Could Microsoft Teams be the end of Slack?

[@section_school]

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[@mhdnurafiq9502]

Section4 hi can give me advantage and disadvantages of slack?

[@keybraker]

Nadella has transformed Microsoft from the evil kid, to the cool kid, everyone wants to be around. It is really impressive how well Nadella executed that transformation and still is. The move to become part of Atlassian was very good but with Microsoft going full on 360 armoring themselves from every possible angle with the acquisitions of Github and linkedIn the future seems grim for a lot of competing companies.

[@digiryde]

So, more of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Just with open source used against open source. What happens when enough extinguishing has been done? Is Nadella really in charge of MS or is he just the CEO de jour? The ultimate bosses of MS are the shareholders. For this to be happening there has to be something that the true owners are getting which they want. In the past, Microsoft has done this. It eventually led to the anti-trust suit that GW Bush put an end to. History often repeats itself. As much respect as I have for what I see coming out or Nadella's term, I also know that he is ultimately only in charge at the leisure of the shareholders. The shareholders tend to go through cycles and eventually they swing from altruism and cooperation with the world, in general, to grabbing profits as the 1000 lb gorilla. The question becomes, where are we when the pendulum swings back and Microsoft owns IP in everything? So, I see this as a double-edged sword. I am only waiting for it to swing back again the other direction. I really do hope I am proven wrong over forever.

[@roninenlightened6350]

Zoho is good for SMBs too. They pretty much have business apps for everything in their portfolio.

[@duudleDreamz]

Microsoft's Teams, LinkedIn, GitHub are great (not sure what the "slowly killing off" refers to (self irony?)) MS is a different company since Nadella became CEO. He rocks, and it shows everywhere, including their stock price.

[@cordial]

LinkedIn is great?!

[@pankajrathi]

True that

[@sahilchawla9339]

@@cordial LinkedIn is LOVE

[@cordial]

@@sahilchawla9339 You need to get out more.

[@sahilchawla9339]

@@cordial It's pretty cold outside. I'd better stay inside.

[@MrChannelnamehere]

Having used Slack and now Teams. Microsoft has really pushed the development of Teams' integration into the O365 product ecosystem. MS has already ported over just about all features from Skype for Business into Teams and now the integration into Office/OneDrive/SharePoint is nearly seamless and getting better by the day. A few years ago Teams had very few features to justify using it over Skype for Business and/or Slack but that has changed drastically. It does feel like the Netscape vs IE days again. Slack will still have a place among smaller firms, especially those that aren't already subscribed to O365, but I can't see Slack realistically competing with Teams in the long term for dominate market share. Like Scott said, there is very little incentive to move from Teams to Slack, but there is going to be a ton of incentive for firms currently on Slack to move to Teams, especially if they use O365 (most companies do). I definitely wouldn't hold on to Slack stock long term.

[@jimbarino2]

Yeah, my old company was an early adopter of Teams and at first it sucked. But then I got used to it and it got better in the 2+ years I was using it. Now my new comany is on slack, and I am wondering what all the hype was about - it's much worse.

[@Yomamaissoo]

They just signed Amazon:) That surely is a tiny company.

[@valramos2003]

Who makes those motion graphics and graphs? They look so beautiful!

[@RobbyGulri]

I was wondering the same thing.

[@memau]

Probably his students for free 😄

[@dansal2002]

Adobe after effects

[@elmnt]

Here's the hard part: lots of big teams have been using Slack for years. They're used to it, they like it, and they have lots of important archived content on it. The idea of switching sounds like "We're gonna do the same thing on this new app now," When it's actually "We're going to disrupt the single most important tool of your productivity." Not so simple.

[@thunderb00m]

i am very interested in the statistics of customers who actually use slack to the full potential. we shifted from slack to teams since we were paying for office 365 anyways and i didn't miss slack at all. and i guess most businesses will do the same unless they have some niche. The only way i guess this could work is slack was bundled in with jira and confluence or something like that and then businesses would choose the better one.

[@timz6079]

I think most blue chip companies will switch to Teams. The true start ups that use Apple exclusively and think windows is the death star wiil stick with slack. Long term I would short slack big time.

[@jpdp3339]

So, should Slack have been better off selling to Amazon, or maybe Google, rather than an IPO?

[@sebgibson6442]

Yep, chat apps come and go in trends so it would be best for them to sell while they are popular.

[@justoncheney7172]

Interestingly, Microsoft tried to buy Slack before building Teams.

