Could Finland outgun Russia? | Nils Torvalds

[@ListenToTimesRadio]

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[@JJJJ-gl2uf]

We welcome our Finnish and Swedish brothers and sisters into NATO. They'll make great additions to the world's strongest military alliance.

[@zoolkhan]

tell that to the turks who pull stories about terrorists we would harbor out of their arses...

[@markb1487]

Isn't the world's strongest military China??

[@timothydavidcurp]

Agreed. It will be great to have them - now the Baltic States are truly defensible and that matters hugely.

[@s22t]

BTW this guy is the father of Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux.

[@ja_ma]

BTW I use Arch.

[@dragon10drm]

As a retired combat veteran who hiked through Lapland the Russian will have a very hard time trying to take Finland. The terrain favors greatly the defender.

[@Lindenrd25]

@Мишель Поппинс ☂️Just so you know, your English makes no sense. But thanks for trying 👍

[@chrism415]

I don't think Sarmat even bothers about terrain, actually. .If it can lay waste to countries the size of France, neither humans nor trees would know much about it.

[@kingscorpion2346]

@Мишель Поппинс ☂️ lol 😂 Russian can’t even defeat Ukraine

[@kingscorpion2346]

@Мишель Поппинс ☂️ you live in a Russian garbage propaganda bot tv lol 😂

[@kingscorpion2346]

@Мишель Поппинс ☂️ Russian bot failed I’m north now there failing in east lol 😂

[@michaeledwardnewman]

'A late milking', how accurate. Very Finnish. direct and to the point. Great interview.

[@pjhgerlach]

As a Dutchman I giggled when I heard that.

[@mothratemporalradio517]

Haha i'm not that far into the interview but i appreciate the observation of a recognisable character in his turn of phrase.

[@gjw2204]

I've always personally admired the Scandinavian nations especially Finland and Sweden. It will be a brighter future with them on board in NATO and I wish the people of both those nations a happy , safe and peaceful future in the Alliance! Greetings from the UK 🇬🇧 🇫🇮🇸🇪

[@Titus-as-the-Roman]

Finland by joining NATO risk Russian retaliation but with a military alliance, Finland through appeasement stays neutral yet still risk Russian retaliation, only now must face it by themselves and hope for assistance. I think it is a no-brainer.

[@friedrichjunzt]

exactly!

[@KA-jm2cz]

With Russia you usually get 2 choises: bad and terrible. So better take only bad. Sometimes it is the best.

[@KootersAndCars]

@@KA-jm2cz or we can accept neither of the two and put Russia in their place like an undisciplined child needs to be.

[@jounisuninen]

@@KA-jm2cz Finland can beat invading Russian army on conventional war and has done it before. We only need NATOs nuclear "umbrella".

[@corinnem.239]

If I were Finnish, I would apply ASAP.

[@raywalters243]

Finland & Sweeden joining NATO will give Arctic access to NATO. Big time strategic addition.

[@gargoyles9999]

Canada is already apart of NATO

[@garyhalliday2140]

You mean besides Canada and Alaska etc.

[@raywalters243]

@@garyhalliday2140 Yes....

[@garyhalliday2140]

@@raywalters243 I knew you knew that.

[@RockerFinland]

The Baltic sea would be dominated by NATO aswell

[@iberiksoderblom]

Simple answer to the headline: Yes. The training, the equipment and the resolve of the Finnish are so much better than the Russians. And the Finnish are so much joy to be around. I have high regards for the Finnish people and the Finnish soldiers.

[@ValtteL]

All these dramatic questions, "is it bad" etc. and everytime answer is no. So good. In Finland we have saying: "the Russians threatened again" "oh, it must be wednesday"

[@ukkomies100]

Gold

[@akselristoja3930]

Haha.pikkulauantai .

[@techpiller2558]

Finland does not need to outgun Russia, we outsmart them, we out-excel them in motivation and in our systematic approach to logistics and tactics, taking pride in being disciplined in executing operations with high accuracy. Finland is a land of engineers, Nokia and Linux came from Finland. We are friendly and overly polite, even seeming docile, to a point, to avoid unnecessary and harmful conflict with crazy people. However if threatened, we don't take shti from anyone, and do what needs to be done. The Russian army looks to be currently a disordered band of looters and mercenaries with low motivation and numbers-based tactics, literally mercilessly pushing convoy after convoy of their poor men and tanks as cannon fodder forward to take bits of ground. I don't think the current leadership model in Russia, with the pervading property of corruption inherent, can produce a better-organized army, neither better-equipped, with all the sanctions now. Perhaps that is better for us.

[@nickbarnett8561]

This is the most Scandinavian answer ever and I love it!

[@matasha8038]

Spot on!

[@nickbarnett8561]

@@Memovox Don't bring me down with facts, man

[@nickbarnett8561]

@@Memovox Thank you. You have taught someone something today

[@mothratemporalradio517]

@@Memovox could i please ask why is Finland not considered Scando? I would have made that faux pas within the last 24 hours i think if that's true. So would you say Denmark, Sweden and Norway are Scando? Is Greenland excluded in your thinking or just generally? I'd be interested to know more. Cheers.

[@IslamicOrigins]

I love how Finland treats Russia as if it were just an annoying fly that it can swot away. Russia has proven to the world how militarily weak it is.

