Could Farage Make the Tories Extinct?

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As we get closer to the election, parties are scrambling, trying to convince that they are the right choice. Reform UK is a party we'd generally assume would struggle at this - but their polling is at an astonishing upwards trend. So, what is going on with Reform and could they actually replace the Tories?
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[@RyanDB]

Please don't give Farage credit for destroying the Conservative Party. They've worked so, so hard doing it themselves - they deserve the credit

[@howie6768]

Yeah, you are absolutely correct; although, Farage just might deliver the coup de grâce.

[@michaelathanasiou2030]

Racists must never get anywhere near power in the UK ( we had all this in the 70's with the national front party ) if Frage or Tice are not attacking immigrants they have nothing to say

[@djoldschool]

😂😂

[@rogerwoodhouse7945]

@@djoldschool We live in hope.

[@adrianlloyd6403]

Any party than can give five leaders in a row of Cameron,May,Johnson,Truss and Sunak doesn't deserve to exist any longer.

[@JamesFeenstra]

And please, let it never be forgotten that when the Progressive Conservatives and the Reform Party merged, they originally called themselves the Conservative Reform Alliance Party. It took a couple of weeks of every political satirist in Canada taking the piss for them to realize that they had named themeslves CRAP.

[@AccranLP]

Aren't conservative and reform opposites? Now, I know that party names do not have anything to do with the platform, but you those are opposites in the name.

[@aducharme01]

I mean, the name of one of the two merged parties was already Progressive Conservative...@@AccranLP

[@Maple_Cadian]

@@AccranLP They merged and became the Conservative party of Canada

[@893049004]

@@AccranLPthe Reform part of the Reform Party came from the desire to create a “triple-e” senate (equal, elected, effective) instead of the one that already existed that was non of those things.

[@SPQSpartacus]

I plan to one day start my own consulting company, Business Solutions. Or, BS consulting.

[@albertbrowne8997]

Don't blame Nigel, Richard or anyone else for the extinction of the Tories. The Tories are entirely responsible for their own extinction.

[@DC-YTC]

Richard Tice will cost Reform votes if anything

[@MikeAG333]

The Conservatives will become extinct in the exact same way that Labour did when they were led by Corbyn. If you're older than 8 or 10 you'll remember predictions of Labour's permanent replacement by the Liib Dems. Grow up, and get realistic.

[@douglasstewart3889]

I’ll blame both of them for being vile grifters that have conned the English electorate into causing economic and social disaster, but you’re right. The Tories deserve everything that’s coming and they caused their own demise.

[@jameshenry6855]

The UK voting system severely reduces the chances of any major changes.

[@Outlaw7502]

I believe canada has a similar system

[@Hrtt]

@@Outlaw7502it’s called the first past the post system, it’s mostly used by former British colonies or commonwealth countries. The system is benefiting political elites to win

[@pauljohnson1664]

Until you reach a tipping point.

[@user-eg4dv1bm2e]

Thankfully - imagine if Reform had like 60-70 MPs - the UK would be in ruins!

[@bzuidgeest]

​@@pauljohnson1664a tipping point that never comes, because of strategic voting. Fptp is broken and only meant to keep those in power in power.

[@johnpotts8308]

If you're looking for a new party that displaced an existing one, the best example (in the UK) would be Labour replacing the Liberals as the main opposition to the Tories about a century ago. Though I can't see it happening in today - the Tory party have historically shown a remarkable ability to re-invent themselves over the centuries. I certainly don't believe Reform will displace them, any more than UKIP did.

[@ahtuno]

I think it’s a little different this time, UKIP was a single issue party at a time where people still had faith that Tories would tackle migration and run the economy well. Since then though we’ve seen them crash the economy, lie to the public and have record net migration numbers. People I know who used to be Tory voters are dead set on Reform now (anecdotal I know) but they seem completely disillusioned with Tories ever actually doing anything they say. I guess over a decade of embezzling government funds, making the country a laughing stock and lying to your voter base catches up to you eventually.

[@julianshepherd2038]

Or the SNP replacing Scottish Labour as number 1 and now S Labour replacing the S Tories as number 2

[@kianhorton5186]

@@ahtuno UKIP were also able to attract a lot of support from traditional labour voters whilst Reform seems set on taking more Tory voters.

[@jonevansauthor]

@@julianshepherd2038 yes, the SNP did very well from nationalism, as vile and racist as that is, so I don't see why it wouldn't work for Farage and his identical politics. Pick some outgroups, blame them for everything, hate anyone you class as 'foreign' and only care about your people, whip up some hatred, rinse repeat. It's despicable, but proven.

[@joestraw8870]

I think the point though, was could it happen on the right rather than on the left/centre.

[@johng.1703]

pretty sure that the Tory's don't need any help on that matter.

[@isthereanybodyoutthere9397]

I agree.They are doing a perfect job of self destruction, and long may it continue.

[@1697djh]

The Conservative Party is not exactly “conserving” the country. Will Reform conserve better, who knows?

[@edoardoturco8780]

The idea that a Conservative Party should "conserve" is just a pipe dream; the main idea behind the left and right-wing parties is the differences on how to make their societies progress.

[@wotermelon_]

Their motive is to "conserve" the status quo and wealth of the rich in London, they have done a phenomenal job at it.

[@WhatDoesDStandFor]

With Nigel at the helm, no.

[@wile123456]

They are good at conserving though. Keeping lords and nobility richer and richer, keeping the British tradition alive of inequality and lack of human rights. Also keeping the landlords strong by keeping house pricing ballooning, a modern serfdom for renters paying a tax to landlords just to make their money pit larger.

[@nopants3560]

I'll give you £100 is they win ONE seat !

[@TeaPea111]

Interestingly, it highlights how unfair first past the post is when a party can get such a high percentage of votes but so little representation in parliament. Voting in the UK is a case of voting for what you believe is the least bad option from a choice of two.

