Could Lab-Grown Salmon Be The Future Of Fish? | Lab-Grown | Science Insider

Salmon is one of the most popular fish in the US, but farming it can cause all kinds of environmental problems. One California startup is growing salmon filets from cells. Could this lab-grown salmon be the future of fish? We went to San Francisco to try and find out.
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[@zackgray2212]

I think companies like this are the future. The idea of eating lab grown meat/fish doesn't bother me at all, I would love to try it. It would be great if the pressure was taken off oceans and fish stocks allowed to recover.

[@Jumpathy]

Tbf, it looks better than the normal salmon & I think the word “artificial” contains stigma that pushes people’s attention away from it, so I’m not sure how marketing would convince people to try it.

[@richyket661]

Too expensive right now for them to actually make a difference

[@dr.bendover-md]

@@richyket661 every new technology is too expensive at first, before becoming more affordable and accessible to the mass.

[@pauljerome01]

Then some day the elites will be the ones eating the fresh meat and we will be only getting the biolab meat due to class differences!

[@Meta9871]

"Neck yourself" t. Every fisherman

[@100Wilbur999]

It's 100% about two things: 1) taste 2) cost If it's better and cheaper we will buy it. Simple.

[@imthinkingthoughts]

Doesn’t need to be better, just needs to be good enough to differentiate and cheaper

[@imthinkingthoughts]

Sorry I mean not be able to differentiate

[@humanperson8418]

Cost will be easy once in mass manufacturing. R&D is where the costs are, mass manufacturing of lab grown foods is cheap. What it needs is to be chemically & texturally indistinguishable from the real thing, otherwise the public wont even try it.

[@chrisk5800]

The meat, dairy, and fish lobbies in the USA will push out disinformation campaigns to brainwash people to think its unhealthy

[@kingrojin8009]

I care about the health aspect too, but it doesn't need to be as good as normal salmon as long as it's cheaper

[@LeckieInstallsLondon]

Something that nobody here has mentioned, lab grown fish solves a large part of the plastic problem. It is now known that >70% of the plastic in our water is from fishing nets.

[@rrsgova2944]

that‘s facts btw i would even say it‘s closer to 80% now

[@rrsgova2944]

humans love fish

[@spxnr]

This product won’t change that

[@JeremyFinch42]

_Packages fake fish into plastic bag which will inevitably end up in the ocean._

[@misscaite]

@@JeremyFinch42 they might be able to figure out an eco friendly packaging if they really tried, and fish nets in the literal ocean vs hypothetical plastic reaching the ocean is not exactly the same

[@cereal9285]

This is easily the way to go with fish specifically because virtually all fish at this point have microplastics in the meat. lab grown fish meat won't have any of that, and there is zero risk of mercury contamination and common ocean/river pollutants.

[@BiowareNut]

That's a really good point!

[@johnseppethe2nd2]

True. However im interested in knowing how we can measure which fish are most affected by pollutants like plastics and toxic chemicals

[@petermadeline1761]

Yep Yepl

[@jakeholland403]

@@johnseppethe2nd2 There is usually a biomagnification/accumulation of pollutants, especially mercury. Generally, smaller fish have less mercury and larger fish like swordfish have massive amounts.

[@andrew_owens7680]

Hadn't thought of that! Good point.

[@axeldornelles5292]

Maybe the lab grown variety would be price competitive if they receive the same state incentives as the fish industry. The ammount of cash the fish and meat industry receive is just absolutely surreal.

[@celestewilcott3314]

Good point, many meats are only affordable because of subsidies, why aren’t broccoli or faux meats receiving funding, we are facing an ecological crisis you would think that would make finding alternatives a priority.

[@allenliu8820]

lab grown meats cant be competitive with government subsidies the technology is still primitive like why would i buy a prototype phone from a brand new company over an Iphone from Apple also the technology is still small in scale and it would take decades of research and development before economy of scale kicks in economy of scale basically means prices drop as more people produce the product for example: sugar was incredibly expensive until plantations in the Americas started to produce bulk loads of sugar because of slaves same thing with silk silk was extremely expensive until everyone found out how to make it and boom price dropped significantly also fish and meat industry receive so many government subsidies is to encourage them to actually farm them it is the same for normal farming without government subsidies many farmers would not be able to turn a profit with subsidies they are now barely able to make a profit if there were no subsidies there would be a food shortage in the United States sure the funding is high, but if you believe that every farmer in the US are big named companies then I am sorry my friend that aint reality according to the 2012 census 5% of farms in the US are corporate farms everyone likes to look at the big stuff, but then no one looks at the ones that actually do the work like Amazon everyone loves Amazon, but then no one pays attention to the workers until the workers actually start speaking up about their poor wages and horrible working conditions

[@BillyBobBrockali69]

@@allenliu8820 It's going to be more difficult with these people hiding their information if they shared info things would be done faster but these greedy scumbags don't care about the people they only care about money and it shows

[@BillyBobBrockali69]

@@allenliu8820 Also I believe everyone should have some form of a farm and garden chickens are very easy to raise or at least for people that have experience with basic knowledge/labor and I wish everyone was stoic and at least a little ascetic but still being altruistic

[@allenliu8820]

@Donald Morris in the future it can be substainable, but currently the technology is too primitive

[@srtghfnbfg]

I think this is far from being "artifical". These are actual salmon cells growing, and if the taste doesn't match it should be easy enough to add sea salt and other things to try and mimic the exact flavor.

[@TJ-bg4fw]

Still technically artificial since it is grown instead of farmed or wild caught, it’s still fully produced by human hands. Not a salmon living it’s life.

[@srtghfnbfg]

@@TJ-bg4fw its basically being farmed in a more technologically advanced way. For example, we've been changing how plants grow for decades and still not call them artifical though. This is not using genetically modified cells nor is it adding awkward chemicals. They're litterally directly farming the meat in a way

[@TJ-bg4fw]

@@srtghfnbfg I understand what you are saying but explain that to the farm lobby or average 40 year old joe number 200,000. It’s still going to earn the label artificial because it’s not a slab of salmon from a recently swimming fish, purely from a todays market perspective.

[@srtghfnbfg]

@@TJ-bg4fw well, at least, we somewhat agree. Anyways, I couldn't care less about the lobbyists with infinite funding pushing laws to cater for the privileged few 😂

[@TJ-bg4fw]

​ @srtghfnbfg Its more about pushing back against the stigma they are going to throw at it rather than what exactly the lobbyists think. Personally grown meats intrigues me, and if done well and nutritious I will fully throw my support behind the movement to help alleviate the need for so much farmland and grow pens in the ocean. I have no belief that it will totally supplant traditional agriculture for many many years though, but taking some of the pressure off those farms would be positive for the planet.

[@horsebeat6283]

Let’s get this going! I love salmon. If we can grow salmon without having to use farms, I’m all for it!

[@mmaaat123]

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[@mmaaat123]

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[@mmaaat123]

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[@mmaaat123]

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[@diino8081]

woah what happened here

[@noodlepancak783]

I love the difference between what comments you get when you set the filter to “newest first”

[@tridiots3681]

The amount of baseless paranoia is hilarious

[@RLStephan]

Good suggestion, that was.... wild.

[@tim-tim-timmy6571]

I see quite often people criticizing lab grown meat because "we don't know what is inside", it is actually quite the opposite. We know exactly what is inside. It is ok to not want to have it but at least, people should acknowledge the facts.

