than Walker’s but it still goes to show that the MCU is inconsistent with its power scaling for durability and strength of super soldier serum users

[@Jondoe297..]

Is not inconsistent Steve Rogers received the original serum of Eriksen while walker and others received copies that aren’t as good and complete as the original one

[@smackdapanda4116]

It kinda feels like the spartens are already super soldiers and arnt they about as strong as cap, they also honestly make more sense than cap does as far as i can see. They are far more based in possible future science with a small mix of outlandish sci fi. Its one of the reasons spartens are so cool to me, because we may one day have real life spartens.

[@angerskarin9222]

He comparing 14 years old spartans to cap, when they are adult they outclass him by a lot even out of armor, hell chief squatted a worthog size granite boulder while having a fist size hole in one of his leg.

[@jackoherone8172]

Idea for the next video How advanced would be Spartan armors if Stark took part in it And also compare his armors to Spartan armors

[@voomvoom4522]

Bro, even the MCU suits would give the freaking forerunners a run for their money. If were talking comics well... the space Voldemorts had a good run.

[@bable6314]

@@voomvoom4522 Definitely not. Forerunner Combat Skins are so far beyond anything that exists in Marvel. Stark's most advanced armor in or out of comics couldn't scratch real Forerunner equipment.

[@china_sickness7005]

In a raw strength test, I feel like it’s fair to say that cap could snap master chief in half if they were both in civilian clothing

[@Reivanhist]

At the expense of vision and reaction. At Brubaker's run, Steve said that he dodges and fights off bullets so easily because he sees them very easily.

[@VunderGuy]

He's using MCU Cap, not 616/comic book Cap. That would be a stomp in Cap's favor.

[@KaijuBiologist]

Damn. Very IMPRESSIVE video. Excellent analysis of MCU Cap.

[@zacharyfett2491]

I wondered if we were talking about Steve being subjected to the Spartan augmentations as a scrawny kid, or if we were talking about getting the Spartan augmentation after he had received the super soldier serum. Fun video!

[@M1ManOwaR]

I think it's safe to say that Cap, starting from an extremely deficient state before his transformation, versus the Spartan candidates being handpicked for their superior potential to others before augmentation, is impressive in and of itself. The possibly horrifying idea is giving a Spartan the Super Soldier Serum after their initial augmentation; I think that that would require a while new advanced class of Mjönir Armour. Also, missed detail is that Cap's overall mental facilities and senses have been greatly increased, it's never specified by how much, but obviously enough that he never needs tech assist and easily calculated angles on the fly.

[@apex3d595]

Hey install, just wanted to say I appreciate all the work you put into your content and keep it coming! Thank you!

[@chrisherndon3143]

As a huge Captain America fanboy and huge fan of all things halo lore this video hit just right 🫡

[@VeryBeowulf]

I honestly did not expect this conclusion. Like, I imagined he’d likely be a fantastic candidate, perhaps needing only a few minor upgrades, potentially needing bone hardening agents or the ceramic reinforcements.

[@tylerp4130]

Very cool breakdown, well done. I’d be curious to see how the Mjolnir stacks up against the Iron Man armor.

[@VunderGuy]

Poorly. There. Saves you a video. Ironman armor in the MCU starts off significantly better than Spartan armor and only get worse to the point that Ironman by Infinity War and Endgame himself could have turned the tide of Reach, at least until the covvie navy started glassing.

[@tylerp4130]

@@VunderGuy I realize that, but you could have said the same thing about Captain America. I went into this video knowing for sure he could be a spartan but it was still very interesting to see him break everything down and compare it. That’s the fun of these videos.

[@ThunderChild120]

-Suit of power armor -Big and green -Augmented super-soldier -Wields MJOLNIR -Taken at a young age by a shadowy intelligence agency -Skilled at aiming long-range weapons A SPARTAN-II is all six original Avengers in one.

[@seanmcgrath3826]

what I would very much like to see is if Green Arrow, the Punisher, or the Republic Commandos would make for good Spartan program candidates, &which ones they would best fit in with I really most sincerely hope you read this, Installation00

[@slayer6498]

I Mean Punisher Would Make A Good Spartan IV Due To His Previous Special Forces Training, Physical Conditioning, And His Age.