[@gamerxplanetx8637]

Nuclear bombs are the only thing that other countries are scared of but everyone knows that when Russia start making nuclear movement, that it will be very consenquential for them that there will be no winner.

[@x7zy-xx]

But why join if the russian military is so bad? Too make yourself a nuclear target?

[@gamerxplanetx8637]

@@x7zy-xx so if Russia does attack and try to level cities like it is doing in Ukraine, they will not be alone.

[@x7zy-xx]

@@gamerxplanetx8637 mainstream media is so false in its reporting

[@IslamicOrigins]

@@x7zy-xx Countries can't live under another country's blackmail or dictat. Better to have some dignity.

[@tellyboy17]

Russia doesn't have an army, it has a horde of people with weapons. It would be suicidal to send what's left of that low moral, undisciplined horde after Ukraine against a large, modern, well motivated army.

[@jerrytroy2677]

True

[@corneliusantonius3108]

Orcs

[@waldemarsikorski4759]

@Jim Koolman Same as in Israel, would you call Israeli army "weekend warriors"?

[@MrJimtimslim]

@Jim Koolman that's all they need against Russia. Terrible army, useless air force and their navy 🤣😅

[@Dragunov_01]

Hahahah. Are you serious right now? Will a small army with zero combat experience be able to oppose the second army in the world with the largest number of nuclear weapons? The Russian army has already shown its military might in Syria and Ukraine (which is now being bombed daily, whose navy has been destroyed, and which are carrying out another wave of mobilization because their meat is running out)

[@n.hermanto9667]

Finland, Sweden and Ukraine should be very well welcome to become NATO members soon. 💪👏❤️

[@markjohnson734]

Lol...not even a question at this point. Outside of tactical nukes Russia cannot compete militarily against modern Western weapons, and even that is a question. Zero chance they achieve any strategic goals in Ukraine even. Finland would mop the floor with an inept and demoralized Russia

[@TheXiguazhi]

The fact that it's obvious now thay they can't compete with western militaries should scare us because Russia sees nuclear weapons as just an extension of their conventional arsenal. If they feel like they'll just get demolished they will use the only other tool in their belt. Especially with a leader that likely won't be around much longer

[@IMBlakeley]

It didn't go so well for the Russians last time.

[@ivanbulgarin4329]

Russia will obliterate Finland in 1-2 days .. that is max Nato will and can’t help Finland What the west is not understanding is that, profound changes are taking place on a geopolitical level meaning , Stop the Propaganda Don’t stay on the way of change , less you are being overrun

[@ivanbulgarin4329]

@@basiltozer9078 No military can stand against the Russian one . None .

[@markjohnson734]

@@basiltozer9078 Don't talk about it. Show us! Bumbling, inept and incompetent is all you can say about Russia so far. Show us this mighty Russian army! Oh and come claim your dead. The piles are stinking up the place! Lol

[@inhocsignovinces8061]

Finland is an extremely hard land to attack, given our geography. For example, if any of the fighting takes place during the winter period, one small mistake will cost your life through freezing to death. I found out that myself during my Finnish army basic training period, when I froze solid to the ground while sleeping in a unit tent during an exercise, with one lung filling with fluids as a result. And that was with a lifetime of living in these conditions already.

[@somethinglikethat2176]

It would also mean that Russia's love of armoured warfare would do it no favours. In addition Finland's artillery will mean Russia's other favour tactic of bombardment will be very difficult to use successfully.

[@johnstirling6597]

Russians found that out in the winter war in 40/41.

[@mikael280]

We had wooden sleeping pads in the tent but they were dug out of the snow and had an inch of ice on their surface. It never melted but we put spruce branches on and slept pretty well. It was -25 degrees Celsius outside, a meter of snow and a beautiful Finnish forest.

[@Tespri]

@@somethinglikethat2176 tanks are outdated concept in modernwarfare. There are so many cheap options to take out expensive tanks now days. Artillery, infantry is the key now days. Though infantry will dominate soon since Israel already developed technology that can destroy grenades and missiles for price of 2 dollars.

[@Mistermies]

@@johnstirling6597 winter war took place 1939-1940.

[@andrewtadd4373]

The russians couldn't even capture enough Finnish land to bury their dead, just like they couldn't in the winter war

[@catherinekeller4230]

Just over 80 years ago the Finnish " "Outsmarted the former " Soviet Union"...so threatening them is not only a dangerous move, but very foolish.

[@EvanBiser]

The Finns have a long history of embarrassing the Russian military

[@Vectar84]

@@catherinekeller4230 outsmart is the wrong word, Russian generals were so idiotic that allowed to huge casualties happen, and still they took away piece of Finland 🤷🏻‍♂️ it’s always goes down to how much country ready to pay for a victory, and Russia usually outbid

[@ArchOfficial]

@@Vectar84 To be fair those lands were given in 1920 and didn't originally belong to Finland after independence. So it's not like land was actually even lost.

[@ArchOfficial]

Not even a joke; the operation to remove the thousands of destroyed vehicles along the main roads leading into Finland from the east would probably take a year or two.