[@lampylightbulb]

Don't know what people put inside the animals So really they should be flipping their perspective

[@BeastGuardian]

Having worked in a cellular biology research lab, I have to agree with you! Trying to keep one batch of identical cells alive is not easy since they don't have a body to manage any of the most basic needs, no liver and kidneys to filter out toxins and other harmful materials, no immune system to fight off viral, bacterial, or parasitic threats. Everything has to be maintained in a way that is perfectly clean and free of even the most mild impurities or the whole batch is ruined. Even with an unscrupulous company cutting every corner, in order to have a product at all it would have to be safe for long-term human consumption. Anything less and they wouldn't have kept the fish muscle cells alive long enough to grow enough to sell.

[@Aj-uo5ld]

I don't have a problem with it, but it's evident that the US government doesn't monitor the food industry.

[@arinw5038]

Exactly. Plus real salmon has micro plastics and possibly parasites etc since it’s a wild animal. It’s the real salmon of which “we don’t know what’s inside” lol

[@dreyhawk]

Do you really know? Just like farm fishing you only know what they decide to tell you, and every video like this that I've watched is very vague. Ok, they use a "nutrient bath"... fine, whats in it? We can't show/tell you as it's a trade secret.

[@saralamohapatra6271]

It's really interesting how stem cell technology is also stepping to cater the global needs of food. Thank you for this knowledge!

[@mateobaysa2055]

Soylent green

[@renaldiroekanto789]

Global food problems come from logistics, not really because of supply.

[@papawalter8861]

@@mateobaysa2055 gimme the sweet sweet mystery protein

[@S3b0rg]

@@mateobaysa2055 Maybe if people weren't so squeamish, and current human bodies weren't so polluted, like, it's a pretty sound solution. Just don't lie to people about it like some Hannibal shit.

[@teaz3139]

I know that lab-grown meat is unfortunately made from unborn calves... not sure if fish is different.

[@terrancenightingale1749]

I am all for this direction of development. I'd be curious though how changing the "feed" for the cell cultures would affect the flavor of the fish. Farmed vs wild varieties have a noticeably different flavor which, as far as I understand, is largely impacted by diet.

[@cameronschmit6472]

In my completely unqualified opinion, I don’t think that would change the taste much. My guess is that because cells don’t feed like large multicellular creatures do, like a stomach, a liver or “bloodline” to filter toxins. Granted tho, I might just be thinking in terms of tasting good or bad, not just different like you put it

[@blak3brutus229]

@@cameronschmit6472 Thank god we banned this garbage in Florida 🤢 can’t imagine the horrors entering my body if I ate that, I’ll stick to the venison, chicken, and fish I spear in Indiana, and it lowers my farms food waste if I kill deer, as they eat my feed lots of times.

[@dextercochran4916]

"We can use cottonseed oil instead!" That's basically what this is.

[@silver831cali3]

contaminated fish is a problem. Mercury PCBs, PBDEs, dioxins, and chlorinated pesticides. Its an issue that most people overlook. Talking about it will surely help the lab grown industry

[@leehongjin6884]

Not to mention plastics that end up in fish due to our pollution and it comes back onto our plates.

[@yourlocalbluntfriend4136]

@@leehongjin6884 so when it’s “lab grown,” makes this sound more appetizing?

[@BeastGuardian]

@@yourlocalbluntfriend4136 having worked in a cellular biology lab, yes, lab-grown meat does sound more appetizing. Science labs are nothing like what they were in the '50s, or what pop-culture fiction makes them out to be. Caring for cells, like these salmon muscle cells, is not easy, all conditions must be kept under absolute control with rigid adherence to carefully developed (and changed if any problems are found) procedures. One wrong sneeze and you can kill your whole cell line with just a little stray bacteria, one tiny impurity and the broth you're rasing you cells in will kill them (since they don't have a liver or kidneys to deal with any toxins, no immune system to kill invading microbes, and none of the other systems the body uses to keep itself in a healthy balance). Meat grown in the lab physically would never come in contact with the microplastics saturating the oceans, no mercury contaminants from their food, no chance of parasites, bacteria, viruses, or other contaminants. The only things they'd touch would be exactly what they need to survive. Anything that would be harmful to us humans would instantly kill these fragile fish cells, so you can't do anything else but use stuff that is safe for humans to make this lab-grown meat. It's unfortunate that there is so much scaremongering about science. In the past great wrongs were committed, but we are far more careful now with more oversight than ever before. Scientists are people too who worry about the same things non-scientists do, we watch the same movies, worry about the same possibilities, and work hard to prevent science fiction nightmares from happening. Unfortunately we have some evil corporations like Monsanto out there who push the use of their dubious chemical Roundup (in high doses, say by people working directly with the herbicide, the actual food which is modified to be immune to the herbicide is safe), but there is nothing inherantly evil about things that are genetically modified or lab-cultured.

[@TehKaiser]

Salmon doesn't contain a very high concentration of mercury. Tuna does.

[@crazyadam9281]

@@yourlocalbluntfriend4136 it might not sound appetizing but it sure is a good thing to try and accomplish, at the end of the day none of us want the food we love to disappear.

[@rickiex]

This can be HUGE. It would reduce our produce carbon footprint by alot, and less animals farmed in mass to feed people.

[@ferbious7258]

This is more in the extremely long term, probably about 20-30 yrs then thus might be widely accepted cuz remember that shit always be complicated

[@nena5518]

Will it though? What is the carbon footprint of the process?

[@WIZRD141]

Hell no who the hell wants to eat fake meat/ fish no nutrients whatsoever. You’re eating GMOS in mass you will get cancer before any of the real meat eaters. You’re misinformed

[@alexsmith1207]

@@ferbious7258 this will probably increase our population and more food resources.

[@davidbueso3840]

But will be the adverse side affects of eating non organic food?

[@nw3413]

Aslong as its tested and safe I dont see the problem with it.

[@paulabrown4050]

People doing this are visionary and I love it. Can't wait to try it one day!

[@Meuduso1]

The big question I have about lab grown fish and meats is quality. The difference between some random beef steak and a really healthy, grass fed, grown up with its mother beef steak is absolutely wild. It's how I personally handle meat, I eat less of it but when I do I try to get some proper high quality stuff. If these lab grown bits of meat are able to match the "lower" quality meat, then there's an economic advantage but when you're able to match the high quality, then there's no reason to have actual cows anymore and then you "solved" the ecological problem as well because people will actually choose it over what they perceive to be "proper" meat. And even then you'll have purist that will only go for real beef for some reason. I an incredibly excited for this because it means that we can still eat meat and put it in our food without killing the planet.

[@mxlumx123]

Eating animals full of syress, adrenaline, hormones, anribiotics, pus and diseases is never healthy. That is what the market and those industries are making you believe...

[@Meuduso1]

@@mxlumx123 I'm not american or in some other country where that shit is common place and even here I dodge most meat. When I'm talking about quality beef I mean straight from a farmer that lives about 1 km away from me where the calfs grow up alongside their cows, feast on the grass and herbs of the mountains over the summer and then get butchered right up there, at which point I will buy a bunch of absolutely excellent meat. That is precisely what I mean when I talk about buying less meat but some of which I know where it's from and is of exquisite quality

[@gone9820]

I find lab meat interesting, but I definetly prefer eating the high quality meat than eating lab meat. I'm very curious on how lab meat is going to turn out, so I dont really have many comments about this matter. I would definetly prefer to eat fish meat that came from captivity though.