[@HermanWillems]

@@justoncheney7172 But probably calculated how much time and money it cost to build it, versus the current value of slack. Slack is heavily overvalued, so they choose to build it themselves. lol

[@JakeRobb]

Teams is an easy sell to corporations already on O365, and the document integration is cool, but from my standpoint as an end user recently forced to convert, it is quite terrible when compared to Slack. I’ve been keeping a list of all of the reasons I hate it. I’d share it here, but it’s too long. Many of the reasons are smallish when taken independently, but they really add up to a negative user experience.

[@bradchen5450]

Jake Robb would love to know Jake

[@braydenmiller8295]

Literally told my friend Teams will run Slack out of town a few days ago. We are switching from slack and google drive to teams for our financial modeling group projects.

[@rmdashrfv]

why the switch?

[@braydenmiller8295]

@@rmdashrfv My university has an Office 365 subscription, and Teams is better for storage/sharing/app integration for excel and powerpoint. My group does a lot of complex financial modeling and needs to have multiple people working in a file at once. The Slack/google drive combination we use right now is god-awful for excel and powerpoint compatibility. Slack itself is a good platform is just for Microsoft specific apps the integration is much cleaner.

[@ClipsNSnips]

Congrats man ;) We've been using Office 365 with Teams for a year now and it's been awesome... Having all first party software has a lot of perks ;)

[@rmdashrfv]

@@braydenmiller8295 Ah. Yeah that all makes sense then. Thanks

[@shorties4743]

The same argument could be made for Microsoft against Google for browsers. I wonder who won that battle?

[@NeroWolf42]

Unused slack when I started at my IT firm. But we're slowly moving to teams. I like slack alot more tho.

[@funny-video-YouTube-channel]

The editor did very well on this video. Great entertainment !

[@memau]

What about all enterprise customers who are still on Skype for Business or even Lync? They'll probably switch to Teams within the next year or two the latest and add hundreds of thousands of users

[@Dung30n]

Oh yes, our company is amidst the migration now. and it sucks

[@xerus7425]

Skype is so bad it hurts. Their call quality is extremely dated and the UI is just eh. Discord and Slack are so much slicker.

[@SheaMeehan]

SfB is being shut down mid 2021.

[@HermanWillems]

Switch to teams.(we did) Dead simple. Skype is going to die out.

[@cowboybuddhaful]

I've missed you so much, Professor. Thanks for these insights.

[@Joeofiowa]

Yep. It's VERY hard to justify using Slack if your team is already on Office and especially if you're using SharePoint. The seamless integration is just too useful. I was a hardcore Slack user, but when my company switched to Teams, I became a convert.

[@ramirenriquez6795]

Been using MS teams for a year now. It can use more shortcuts like tagging all users in the room, which I was able to do in Hipchat before, more personalization like the font, themes, those settings that make you the controller of the app, not the other way around. Just started using Slack 2 weeks ago because of an instant communication request from an outside org, will see how that goes.

[@timthesheriff]

Ramir Enriquez After using both, what are your thoughts?

[@xplor236]

Professor, there is another factor at play. In big enterprises there are many teams that don't really get along with the "cool tools" like Slack. Think legal, accounting, finance, HR, etc. People from these functions are still using things like Lync or Skype for Business and they are more likely to adopt a MS product, which looks and feels like what they already know, than the cool solution. In my experience, it was been way easier to convince a coworker from these functions to use Teams. HR doesn't really care about connecting apps or bots that order lunch, they need something that is easy to use and allows them to chat with other people from around the org.

[@adithyan-rk]

Slack Pros: 1. Cool UI (This is very important to keep-up employees' productivity) 2. Reply/ Quote feature for individual chat 3. Global Search 4. Better Support 5. Drawing feature in screenshare Slack Cons: 1. Low Call Connectivity (We fixed this by using free Zoom subscription, do you know that you can replace default call button with zoom) 2. Remote access in video - This too taken care by Zoom 3. Cost (Just try asking them in ticket to reduce the cost, they will do it. We have had experience) Teams Pros: 1. Together mode in Video 2. Video & Call Quality 3. Office files editing & One Drive integration Teams Cons: 1. Worst UI/UX - Coming from slack makes teams look like Windows 98 2. Restrictions - For example: if you make a channel private, you cannot move it to public again. vice versa. 3. Conversations - Still many features like direct reply is missing. 4. Half baked Integrations without bots. 5. Remote access feature is not stable. Their support accepted this flaw and still not fixed. Final Comments: If you are not a windows person, don't even think of Teams. Its still not matured enough as Slack. The only disadvantage of Slack is on the video/call, this can be replaced by Zoom . Our vote is for SLACK!