[@el_Litwin]

FULL SUPPORT TO OUR FINNISH BROTHERS AND SWEET FINNISH SISTERS , DEATH TO THE GOLDEN HORDE. KARELIA IS FINLAND! WITH LOVE FROM BELARUS 🏳️❤️🏳️

[@paantimo]

No one wants Karelia back. :D

[@el_Litwin]

@@paantimo some want ) great summerhouse - aria ,) but I see your point

[@mema8777]

Finland does not want Karelia and everybody knows you are a troll.

[@Morwenna1220]

@@paantimo That is because it is now populated with Russians after the fins left. Maybe if they returned it empty?

[@zeroyum1473]

Boy, I wish the US could import Finnish leadership to the US to replace what we have...

[@dawnburns880]

Good for yiou Finland.. Say no to bullies and dictators.Glory to Ukraine

[@dawnburns880]

Thank you Nils for straight talk and analysis. Glory to Ukraine

[@chrism415]

How terrible it must be to have your mind enslaved, yet not even realize the fact.

[@normanblassingame1785]

I really enjoyed this man's knowledge and understanding of the Russians and of the war,in America we get great coverage and commentary but it's nothing like getting it from the intelligent minds that are from Finland and Ukraine because you know you're getting the full truth

[@LRRPFco52]

I still think he doesn't understand Russia though. Even Finns, who share a border and centuries of trade with Russia, don't grasp the Russian culture and mindset unless they go live there. Most Russians barely know where Finland is, and practically none of them have heard about the Winter War. The very few Russians who happen to study military history between the 2 nations only learn that the fascist Finns invaded Russia. I saw this personally on their map in The Central Red Army Museum in Moscow. They show a huge blue arrow coming from Finland towards Saint Petersburg during the "Great Patriotic War against Fascism". There is zero discussion about Stalin attacking and invading Finland in 1939. Russia is portrayed as the victim, who constantly needs to be on their guard against everyone along their borders. They are culturally isolated from reality of the past, and are now being told that as their valiant boys are fighting the Nazis in Ukraine, those crazy Finns are activating militarily against them up in their Northwest flank with NATO, to encircle poor Russia. They don't see anything remotely how we do in the West. Finns are largely ignorant of how drastic the difference is in how information is portrayed. Putin will not be portrayed as an adventurist dictator, but a type of savior who protects them from Ukronazis and fascist Finns joining NATO. They literally are still in a 1940s peasant mentality.

[@hasse102]

@@LRRPFco52 He have lived in Russia for years and even studied national economy in an university in Moscow and also been an correspondent in Russia for the Finnish media for years so I doubt there is an MEP in Brussels that knows Russia better than Nils Torvalds.

[@LRRPFco52]

@@hasse102 That’s strange because I have lived in Russia and Finland, as my mom is from Finland. I was going to qualify my statement with “You have to get away from academic or diplomatic circles in Moscow to see the real countryside and other cities in Russia.” I see the same problem with US and other Western diplomats. They spend most of their time in touristy areas and don’t see the real Russia, then form their opinion on that set of experiences. He also doesn’t want to come across as being remotely sympathetic to Russia, especially now. One thing I noticed about the Russians is that they have a very unified, infantile, peasant mindset where they see themselves both as victims and victors, low self image and extreme pride, a contrast of schizoid personality types when it comes to international relations.

[@marttivuorinen8475]

Get your facts straight. Putin did not call Niinistö. Niinistö called Putin. Before that he Said I am not doing things on secret I Will call him. THAT IS what leader does. And If i may say so..IT might have been tiny hint to Putin who few months ago stated.. "This IS just normal military exersize with Belarus..we have no intention to attack Ukraine" 😃😃

[@bekanav]

Niinistö called him but you can ask if it was right thing to do. Putin is a fascist dictator and shameless liar so he could very well be left in silence. Finland don't have to report or explain him anything. Problem is every transaction you have with that kind of person can be interpreted as a sign of support

[@bigchiponmyshoulder7573]

I like this guy. Honest, practical, knowledgeable and on the button with stuff. Finland and Sweden we welcome you with open arms our brothers and sisters. Bless you alll.

[@CoNeSol]

Erdogan is the best example of using every situation to fleece someone and this is no different

[@boink800]

It's nothing personal, it's just business.

[@Aquelll]

He is just playing domestic policy games. He will fall into fold like authoritarians like him always do under peer pressure. Big words with not much to show for it.

[@tonymirarchi]

I have no hatred for Russia, however, I met many pleasant people from Finland. May the memory of Simo Häyhä and Lauri Törni keep you safe.

[@corinnem.239]

Yes, Finland has quite a modern and formidable armed force with a LOT to offer as a member of NATO. The United States would be very happy to welcome Finland as a NATO member.

[@glenchapman3899]

Thats what makes this so interesting. Not some failed state looking for protection. Finland and Sweden will bring far more to NATO than NATO to brings to them.

[@philipgrabarski3775]

We would all benefit from Finland. Not only the USA.