[@NaviRyan]

Canada also has first past the post essentially the progressive conservatives knew they were going to lose so they tried to appeal to the middle with Kim Campbell. Who’s just an awful leader she pissed off the last of the progressive conservative base. The reason the seat count change was so dramatic is because reform won the west while Quebec went with bloc and Ontario went with liberals.

[@KnightRaymund]

​@@NaviRyan 16% of the vote only getting 2 seats is still ridiculous. Reform had not much more but was far more concentrated. FPTP sucks.

[@ecnalms851]

FPTP is still better. Less representative yes but it has meant governments can actually get stuff done. Like in 1948 under Clement Attlee with his nationalisation plans, workers rights, and creation of NHS - you seriously think that without the big majority Labour got they would have been able to do this fast and effectively? Just look at Germany - you literally have the green party and the workers party.... in coalition with the business party (see the irony?) Better to have one party in power with a clear manifesto and ideology than multiple parties who are separate parties for a reason in the first place attempting to form a government. It once took 299 days to form a coalition in the Netherlands - ridiculous. FPTP is more efficient with majority governments, reduces influence of extremist parties, and likely more stable as you don't have to worry about coalitions breaking apart.

[@KnightRaymund]

@@ecnalms851 Disagree. There are better systems than FPTP. "Less representative" said like it's no big deal. And no, the UK is not a shining example of the merits of FPTP.

[@ecnalms851]

@@KnightRaymund Well yeah it's a trade off. FPTP is less representative but creates stronger governments for both Labour and the Tories so they can implement their policies.

[@nikolaytsankov9066]

The fundamental problem with FPTP voting is that most votes will be wasted anyway, particularly if there are several parties. A party can only convince their voters that no votes for them will be wasted by.. winning every constituency they run in. Unless of course you switch to proportional representation

[@heycidskyja4668]

Which this country doesn't want. The FPTP has served us well, and the public expressed this during the 2011 Alternative Vote referendum.

[@globuscola]

FPTP is one of the worst methods of voting you could think of though...​@@heycidskyja4668

[@Puter4472]

Yes but FPTP does concentrate power in the centre meaning more extreme parties can't get into power it also (usually) gives us strong one party governments meaning the bigger parties don't need to negotiate with more extreme parties to get into government.

[@nikolaytsankov9066]

@heycidskyja4668 The Alternative Vote fixes some of the problems with FPTP but ultimately falls waaay short of a desirable system, at least for me. If Brits want to stick with fptp that's their choice. But objectively speaking a huge number of votes are wasted in it.

[@JohnR31415]

@@heycidskyja4668 so once decided always decided? FPTP has served us badly, both before and after 2011.

[@VanderWolls]

I’m surprised you didn’t choose to use Labour’s own rise over the Liberal party as an example.

[@giantWario]

The important thing to note here is that the progressive conservative in Canada essentially got killed by two parties, not just one. I'm certain that their name already seems confusing to most British and Americans here, what was a ''progressive conservative''? They were essentially a party that was economically conservative but socially progressive. This was to try to appeal to the Québec electorate. Since both Reform and the Bloc Québécois emerged almost at the same time, it means that they lost the votes of the progressives in Québec and the conservatives in the Prairies at the same time. So basically, I think Reform can't kill the Tories in the UK because they're being attacked by only one party that's trying to appeal to their more right-wing voters. This means that the more center-right Tories led by Sunak will keep filling a role that Reform UK by itself can't take away from them.

[@tomasje]

Very good complement of info, couldn’t have said it better as a quebecois

[@alaeus2310]

Arguably, Starmer is the most "right wing" Labour leader since Blair. This may add some pressure from the left to the tories, though not as much as the canadian situation you described. That said, the "Swing voter" at the moment is not voting for the tories, that's for sure.

[@paulgibbon5991]

@@alaeus2310 I mean, Labour tried an actual left-wing leader and he was comprehensively rejected at the polls. You reap what you sow.

[@alaeus2310]

@@paulgibbon5991 Never said Starmer's positioning is a bad thing. It is well known that any candidate straying too far on the left tends to get horrible media coverage in the UK. Center left labour candidates have more chances to be elected because they're more palatable, but also less prone to media smear, since they're seen as less of a threat to the status quo.

[@alexanderbaldwin1298]

​@paulgibbon5991 Jeremy Corbyn was an actual Ghoul though. He'd never be popular with anyone who did their research on him, just young people who wanted something different. Anybody informed nowadays knows he's a cowardly putin apologist and an anti-semite. He's 'anti-war' but just in the "don't fight back against Eastern dictatorships" way.

[@forianproductions6113]

Actually, this happened in the UK before, although in an insanely extreme condition. The Liberal Party (ancestor of Liberal Democrats) were in power during WW1. This resulted in Labour basically replacing them. Although they weren't wiped out, they definitely lost much of their importance in the politics of the UK.

[@KingAgniKai]

They still exist but they're pretty much irrelevant now

[@alanfrost4661]

And have been a nonentity ever since

[@diegoarmando5489]

​@@KingAgniKaiThey exist as one of the parties that merged to form the Liberal Democrats. The party that calls itself the Liberal Party today is a separate party.

[@KingAgniKai]

@diegoarmando5489 The Library Party of old still exists. A minority didn't agree to the merger and continued the Liberal Party. They even continue the party conference and everything.

[@jonevansauthor]

@@KingAgniKai I'd definitely vote for a library party, as long as they were anti-censorship and pro-library. Sadly, the Liberals are not pro-library, and neither are any of the others, especially not the Labour party.

[@austrolapuis]

That Minecraft TNT made me give a thumbs up haha

[@JadenSt2327]

Finally! Someone who noticed 😅

[@LondongirlMaryam]

Well, for the first time ever in the UK, a political party owns two TV channels, GB News and Talk TV. How is that not illegal?

[@jonkayl9416]

good point

[@OfficialRyanx]

Jesus. The thought of Farage being anywhere near Prime Minister is more terrifying than Priti, Suella and Kemi mixed together.

