COULD MATH BE PROVEN WRONG BY ALIENS?

[@Pangburn]

Full discussion here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6HFeaaIr510bdksi=naIKnRZDbjNJt4In

[@zombietech2010]

So glad there isn't a Weinstein included in this discussion!

[@masonkrcmarik7303]

Why

[@jon2026]

Sounds like something a nazi wannabe would say.

[@jatticusfinch9015]

Why why

[@TheBwest90]

Yeah, why?

[@jardennis4nd]

Did you say that to inspire debate? You can't be serious.

[@joy-of-chemotaxis]

Why are people still trying to answer the "Why aren't they here?" question without recognizing the congressional hearings asking questions about UAPs and "non-human biologics". The answer to Fermi's question is "the military won't tell us".

[@arich23]

It’s because the UAP silliness is obvious nonsense.

[@crispinhandly6159]

​@@arich23You're not following whats going on with the hearings and famous cases. Youve been conditioned to view the topic with knee-jerk skepticism your entire life and now that the time has come for you to pay attention and then re-evaluate your beliefs, you're in capable of doing so because of that conditioning. In short, you're closed minded. Your brain completely shuts down when the topic comes up. You cant even explain why the comment above about hearings is silly because youre not even familiar with whats been discussed during them.

[@smark1180]

The game of disclosure activists is to keep banging their "don't trust the government" drum. No evidence supports the idea that the government is lying about UFOs. The underlying rationale is, "The government contradicts what we believe, so they must be lying to us."

[@BradyHansen81]

The arrogance of our species never ceases to amaze me.

[@j8000]

6:05 this is the wrong way to look at it. Sure, if took a very short time for humanity to go for living in caves, to go to the moon. But it took the earth a third of the lifetime of the universe to bear forth sufficiently advanced life to start exploring the stars.

[@JohnWear-s3f]

I understand there’s things that I can’t understand about science and mathematics but I firmly believe many things we take as guarantees or absolute truths could end up being completely wrong or off. Look at human history how things have evolved and established truths have been proven wrong. I think religion has outlived its usefulness and will eventually be proven archaic.

[@TheBwest90]

And then you have a spiritual experience

[@smark1180]

@@TheBwest90 Unless you specify what you mean, using the word "spiritual" is just a lot of noise. Or, worse, it’s an intentional rhetorical trick.

[@EffToyz]

I love Sam, his dry sarcastic humor is the greatest

[@murrynathan]

Not all early television is bad. And honestly, is television any better today?

[@jardennis4nd]

Today, I read an article that electrons where previously believed to exist soley relative to its proton it charges only measured in whole numbers. Simultaneously, nobody can predict where an electron will exist within a three-dimensional universe. Is it more likely that the universe conforms to our senses or that our limited senses fail to perceive the universe?

[@jeffreylehman1159]

I think you need to reread that article, what you posted doesn’t really track.

[@jeffmccloud905]

Before life existed on this planet, who or what's senses did the *entire universe* conform to?

[@slangster233]

How long would it take for people to "invent", numbers, let alone design something as complex as the Great Pyramid, around basic numbers, like say, the number of hours in a day? Or with "irrational" numbers like the Golden Ratio? ( ie:The square root of 1.25, plus .5, = phi. ) 24 divided by 1.25 = 19.2, height, upper chamber 19.2 divided by 1.25 = 15.36, height, middle chamber 15.36 x 19.2 = 294.912, width, squared, both chambers (17.17300206 lix*) Yes, the "as built", dimensions of the chambers within the Pyramid are square roots, to eight decimals of accuracy. How did we forget this? ( 1 "lix" is ever so slightly longer than 1 English foot: 1.001006153, and base 10).

[@stevenswitzer5154]

About 260000 years I suspect

[@MantisEnergy]

The first thing they'd tell United States citizens is that it's mathS, not one single mathematic

[@bethh1954]

How does consciousness play into this?

[@rossini55]

Does anyone cleverer than me (that will be most of you) know roughly how many stars have potentially been reached by the first radio signals from earth?

[@facarvalho]

The first radio signals that humans have sent (in december 1901) out into space have reached approximately 123 light-years in distance. This means that they have potentially reached around 31,200 stars within this sphere.

[@JohnWear-s3f]

That’s why I LOVE Contact.

[@rossini55]

@@facarvalho Thank you....for doing my homework for me.

[@rossini55]

@facarvalho "Dear Earthlings......thank you for your radio signals, we are currently away from the planet on annual leave to another galaxy and will be returning in 250 million years. Please leave a message after the tone, and we will reply upon our return. Thank you. Beeeep!"

[@fignewtoneater]

why would you expect there to be life ? we don't even know how it started here, so assuming that it is elsewhere is a logical fallacy.