[@anthonychris9868]

I'm sorry to infringe on your privacy if this appear so. I have read and saw your profile, it's interesting! This message actually express my desire to be one of your friends, can we be friends...??👋👋

[@corinnem.239]

@@philipgrabarski3775 I can only speak on the US

[@chaosXP3RT]

After a battle or attack, the Ukrainian military reflects on its combat operations and works to learn from these moments so that they become more and more effective with each battle. In addition, they've spent years learning from Western military advisors, and now the Ukrainian military is also receiving tons of modern Western military vehicles and equipment. This is a winning strategy, that will see the Ukrainian military become stronger and stronger as time goes on, despite whatever losses and damage the Russian military inflicts. What does Russia do after a battle? They deny anything bad happened and say that everything is going to plan. Then they "exercise" in front of a camera to show to the world. They practice every day for marching in Red Square and argue over which of one of their coolest, newest, high-tech prototype weapons they'll threaten the world with. What did they learn? Nobody knows. Are they gonna be better prepared for the next battle? Doubtful. What did they accomplish? They really showed all those Western teens with a Soviet flag on their wall how badass the Russian military *appears* to be. It's gonna be a rude awakening when in the future, many Russians realize that they killed Ukrainians for nothing and that thousands of dead Russian fathers, brothers, sons and cousins only managed to accelerate the decline of Russia's population and economy.

[@bigbirdearnest6752]

Explain perfectly

[@advancetotabletop5328]

Russia just needs more parades to win this not-war! 😂

[@leecrump9404]

Finland is awesome I'm glad that they are joining NATO they have already been helping NATO for a long time now anyway so I think it's great for Finland and NATO Putin has no one to blame but himself for this there was no reason on God's green earth for him to invade Ukraine further war is not and will never be the answer to solving problems it only leads to death and destruction

[@kbpeters4246]

Update: Turkey has walked back those comments and has now stated they would not oppose Finland. All they wanted was to raise certain concerns that have recently been addressed. They also want in exchange for Turkey's cooperation, assurances that NATO would help Turkey fight off PKK and FETO. That's blackmail to me.

[@AndyWoohoo666]

Yes this stunt by Turkey is nothing but an attempt of blackmail. They do not like Sweden and Finland for them supporting the Kurds and for them saying no to Turkish membership in the EU. If Turkey was to apply for NATO membership today they would not be granted because of democracy issues however Turkey is important just because of their strategic location and nothing else.

[@ChuckAmadi]

Hopefully the Turkish Elections will oust Erdoğan and his Authoritarian type Party

[@luiul1]

that's turkey being turkey. was. is. will be.

[@johnowl6070]

And now Edrogan says no again. 😂

[@kbpeters4246]

@@johnowl6070 blackmail

[@juhahonkanen9222]

Proud to be Finn on these historical times

[@christophernicolson5086]

I very much want to visit Finland now. They sound awesome

[@SorbusAucubaria]

we are awesome. :D Visit Helsinki during summer, and Lapland during winter (I think February is the best). Avoid Finland and especially Helsinki during November, The finnish name for November is marraskuu and "marras" is basically an old term for death or dying. So marraskuu means "death month". So that should tell you everything about that month. Big country, lots of beutiful nature to experience, but only about 6 million people, with biggest city our capital Helsinki with about 600 000 inhabitants. I think our food is good, but Italian prime minister Berlusconi once said we have apalling cuisine. So be warned. Although during that time one Finnish company entered into world pizza competition and won the first prize with their pizza Berlusconi. So we do make the worlds best pizza at least.

[@alaingabriel1710]

@@SorbusAucubaria Don't forget the pretty girls in Finland! I have visited Finland after visiting Denmark, Norway and Sweden. I have found more pretty girls in Finland than in any of the other Scandinavian countries.

[@christophernicolson5086]

@@SorbusAucubaria Thanks for the tips

[@rskb1957]

It would be wonderful if the journalists covering the story would consider the complicated history of Finland and Russia. It must be very difficult for Finland, given that it was a Duchy within Russia until the Revolution, that it was invaded by Russia during the 2nd World War, that it had to consider its position as an immediate neighbour of the USSR. As a student of history, I find it annoying that journalists appear to treat a development like this as if it occurred in a vacuum.

[@esmenhamaire6398]

Also, how the Finns were treated within that Duchy relied entirely on the whims of the current Tsar. Some were laissez-faire, but others actively tried to Russify Finland, banning the Finnish language, etc. Unsurprisingly, this didn't sit well with the Finns.

[@davidcrandall4958]

Robert thank you for the information! I hope those that read your post do even more research on this topic!

[@alsatiancousin2905]

You are right. However I doubt it's due to lack of knowledge - rather the span of time and the perceived lack of attention span from the viewers to take things so far back. The development has been gradual, of course, as someone who chose civil service instead of conscription in the late 1990s I made my choice according to the information available to me at the time. Now having been forced into a situation where another choice has to be made separate from the one I made 25 years ago, with the empiric evidence I have now, I agree with NATO. But it all changed in a day really.

[@alsatiancousin2905]

What most people don't understand is pacifism really means that taking up arms is the last resort. Conscientious objector is a different animal altogether, although I respect both ideas.

[@Raimond799]

Wise guy and a father of famous Linus Torvalds.

[@joelhammer3538]

Oh really? Kewl...

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

The only thing russia has are too many nukes. That's literally the only thing preventing nato from demolishing everything they have in Ukraine. As for Finland, their quality and preparations are WAY better....

[@Jan_von_Gratschoff]

Yup, Russia has them nukes, but if we've learned anything of the Russian military lately, it's that there's no way of knowing how many of their nukes are even in operating condition. Either way, Putin knows full well that if he launches nuke 1, his "great Russia" is going to become very hot and very small real quick.