[@jonahofkes1880]

@gone why? just curious…

[@japzone]

I mean, from this video they're clearly going after the high end market first. Trying to compete against raw salmon used in sushi means that you're relying almost entirely on the quality of the ingredients and the skill of the chef to not degrade those ingredients. If they were going after frozen fried fish fillets it'd be way easier, but also cost prohibitive. If they can actually replicate high quality raw salmon they would be able to compete at the high end where there are larger margins, their higher profits, which would allow them to scale to the point where they can then bring the manufacturing price down. Definitely the long hard road, but if they can pull it off there'd be a ton of gold at the end of that rainbow.

[@supb1437]

I used to work in drug transport cell culture. This is exactly how we grow liver and kidney cells. I would LOVE to work in a lab like this. It would be a dream!

[@BeastGuardian]

It sounds amazing, doesn't it! I worked in a lab working with prostate cancer cells more than a decade ago, and seeing this makes me wonder how things have changed with the new stuff available for cell culturing. I miss being in the lab.

[@lokesh303101]

The Amino Acid profile of cultured meat salmon need to match with the regular salmon for approvals, and the fat deposition needs to have non-interfering Metabolic markers that doesn't act as precursor to degenerative diseases.

[@tomektomek9836]

Imagine if all the funding from big food corporations came in. The development would be so much faster

[@thescienceofliving2544]

Considering much of the fresh salmon I've purchased at grocery stores has had tiny worms in it, I would love to eat lab grown salmon! There would definitely be no worms, which is a big plus in my book!

[@n0rmal953]

We are eating unhealthy, parasite ridden fish raw more and more often. I mean If the texture and taste is successfully recreated, I’d have no complaints, I would definitely eat lab grown fish and meat.

[@maxmexmixbruh8695]

@@n0rmal953 you know that the flash freezing done to salmon kills the parasites, right?

[@treycorte2203]

Shit they got lab worms in those b

[@aoe9015]

@@maxmexmixbruh8695 many restaurants don’t do this

[@Falcodrin]

@@aoe9015 the FDA requires fish sold for raw consumption be frozen at least for a certain period of time to kill parasites

[@drumpftodd7887]

I'd just like to say as people, we think that every resource is limitless. It's a shame that we have to figure everything out the hard way, when it's already nearly depleted.

[@Username-le4eq]

Thanks past people 🙄

[@nicababi86]

Yeah, I think the problem comes from our lifespans and survival instincts. It's not depleting in my lifetime so I'm good and my future will have as much as I can gather so they'll be in a better position to survive. But eventually, a generation wont and that's what we don't think about. It's like we're playing checkers when we should be playing chess.

[@asianjackass237]

False supply and demand. Back before they try to sell lobster as some "fine dining", its "peasant food".

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

How many times have we heard that before, and it never came to pass?

[@snidecommenter7117]

There are always people who know a resource is not limitless. They just tell lies so they can capitalize on the resource and make huge profits.

[@jonaswoller5243]

As a biochemist I see a big flaw of these advanced types of “synthetically” grown foods. They lack a significant part of nutrients: minerals. In farming minerals come from the soil (if eliminated e.g. in vertical farming) the water would need to provide these. Similarly with meat minerals are passed along in the food chain. So for lab grown meat the minerals would need to be provided in media. However isolating these minerals before to optimally distribute them in water/media is very inefficient and starts to compete with other industries that actually need those minerals in pure form.

[@amoriicovers]

The impact of this on nutrition probably depends on how much of the diet is replaced by lab-grown meat as well as the variety of the rest of the diet, right? Most minerals are only needed in trace amounts, and even people who eat little meat rarely lack most of them (admittedly with the relatively common exceptions of iron and zinc). It may not be a significant problem. Unless I misunderstood and you're talking about lab-grown food in a much broader context - I'm admittedly not familiar with a push to replace anything but meat, so that's why I assumed, but if so, your point makes sense.

[@TheGecko26]

@@amoriicovers The micronutrients and minerals do not effect just nutrition, but also effect flavor. Even if there are other ways to get those nutrients, a healthy diet should not require a healthy person to take additional supplements. If the diet is 100% lab grown (which seems to be the goal many companies aspire to) then they must be a substitute for traditionally farmed and/or hunted products.

[@amoriicovers]

@Jason Hardin You're right about magnesium deficiency (both clinical and sub-clinical!). Although the idea the average person is very deficient in virtually all micronutrients is quite startling. Would you have a source for that? I'd be really interested to read more. Getting back to my point, though, if most people are deficient in all micronutrients that signals a problem with the entirety of their diet. As I said before, the primary source of many dietary minerals isn't meats - legumes and nuts, for example, are far richer sources of magnesium than meat is; the low concentration of those in the typical Western-pattern diet is the major driver of deficiency. Unless a significant portion of the diet is being replaced by lab-grown foods (i.e., not just meat or some meats), it seems unlikely to make a significant difference to nutrition - or, at least, a difference that couldn't be relatively easy to account for by eating a more balanced or nutritious diet overall, which we should already be aiming for.

[@amoriicovers]

@@TheGecko26 This is a good point! Flavour is definitely a factor to take into consideration. I think, regardless of the apparent goals of companies, it would be extremely difficult to completely eliminate conventional farming/hunting as a source of food - and I certainly hope it doesn't happen! But I can see how technologies like this could reduce the burden of some specific practices that are currently unsustainable.

[@TheStockwell]

@Jason Hardin No disrespect intended to you and the universe, but the Impossible Burgers in my refrigerator beg to differ. 🍔 😸

[@Submersed24]

Lab grown meat sounds like a good idea given it is nutritionally identical to the real thing. Though tbh I'm more worried about pigs and cows getting mass killed. But it would be great to grow meat without having any animals killed

[@zixitix3374]

The fact that they won't show the lab is a big red flag.

[@NiAlBlack]

Nah, they probably just don't want competitors to steal their ideas.

[@mochi4926]

100% support. I absolutely love eating fish. However, I think we need to be environmentally responsible about how we are consuming the resources we have. It's not fair of us to ruin the ecosystem in order to feed ourselves. Nor is it right to keep up the type of farming practices we have. Not just for fish, but all meats. The way I see it, it's just plain immoral to raise fish, cows, chickens, pigs, and so on in these overcrowded pens where they are subjected to damage on all fronts. If we have the technology to create cell-cultured meat, then we definitely should be having it as a staple in our diet. I don't think there is anything wrong with killing animals and consuming them. But it becomes immoral when those animals are suffering. I think cell-cultured meat would be a wonderful compromise. The only thing is that it really does need to become an affordable option. Because that's one of our problem as human beings. Our entire lives are dictated (to an extent) by money. It can't just be a novelty for the rich or a fad. It needs to be at a point where it's easily obtainable and the main option people chose. Also, the marketing on this need to change. I bet the reason why only 19% of their survey had people express interest is because of the phrase "cell-cultured." Semiotically, it invokes all of the wrong imagery. It makes people think of a creepy, sterile lab. Or, it cinjures up nothing at all; and as well all know -- people are naturally afraid of what they don't understand. Versus, if I say "salmon," you all will instantly think of things like sushi, salt crust bake, campfires, poke on the beach, and so on. You can smell it through your memories and it makes you hungry. You even start to remember places and people you've spent time with. The term "cell-cultured" doesn't have that same familiar tie in with memories. To me, it reminds me of a scene in Westworld and seventh grade biology class. So they really need to start selling the product as being something intuitively mouthwatering and delicious versus something you should try because it's good for the environment.

[@michellegatz1687]

Look is United States offshore farmed oyster. They are actually rehabbing habitats off the east coast. I would thoroughly cook any from the south though. One of the few food that are actually good for the planet. US ocean farmed, not Chinese.