[@tmac2744]

Green Arrow (Oliver Queen), could be either an Orion candidate, or a Spartan IV. He could even have been one of the baselines that the Orion's and II's were measured against, physically and genetically, if he predates the program. If later, his acquired skills would make him a valuable asset to any Spartan IV team, though his mouthiness and lack of respect for a chain of command would probably prevent him from being considered for either program. In short, I would think he would likely be a proto-Orion Candidate. The Punisher is DEFINITELY a Spartan IV, based on his background. While a case could be made for him being an Orion, similar to the one above for Green Arrow, his combat background would fit better with the IVs. In fact, a Punisher aimed at the Covenant and/or forces that are working to attack humanity would be an interesting idea. Getting him going would be no problem. Getting him to STOP would be. As for the Republic Commandos, it would entirely depend on which time frame you are pulling from. The Clone trooper versions would best fit in with the Spartan IIs. The Commandos seen during Episodes IV-VI probably fit better with the IIIs or IVs, and the Commandos post Endor MIGHT fit the Spartan IV category. Just because, Mandalorians would likely fall in the Orion category of Spartans, especially with Jango Fett being the final genetic selection for creating the Clones.

[@bable6314]

@@tmac2744 RC from the Clone Wars would need additional augmentations, but their genetics are likely already superior to the average S-II candidate. They COULD be Spartans, but they can't just jump in MJOLNIR and call it a day like Captain America could.

[@Zhello79]

John: So why is there a Spartan that looks like a bat and another Spartan who has a shield and sports the colors of the American flag? Captian America and Batman: 😐 Cortana: They're your new partners 😃

[@muhamadasyariwicaksono8696]

If you want to be technical, Capt would be considered as a SPARTAN III considering his enhancement was a chemical enhancement baseline....

[@Tallacus]

He was, Stark did give him his own Iron Man armor more then once in the comics

[@Eisen_Jaeger]

Best way I've had Cap's abilities described is take a basket full of Olympic Gold Medalist, throw them together and toss in a few chess masters and military strategists while you're at it.

[@bable6314]

Accurate.

[@Wizard_Pepsi]

So basically, Captain America was effectively a short yet very fast Spartan with poorer eye sight and slower healing capabilities roughly 600 years before the events of Halo CE. That's pretty impressive.

[@reaper.f54u]

man i never thought i'd see a video covering my favorite game series and one of my favorite heroes at the same time.

[@Brian2]

Two things I got* from this. One: You grabbed Shepard being revived from Cerberus in ME2, yeah I saw that. 2: This reminds me of my days of debating this very type of thing with this type of breakdown on SpaceBattles. Well done.

[@thatbr1t1shguy]

You know I think this is a cool idea, seeing if other people from other franchises could be a spartan. Another video could be V or David Martines from Cyberpunk, would be interesting too since they use cybernetic augmentations rather than chemical or biological augmentations.

[@avatar11792]

I've always felt that MCU Captain + Iron Man armor = Master Chief/SPARTAN-IIs. Glad to know my gut feeling on this has some basis in qualitative facts and speculation. I've thought about this kind of stuff for years, always found it interesting that SPARTAN-IIs cover cybernetic augments, MCU Cap covers chemical augments via SSS, and say the Augments like Khan or Julian Bashir from Star Trek cover genetic augments. If you combine all those into a single regimen...that would be something terrifying...

[@nicholasblak3751]

Imagine the Spartans underwent the Super Soldier Serum.🔥🔥🔥

[@tryagainbragg2569]

Really been enjoying how you’ve been experimenting with new video formats keep up the good work

[@artificerdrachen6908]

Only if steve was on ice for 500 years instead of 80

[@brightlord-ov7cm]

Gambit would make a perfect spartan, he could have a silenced automatic rifle and be a silent one-man artillery unit. Absolutely terrifying for anyone that gets bombarded with hìs attack. Also if you look up all of his forms and abilities, this is just a small part of what he could do.

[@malcolmsaint]

Captain america wouldnt even require the surgery, he'd already be suitable for mjolnir.

[@PowerCore20]

For some reason I want to see cap and chief team up

[@estaticethan1752]

Heh 'Stark' Upgrade. Unintended humor. Love it. 10:33

[@OrionKaelinClips]

A versus between Captain America and Master Chief, both out and in comparable armor, would be interesting to see.