[@jamiejesson7527]

NATO would nuke Russia

[@stevewhite3424]

@@Memovox The Russians have test launched exactly ONE sarmat missile and that was 3 weeks ago. If you believe their claims to field them later this year then I have some Wyoming beachfront property to sell you.

[@nonamesplease6288]

Somewhere, deep down inside, the Russians are truly afraid of Finland and the brave defenders of Finland. Finland in NATO gives them nightmares. And why not? The Finns did the same thing to the Soviet Union that Ukraine is doing to Russia now and they did it without much international help. Welcome to NATO, Finland! You're a welcome addition to the family.

[@mcconlogue1898]

People don't realize how strong the Finnish armed forces are. They could defeat Russia by themselves.

[@denbover937]

Is that why the snow were speaking finnish?

[@keithparker2206]

They did once before!

[@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059]

Look up the Winter War....

[@K37-h1z]

Have Mosin nagant, will travel

[@NemeanLion-]

That’s a pretty bold statement to the second most powerful military in the world. I have no doubt Finland would be more organized, but if Russia weren’t already weakened by Ukraine and not rushing to impress on the world stage, Finland would be in a lot of trouble.

[@Don-qb1vi]

Amazing questions as always. My new favorite channel on my sub list.

[@ericconnor8419]

It would be good if Finland joins NATO. They have a solid military history.

[@Memovox]

Yes, Adolf loved those guys.

[@millmoormichael6630]

@@Memovox Russia had a deal with the Nazis. Not like Finns had a choice.

[@finntastique3891]

@@Memovox We didn't like Adolf, but there was no help coming from elsewhere!

[@MRtapio5]

@@Memovox well Finland never was Part of The axis. And finns didn't have other choice

[@phbrinsden]

Thank you for your great insights Nils.

[@soriemansaray8966]

The Russian caused this mess

[@davidcrandall4958]

This segment is fantastic

[@el_Litwin]

the NEXT STEP FOR FINLAND, ITS TO GET KARELIA BACK ! I LIKE THIS DEVELOPMENT , FULL SUPPORT TO OUR FINNISH BROTHERS AND SWEET FINNISH SISTERS , DEATH TO THE GOLDEN HORDE. KARELIA IS FINLAND! WITH LOVE FROM BELARUS 🏳️❤️🏳️

[@ruse3436]

we dont want any land back anymore its poisoned and ruined by russia , and we dont want any russians that live in those regions either so no point, we just want peace

[@leedixon3544]

Another top programme!

[@virinderdogra6086]

Avery bold and pragmatic decision making by Finland and Sweden to join NATO. After witnessing Russians barbaric and inhumane invasion with bombings of civilians areas ,it become duty of world democracies to come together to be more secure and discourage expansionist powers like Russia and China.

[@dennishainsworth9432]

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[@peterrezac881]

What about the barbaric and inhumane invasion with bombing civilians areas in Iraq, Syria, Afganistan, Lybia, Somalia, done be the barbaric countries of the US and NATO's? What about the Ukrainien barbaric and inhumane bombing of civilians in easter Ukraine in the past 8 years, where 14 000 innocent civilian people and children lost their lifes? There is nothing more barbaric than killing their own people. Wake up you fool.

[@assertivekarma1909]

Besides collective defense/security, it's also a good platform for International cooperation & innovation. Turkey needs to act reasonably, otw they may find themselves on the out. Finland & Sweden should be in NATO. Hopefully Ukraine can be in the future also. Hopefully Russia can have good relations some day as well.

[@SorbusAucubaria]

Turkie is situated in strategic place when you look at it, so I think it would be important to have Turey as an ally. It is a shame that Turkey's president is playing the zero sum game and authoritan leadership instead of co-operation. We shall see what happens though.

[@kreb7]

@@SorbusAucubaria Actualy since the Alexandriupoli port it make it less important. Also if Greece activates UNCLOS Greece will be also able to block Acess to dardanelles

[@Aquelll]

@@SorbusAucubaria Erdogan is just playing domestic policy games. He will fall into fold like authoritarians like him always do under peer pressure. They have big words but not much to show for it.

[@draghicistefan1984]

Welcome to the NATO family! Full support for the finns and swedes from Romania! ✌

[@sancho7863]

After this ukraine debacle, i think russia is just going to stay home for a while

[@wilfriedholscher7029]

And re-think their Opinions of the Western World and question their type Leadership.

[@tellyboy17]

Agreed, I think Putin knows by now that he doesn't actually have an army, just a horde of people with weapons which isn't quite the same thing.

[@tellyboy17]

@@Memovox Keep, dreaming. There is only so much low moral, undisciplined orcs with ratty equipment, poor logistics, ill devised organizational structures, high levels of corruption in the higher ranks a toxic army culture and nothing to fight for but a bunch of corrupt kleptocrats with delusions of grandeur can do and it's nothing beyond making some minor gains in WW1 style trench warfare, while losing territory on other fronts. Until the Western heavy weapons start to arrive, that's when the rout starts.

[@hankstevens4194]

Good interview, but all these journalists love the doomsday scenarios. Russian military might has been exposed and Mr. Torvalds calmly explains why. Unless Putin is ok with worldwide nuclear destruction, he has no ability to threaten Finland on a conventional scale.