[@chethan93]

My company just switched us from Skype for business to Teams. It's really tough for Slack to effectively compete and find an edge against Teams since most of the enterprises are tightly knit with Microsoft suite of products.

[@RickLaBanca]

Hard to imagine leaving slack unless ms offers a way to migrate data. I suspect google would be the best buyer. We are a google suite shop and that’s the battleground, 360 and google.

[@timthesheriff]

Rick LaBanca I agree. Hangouts Chat is off to a great start, but I think that Slack as part of G Suite would be AWESOME!

[@stevebauman]

I see this as a really good avenue for them - Google would finally compete in the enterprise chat space and can continue chipping away at Microsofts install base.

[@NthreeE]

We tried Teams at SKF and it was a shitstorm. Went back to Slack.

[@TheCeki1982]

SKF the Swedish bearing company?

[@NthreeE]

@@TheCeki1982 Yes

[@TheCeki1982]

@@NthreeE - I am an engineer myself and learning a new application (including slack) shouldn't take much time. Do you think Slack is accessible to everyone?

[@NthreeE]

@@TheCeki1982 The way slack is handling channels and chats is much better. Althou, at my new position at another company who use Teams a lot, I have found teams is better now since I posted my comment. I would always prefer Slack over Teams atm. Althou, the way slack handles invites to channels and how you "add" a group to desktop app via the browser, it's insane how bad it is. Crazy amount of clicks to join a group.

[@TheCeki1982]

@@NthreeE - Microsoft has a more dominant market position than Salck, and has more resources to keep improving. As far as I can tell from demos, Slack has more integrations with third parties. I don't think we can satisfy everyone 100 percent. Conclusion : I don't like Microsoft.

[@Diode5]

I've always said Slack needs a buyer. The cost of running Slack on its own without being bundled with any other productivity software, including the lack of conferencing will give too many reasons for many orgs pick Teams. I come from an org that's picked Slack and it does its core job very well, while Teams does a lot of things but it's still trying to come together in it's awful UI. Software developers are by far the biggest champions of Slack, but I'm sure there are orgs out there that Teams is simply the better fit particularity where Office integration is core.

[@broLgray]

The problem Slack has, however, is that users don’t care about Teams perceived terrible UI. My org, for example, uses Teams and we absolutely love it. We had no other platform we switched from, just used it because it was included in Office 365. After using it, I’ve started comparing, and it makes no sense not to use Teams. With OneDrive, Planner, Outlook, OneNote, Flows, etc...what’s the point in paying 3 or 4 different subscriptions when everything is included for less than $5 per user in Office.

[@Diode5]

@@broLgray Sounds like you're utilising Teams with the O365 integrations quite well. Whilst we're an O365 org, not many people have been educated on how to leverage the O365 suite to its full potential, there is under investment in maximising what has been purchased in the suite. On the other hand it's good that we're open to tools outside MS ecosystem.

[@JDSileo]

This video showed up in my feed because the algorithm knows I am switching from Slack to Teams. From a cost perspective alone (and with the economic downturn on the horizon) bumping our exchange licenses (@ 4/user/month) to O365BE (@ 5/user/month) which includes a ton of SharePoint and one drive storage by the way...is a no brainier. The feature difference for what most companies actually use is so slight it would be IT malpractice to go with Slack over Teams if you are already on Exchange 365

[@eingoluq]

MS is also making SharePoint and teams mirror each other. So a tab in Teams is a Web part (they call it?) in Sharepoint. so code one, install once.

[@JDSileo]

@@eingoluq even better!

[@Racingmix]

2:00 "...forced to switch from Gmail to Outlook?" Nice analogy. Ouch!

[@bridghamt]

sorry I forgot about that. Google(Gmail) for business is great for start ups, but very few major companies use it, because google doc sucks, there is no collaboration space other than hangouts, google sites are a joke. Google Docs is at best 20% as capable as Office. MySQL is a poor mans version of SQL. and while Gmail is good (I use it ) it has a lot of draw backs. FYI I was a google admin.

[@gwills9337]

@@bridghamt well said

[@xerus7425]

@@bridghamt MySQL is a poor mans version of SQL? SQL is simply a standard, not some product.

[@bridghamt]

@@xerus7425 close: while it is a standard it is really in name only, as adherance to the standard is not enforced and you still need to preform transforms to normalize your data. SQL is a language, there are many different languages and MYSQL is one of the weakest and least capable( In my opinion). Try moving a MYSQL db even to a new instance of MYSQL, try getting to talk to anything. While SQL has its weaknesses it is a much better preformer in business than MYSQL. hence my statement.