[@stevedavidson666]

No it's not. It's a total and utter joke. Like the Tories themselves.

[@theman2017inc]

in reality do you really think that’s even possible?

[@Kallikukurinn]

I bet you are a part of a local grooming gang~

[@rogerwoodhouse7945]

Give us one good reason why not Nigel Farage please

[@dariusalexandru9536]

@@rogerwoodhouse7945 have you seen that man ?

[@JoEsMhOe]

Canadian here, and wanted to share some additional info on the PC and Reform merger. There was an internal power struggle within the party for leadership between Peter McKay who represented the PC party of the Conservative Party of Canada and Stephen Harper who led the Reform party of the merged party. Harper eventually won out and most (if not all) the former PC party members left the party which helped shape the modern day Conservative Party of today who now fall closer in line with the Republicans on social issues.

[@diegoarmando5489]

Preston Manning was deeply unpopular East of Manitoba. The problem for the Canadian right was that his candidates still won just enough votes to allow the Liberal Party to sweep Ontario.

[@darkbrightnorth]

Manning and the Reform only managed to win one each east of Manitoba, in most of them the second was the “dead” PC party

[@JohnR31415]

Optimist in me say “I hope so”

[@Idk-ys7rt]

The problem is that Reform would replace the Tories.

[@Geffo555]

@@Idk-ys7rt But with no support from the centre. They would be as unelectable as a far left party.

[@tonyb9735]

I despise the Tories, but I'd still prefer that they outlast Farage, who is beyond despicable.

[@tonyb9735]

@@Geffo555 "They would be as unelectable as a far left party." I hope you're right. By which I mean "correct", obviously.

[@purpledevilr7463]

⁠@@tonyb9735why do you think he’s despicable? I like him.

[@arthurschildgen5522]

I've been watching this for months, thought it was pretty strange how nobody was covering this convergence in the polls.

[@supersuede91]

Let's be honest Reform is the anti-mass immigration and anti-refugee vote.

[@Geffo555]

Farage is just a political vandal. But he would have actually achieved something worthwhile if he brings down the Tories.

[@rogerwoodhouse7945]

And Labour.

[@SexKing-hj9nv]

He's gotten everything right so far the cheeky bastard. I remember listening to him on economics (cos he speaks honestly about them, guessing as he doesnt really have a motive to lie, while knowing LOADS) but STRONGLY disagreeing with leaving the EU. Now look at the EU with its farmer riots, immigration issues and rising authoritarian streak I think the small hit to the economy that brexit caused was worth it; yes I know the economy really got fucked but thats basiclly worldwide we only got an extra 2-4% inflation when comapred with the eu members. I think the UK should stop paying farmers to keep fields empty ASAP and that we need to be expected to start exporting. Ukraine, one of if not europes biggest agricultural exporters is held up in war and now EU and canada is preventing farmers from growing food properly. This only ends with famine, which will only futher spread war and disease. Its been documented before via relgious texts aka the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse, while im not reglious its not hard to see that they got this idea via observation of reality and that when either war, disease or famine takes place the other two can be expected to come shortly after as a result. We had the desease, we are having the war right now so the next thing to expect is a famine and the signs for it are SCREAMING

[@Geffo555]

@@rogerwoodhouse7945 Nah. Just the Tories. Result!

[@Geffo555]

@@SexKing-hj9nv Nige has backed both Putin and Trump over the past year. He'd be leading the movement to re-join if the EU really did go authoritarian.

[@Geffo555]

@@SexKing-hj9nv He has backed both Putin and Trump over the past year. He'd be leading the movement to re-join if the EU really did go authoritarian.

[@Zepheron]

3:14 I was actually playing Minecraft whilst watching this video so the TNT sound going off scared me like you wouldn't believe, holy smoke lol

[@therajaofashbourne8483]

lmfao😂

[@mirola73]

The British electorate will mindlessly keep voting for the two main parties, expecting change that of course will NEVER come. When will we start punishing politicians who do not perform, lie, cheat, commit fraud ? The only thing the British electorate has done is reward these clowns, then yap again about how they behave. the electorate is it's own worst enemy. Give someone else a go, it can't be worse than what it is now.

[@samcad-ho3ze]

This

[@paulgibbon5991]

Problem is if that someone is Nigel Farrage. That man would find it very hard to convince me to leave a burning house.

[@politicoacademia]

Reform actually merged with the Progressive Conservatives in 2003. In 2000, the Reform Party changed its name to the Canadian Reform-Conservative Alliance. Then in 2003 both parties joined together to form the Conservative Party of Canada.

[@RedXlV]

Initially, it was the "Canadian Conservative Reform Alliance". Until they realized that it was easy for people to pretend that it was "Canadian Conservative Reform Alliance Party", or "CCRAP". So they changed the name order to "Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance".

[@jonathantatler]

The tories are completely split, as their current internal war shows, what a gift to the UKs electorate if the simply emploded!

[@michaelandrews4783]

Repalce the word split with shit

[@jonathantatler]

@michaelandrews4783 absolutely, biggest shower of shits I've ever seen in politics for over 50 yrs!

[@dariusalexandru9536]

,,Your vote won t be waste with them " and the subject are british policitans.