[@unhingedDrone]

A quarter of the terms and conditions I see

[@justiny2215]

I think the nature of capitalism is what makes these types of markets to be so bad. Those men in the 1800s didn't see salmon and think " hey we could use this to feed more people " they only taught about making money. Imagine if people only killed what they were going to eat? This unhealthy consumption and animal abuse is brought uppon by capitalism. If salmon wasn't lucrative it would be dropped in an instant.

[@FURYBrenton]

So you’re vegan then?

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

Not fair to what? The environment isn't a person.

[@yummyapplestroodle]

I can't wait for this! I would love to stop eating fish and meat for good some day. I don't eat it a lot, but some times you just get the craving for it. I am eating salmon right now, and looked for alternatives and came across this video that way

[@simhanssens7331]

Fascinating that we can actually do this! Though like they said, it is probably gonna take a LONG time before we actually see this being viable for salmon and other meats

[@dabidmydarling5398]

Where do you think the amino acids and proteins come from during their process? Growing cells using stem cells is not a new field and it has been done numerous times. Most of these so-called "humane ways of farming" actually require inhumane tactics to obtain many of the biological macromolecules. For example in the self-grown beef industry, most companies collect proteins and amino acids by harvesting fetal bovine serum (FBS). To collect large amounts of FBS, farmers need to abort a newborn calf to collect it. Yes, the idea of lab-grown meats has the potential to have lower costs, but it is far from humane.

[@HasFace]

@@dabidmydarling5398 There are a couple issues with your concerns, firstly FBS is already collected in large quantities as a byproduct of dairy farming and it just goes to waste at present. That is more than enough for the beginnings of an in vitro beef industry. Secondly, synthetic growth factors and in vitro bioproduction of growth factors are already available for a number of meats, including chicken, which means no need for in vivo growth factors. There aren't actually that many growth factors at play for any individual species, and the same technology used to produce cells is suitable to produce the same cells that create the growth factors in the living animals. Yes that means it is more complex than simply adding sugars to a tank containing cells and watching them multiply, but farming already involved immensely complex supply chains and the science behind alternative sources of growth factors is extremely promising.

[@markthomasson5077]

…just wait till the Chinese get started

[@dabidmydarling5398]

@@HasFace Lol ik. I'm gonna be honest I posted a copy-paste of this comment around 10 times. I wanted to see how easy it was to spread misinformation and on one comment I got around 10 likes. Ur the first to catch me

[@1000OtherFoxes]

​@@dabidmydarling5398 is it possible to harvest one animal and then just multiply what was needed ?

[@alien9279]

This type of tech is huge for the planet in so many ways. We need to massively step up production

[@Sandlin22]

Maybe, we have no idea what kind of emissions per pound of meat yet 🤷 it could be way worse who knows

[@adyanman6037]

Nothing beats the original

[@sirenrosel]

@@adyanman6037 sometimes we have to find another way and compromise to minimize long term consequences. No one is saying that real salmon doesn't taste better.

[@donkeykongisbetterthanmari7495]

@@adyanman6037 for now

[@blahbruhsikgdesgujgfdvhjvf2804]

That's what people said about GMOs as well, look how wrong that turned out. People are too quick to embrace the latest thing, before real research has been done.

[@BuildinWings]

I've been itching for this to become available, not just in salmon but all proteins. I'd make the switch overnight if I could.

[@joshuataylor3550]

Flavour though init

[@ebzplayz7038]

Salmon fishing and breeding is sustainable

[@ebzplayz7038]

@Tony why though… literaly what’s the issue you have with fishing

[@BuildinWings]

@@ebzplayz7038 It's a shillbot.

[@someguy2135]

@@ebzplayz7038 Your claim falls under the maxim of the brilliant late scholar Christopher Hitchens- "Any claim presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." Fair warning- KZbin now has a policy of auto deleting all new comments that include links to anything other than KZbin videos. That's why I put supporting links at my channel under "About."

[@theShadeslayer]

I wonder what the research behind this is finding in regards to nutrition. One reason I would be hesitant to adopt this as the new standard for consumption in the future is the possibility of missing out on important amino acids or vitamins etc within the fish that might not be properly recreated.

[@lobaxx]

I mean, just not getting all the toxins from fish would be a nutritional plus. Every nasty shit from all over the world ends up in our oceans, and it agregates and concentrates in predators like the salmon. Even aquacultured salmon are fed fish, so they are also full of heavy metals like mercury and other toxins. The recomendations among most dietary guilines is thus to limit seafood intake to a few times per month.

[@genericscout5408]

You do realize that most of those vitamins are in the organs that you already don't eat yes?

[@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou]

@@genericscout5408 Which vitamins are in which organs that I don't eat? I consume cod liver every day for the vitamin A and D.

[@Dman6779]

@@genericscout5408 you do realize its possinle to ask one question without asking a completely different question as well, shuddup

[@Kurochana]

Could be very useful in space too! Imagine being able to eat non frozen lab grown meats while living on the Moon or Mars, would certainly be a welcome change of pace from most preserved foods.

[@hylacinerea970]

i am very interested in this lab salmon, just in the last 3 years i’ve watched the salmon im buying go from acceptable quality to wondering if it’s even fish, the systems are so run ragged. they’re more in danger than ever

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

The salmon you buy is the exact same farm raised Salmon as ever. Nothing changed lmao.

[@devonfornal3050]

The Salmon from 3 years ago is exactly the same… they have had Salmon farms for more than a decade

[@briandavis849]

quit buying it

[@hxhdfjifzirstc894]

So you wonder if fish is real fish, but would love to eat fake fish made in a laboratory. Do you, by chance... use a lot of marijuana?

[@worldgreat9779]

Buy wild caught. I do not buy farm raised fish.

[@768Abrar]

The difficulty I think would be getting the common folk to get in on this. If we keep calling it " lab grown" it's definitely gonna have an impact on sales. Kinda like how no one wanted eat food made by the Colgate company because people associate with the name with toothpaste.

[@indianumberonecountry]

So in order to get everyday people to eat it you have to disguise what it is using semantics? Sounds awesome lol

[@768Abrar]

@@indianumberonecountry don't have to disguise it just don't make it unappealing ? Good Marketing is an important factor of any sales. Try selling a beverage named corn syrup caramel carbonic acid.

[@renaissanceman8564]

The named canned tuna “chicken of the sea” some people still think it’s chicken. It will be a Mac Donald’s fish nugget in a battered minute. For a limited time introducing the Mac manatee! .

[@Ajjoy.]

Because IT IS lab grown meat, you meatball!! Why sugarcoat shit to fool people into it. What tf is next!?? What's next!?? Lab grown babies so people who can't have kids feel better!?? They could've been smarter and thought of something better to solve these problems instead of trying to kill us. Lab grown food, pshhh

[@laidback20]

I would grow my own chickens than eat that crap. Some people will eat anything. Why settle for lab grown when nature does so much better. Just another way to destroy the animal population and later they will move on the human population and it will not end well. The love of money is the root of all evil and no respect for GOD and his creations.

[@looselylucy]

I love salmon but knowing about the parasites is a real turn off from eating it often. I'm definitely open to giving lab grown salmon and other meat a try

[@1000OtherFoxes]

parasites ? lol...

[@LieMac]

Extra protein

[@navalsealsnipersports1199]

You’re missing a key element here. Cell growth and usage are 2 very different things. Salmon has the taste, texture, and even color it has due to it’s diet and exercise. It’s almost the exact same comparison to light vs dark meat on a chicken. If you go to a store and buy farm raised salmon and wild caught salmon, the wild caught is darker in coloration, richer, and all around a better fish to eat. The artificial salmon is even lighter in coloration and even less “used” than farm raised so I’d say this is a step in the wrong direction. Not to mention the muscle cells are growing in completely random directions instead of creating a fibrous structure. That’s why they go to a sushi restaurant instead of cooking it. Normal salmon flakes apart at the fat seams parallel to the grain. This would disintegrate into mush and wouldn’t hardly be edible.