[@neverwinta7702]

Nice!!!!

[@Prayukth]

Maturity of math, art and science along with the quality of conversations would be used by the aliens to judge our evolutionary maturity...

[@ejenkins4711]

Its not the aliens yet not until the threads of the t432 alchemist wonder just what we left behind Aomps

[@barryt2666]

Why NOT humans? Why would HUMANS think math is wrong? And with the apparent superiority of quantum computers & AI, why couldn't the alternative or CORRECT calculations of the TRUE physical properties of the universe, dimensions & quantum factors be determined? Is it possible that the strategy to combine all factors of the universe & subatomic into a Unified Theory is inevitably not possible, just because the constants we've come to believe in are subject to change?

[@Eloquence00]

An advanced species might be able to look at our sciences and maths and, supposing they could understand it themselves, show us that our understanding was shallow but not that it's totally wrong. Science is not a religion, you don't need faith in it. Science grants understanding, which is always capable of going deeper. Math, physics, chemistry, etc don't cause phenomena to happen; they merely describe the how and why. The depth of that description might be lacking, but it's still accurate to a degree. A more advanced species might give us new sets of variables to consider, which we couldn't gather on our own for whatever reason, but we would incorporate them into our current understanding of the universe and use that to better our understanding. This has been largely shown as well, in recent times, with the disproving of the luminiferous ether and instead finding that it's largely empty space. It didn't break science or atronomy or anything, it just changed our understanding of it.

[@svtinker]

Why would aliens lower themselves to math or any other earthly notion?

[@IULIUSLXIX]

Math, quantum physics and mechanics, quantum entanglement are the kinder garden signatures of aliens.😂

[@janeeyre5909]

We cannot understand how to communicate with dogs. Well not everyone, but most cannot.

[@wyrdplae8586]

What are you talking about? People communicate with dogs all the time. What do you think "Sit" and "Stay" is? Or if you growl at them vs making happy noises at them. That is all communication.

[@jeffmccloud905]

If you have 2 more dogs than 1, how many dogs do you have?

[@roccov1972]

I disagree with the notion that aliens would see us as we see bacteria: useless and not worth the time. We have scientists who study bacteria for countless useful reasons. Plus, aliens might find many things interesting about us. Such as our art, music, ideas, inventions, and more. It’s just not true that we would not seem interesting to aliens. In my opinion.

[@prestonbacchus4204]

Well the speed of light problem would explain why we have not seen any aliens, assuming that really is a speed limit that even aliens can not break. So we are left with only one way to have alien encounters, in our consciousness. Perhaps there is no speed limit in that ethereal realm. So yea, by that aliens are among us.

[@stevenswitzer5154]

Wrong... No. Insufficient yes

[@jeffmccloud905]

Math, in general, no.

[@jamesobrien4087]

I am laughing at this because according to alien communications "received" we should love each other more and take better care of the planet. There's no maths from them, where is it? hehe

[@onioni111111]

Not wrong but primitive.

[@arifsaleem5467]

Hyper conscious hyper intelligent AI is the answer.

[@FollowJesusChristfirst]

Their Demons followers of Jesus Christ are fighting them....Jesus Christ defeated them....when he comes back you will see the judgment of them and us.God Bless.

[@smark1180]

"Jesus Christ defeated them" Define "them" and explain how they were defeated.

[@Nik531]

No Aliens. !! Sorry

[@NixonMainez]

Prove that

[@NixonMainez]

No god ..!!!…sorry

[@ViItramite]

Sure buddy

[@smark1180]

@@NixonMainez Prove no Santa Claus.

[@JustinKuleck-n1h]

Praise to Our Lord Donald Trump!! King of Endless Glory!!

[@traceler]

We need brilliant minds like Jordan Peterson and Sir Roger Penrose take on the issue.

[@arifsaleem5467]

No not JP, please!

[@richardlegrand4697]

​@arifsaleem5467 😂😂😂 " The archetype of the wise man is actually the result of the search of the lost father. The language of math is the truth of the lost father. Hence, the search for wisdom is an attempt to regain lost wisdom. But before you can obtain this treasure there will be the dragon of the post moderns and their wicked bluring of the truly evollmmnjn bhuknnnnkkmnllm Jjkkmnnkiib. Blah blaj..

[@zombietech2010]

@@richardlegrand4697 Well done! And then there be the whole bit about how dragons are real ;)

[@JohnWear-s3f]

No we do not, good lord why would you want Jordan Peterson to drone on for 20 minutes to not answer something. I think he’s overrated and he fills his responses with intellectual fluff. He sounds like someone writing a book report for a book he hasn’t read and doesn’t have a clue what it is about.

[@Merriwether-w8k]

@@richardlegrand4697 Please - you are so male centric its disgusting - women are half the world and they do math