[@rogeryelverton5661]

I willing to bet that Norway 🇳🇴 and Sweden will help Finland 🇫🇮

[@Red-Brick-Dream]

Most civilized nation-states could, yes. But unlike most of them, Finland has already done it, at a time when it was far weaker than it is now, and Russia was far stronger.

[@amancalleddave.3547]

They wouldn't even be able to see Finnish army.. the snow camo is too good :P

[@juliuswaithera6039]

World is changing ....and with it has this interesting guy. He was a member of the Finnish Communist party , and did study in Russia in his youth. I liked his journalistic work some years back

[@hymns4ever197]

I like this guy. He is confident about their military capabilities, but very level-headed.

[@TheJorif]

Finns often are. No noncens.

[@choopa1670]

I would back Finland 👌🏽👍🏽

[@joelhammer3538]

Welcome, Suomi💙🇫🇮 From🇩🇰

[@louisavondart9178]

Finland remembers the " Winter War " against the Soviet union. The RuZZians seem to have forgotten how the Soviets got wrecked. The Finns are much better prepared these days and RuZZia isn't. They have the second best army in Ukraine and Finland would finish them off for good.

[@Taulussa]

This is the dad of Linus Torvalds, the creator of linux.

[@afterlifewelcomesyoutofore2992]

Finish air force all are with in range of a Russian nuclear power plant. Something Russia Putin needs to think about if it invades Finland.

[@millmoormichael6630]

Our special jaegers could probably locate a few ICBM’s 😅

[@lbb101]

The Finish army is a very formidable force -it may look small with 21,500 active personell and 23,000 border guards, but they have maybe the most advanced rapid mobilization system with a wartime strength of 280k+ extremely fast. That's for just 5,5 million people. And that's not even all: 900k plus received some military training ... It is as if the US had an active force of 1.3 million soldiers but could activate enough reserves in days to grow to 16.7 million soldiers. And 53 million received at least some military training. Then: the specifically trained to "hunt" Russians in the vast forests of the north with anti-platform weapons and snipers. I think attacking Finland is the dumbest thing Russia could do. Not talking their amazing network of bunkers.

[@stephennoble]

The way Russia is performing yes 🙌 🤔

[@lobbomaude9924]

A good man, He spoke well of his country

[@anthonyedwards286]

Much much love, best regards..... and the very best wishes to the country and people of Finland. As for the opposition of the leader Turkey to Finland joining NATO, the practical effect (s) of any such opposition IS moot....as Finland now has the ability to establish bilateral military relations with practically each and every other member of NATO....in the very same manner that it has already done with England, and even accomplish same in less time than it would take NATO to come to a final decision on its application for membership. As to a potential attack or invasion by Russian forces, at this time, it would not only fail, the fact is that its military would be reduced to such an extent that it would no longer be a threat to any other nation, large or small. And, finally, as to Putin's repeated threats regarding the use of Nuclear weapons, the actual use of any such weapons would give his opponents the right to make Moscow and most of Russia unlivable for a very very very long time. And on a more personal level, my response to Vladimir Putin would be the same as that of my Ukrainian friends on Snake Island, ie;. ......F... You.! Once again, to my brothers and sisters from Finland I say...much love, best regards and best wishes from yours truly. Tony St Vincent and the Grenadines.

[@reyhogo9399]

Yes with strong spirit

[@davidbrisbane7206]

It's a well know military strategy of losers that they open a second front whilst they are being crushed on their original front.

[@davidbrisbane7206]

@bruce parka Yup. It will be like being a German solider being transferred to the Eastern front in WWII.

[@adrienpetryka1682]

Finland can "handle" Russians with or without NATO. They have done it many time before...

[@keithkuckler2551]

The Finns, could invite some NATO forces into the country before they are officialy part of the alliance. They and NATO could call this a "joint training excercise". It would allow NATO to bring in equiptment and men, for the interim period. This would put another trip wire in place for the Russian. The Swedes if they joined would add the best navy in the Baltic, the Baltic would become a NATO lake, and, prevent any Russian naval force from being effective. Putin's worst nighmare is about to happen, and, it is all his own fault.

[@somethinglikethat2176]

The UK and US have already announced security guarantees for Finland.

[@theanthillfromknow.theanop3960]

Germany and netherlands to. They back the fins to

[@glenchapman3899]

@@theanthillfromknow.theanop3960 Yeah Finland has already joined the NOT NATO organization lol

[@GT-tj1qg]

Finland is an even harsher landscape than Russia. Easier to defend than Ukraine.

[@CarnisChampion]

Yes. and with Nato oh very yes!

[@mothratemporalradio517]

0:53 Oh, so there was actually a vote? And had Putler made nuclear threats at that stage? This is the type of process i've been looking for and have found lacking where decisions associated with nuclear threat is concerned. So it's good to know the Finnish people were at least partially consulted, if the public were aware of the nuke threat, i guess that becomes "fully", which is better. I myself am extremely worried Putler is about to fly off the handle.

[@gdwnet]

Could Finland outgun russia? An american gun club could outgun russia!