[@everest9707]

Regardless of political party, many in the UK have lost faith that the government and the civil service will stop the uncontrolled legal migration - note that is legal, the side of migration that we most have control over. The effects of uncontrolled migration are seen in: - increase of people on benefits. See the governments data of unemployment by ethnicity - despite the image fed to us, white British have the lowest unemployment rate compared to all other ethnicities. - artificially lowering the minimum wage due to an abundance of cheap imported labour. We have parts of the indigenous population that rely heavily on low paid low skilled jobs, and they are having to compete with people who are used to earning below the poverty level of Africa, Indian Subcontinent, Middle East etc - increase in house prices and rental prices - more building on our protected Green Belt land due to the housing pressure - more building on existing buildings and causing social tension as people live cheek by jowl. Legislation has been relaxed to encourage this in building. The UK already has some of the smallest homes, compared to Europe. - increase in violence and crime. There is a general increase, plus some which is specific to certain ethnicities. Knife (and machete) crime is more frequent, however whilst it captures the headlines, many other forms of crime, not typical to the indigenous population are flourishing. The Asian (Indian subcontinent) grooming gangs rap_ing/assaulting/drugging white children. - increased demand for extra policing, in the tens of thousands (look at the different police force's online wanted posters, there is a disproportionately higher number of foreign criminals, especially as a proportion of the population) - increased demand for prison officers, and prison buildings (look at the prison population, where there is again a disproportionately higher number of foreign criminals, especially as a proportion of the population). We are already releasing criminals early, and not imprisoning others, due to a lack of prison places! And the increase in taxes to pay for these. - increased demand on the judiciary. Our courts are blocked with massive queues, and everything is done to delay cases going to the CPS or going to court. We have a lack of staff and buildings. Very serious cases are rarely reaching the CPS or courts, or take years to go through the system. This causes a lack of justice, an increased risk to the population as criminals continue to live amongst us, and it encourages crime (justice needs to be swift to act as a deterrent). - the loss of our capital city London. It is now predominantly populated by people who self identify as belonging to an ethnic minority. You rarely hear English spoken! - greater difficulty in seeing a healthcare professional, be it a GP, Consultant, or dentist - hospitals frequently declaring emergencies as their A&E queues of ambulances with patients stuck in them grow longer. Even hospitals, in areas with a vast majority of white British population, if you go to the A&E it will be full of people from the middle east, Indian subcontinent, and Africa. Often you won't hear English being spoken! - increased burden of disabled children, on healthcare, special education needs, and benefits (both for disability, and for the unemployed mothers that stay at home caring for their disabled children), unnecessarily caused by cousin marriage, from people from the Indian subcontinent - lack of school and university places. Pressures to change what is being taught, to suit a minority religious population - the enormous congestion on all our roads. Even country lanes, which were once peaceful, have now become rat runs - religious and social tension, especially from ethnicities that are not interested in integrating - increased suffering of female children subjected to FGM and child marriage - increased distortion of UK elections, as women from the Indian subcontinent lose their vote to their husbands MORAL QUESTION - is it morally right to import cheap labour to be exploited? And what about those skilled migrants, eg nurses and doctors, that are actually needed in their own country. Is it morally right for the UK to benefit from poorer countries paying to educate and train skilled workers? MENTAL HEALTH BURDEN The effects of a lot of the above pressures, are seen in a rapid increase in mental health problems across all ages, but especially in the young working adults, adults who should if anything, be the most resilient of society. FINANCIAL BURDEN At Budget time in March 2024, the UK National Debt is estimated to be £2.70 trillion! BIRTH RATE FALSE THEORY Some people believe in the theory, that we need to import people because of our lower birth rate, and that there is certain work that we don't want to do. This ignores the fact that we need to increase productivity, especially with automation/robotics/AI (Artificial Intelligence), because other countries will certainly be investing in this. Our population might not apply for very low paid jobs, eg picking fruit and vegetables, or nursing the elderly, but that is because the rates of pay are ridiculously low. Pay a fair wage in an economy that doesn't tilt the table by importing cheap labour! WHAT CAY YOU DO? Please watch, action, and share this KZbin video: A Parliamentary petition to suspend immigration to Britain for five years Regardless of if you think this will give the results that we need, it is important for people to see, that there are many others who share their concerns, and this is one very simple and quick way to do it. Many thanks, and don't forget to share👍

[@KnightRaymund]

Reform and Conservatives officially merged but make no mistake. It was controlled by the further right Reform, moving the whole party to the right. Something similar happened in Alberta when that conservative party split and then came back together. Always further right than where it started.

[@djoldschool]

‘Hopes and prayers’ for that eventuality.

[@RHTeebs]

If anyone wants to know more about the 1993 Canadian General Election, I would highly recommend JJ McCullough's video on Kim Campbell. She was Prime Minister at the time.

[@MatthiaGryffine]

As a Canadian, that is impressive that you would use the rise of the Reform and Bloc Quebecois as a reference for this video. I include the Bloc because their leader was also a part of the PCs before breaking away.

[@darkbrightnorth]

Yeah, plus while the Bloc is left wing these days at the time they were also lead by the centre right.

[@NoMoreToriesAnymore]

A poll in Scotland today is showing the the tories will not win a seat North of the border at this year's general. Come on England keep up.

[@abdaf8706]

Thanks for citing your sources

[@knarfxd4071]

Farage killed the tories the moment he forced them into brexit lmao

[@dadkinson]

"forced" 🤣🤣

[@MikeAG333]

Sheesh... You just wanted the unprepresented majority in the country to quietly sit on their hands forever, right. It was nothing to do with Farage, and everything to do with the Tory right....and then the electorate.

[@dwb1980]

It was Cameron. He thought we would have voted to remain so he brought forward a referendum.

[@petertaylor4647]

reform uk will split the conservative vote and make labours win larger

[@rogerwoodhouse7945]

So what .?The country is finished either way.

[@ronmastrio2798]

And Labour will be just as shit anyone thinking they'll be better than the tories is deluded.

[@euanduthie2333]

Another reason that the Reform party did well in Canada was that it had a regional base where it could hope to win seats- It was strong in Western Canada, and used the seats it won there as a springboard to get into Parliament and replace the PCs. Reform doesn't seem to have such a base yet, although they and UKIP before it have seen their largest successes in South East England.