[@mnmlst1]

But that is exactly why they said they are focusing only on raw salmon for now.

[@magnopere]

What if, and I'm being completely serious here, they punched the salmon meat as it was growing?

[@TheRealMisterJ]

You must be fun at parties

[@navalsealsnipersports1199]

@@mnmlst1 still doesn’t even have the right flavor forget texture and color.

[@navalsealsnipersports1199]

@@magnopere that wouldn’t work, but stimulating it with electric pulses to make it contract and “exercise” it most likely would

[@Frodojack]

A lot of people eat salmon for its high Omega-3 which come from algae. So I wonder what the Omega-3 content is and what is the source for it.

[@anielchall9708]

They also intake all the chemicals which are used when mass farming so they really don’t have a leg to stand on

[@niken538]

It has even more omega 3/6’s than salmon, and in better ratios, extracted from algae, which is from where fish get their omegas

[@niken538]

Also, this doesn’t have microplastics or heavy metals like mercury

[@Frodojack]

@@niken538 Do you have a link or a source?

[@niken538]

@@Frodojack “Right now our product has slightly less protein than conventionally produced salmon, but a similar fat composition, including levels of healthy omega-3 fatty acids, but none of the heavy metals, microplastics, parasites, or antibiotics found in most salmon,” he details. “The plant-based scaffolding we provide for the cells to grow on, along with all the necessary nutrients like sugars, amino acids, and fats we deliver in solution, allows for the formation of the complex textures that we’re able to create for all types of sushi products spanning sashimi, nigiri and maki rolls.”

[@Stripeyy]

I would honestly really like to try it. Although right now for me it looks a bit too light and pastel. Real salmon is a bit translucent, and this looks compleately opaque.

[@ANMA133]

probably due to iron oxidising in seawater its a little darker red.

[@ArcticHour]

@@ANMA133 i think it's actually due to the way the salmon is cultivated, i. Fish they grow like muscles and grow larger over time whereas when it's cultivated the cells have to be grafted manually which results in a different method of growth than in a salmon

[@n.ayisha]

agreed. it looks like play-dough.

[@hxhdfjifzirstc894]

I'm sure the color is the most important thing. Are you a Democrat? Just guessing.

[@Stripeyy]

@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 color of food is a very important part of eating and if the color isn't right then it might feel odd and in some cases even make it taste differently MatPat did a very good video about this topic over on food theory about how color of gummy bears affect their perceived taste

[@Rizzmatic]

This is great! I always hated the idea of butchering animals for their meat. I hope lab-grown meat becomes the primary source of meat in the future.

[@funeralgiggle3771]

No access to see the laboratory where this “salmon” is grown? It does not inspire confidence. Huge red flag when a laboratory isn’t transparent.

[@baronbrummbar8691]

any laboratory ever isn´t transparent that is because they doen´t want anybody to steal ther technology

[@Miss_Trillium]

I'd love to try this--it *looks* like salmon. I think that's the big thing holding back lab grown beef or chicken. Luckily salmon like this isn't stringy or anything, so it has a lot going for it

[@RyLo18D]

Except Cattle has an extremely high carbon footprint while salmon has very little. The benefits of lab-growing for cattle involves significant reductions in greenhouse emissions while there’s almost none to possibly even more emissions compared to farmed salmon…

[@faceoctopus4571]

​ @Yve The quality of imitation ground beef available on the market is pretty impressive. From an environmental standpoint, I'm not sure there is much difference between imitation meat and lab grown meat. But even if one is clearly better than the other, I'm sure both those options are better than regular meat.

[@wandew7057]

it is salmon

[@everythingisfine9988]

Not looks like. It *IS* salmon. No kill Salmon 🐟

[@RyLo18D]

@@faceoctopus4571 Farmed Salmon has one of the lowest carbon footprints out there. 2.9KG of Carbon dioxide per kilo compared to 30KG+ for Cattle. An electric heater generates about 207g per KWH, so about 14KWH of heating equivalent per KG of farmed salmon. Considering the amount of heat required to grow a kilogram of cells I highly doubt it goes anywhere as low as 14KWH (About 6 hours of running a 2400W heater at 240V 10A). Anyone who genuinely is concerned about greenhouse emissions would take killing the salmon over wasting energy like this. This is termed in the industry as a “wicked problem”, a genuine multi variable problem that is difficult to solve with simple solutions. While you can solve the issue of ethics, you generate an entirely new issue which may be worse. A much better idea would be to start lab culture adoption for other inefficient meats like lamb or to scale existing technologies for cattle first so cattle alternatives can reach our supermarkets at a cheaper price than beef. It’s likely that these scientists know this is highly inefficient, however the meat alternative market is saturated with investment giants (Start-up unicorns) and they just need something different for investors to hop on board.

[@octaneblue6]

Weird that they don't allow cameras back there. That salmon looks almost too real, and I'm really wondering if this is another Theranos-type situation.

[@xxxooo5618]

I do wonder what is going on back there.

[@damnbrothatscrazybutidontr4093]

agreed

[@ken4358]

A theory someone put here before that the lab doesn’t showcase how they make the lab grown meat is because there are people who want to copy things done in labs, and you don’t even need many people to do it, you just need about TEN people to think this is a good idea to recreate in their garage. So this could be the case, but they deleted it long ago, so they maybe found it wrong.

[@riakata]

Problem woth sterile culture systems is the hyginic processing requirements need tons of consumables and overhead that can never beat a non sterile process. There is just no way to scale it up withou scaling the problems with sterile bioreactor culture systems. Keeping a tissue growth sterile for many weeks is challenging and doing that at scale is why the costs are so high. On land intensive fish farming would eliminate the parasite problem and a bit of genetic engineering can get you an optimal salmon. Pretty sure there are already some farmed salmon on the market that do this because it is already cost competitive and doesnt require special regulatory approval.

[@abz2000123]

Apparently lab grown diamonds are purer than the on that develops under the ground. And also the hydroponics plants are clean.

[@MElaughs]

Big meat fan and born and raised fisherman. So I love the ocean and will avoid eating purchased fish. I go fishing once or twice a year, eat my catch and appreciate every bite. So I would love love love to see this on the shelves. Give the planet her chances.

[@Helljumper7200]

As a Christian, this is the wrong take. But

[@MElaughs]

@@Helljumper7200 those who hold religion hold judgements.

[@sage7970]

@@Helljumper7200 how is this the wrong take? And what does Christianity have to do with it?

[@self-improvement4866]

@@sage7970 i believe the church does not have any stance on lab grown meat. So Catholics can partake. It's not aborted cells and it does not mess with natural human lives.

[@Helljumper7200]

@@MElaughs those who don't follow Jesus will be cast in Hell. I feel sorry for you

[@snakedog9694]

What do the cells eat while growing and how do you mine it. Break down the logistics and environmental impact of the nutrients needed for the culture. Nothing grows without resource input.

[@jondvapidest5520]

They mentioned this in the video- amino acids and sugar

[@axcolleen]

@@Meerkat628 I'm curious where you found this information. Are you a scientist?

[@neomt2]

@@Meerkat628 ironically the lab plastics will just end up creating more microplastics in the environment which real fish would eat...