[@dawnburns880]

lol.. cool. glory to Ukraine

[@gdwnet]

@@Memovox _Didn't Brandon steal your election_ Brandon whom? Brandon Lewis the Sec of state for Northern Ireland? I'm English you daft person.

[@corinnem.239]

I hope you are correct about Turkey & Hungary.

[@wilfriedholscher7029]

Alle Achtung Finnland 🇫🇮 !!!

[@phil20_20]

"A late milking." Good one! 🤣🤠

[@phbrinsden]

After the Ukraine debacle Russia would find it hard to start a war with the local grocery store. They have lost a load of hardware already. There are also three huge differences. Finland would have the advantage of defending homeland against an aggressor (and they know all about that), they have far better educated and smart troops and, finally, they have the command structure of a strong democracy.

[@Davyjones5454]

Finland cannot outgun Russia without Nuclear Weapons. If Finland truly want to deter Russia, it would have to get Nuclear Weapons by her own.

[@mikaseppanen1632]

FCK Sake Look the Map.??

[@davidjb3671]

The Finnish military is larger and better equipped than the UK's, so Boris was only there trying to build his image.

[@duncanhamilton5841]

Safe to assume he's only anywhere to boost his image

[@baldersn4474]

Jesus how sad is that lol..Rule Brittania lol

[@somethinglikethat2176]

British air power would be the biggest thing in the early stages of a Finnish-Russian War. Of course they have a lot more than that but that would be the most decisive early on.

[@davidjb3671]

@@somethinglikethat2176 Finland has ordered 64 F35's, but it's now rumoured the UK may only be getting as few as 60. With the current state of UK finances what's the betting those may be delayed or the number go even lower.

[@tanja5542]

But uk got nukes, what we dont have.

[@YordanGeorgiev]

Besides all, this man is Linus Torvalds' father (aka the creator of Linux OS )

[@catherinekeller4230]

Heavy, heavy, load for Putin...i would not like to be in his shoes, be it 1 year or 10 another lifetime or several this is a law he will never be able to escape & that is " The law of Karma"

[@elftax]

Typical UK media celebrating and cheerleading Boris signing the defense agreement with Finland without mentioning the reason why it is alone in EU in doing so. Finland is part of EU and it’s aid & defense is guaranteed with 26 other countries, Britain is no longer a member of the EU and thus had to make a separate treaty with Finland, it’s nothing special or amazing but another Brexit bonanza in wasted time & effort that the Leaders are having to make, it’s just fortunate that Britain doesn’t have any other domestic crisis that urgently require Boris’ time…

[@FyodorUshakovSuka]

Actually best thing would be if we can keep good reationship with all our neigbour what ever the situation is.

[@ArchOfficial]

Unfortunately that is for Russia to decide, not for Finland. Russia decided the relationship is bad.

[@EnglishLawyer]

Wekk said Nils. Great to see Finland standing up to that silly little bully Putin.

[@reyhogo9399]

Yes putin can't even finish his breakfast in Ukraine

[@dawnburns880]

ya converting rthe other countries was his next step after Ukraine.. looks like Putin not make it in time. shame. Shame more that mother Russia has you as a leader. worst in the world. Glory to Ukraine

[@ignazioperfetto4814]

Finland a great country with great peoples, welcome to NATO.

[@Go-ah-oold]

I wonder if not would be time for Finland to occupy the Scandinavian peninsula. I think they would be able to do it, and snap Kola and Karjala out of Russian hands. That would make Russia actually louse what it cares about: territory, and it would be a very valuable lesson to learn for Russia: aggression is risky, you can lose territory, so, maybe, do not do that in the future. thousand years of constant, non stop, aggression, is what defines Russia, without much loss (other then manpower, but, Russia does not care about such things, it never has). Here is a unique opportunity to reverse that, which could be historic, and for the first time in thousand years snap away what Russian dictator/czar cares about.

[@ValtteL]

Absolutely not. We don't want Karjala back, we have zero interest to attack anyone. We are peaceful people.

[@joelhammer3538]

At least get your geography right. The Scandinavian peninsula consists of Sweden and Norway, you tool.

[@gregharwho62]

Finland does not seek war. Only reason we have an army is to defend ourselves.

[@Go-ah-oold]

@@gregharwho62 What I have heard and read, is that about 0,6 of the population wants to join NATO. NATO, per definition, is a defensive alliance, so far, so good. However, even if you do not know everything about NATO, one simple rule should be mandatory knowledge in Europe: attack on one, is an attack on all. That, per definition, means, that any NATO-country that gets attacked, drags every other country into war. If Finnish people do only, and under no other theoretical thinkable circumstance ever in the lifespan of the Universe (which is what you are suggesting) wants to come to any other nations defense what so ever ("Only reason we have an army is to defend ourselves", that is what you write, so, it is your statement, not mine), then there are two possibilities. Either, you are wrong, or, 0,6 percent, which is the majority, of the Finnish population, has no Idea what NATO is about, and are therefore porly informed, only act with emotions and are unable to draw logical conclusions. One of them has to be true, but I do not know which one.

[@gregharwho62]

​@@Go-ah-oold Key word here is defending. Again, we are built to defend our grounds, not to occupy others.

[@phbrinsden]

The biggest motivation for Russia NOT to invade Finland is that they would lose the land they took in 1941 !! Better not to mess with the Finns.