[@stormichow5325]

Outside of armor, Cap stomps John. With armor, it can go either way.

[@angerskarin9222]

@@stormichow5325 in what universe? they are about as fast, have about the same reaction speed, but spartan are way stronger and resistant then cap is, all the numbers in this vid are from just after the augmentation when they are 14.

[@draco_1876]

@@angerskarin9222Captain defeated wolverine and fights on Par with black panther.

[@angerskarin9222]

@@draco_1876 So?? they both have a little over human strength and speed nothing major.

[@draco_1876]

@@angerskarin9222 No. Wolverine tanked hits from Thor, Juggernaut and Hulk. Those 3 characters alone are more powerful than the precursors would ever be. Black Panther can survive machine gun fire, fought on Par with blade, Luke cage and hulk as well.

[@Vohtwomax]

As always, sir, another fine addition to the channel! The parts that I appreciate most are when you use actual numbers in your breakdowns of things(most detailed vids, spartan vids, yadda yadda) to illustrate the topic. I do find myself wondering what Cap might be capable of in his own suit of Ironman powered armour, or Mjolnir as well. I always thought it was a huge missed opportunity to not have Cap in his own suit or not have the Hulk re take Thanos in the hulk suit. Oh well, cest la vie.

[@kevinarellano2681]

Imagine Cap and MC working together in the battlefield. Just thinking about it gives me chills. They can both adapt their styles to support each other and watching their 6s while giving punishments to their opponents.

[@nathanwhite2689]

Bucky, Captain America, and Tachalla could all be Spartans. Could you imagine a Vibranium Mjolnir Spartan armor talk about OP af.

[@seanmurphy7183]

It definitely was what I was expecting special with an MCU type of Captain America. I’m surprised you didn’t mention anything about my previous post that scene, and also falcon and the Winter soldier since their primary opponents were super soldiers. As for another character, I kind of have to agree with the others. Black Panther would be a good choice since so we probably be sticking with the MCU versus comic book although maybe trying to compile data on Bucky Barnes wouldn’t be a bad idea as a winter soldier

[@williamalexander4389]

Dr Halsey would have used Cap example. As the stepping stone Template for her SPARTAN program trust that ... HooAh

[@_Xerota_]

I would like to see Wolverine, and Spiderman.

[@temerodiavolo470]

Imagine if Cap wore the Iron Man suit, he would be like a suped up spartan pretty much

[@corysimmons118]

Mostly what I was expecting and I like how you did not generalize the facts most people when comparing them generalize it

[@SanityMechanism]

This was so much nicer than I was expecting it to be. Great video

[@samphadhavihara4035]

I'm left with the impression that Steve would benefit more from a stabilized Extremis upgrade, than he would from the rest of the Spartan upgrades. Extremis was nanobot based iirc, so they could be programmed to "update" his senses to Spartan level, add in the healing factor they provide and you'd just have a short Spartan, but one who'd be a real scrapper, not backing down from anyone and Kelly's new running buddy. 😝 And it's fine that Steve might lag behind in some fields and be ahead in others. Matches the Lore. Kelly was the fastest (John broke her records due to better armour. Stick her in the same and she'd show you who the queen of speed was), Linda the best Sniper, John the luckiest etc etc.

[@bable6314]

EXTREMIS is a virus, but viruses are basically biological nanomachines anyway.

[@Markaintus]

Captain America as a spartan would be right up there with Masters Chief! Only he would probably be focused on preserving human life than going for the mission objective that might sacrifice more human lives. If Chief is the soul of the Halo franchise, Cap would be the heart of it.

[@revanamell1791]

Captain America is pretty much how I imagine Spartans out of Mjolnir.

[@literalsarcasm1830]

How about Spartans wielding the Traveler's Light?

[@wellwhatdidyouexpect3882]

Yes please more content like this and really I’m happy to see whatever you make! Love your analysis style!

[@OrionKaelinClips]

Just reading the title I said yes, but it was nice to see it quantified after watching.

[@beyondthegravemind]

Now imagine stark working with halsey and using the arc reactor tec for the mjlnir armors power source, could that perfect it for the sheilds and capabilities?