[@yorkshirepudd7532]

Everything is up for grabs

[@hughjass1044]

As a Canadian, and a Western Canadian in particular, who lived through the early Reform Party period and was even a proud member of it, I can tell you that the rise of the party had less to do with Reform killing off the old PCs as it did with the old PCs committing a spectacular, flaming suicide that we were ready to take advantage of. It has often been said that luck is simply the place where opportunity intersects with preparation so to that extent, Reform were very lucky indeed since they were very well prepared to take full advantage of the spectacular opportunity which fell in their lap. First, a bit of an explainer for non-Canadians who may not know what a "Progressive Conservative" (PC) is. It was, as the name suggests, an actual merger of the old Conservative party and the Progressive party in the early 20th century. That's right; a right wing party merged with what we would today call a far-left party to have a shot at beating the Liberals. Considering its makeup, it's actually a wonder it lasted as long as it did and had the success it did. So what happened? Well, first of all, it's said that opposition parties don't win elections as much as governing parties lose them so the massive victory that the PCs gained in 1984 was down to the historic unpopularity of the outgoing Liberals as much as anything else. It was also due, in no small part, to leader Brian Mulroney's climbing right into bed with the Quebec separatists which any seasoned veteran of Canadian politics will tell you, is akin to climbing into bed with so many vipers. Your fate is sealed; they WILL bite you and you WILL die. It's simply a question of when they strike. That is exactly what happened with the failure of both of the accords mentioned in this video. Accords which were designed to give the separatists anything they wanted to placate them but which outraged the rest of the country. Combined with their near total abandonment of any principle even remotely conservative in nature, (record levels of debt and taxes) the utter betrayal of their traditional western base and their historic levels of corruption and scandal, their fate was inevitable.

[@mrmuttley]

We can but hope

[@popeymadethis]

I'm surprised you made this video without talking about how Labour took over as the opposition to the Tories from the Lib Dems

[@VaucluseVanguard]

Like lots of people, I bet once a year on the Grand National. If my horse does not win my money is 'wasted'. Votes on the other hand are never wasted. Not even in our ridiculous first past the post system, Voting is not a form of betting and it only matters if your 'horse' wins.

[@AGeekTragedy]

Foot didn't irk the centre-left of his party; he irked the right of his party, who were on the centre-left of British politics.

[@mauricemoore6679]

well Boris did that 2 years ago no need for any any healpe

[@The2wanderers]

Worth understanding that it wasn't the constitutional stuff that made the PCs unpopular. It was the GST, which was great tax reform from a technical and economic perspective, but was (and to some extent still is) hugely unpopular.

[@The2wanderers]

The regionalism of the Canadian Reform party is probably also important. Their support was very concentrated in the Prairies, allowing their seat count to outperform their vote share.

[@ZachValkyrie]

One can always hope.

[@themonk_fish]

Don't get my hopes up

[@ElectroMotoko]

If this is the only way to close the borders, then the Reform UK party gives me hope.

[@marksandsmith6778]

Told you

[@ameyas7726]

But can he first defeat his arch nemesis, The Dolphin!?

[@chrissmith6022]

Reform UK is a grift, not a political party

[@earlofdoncaster5018]

So's Donald Trump and yet he became president.

[@acommenter]

To be fair, so are the Tories. Nearly everything they do is part of some scheme to embezzle public money.

[@Geffo555]

@@earlofdoncaster5018 Let's just be thankful that evangelical churches have no political influence in the UK.

[@rogerwoodhouse7945]

@@earlofdoncaster5018 Wrong.Youve just sucked up the lefty propaganda fed you by the media.

[@rogerwoodhouse7945]

@@Geffo555 Like the BLM movement conned the masses eh?

[@davidoldboy5425]

Yes, we hope and pray

[@t.yop9]

UK really about to let Farage destroy them twice 😂😂

[@AaronMichaelLong]

It's not likely. Parliamentary representation is not based on national polling, it's based on voter turnout in each local constituency. Being the second-most popular candidate in Chelmsford means *fuckall*, if you want to win, you've got to win a majority, and most voters are cognizant enough to understand that splitting the vote between Reform and the Tories will simply hand the seat to another competitor. I would probably wait until they have *ANY SEATS AT ALL* before pronouncing the demise of the Tories.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

Meanwhile, Nigel Farage is complaining about Muslims in the military 🤦

[@IainFrame]

No he isn't.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

@@IainFrame literally was yesterday on GB news

[@archvaldor]

FFS people of foreign origin can never seem to do enough to be accepted. Imagine dying for your country and people STILL don't see you as British.

[@b62boom1]

​@@IainFrameDefending Farage will make you look like a d**k, especially if you have to lie to do it.

[@daveogfans413]

@@user-op8fg3ny3j GB news stands for garbage news.

[@MLV79]

Let's be serious. The Tories aren't going extinct. They may lose in the next general but will survive in the long run. It's really, really hard to kill a major party. Especially one nearly 200 years old.

[@nopants3560]

But idiots that vote against their own interests are moving to Reform. The Tories are about 4 factions atm and the GenZ coming into voting age absolutely hate Tories with a vengeance . I don't blame them , Thatcher made it very clear to me that the tories are nasty self serving assholes as I was a teenager at the time. I haven't changed my mind despite being very comfortably off in my 50's. Voting tory will not give me any slight benefits in the Tax realm , and lets face it , The tories have taken us in to the highest tax burden since post WW2 . Still the dumbos harp on about Labour Tax and spend🙄🙄🙄

[@RealUlrichLeland]

It's very unlikely they'd go extinct but entirely possible that they stop being one of the two major parties. Before they merged with the SDP the Liberal Democrats were the Liberal party, which until WW1 was actually the dominant party in British politics for centuries because the Liberal party itself can trace it's origins all the way back to the Whig party that emerged after the English Civil War.

[@polarisnorth4875]

Google the liberal party and the Wiggs

[@whalewatchersa]

In Feb 1989 the USSR and the Eastern Bloc countries were rock solid and had been for most people's lifetimes. Only a madman would claim that they would be gone in 18 months ...

[@michaelmanning5379]

That's what I believed about the Progressive Conservatives in Canada, which could trace their origin back before Confederation in 1867 and the Union of Canada in 1840. The siren call of US-style libertarian republicanism spelled its doom. The Conservative Party of Canada is now the Reform Party in all but name. As proof, recent polling shows that more Liberal Party voters favour remaining a constitutional monarchy than Conservative voters. That was unthinkable 50 years ago.