[@CherryBotV2]

@@gone9820 just googled lab grown meat climate change, first thing "Lab grown meat could cut down greenhouse gas emissions by 96% according to Oxford. Switching to lab grown meat can cut our water consumption between 82 and 96%, depending on the animal. Animal rights are protected as animal meats are not mass produced. Farm space is saved with less live animals overall." nice attempt at lying, as everything says that it will actually reduce climate change.

[@blanktester]

@@gone9820 also, nuclear energy IS safer than fossil fuels. If you want to compare damage to damage, nuclear waste is significantly less risky than the actual pollution we accept from fossil fuels right now. If you instead compare best case scenarios, fossil fuels still are worse. Another chernobyl sounds terrible until you remember how terrible another Deepwater horizon or BP spill would be. Nuclear energy is absolutely a good thing relative to what we've got.

[@bunnissimo]

Parasite and plastic-free salmon sashimi? We need this

[@Caden_Burleson]

This is great! My only concern is how are the amino acids created/farmed, synthesized, and what does that process look like on our environment(is that process sustainable)?

[@bu6jon]

Amazing. I cannot wait for this to be accessible for all meats.

[@Sandlin22]

You'll be waiting

[@bu6jon]

@@Sandlin22 fine by me. Noone changes the world overnight!

[@hxhdfjifzirstc894]

Bro, just go to Taco Bell.

[@kingrollypollyvii5565]

Just eat bugs if you’re willing to be such a obedient bot.

[@LieMac]

@@kingrollypollyvii5565bro is the type of guy to be “different” in high school

[@PooMonkeyMan]

This might honestly be the key to being able to consume taboo meats from other cultures without the baggage people throw at them. Imagine being able to consume canine meat without the backlash from people because of how it's harvested. Wild game that might be prone to viruses in the wild, could now be developed in sterile environments, free from those concerns. It's mindblowing the doors this could open. 🤯

[@Breathe4you.]

I'd 100% eat dog or cat.

[@dr.bendover-md]

Exactly

[@Aeybiseediy]

I'd 100% eat human meat

[@PooMonkeyMan]

@@Aeybiseediy No deadly viruses 👌

[@S3b0rg]

@@Aeybiseediy You haven't yet?

[@alpaykasal2902]

I literally drooled. I can't wait to live in a world where this is not only legal, but normalized - although I think the closed-mind older generation need to take their unsustainable 'wild caught' ideas to the after-existence with them.

[@JusNoBS420]

Just heard an interview with the founders on a Seattle news radio station. They said they originally harvested cells from one brave Salmon over 3 years ago!! Pretty incredible

[@xfactor3000]

One thing that is almost always overlooked is nutrient density and if it is close to the original and how much of it is bioavailable.

[@BuildinWings]

Bioavailability is rarely the issue when dealing with cultured meats. Plant-based meat substitutes run into the ALA conversion ratio issue far more than cultured animal cells.

[@RickRamoscom]

That would be interesting to know but the flip side is the fish isn't going to have mercury or micro-plastics

[@xfactor3000]

@@RickRamoscom That's also a great point!

[@yijuntey]

would the nutrient content be the same as real salmon? Since i know that many fake beef (such as impossible meat or beyond meat) are made with the nutrients in mind too

[@yijuntey]

@Donald Morris oh i see ok that makes sense, thanjs

[@yijuntey]

@Donald Morris agreed

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

@Donald Morris Well they've already had lab grown hearts and organs of animals in labs for years, there was even a lab grown trachea transplant on a human

[@jairothevaca2719]

If the problem of the salmon farms is that it requires other fish to feed the salmon, I think the video should explore where does the "nutrient bath" comes from? Does that aminoacids came from plants, or from captured fish?

[@lazarusblackwell6988]

Cheaper,healthier,better for the environment. Go science.

[@baronbrummbar8691]

i mean the price is the problem it is ludicrously expensive

[@lazarusblackwell6988]

@@baronbrummbar8691 That problem is going to be solved soon im sure.

[@baronbrummbar8691]

@@lazarusblackwell6988 i doubt it in germany ther was the talk about lab grown meat since atleast the 50s i thing this will be like fusion power a genius idea ........... but it will take many decades if not centuries to work in a sustainable way

[@HKVC]

the sushi chef's knife skill is very questionable lol

[@nocause5395]

He was probably told to cut super slow for the video. That can probably throw him off.

[@HKVC]

@@nocause5395 possibly

[@Docpasta]

This is great! (I’m doing my phD on stem-cells and also 3D bioprinting of micro-organs). If we take into consideration the microplastics that are also inside of fish nowadays, the development of lab grown fish will be such a game changer! Hope to see this come to life in the near future 💕

[@roronoazoro5273]

Maybe we should lab grow you aswell

[@B.knight]

🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢

[@ILNSuryaChandra]

@@roronoazoro5273 humans are everywhere. No need for lab grown humans. Just let them grow which is actually usefull. Like shown in the video.

[@roronoazoro5273]

@@ILNSuryaChandra organic

[@thatguy5801]

How much plastic is used in a lab....how many labels, gloves and masks will be used for sanitary standard compared to the natural process you pop-tart. You're the problem, making it worst while being ignorant in bliss.

[@jaspyjiindust.9227]

I really hope that it is available soon!

[@tokio6332]

This could be great for our health too, since there shouldn’t be any microplastics in the “fish” and we won’t eat them!!

[@ryud0]

what are the health concerns for this? how healthy is it? is it made with oils and stabilizers? any long term risks from regular consumption?

[@gabbar51ngh]

Wild salmon would always be superior

[@jamespradel7918]

@@gabbar51ngh superior doesnt mean the best

[@gabbar51ngh]

@@jamespradel7918 in terms of nutrition it is.

[@jamespradel7918]

@@gabbar51ngh there is no denying to that but for sustainability and environmental reasons, I think the better option will be the latter

[@faultytv2180]

@@jamespradel7918 .... Superior means.... Above all so... That means... The best... Dumbass

[@crazyfrytka]

I'd love to be able to eat meat without hurting animals and enviroment. ❤ I also don't mind slightly "worse" texture if nutrition value will be the same. Go science!

[@joemamabidendementia]

Totally agree. However, a lot of people would be laid off from fisheries which is another problem.

[@atomnous]

@@joemamabidendementia But, they may be able to make their own meat and fish at home, or mass-produce and sell them. It could create a brand new type of business, there are many potential to be creative with this technology.

[@cat-vv9xb]

@@joemamabidendementia Unlikely. There will always be a market for natural meat, they just need to change their marketing and appeal.

[@crazyfrytka]

@Daniel Pacheco I did. As well as I heard about natural selecction but we still improve in medicine.

[@dayonvespo]

just go vegan, it's easier, cheaper and doesn't hurt animals.

[@WalyB01]

What culture medium was used? If it contains the word bovine, you can guess the ingredients used to grow those cells.

[@lbolen4304]

I’d be beyond happy with this if this becomes more advanced and popular in the future! As someone who wants to swap my meats out with fish and shell fish due to a majority of reasons this would be evolutionary because then it’d erase even the risks with fish and we’d no longer have to kill anything to eat it anymore. Then maybe we can work on other meats!

[@ajuadelaajua]

Interesting way to stop the killings ofanimal and reduce the enviromental impact and carbot footprint, if this new tech works on fish cells pretty sure can work on cow, chicken, pig cells too and eventually really stop the consuming of animals all together and stop damaging the earth and air

[@celestewilcott3314]

It has indeed been done with other meats, there is one company that produced chicken meat from a cell for a chicken feather. We definitely need this technology to be developed way quicker for environmental reasons and ethical ones too (but that’s a more difficult conversation with different viewpoints). We have come a long way with many faux meats made from plants as well, some are amazing and some aren’t. Hopefully more people will embrace faux meats as the quality improves across brands and as they become more affordable and available. There some impressive faux meats from a brand called Happy Veggie World.