[@chrismackay9268]

I don't get the Outlook hate, I prefer it to Gmail by a longshot. I am not a fan of Teams though, we get Teams included with our Action Pack but still use Slack currently, I'm not looking at migrating any time soon. And I can guarantee our Engineers will not be happy using Teams.

[@nuthinking39]

The comparison with the iPhone didn’t make much sense. Allowing some employees to use iPhone is very different to forcing all of the employees to use it. While it’s true in big corps some teams can be free to choose one instead of the other (extra cost), hence the forcing is more fragmented, long term the tool where you can access all your colleagues will win. Option 2 with an initial focus on tech professionals, as suggested, seems the only option then.

[@silversiva]

Just speaking from our company's experience: MS Team is filled with ridiculous UX bugs and is incredibly slow (compared to the competition). We had a MUCH better experience with Hipchat (for it's straight-to-business feel and integrations for developers) and Slack (for overall UI/UX and speed). Looking forward to the day we move away from Teams!

[@HermanWillems]

How stupid(Hipchat is gone btw), both Slack and MS Teams are build on Electron. And Microsoft has extensive experience with building Electron apps for example Visual Studio Code. They both have the same limitations of Electron. (Which is just a browser, actually) So they have both the same UI/UX speed limitations. Also i think when you use Teams now, it's alot faster i think. Also: Microsoft OWNS Electron. (The foundation which Slack is leaning on) So Microsoft can increase performance of Electron, and Slack cannot. Otherwise they have to fork that MASSIVE project. (They can't, don't have enough cash for that) Electron came from Github, and Microsoft aquired Github. Slack will slowly dissapear.

[@ClipsNSnips]

Our organization has been using Microsoft Teams for the last year now, together with Office 365... It has been such a great way to collaborate across our org, and is so smooth using all first party software. Highly recommend. 5 Stars ;)

[@12vLife]

Teams for collaboration is good enough and will continue to evolve .. MSFT's secret sauce will be seamless integration with tools in that bundle that enable no-code streamlining and automation like Microsoft Flow. And when you start to see features that leverage Natural language and AI it will be game over for everybody else.

[@tweisel309]

The thing that will save slack if anything can it’s development shops that use non-Microsoft solutions. MS shops tend to stick to MS just because the billing is easier and development moves faster. Why use Jira, AWS, Slack and Gmail when developing .NET code if MS can handle all of it for you with one payment and give you Azure, Teams and O365. Places that develop code based on Python and Java are going to be Slack’s Luke Skywalker. If Microsoft wants to Alderan Slack the easiest way to do it is to make it a free add on to any of their other business solutions. Are you a dev shop who wants MSDN to get your developers Visual Studio? Here, have Teams. Are you a small law firm looking to handle documents, email and presentations on O365? Here, have teams. Easy way to knock them out. Slack is nice, I’ve used both, but Teams is going to just become embedded into everything MS.

[@satishvemuri9052]

I used teams and slack, slack is definitely a better product but then, it is not a make or break for me and you can’t beat the bulk office purchase

[@dreamglimmer]

few misconceptions in video by the author that never worked in big corp using Ms services: - instead of thinking as MS tries to kill competitors in NEW martet, it merely tries to catch up it's own market of Skype For Business/Lync that IS a part of office business plans and IS long due for renovation in everything that is not direct calls or meetings. that's like telling that Win 10 tries to kill Os X, while it's natural upgrade path for Win 7/8/8.1 - slack is good at two things - compact messaging platform, like chats in the IRC era were, and sending pictures. even though it has some annoying integrations for viewing docs/pdf, it's still easier to click on doc, click download, click open folder, and finally see document in native app. - teams shines in calls, collaborations, sharing content during video calls, AND having design match the behavior: in slack each message look like a chat message but behave like post(you can create a thread on it), though notification wise it's more like message (imagine Folks A B and C discussing something on top level, than comes D and asks something page up as a thread on message of B. there wont be any notification for A and C, and thread itself is only showing as a link, one page above, expanding in sidebar.) teams treats and displays each message as a separate post, so if it has newer replies than post after it - it gets pushed down as most recent one, immediately displaying few most recent/unread replies under it, and having the ability to expand it there. it also has chats tab, where everything looks and behaves as... chat :D

[@htstffcmnthru]

I use both slack and teams at work (tech consulting). Slack is the better product. Not sure how teams has better reviews on app store. Companies that are baked into office 365 will use teams even though it’s worse. Companies that aren’t bought into Microsoft environment use slack (like choosing aws vs azure).