[@dm9078]

We can hope

[@charliemoore2551]

There's a longstanding misconception about Labour replacing the Liberals. That's not what happened. The dichotomy in the 19th century and the early part of the 20th was between the Tories as the party of the landed and the Whigs/Liberals as the party of the emerging bourgeoisie. Ut was an electorate in which the working class largely didn't have a vote. The Labour Party came about as the working class became enfranchised, not as a replacement for the Liberals. It was the Tory Party becoming more liberal which broke the back of the Liberal Party. People like Churchill, Baldwin, Chamberlain, et al were closer ideologically to Gladstone than to the landed Tories of the 19th century and the middle classes deserted the liberals for them. More importantly, so did the donors. The modern day Conservative Party is actually caught in a three-way pincer. It has the knuckle draggers of Reform on its extreme right flank and Starmer turning Labour into a Tory tribute act in front of it. But it's the Liberal Democrats who are the jokers in the pack. They have already demonstrated that they are to the right of the political spectrum by their participation in the austerity coalition and I think many Tories who are repelled by Reform and the ERG may well be happier to switch their allegiance to them than to Starmer. They are the interesting ones to watch.

[@tysonator111]

As an American, it seems from the outside that alot of Britans feel lied to about Brexit. Why would they support the main guy who lied to them?

[@KTopics]

Because he represents what a larger majority of the people of this country thinks. Its just uniting them in a way to make it effective. And nigel farage is the best example of doing that. Hence why brexit happened in the first place, and hence why he's being talked about to save the party.

[@robstapleton-gt5uh]

English dude here, a lot of Britons were objectively lied to about Brexit, but most Brexit support was based on other stuff too, most notably problems with sovereignty and immigration. Both issues were ultimately tied to the EU. To the people that voted for Brexit based on those two issues, Farage looks like he did nothing wrong, and many have forgotten that he conveniently left the limelight right after getting the result that he championed...

[@robstapleton-gt5uh]

A lot of people feel they didn't get what they voted for as well, so seem to be rallying behind the champion of Brexit because of the wider issues that Brexit/Farage represents. A lot of people don't FEEL lied to (even though they/we were) so much as feel like their desired result was half-assed by incompetent politicians

[@KTopics]

@robstapleton-gt5uh nigel farage was an EU member of Parliament for 25 years. He didn't leave the limelight. He left as an EU member of Parliament because we'd left the EU. The one thing he joined politics in order to do.

[@KTopics]

@robstapleton-gt5uh yes it was based on sovereignty, and yes it was based on immigration. But the reason brexit won is because of white, old school labour voters and traditional tory voters coming together to find a way to express itself. Usually British politics is very split on many different issues. But the one very thing they all had in common was brexit. And with the UK population being still large majority white. There was only really one logical outcome.

[@shamanahaboolist]

If you paint a rat a different shade of blue, it's still a rat.

[@cheesebiscuits6323]

Though I would say this rat is quite a bit worse.

[@ilikelampshades6]

And yet reform speak for the working man a lot more than Labour do. I'm that far left I'm closer to the far right than I am centre left. Feel most aligned to green but couldn't vote for them as they support immigration. Therefore, despite hating most of reform's policies, I'll probably vote for them

[@shamanahaboolist]

@@ilikelampshades6 Paint a rat red it's still a rat.

[@shamanahaboolist]

@@ilikelampshades6 if you're left wing look at The Worker's party. Their manifesto is way better than Reform's.

[@steveharrison4176]

@@ilikelampshades6 How on earth do you work that out ? do tell me the reform policies that speak for the working man ?

[@BULLEAD]

They must be punished for ruining our country.

[@MikeAG333]

That happened only in your head. By your logic, then, it's you who should be punished.

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

True! Reform is needed!

[@watgaz518]

Both Con and Lab are doing a great job of dismantling their respective party. We are seeing now what these 2 are about and it doesnt make for good reading. It is down to individuals who discredit their own party, and there appears to be plenty of them on either side. The uk public want people of integrity, dilligence and common sense, running theie respective countries. What they dont want is inept, ignorant and egotistical MPs who fail in their positions to produce accepable efforts. So you both step aside and allow the UK Reform to take the reins and attempt to do what the other 2 party's cannot do, getting the desired results and wishes for the people who elect them.

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

And that last part is exactly what will happen!

[@LeftLib]

If the Reform party can take votes away from the Tories sufficient to get them under 20%, plus with tactical voting, we could have a scenario that the Lib Dems on 10% could win more seats than the Tories and became the official opposition. I am not saying it is likely, but it is possible. Might be worth looking into?

[@jonevansauthor]

Tactical voting is another way of saying you don't want your party to win the seat. Or, I'm giving you this advice because I'm not supporting your party and want you to gullibly vote for mine when you don't want to. The only thing more stupid is thinking your vote is wasted if your candidate doesn't win.

[@phoenixreborn6065]

Except it'd be even worse than the Tories and that's saying something because Labour and Lib Dems are even more interchangeable than Labour and the Conservatives so there is no real party of opposition.

[@chrispalmer7893]

@@jonevansauthor That's utter nonsense. Sometimes - like now with the Tories or with Trump in the US - stopping the worst possible outcome is more important than pursuing the best possible outcome (all the more so when the best possible outcome is unobtainable). And ultimately, important though voting is, and with alll due respect to the sacrifices made to get us that vote, voting for a loser can be a waste. There is an argument that it has value in a close election, putting the winning candidate on notice that they need to take some account of your views if they want to retain their seat next time around, but if your preferred candidate is thousands of votes behind the winner functionally there is no difference between voting for that candidate and not voting at all.

[@CARL_093]

Its possible and a huge down fall for torries

[@ColinMaxwell-oc1ok]

And labour

[@Willys-Wagon]

UK deserves Farage for PM.