[@DavidMartin-ws9es]

The Finn's have a larger army than the UK and probably better funded. As was stated the Turks want the US to throw them a bone. Come on in, the security's lovely 👍

[@jonathanbowen3640]

Its definitely not better funded than the Uk military! No idea where you got that from. Finland defence budget €5.8 billion (2022) UK Defense , defense budget £42.4 billion 2020/21 Really nowhere near each other. Also the "larger army" is a red herring. In terms of active personnel i.e professionals. Finland 23,000 UK 194,000 Finland has a larger reserve force at almost a million, but these are not working professionals, and the UK with its larger population could quickly ramp up, train it's forces if required. Uk tends to rank in the top 10 out of roughly 140nations on conventional forces alone. Finland doesn't even make the top 50 in similar rankings. And that's before you take into account nuclear weapons, which the UK has but the Fins do not. I know that the narrative is Russia is useless , Finland are better trained and could repell them, but I really doubt they could. The UK couldn't prevent Russian forces doing massive damage to the UK either. Russia has an incredible number of missiles. Lets just be serious realistic and not get excited and emotional. Number matter. Russia has take huge amounts of territory in the Ukraine and almost landlocked the country, it owns most of the coast now. Sure thier capibilties are poor in some contexts but their overwhelming numbers mean that they have bitten off the most important parts of Ukraine and will never give them back, all of Ukraine oil and gas belongs to Putin, and also Russia will own all of the coastline also, so all food exports will be controlled by Russia. People don't seem to get it. Russia is winning and has massive massive numbers of personal and weapons.

[@gregharwho62]

@@jonathanbowen3640 Military in Finland is built to defend Finland.

[@hifinsword]

You don't think Putin will make a mistake and he will realize Russia cannot win a war in Finland. But if his recent decisions are any guide, he has made one mistake after the other, overestimating his military's might and capability, and hugely underestimating Ukraine's capability to fight and win.

[@leslouisson99]

The Russian Bear 🐻 has shown itself to be a Koala Bear

[@glenchapman3899]

And koala's are not even bears making the analogy even more precise. lol

[@TheJorif]

Koala bears often have syphilis. Maybe the putler is therefore soft on his head.

[@GoWestYoungMan]

Welcome to NATO Finland and greetings from Canada.

[@el_Litwin]

Death of the Holden Horde ! Безопасность Европы и мира в целом это развал Golden Horde (орды 🇷🇺 🌴) ...

[@simonbrown7455]

Dude has a good point. Finland don't need NATO if that's the Russian army they would be up against.

[@mantelikukkapenkki2368]

Some part of me actually wish a little bit that Russians would try to attack us, it would not end well for them...

[@TheNoxmage]

Are you crazy? So many people will die!

[@mantelikukkapenkki2368]

@@TheNoxmage As we are still talking with hypotheses, a correct word would be would, not will but you are right, there would be countless Russian mothers mourning their sons

[@Sokar12345]

russia doesnt have the troops or the will to open a second front with finland. finland is also part of the eu which has its own equivalent to natos article 5.

[@el_Litwin]

With cost of “black gold” at 15-23 dollars per barrel, the USSR economy collapsed, and the sovok itself collapsed, and the "golden" horde ("russia") budget can only be fulfilled only with oil price at $ 42.4 and higher. следующий шаг освобождение Карелии от Орды 🇷🇺 🌴 !

[@MrYossarianuk]

He's Linus Torvald's (creator of Linux) dad

[@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059]

An Elementary School carrying SuperSoakers and water balloons could outgun Russia...

[@glenchapman3899]

So lets be clear here. Are they being led by a teacher or acting independently? lol

[@markb1487]

Very very well spoken sir....Finland having the far superior army.. Russia "should look in the mirror "" 💯👍

[@Erik-wd6ng]

as democratic countries, the people in Finland and sweden should vote in this big decision!!

[@peltimies2469]

We here in Finland atleast have support for this decicion and i have not met anybody IRL who doesnt support it. we dont need a vote, its clear we like this.

[@matteusvirtanen392]

In principle I'd agree but in Finland the consensus is beyond crystal clear. According to the latest polls at least 76% support NATO membership and of the remaining about half are undecided which means that if it came to a vote the numbers would be even higher for joining. In Finland according to the latest polls about 70% are against a referendum and think the parliament should decide on it. I can't talk for Sweden because I don't really know their numbers but a referendum would be completely pointless in Finland because unless if there is a truly insanely, impossibly vast change in opinion a referendum would be pointless and just give Russia a chance for hybrid attacks.

[@jukkakopol7355]

We have voted a parlament to do desicion we do need no referendum. If we must vote everything why we have a parlament.

[@ebrim5013]

They voted for their government.

[@Erik-wd6ng]

@@peltimies2469 I'm worried that the people not make the decision.. the politicians can't make this decision for you its insane..

[@itt2055]

If it wasn't for the nuclear weapons that Russia has they would not be a threat to anyone. Ukraine has proven that the Russian military is not capable of conducting the most basic of military operations and that Russian military equipment is not as good as it was claimed by Russia. Finland will be a great asset to the NATO alliance and the people of Finland have proven that they are not a threat to anyone unless they are attacked, they have a stable government and a good sense of community.