[@millzplayz5785]

I agree with you but I could never have cell made milk but I want a better earth

[@taiguy53]

They've grown lab grown beef before. It was small, but it was impressive

[@goomba8170]

@Tony Why are you acting as if it’s a bad thing that scientists have invented this? Most people like meat, and won’t give it up. That’s just a fact, coming from someone who was happily vegetarian for 3 years. There are also clear health benefits to having meats in our diet. This is a sustainable way to produce meat that has the added benefit of being cruelty free.

[@goomba8170]

@Tony No, the next step was whatever I chose it to be, and I had my reason for making said choice. That’s just incorrect. Meat isn’t inherently bad for you, just as plants aren’t inherently good for you. It’s all about moderation. Most people eat too much meat, but the meat itself isn’t the issue. People like you are exactly the reason that people have such a negative perception of vegans / vegetarians.

[@LorentzInvariance]

As someone in R&D, I love this kind of innovation. Though, I’m not anywhere knowledgeable enough to comment on much, especially in this field (be it the science, regulatory, or other). All I can say is that “this is f*cking cool! Godspeed!”?

[@mw8151]

IF the product is close to taste, texture and nutrient’s and all that, I would absolutely prefer it over the real thing.

[@kliudrsfhlih]

well, Government subsidies could help that transition from luxury food to everyday food. But only if there really is a perceived need for lab grown food.

[@NatalieFromCA]

🤣😂They said, “sorry but you can’t come in to see our experiment, “ and then he comes out with a white board, “I went ahead and colored you some pictures instead”! 😂🤣😂

[@erickpadron6720]

Who else is watching this at 3AM and have school/work in the morning ?

[@slothboss1]

I scrolled down and even keyword searched but I'm surprised no one mentioned that chef using brown rice with sushi. The shell on the brown rice changes the flavor and texture compared to white rice and may even over power the subtle flavors of the lab grown salmon meat.

[@nemesiswes426]

That lab grown salmon looked tastier the real thing, lol.

[@nixonlumbarkovski6713]

I understand the thought that this may allow salmon population to increase, but I argue that over time, this may just allow us to entirely ignore ecosystems at a certain point, we won't need an ecosystem running anymore to have this kind of food. The worst part about this kind of society is that I don't know if this is a big win or loss for humanity.

[@SwarumtheForum]

I just thought about it, and you make a really good point. If we don't need the environment, then why preserve it? That's pretty scary.

[@tastezemelon7229]

@@SwarumtheForum Because tourism and PR.

[@daiendelion]

@@SwarumtheForum because they don't exist for human purpose. They just exist to exist. They do not need to vanish just because the ecosystem does not benefit us human.

[@___Music_Is_Life___]

That is definitely a potential unintended consequence that concerns me, without serious societal level changes unfortunately there would probably have to be some sort of profit motive in place to protect those ecosystems, but if we reach the tipping point where a lab grown version becomes the more affordable option it wouldn't surprise me if the wild option become a luxury product in time and if done right that could be used to ensure there is motivation to preserve those ecosystems and put them in a better situation than they are now even if still not ideal.

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

@@SwarumtheForum now you understand the truth. The environment holds no value we don't put on it. The modern worship the Earth movement hypes things up and exxagerates things in order to evoke an emotional response and get the cash flowing.

[@777dave]

It’s easy for people to say they are opposed to it right now… farmed Atlantic salmon from Chile goes for something like $7 a pound at the supermarket. But if companies producing this kind of food were actually forced to uphold environmental protection the cost would be much higher. Ultimately only the cost will sway the consumer in our society. Once “real” salmon fillets cost $50 a pound and lab-grown fillets are $5 a pound things will change very fast. Also interesting that the company portrayed is being forced to use sterile facilities for growing their foods while salmon farms are basically full of antibiotics and dead decaying fish being eaten by the other animals

[@fenris5269]

I'd be interested to see how the scaffolds are made.

[@pn8535]

Lab salmon might be easier to mask in a roll, but i'd love to see a proper lab fatty tuna and salmon nigiri. THAT would have me sold. Parasite and heavy metal free tasty seafood? YES

[@tgoddard1988]

I mean it is a massive step forward, don’t get me wrong, but just by watching the video I can see it doesn’t look quite right, there’s a certain translucency that isn’t there which is probably down to oil content and cell density. Also the way the sliced meat moved and bent looked off. All that on top of the comments that the flavour and texture isn’t quite right will make the squeamish turn it down. I would love to try it however and really hope lab meats take off and are actually competitive price wise when they come to market. I’m more on the geek and environmental side for why I want lab meats so I really feel like it’s tech countries should really be pushing for! I’m pretty certain there will be a day, probably after my time, where everyone will grow their own meats at home!

[@faye7199]

I agree with you but remember that this is just the start of it. Also, we do not know how the texture looks when cooked..we were only shown the raw version. Either way its benefits still outweigh the environmentally detrimental ways of the present.

[@tgoddard1988]

@@faye7199 oh 100%, lab grown meat is the way forward! I’ve been following it for about 15 years! Waiting for it to come to market! This is definitely the closest to the market of any I know of. But people are going to be squeamish about lab meats and more so with fish variants, so they need to make sure when they fully release it that they just smooth over the rough edges.

[@faye7199]

@@tgoddard1988 What i believe is that if people are okay with eating massive burgers dripping yellow cheese, and giant concoctions of ice cream with a bucket of chocolate, then they can deal with this:) I’ve never tried either but they look awful. It’s nice to see how supportive you are with your consistence track on their progress.

[@tgoddard1988]

@@faye7199 unfortunately your comparison between fast food and this tech isn’t one most people share, people see lab meats as “dangerous mad science”, this is mostly down to the types of idiots who believe in fake news and themselves spread misinformation. And if you’ve never eaten hamburgers or ice cream then you are missing out on life, but each to their own I guess. It’s not this specific company I’ve been following for so long, lab grown meats have been in the works since the 70’s, it’s only just in the past 10 years they’ve been able to make any real headway due to advancements in science and greater public awareness in the growing issues surrounding farmed meats, unfortunately even that is being held back by misinformation. I’ve heard so many people come back against it saying you can’t trust unnatural lab grown/ made products, then linking them to videos about how paracetamol or vanilla essence is made. Hint: neither of them are natural! Lol

[@ferbious7258]

@@tgoddard1988 actually in some vanilla essence there might be a beavers "balls" in it

[@rk13567]

As someone who loves both meat and animals, I'd love for this type of thing to become viable.

[@5gun1]

You love meat eh

[@dayonvespo]

There's no way you can love animals and eat meat at the same time like you can't be humanist and kill humans.

[@BuildinWings]

@Tony This is lab meat. You're obviously repeating a line you were told to say, regardless of the fact that it is a lie. You are not an animal lover, you a moral narcissist. Go away and let us solve the problem you have done nothing to fix your entire pontificating hippie life

[@rk13567]

Ah, looks like the vegan psychologists have invaded the comment section.

[@marybean2231]

Agree with you! There's no shame in switching to vegan/vegetarian things when you actually like them.

[@laughacct88]

Salmon is my favorite fish and this seems like a much better alternative. You could get the highest quality cells and the highest quality repeatable flavor and consistency

[@cette_cacophonie]

At least we know what's in lab grown meat. In mass produced real meat we dont know what they feed them or inject them or put enhancers and additives to enlarge them and the preservatives chemicals stuff like that.