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

The same ark reactor that always goes empty when he uses his armor that's nowhere near as advanced as a spartans mjolnir armor? 1 forcefield for less then a minute and the battery is drained

[@beyondthegravemind]

@@youtubestudiosucks978 that's his early ones sure, but the ones toward endgame from the mark 50 or even mark 80 which I would say is more advanced than the mjlnir armor considering he has energy shields as well.

[@bable6314]

​@@youtubestudiosucks978 ​ You're kidding, right? The Mark III Iron Man is at least as advanced as the Mark IV MJOLNIR, and the Arc Reactor is about equal to the micro fusion reactor in MJOLNIR armor.

[@codycurnutt940]

Great video always thought cap fit the deception of a Spartan 3 almost to a T. Got a video idea for you. Spartan time v.s the ''zone'' athlete's and gamers all know. I record my games a lot and there will be times for example someone is thrusting straight at me and i melee them in the visor. when i review the footage its not exactly clear what happened but i remain positive i punched the other guy in the visor. Granted i play on a 240hrtz panel but only record at 60. I think it would be cool to see a video comparing the two to give a better understanding of what its like to be a Spartan.

[@thecatfather857]

Spartan Supersoldiers, meet the Super Spartan.

[@g4cilo]

So Captain America would be even more of a powerhouse than he already is in spartan armor. Even giving Chief a run for his money

[@ericheaton642]

Imagining Steve Rogers in a combat scenario against the covenant is very interesting. I wonder how well his shield is at blocking plasma, I assume his original vibranium shield, would be capable, and given his overall combat prowess using it, he may very well be able to make use of banking the shield off objects, contributing to multiple KIAs in a single throw. Might even be capable of piercing Elite shields and killing them in the process.

[@andromeda7200]

Imagine Spider-Man as a spartan

[@g12gigaman]

This is more or less what I expected imagine hybridizing the processes though I may be misremembering I'm fairly certain kelly 087 can do 65 mph but that's in armor Edit: right number wrong unit of measurement kph not mph

[@Rohirin]

I remember having a conversation along these lines after the 1st or second Captain America Movie. It's best that you stuck to MCU Cap, since the comic version's abilities had some...shenanigans depending on who wrote him.

[@rinehardt6837]

Wow great video. As someone who is a huge captain America fan and has been for most of my life and is someone who has become more and more familiar with halo over the last 5 to 6 years can't say I had not wondered that before lol

[@harveyettritch3387]

I know its cliche but I would love to see installations opinions on space marines and their different chapters fitting into the halo world

[@JGooden762]

The level of deep dive stats on MCU Cap is really impressive! At least with Halo you have the novels and encyclopedia and everything. You just watched the movies and did the math!

[@Spartanunit5]

It’s funny you made this, since after the Chief vs Noble Six video I was hoping for a Chief vs Cap video

[@madjackmaxwell]

Fantastic video. Also that's not taking into account any spartan augmentations he could incorporate into his physiology.

[@fridayrandommedia117]

Great video man. Video idea, “How many Spartans would it take to kill Thor?”

[@jarljorigstad8744]

Awesome video! I’ve always thought so. This is also how I’ve compared Captain America and Spartans to my wife, who isn’t interested in Halo but likes Marvel. Not in such great detail, but essentially that Cap is like a Spartan without their armor.

[@jakrow7082]

I can understand any arguments from comics from either side for Steve being better or worse than a Spartan. But I feel the MCU has a small bit of rule of cool and plot holes/armor problem when it comes to the super capabilities of many of the characters. In the Winter Soldier film, he fought a complete normal, non-super powered French special forces guy, and it lasted way longer than it should have. But I did really enjoyed this video and your commentary. I look forward to more of this type, and the vs, videos.

[@thirdplanet4471]

I heard that originally in the comics the super soldier srrum was meant to make cap a little bit stronger than whatever the physical world in that category was. For example if the world record for brench pressing is 1000 then cap would be able to press around 1500 to maybe 2000. However, as comic books and writers changed then cap was able to do really crazy stuff.

[@jasonturner4269]

I haven't even watched this yet but seeing the title? I know this bout to be a fire ass video 🔥

[@naturalgains4229]

I always assumed the master chief was physically superior to captain America but I guess I didn’t look enough into it. I think the comic version is “peak human” while the MCU version is a super soldier. But peak human always means super human in comic books.