[@policywonk3153]

Oh God, I so hope so😊

[@LordWalsallian]

This actually shows how terribly poor our electoral system is. Seats should match votes.

[@jonevansauthor]

Total nonsense. Not a serious issue with representative democracy. People not voting, and tactical voting, and completely unqualified politicians without STEM degrees and having Bishops in the House of Lords for no reason, are actual problems. PR is completely pointless and a distraction from useful reform.

[@KMRWales]

When seats aren’t proportional to the vote count, the system is broken. No wonder so many in Scotland and Wales want independence.

[@Liberaven]

The only reason the SNP have had influence in Westminster over the past decade is because they have disproportionately benefited from first past the post. There may be other reasons for independence, but the voting system isn't it.

[@jamesoneill2933]

We in Ireland always wanted our independence too.

[@davidorrell764]

What influence? Scotland only has 10% of the MPs of the UK. Scotland has no say whatsoever over it's fiscal or political decisions. It is a union only on name. In reality it's what England wants England gets. ​@@Liberaven

[@Cantbearsed447]

​@@jamesoneill2933and look at you now. Battered in blanchardstown, what a complete waste of time it all was.

[@jamesoneill2933]

@@Cantbearsed447 So long as there is now a border , of sorts , with Britain, we are progressing.

[@NOPEFROG]

Listening on earbuds at work. Was not emotionally prepared for the Minecraft TNT

[@SirWhig-esq.]

Whig resurgence

[@davidboi6609]

I think you mean the Peelites

[@niccolorichter1488]

​@@davidboi6609Peel was a free trader

[@FarmerEnvoyXtreme]

We need an actual conservative party. Not what ever this is that we have had for over a decade.

[@ricardobarahona3939]

Which would fix nothing

[@zUJ7EjVD]

What has conservatism ever done for me. Homophobia, racism, and poor-bashing haven't really helped the economy.

[@wotermelon_]

@@zUJ7EjVD But Brexit is the best thing that happened to Britain!!! (I watch GB news)

[@johng.1703]

oh but you have had a conservative party over the last 14 years. and they have given farmers exactly what they voted for, out of the EU, out of the single market, the ability to plant as many and as much of any crop they like, all you have to do is not believe in "project fear" that said that farmers would be far worse off and that they wouldn't be able to reap their crops or sell those crops when harvested.

[@johng.1703]

@@zUJ7EjVDoh over the last 14 years the conservatives have helped the economy a lot, well they have absolutely helped it tank. but they helped the economy.

[@jurassiccraft883]

honestly hope the two parties cancel each other out causing nearly 50% of the vote (including the greens and lib dems) to go almost completely unaccounted for in parliament. not because I particularly like the labor party but would cause a huge push from across lots of different sectors of the political landscape for a proportional representation system

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

They will. The trend generally speaking is a spike in the left followed by a collapse which is accompanied for in the rise of the right and the fall of moderates. The end result will be a hung parliament, so I don't know what our boy is quoting there, but it's not real.

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

It will. Trends show a spike in the left followed by a collapse as those who abandoned the center right are disillusioned with the left and move further right. Even liebour moved further right in an attempt to maintain the appeal, but it won't work.

[@jurassiccraft883]

I Definitely do not want to see a shift to the right I want to see a proportional representation system which eliminates the need for strategical voting and reduces political apathy. if it takes a reskined tory party to force the hand of parliament then so be it. that said I have no support for reforms political beliefs.

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

@@jurassiccraft883 That's respectable, even though those beliefs are the future. Also trust: as an European, the proportional representation will not remove the apathy. It will increase it since you will see alliances forming to f you over. Polans had one. The Union potentially sabotaged the Dutch to try and remove Geert as a poasibility despite him being what people want etc.

[@user-yb8su9uh3m]

In Canada we has a Reform Party they made it to official opposition when the polls said they would not seat

[@garyianbritton]

Reform and Farage will split the Tory vote and make it easier for Labour to get in, nothing more. They will never get in or become a major party as not enough of the UK are that far right, even if first past the post was not a thing. I would personally prefer proportional representation which would give them a presence as it also would the greens etc.

[@rogerwoodhouse7945]

Just what is 'far right' in your book?

[@garyianbritton]

@@rogerwoodhouse7945 Reform UK.

[@ronmastrio2798]

The same "far right" that gave Boris his majority were betrayed by the tories and would vote for reform over far left pish.

[@RIO-wz8gq]

No, the Tories have made the Tories extinct. Oh wait, reform is full of tories

[@user-nv5ve9ld7t]

No, not really.

[@matthewthiesen6098]

The Reform Party had a sustained successful hold on Western Canada's seat count. This provided some momentum and eventually replaced the PC's as the other electable party. This can't be overlooked in the strength used to merge with the PCs later on.

[@hith2re]

Canada 1993 federal election moment

[@wotermelon_]

Ohh boy get ready for some YT comment sensorship (misspelt I know)

[@polixthepole]

Its possible that reform uk would overtake the conservatives, but some less right wing torie voters will move to lib-dem or labour

[@davidlefranc6240]

Well explained and Brian Mulroney was decent most of the time he comes from our little french Canadian town named Baie - Comeau and he's respected by many of us.

[@ahh_bueno]

Couldn't care less about Tories, frankly. I'm more interested about the Labour Party and its future within 2-3 years after the election, because they won't be able to meet the expectations of their voters. Will their fate be similar to the german S&P, polling 15% right now after 1 year of goverment? We'll see

[@darkbrightnorth]

Reform and the PCs merged in 2003, the Reform turned into the Alliance in 2000 which tried but failed to get PC voters to join.

[@samwatson-tayler2805]

Be careful what you wish for.

[@rogerwoodhouse7945]

Why?

[@devon6941]

Small edit on the Canadian stuff. Reform didn't actually win any seats in '88. They won a by-election in Alberta in '89 which earned them their first seat.