[@russergee49]

My question is, how much energy and resources does it take to do this on a large scale? There is a point where the it becomes just as harmful to the environment to do this, as it would be to continue wild and farm salmon production. I applaud what they are doing, but this doesn’t mean there isn’t an environmental cost elsewhere.

[@numbernumber25]

No clue, but the energy and resources are probably pretty high right now. Eventually they will find a balanced medium with better techniques and technology to develop this lab food without as much energy. I will say though the main downside would be as more people start to use this in large excess or if a few companies dominate the market. The main issue being that as always there will be large food waste, if the dominating companies are corrupt they could collectively downgrade the quality and nutrients in the meat, and the amount of bootleg fish will rise. Much like any technology or new ideas, this thing could be useful but as you said there is a good chance that the question of the pros and cons of this new food development are weighted in the near future when problems become apparent.

[@tomfoolery2913]

In theory it should be able to become far more efficient than traditional farming, as the animals do not waste nearly as much energy through movement and loss through digestion. Maybe not for salmon, but for other animals it would definitely lower the environmental impact

[@genericscout5408]

it should be extremely expensive, but mostly due to the conditions needed to replicate this successfully. Someone has to pay rent for the facilities, and maintain the utilities and bills. Also it has to be very clean or it'll get ruined. As opposed to having any one of the farms being dens of filth but able to meet demands.

[@masterdeetectiv9520]

Much less, and also less polluting. First off energy isnt wasted in fueling a whole fish which has many unnecessary organs. Secondly many fish farms are in direct contact with the ocean so when farmers add chemicals like medicines for the fish it can leach into the water

[@NanomachineExE]

Is the juice worth the squeeze? Determining the drawbacks and gains is important, but perfect solutions almost never exist. Matter can not be created, nor destroyed, only converted. Thus in order to sustain humans, we must take from somewhere.

[@jessieliang1999]

There was a video a couple years ago for lab grown beef too. The amount of people who are willing to try lab grown meat is actually much lower than I thought. I'd definitely be willing to try but I do understand it's important to let research take its time too - these things can't be rushed if we want the best results

[@K0sm1cKid]

Bigger issue for me is that it's still super expensive. If they make it CHEAPER then they will change the world.

[@sladejosephwilson2300]

@@K0sm1cKid If it's cheaper then it will be worse then the fish we have now

[@indianumberonecountry]

@@sladejosephwilson2300 all these people want to pay 12x for a subpar product because the government is telling them ‘earth on fire’ instead of just going to their local river and catching 2 fish to feed their family. Unreal levels of ignorance imo

[@sladejosephwilson2300]

@@indianumberonecountry Some people still fish but, you are right. Most people are lazy

[@TheStockwell]

"A couple years ago" is a long time in the world of fake meat. A few years ago, in 2019, Impossible Foods was worth $2 billion. Today, the company's worth $10 billion. 🤔

[@breakhart]

as long as the basic composition is the same, these kind of grown lab meat together with plant based meat need to make big push since these can push down food price

[@eli_0625]

I think the lab grown salmon lowkey looks tastier

[@proxagonal5954]

The color is duller, so I disagree

[@arrsame]

I wanted to understand how they develop the color for the salmon meat. Because the color came from their food not the cell itself. I would love to know that. It would be interesting

[@Kurochana]

Taking a guess because I'm curious too, but perhaps they saturate the cell growth solution with some of the same nutrients that turn salmon orange? Like how salmon are fed different to prepare their colors for sale, the cells could have a similar process. The cell cultured salmon looks very pretty and uniform at the moment, could have had its color compounds from the beginning of growth.

[@bert7560]

I mean, in a way salmons are just mini "meat factories" for us to harvest their meat and discard the unnecessary components, organs, blood, etc. if there is a more direct way to grow their meat, it will be more efficient. Since we will waste a lot of resources feeding the fishes, nurturing the part that we don't need like bones, organs, blood, etc.

[@l3luel3xus]

This can also help with most of the parasites problems when eating a raw fish

[@Transformerseditz524]

I don’t really wanna eat lab grown fish because it just doesn’t seem right.

[@Exquailibur]

Its just regular fish, most of the vegetables and bread you eat is genetically modified so....

[@Moreen1224]

The main question I have is what is the nutritional value? Does it have the same value as fresh salmon? or is it decreased because of this process.

[@sladejosephwilson2300]

The most important question.

[@maximilian6829]

Of course the nutritional value is less. I’m sure it has to be pumped full of artificial nutrients and hormones to simulate the aging process of a natural fish growing in real time.

[@asurajun1712]

I fully support this, but at the same time, im worried about the future since companies will always find a way to reduce costs, which means these lab-grown meat products might be one of those products where it becomes dangerous to consume.

[@baronbrummbar8691]

can´t be more dangerous then actual fish is they are full of plastic and heavy metals

[@johnyliltoe]

And as of today the FDA has approved one company's distribution of Cultured Chicken; major milestone for the industry!

[@madebylewis]

aside from nuclear fusion, wide adoption of lab grown foods (all types) would surely top humanities greatest achievements

[@madebylewis]

@Tony and use no less farm land than we are now rather than allowing natural habitats to regrow, use freed up space to build more homes to lessen the housing/growing population crisis, and also feed the most famished parts of the world with (eventually) the most accessible source of food humanly possible?

[@madebylewis]

@Tony so use up to or equal to the current farm land? The point I'm making aside from all this is that if we could artificially create all this ourselves we can use less space, be free of weather/pest and other farm related complications, and ultimately become a higher level species as this could even be replicated in deserts, swamps, or outer space

[@noimnotakpoppfpsheacy2526]

Fakeness isn't necessarily a great achievement.

[@deepuyangala464]

Give me lab grown salmon as I stopped eating seafood due to plastic and water pollution. I'm craving for it... Its being doubled as it is cruelty free

[@jayathraaraman823]

Make sure about the medium. If it is FBS, it is more cruel than the conventional fishes.

[@ernstschmidt4725]

these lab meat are doing well focusing in high-end cuts. they could try stuff like bluefin tuna and such

[@kme321]

As a pescatarian I find this interesting. I hope this will reduce the number of sharks who are being killed every year, they're severely depopulated

[@CharlieRogers50]

Very ambitious concept, but very presumptuous that we could create something as perfectly balanced as natural salmon. To quote Ian Malcolm: "They were so preoccupied with whether they could they didn't stop to think of they should."

[@samihassan5158]

Of course nature will always be at the top of perfection we are looking for alternatives here

[@WilliamMcAdams]

Y'all have a lot more trust, and optimism, in human beings than I do.

[@herbosmoker848]

Trust in God.

[@sladejosephwilson2300]

Thank you!!!! People keep complaining about the bad stuff in it. But they fail to ask what's the nutritional value and if it becomes cheaper won't it be lower quality?

[@sladejosephwilson2300]

@@herbosmoker848 God doesn't do everything for us. He also can't fix stupid nor consumerism.

[@athmaid]

Does anybody know what scaffolding they are using? Are they ECMs?

[@maxresdefault_]

"it might be decades before this is anything other than a novelty" Well then, we'd better get started now

[@infinitise]

This is a fantastic idea, a lot of sustainable options have a higher cost yet there is still a market for it. I'd love to try it!

[@indianumberonecountry]

‘A higher cost’ its like 12x more expensive lol

[@Oogabooga877]

Enjoy all the chemicals and toxins they pump into “lab grown” salmon.

[@michah7214]

​@@indianumberonecountryfor now, like anything once it gains traction it would go down. I mean there's nothing wrong with options