[@MithrandirBam]

5:14 Teams meeting? 😅

[@ronjohnson6916]

Amusingly the first choice of name for the merger between Reform and Conservative in Canada was "Conservative Reform Alliance Party" Oops. Quick change of proposed name.

[@michaelmanning5379]

As an old-style Tory, I can say . . . CRAP it was and CRAP it remains.

[@seanonraet8327]

The fact that people still support farage is beyond me, he's the Brexit guy and brexit has been an utter failure. What do people see in him?

[@rogerwoodhouse7945]

Who says Brexit has been a failure apart from the sad lefties?

[@TimoRutanen]

I think maybe he's been hiding out of sight from the disaster so people forget he played a big part in it ?

[@user-nv5ve9ld7t]

He was never in power when Brexit was implemented, whatever your political it’s completely unfair to blame him. He isn’t even an MP as his party didn’t win a seat, and he has said many times, he thinks the Tories betrayed Brexit and the spirit of Brexit. For example, it was a vote for nationalism and to preserve borders and cultural identity, then Tories increase legal migration to >700k/yr. That’s the biggest betrayal of Brexit if ever there was one.

[@cummerou1]

​@@user-nv5ve9ld7t The issue is that the UK built their entire system around immigration and then tried to shut it down from one day to the next. Doctors from India, nurses from the Philippines, farm workers from Eastern Europe, uni students from everywhere else. Even with the Tories in power, the farming industry has said that only about half of the needed temp work visas that are needed for harvesting crops are actually issued. Now the nurses and GP's are British, and the gov complains about them not being willing to work for poverty wages like the immigrants did. The crops in the fields are rotting because farmers can only afford to pay min wage, and Brits don't want to work in a field all day for min wage. You've gotta pick one, either you can have immigrants which you can pay peanuts, or you can have Brits which you have to pay well. You can't have it both ways.

[@LordBathtub]

​@user-nv5ve9ld7t don't act stupid. MP or not he was still one of the most vocal and televised pro brexit politicians for years before the vote and during the entirety of the run up to it. You're acting like because he wasn't the PM he's completely blameless despite his endless lies and promises of what Brexit would bring. Remember his NHS bus? Or have you conveniently forgotten those lies HE PAINTED ON A BUS. You're either intellectually incapable or willfully ignorant of the impact that Toff nonce had on racist South Englanders and Tory lovers. Pick either one, outcome is the same

[@893049004]

3:20 frankly the Reform Party, which by then has renamed itself the Canadian Alliance Party took over the Progressive Conservative Party not simply merged with it. The socially conservative part of the party, which came from Reform has been the dominant bloc within the party ever since they merged.

[@squee1973]

Didnt think they needed help with that?

[@johntaylor587]

Just vote reform and get rid of liebour and Conservatives !

[@ColinMaxwell-oc1ok]

Totally agree

[@barbarahalkyard1901]

Its just a wasted vote. How will you win seats without M.P.s All your doing is helping labour to a majority.

[@bonariablackie4047]

Honey. Nobody wants to swap thick Tories for loony Tories. Reform will get absolutely nowhere.

[@aktuellyattee8265]

Breaking News: Dozens of aging Tory MPs spotted outside Westminster holding Tiki torches and chanting "FARAGE WILL NOT REPLACE US!!"

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

Lol that's the biggest cope from them I have ever heard. They will get replaced so hard!

[@ronmastrio2798]

@@Wendeta-hq2cp Who's "they"?

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

@@ronmastrio2798 "Dozens of aging tory MPs..."

[@SonsOfSevenless]

missed an opportunity to show an electoral map of the canadian elections and explain the regional aspect of the rise of the reform party and their merger with the tories

[@mansonnanson8294]

One can hope...

[@johnsmith-rs2vk]

Go Nigel , Go !

[@Geffo555]

And don't come back.

[@KTopics]

Nigel farage is doing everything the tories SHOULD be doing. He left the party for a reason. He covered the immigration crisis before anybody. Imagine if he was in charge of the party! Like him or not. Hes a man who gets things done!

[@MikeAG333]

You've not read their manifesto, then. It's pure tripe. Anti-science tripe.

[@chrispalmer7893]

No, he's a man who criticises and makes willd promises but is very careful never to put himself in a situation when he actually has to do anything. He doesn't want power - that's not how he makes his money.

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

True!

[@dieucondorimperial2509]

As a French generally left-wing, I can assure you, don’t celebrate the end of the Tories. What’s coming is much, much worse.

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

The Uk is behind trends yet again. We all moving the *right way!*

[@RedXlV]

I'm still waiting to see how Labour manages to fuck this up. This should be an election that's impossible for them to lose, but never underestimate Labour's ability to fuck up.

[@jamessteel9016]

More likely inaction man will do a grubby deal with Fartridge like Spaffer did in 2019 and not start reform candidates where current Tories are standing for re-election.

[@Burito-tj5ry]

Farage coming back to finish off the UK after the brexit

[@davidgreen6490]

He could make both the Tories and Labour extinct..

[@loopholesloopy]

Replacing the Tories with an even harsher, more extreme right wing party is concerning, I also don't believe that they would be more competent just going by similar parties historically. There's also the chance that Reform and the Conservatives would form a coalition government, so the Tories could hold on by a hair and remain in some kind of power, but now they'd have a more extreme right wing party to placate and causing problems for them. The last thing we need in this horrible economic situation is a fascistic, cruel and economically incompetent party that prides itself on causing suffering to groups it doesn't like.

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

Who would have thought that left-wingers being preoccupied on pricing out lower classes out of carbon intensive stuff, supporting mass migration depressing wages and causing instability or being preoccupied with some perversion of elites would lead to losing support among working class?

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

@@useodyseeorbitchute9450 Surely you gest! Why F-scism appeared exactly in response to the komrades that decided it'd be good to abandon the nation for the International!

[@ScepticalBrit]

Could Farage Make the Tories Extinct? Yes with any luck, then he should find the doors to hell, go there, and never come back.........

[@rogerwoodhouse7945]

Pathetic