[@MickDavies]

Slack for life. Love all my gitlab and forge / envoyer hooks for our projects in production.

[@petergrillet9003]

No mention of Google’s Chat which comes part of its ‘rundle’ or Facebook’s Workplace?

[@elftax]

People forget about Microsoft’s secret weapon; salespeople, who have built close relationships with corporations over time and have regular communications with the most important IT decision makes in the firm. An IT buyer might read about or even try a demo of Slack but the Microsoft Sales Rep can bring in a specialist to give a 3 hour demo on exactly how Teams can be implemented in your business.

[@victoriagrey5973]

The key play here for Microsoft will be to drive a deep tie-in between Teams and the Github developer experience.

[@zalcandil]

And I would add that while Slack is still "better" as a pure communication tool, Teams is way ahead as a Project Management tool. I think the TAM of the second case is much bigger.

[@duudleDreamz]

Agreed: The Visual-Studio/Teams/GitHub/Azure combo.. wow!, should be interesting to watch. And as an aside: The Unity3D guys now claiming that half of all games downloaded in past year are written in Unity (using MS C# as main language). Is this for real?

[@andrewgodman]

I love that teams can’t run video calls on a 4k screen on my Macs or Windows dev machines. Some of these have 8GB of video ram. Meanwhile zoom handled it on a potato fine. Slacks huddle has now removed the need for zoom so much and call quality isn’t as bad as it use to be. I will note our parent company uses teams so we are meant to move off g-suite/slack and over to 365. But if we have to use it remotely we’ll likely end up using other tools anyways.

[@AuthorPreneurElite]

Dude... how? ... The way you tell stories, draw parallels, and draw similitude is really intelligent (John Legend.... hahahaha 😂😂😂)

[@chubbychop]

Wish I found this channel sooner - great content!!! Please keep up the great work

[@OneTimeHero]

I love your work. Thank you for still producing relevant content with educational underpinnings.

[@nightlifeking]

Thanks, I never took the time to check out what Teams was and was going to start using slack. Guess I’ll hold off for now - Office 365 Customer

[@jorgeavelar98]

Teams is amazing! It makes sense why Slack is losing ground so fast

[@ClipsNSnips]

Go with Teams for sure, especially if you've already got Office 365. Better Together ;)

[@digheanurag]

You’ll find, that answer is the reason why people choose Teams: cost.

[@thomasczthomash1859]

I've never understood why people have this hate for Microsoft. I've been a Microsoft fan since 3.1

[@brianmorales]

Really appreciate the Star Wars parallel

[@shotbyheem]

slack is just discord for business

[@davidcollier6842]

discord is just slack for not working

[@javerikr]

Slack came first though; Discord is Slack for gaming (and they all are derived from IRC)

[@drewidian5081]

My organization with with Slack over Teams and I hate it. With Teams, you have a number of products bundled together and reasonably work well. Now that we have Slack we have to add Box, Zoom, Monday, Tableau, Office 365 (for Office and Email), Survey Monkey, and a slew of other products that don't integrate well. Teams with Outlook integrated everything including creating forms, power apps, tabs, and a slew of other capabilities that Slack just can't provide. The choice was made because some of our partners used slack, but as an enterprise tool Teams is just better to manage and has better control. Once Teams gets private channel security and our contract is up, I'm going to make the argument that we should move to teams and dump all of these other services. The bean counters will definitely be on my side.

[@CodeDoctorJet]

HAHAHAHA!!! I just threw up in my mouth then spit it on the screen. No. Just... no. Our leadership team recently required the use of Teams because it's "free" for us and Slack cost like $100/person. Result? People just started e-mailing instead. Now guess what... we're back to Slack. Productivity should be worth more than $100/year.

[@Yomamaissoo]

Absolutely.

[@mbrown78701]

Should Atlassian kept Hipchat .... both of my last two companies moved from Hipchat to Teams when Atlassian tried to push Slack @ triple the cost per user. Given the close feature parity and much lower cost; it will be difficult for large companies to justify the more expensive Slack when Teams is less than half the cost

[@grim86]

Office 365 Suite completely shits on GSuite especially for business. Gmail just sucks ass when you get to more than a few users

[@sohambhatia]

slack is a superior product, period

[@jorgeavelar98]

it definitely is not.

[@ThisDesignLife]

Jorge Avelar-Lopez it really is

[@uroshekic]

What does he say between 0:40 and 0:45? I can't seem to understand it.

[@JMKats89]

Can't believe I just found this channel! Subscribed and watched all the videos! Great stuff!

[@section_school]

Thank you! Check out all Scott's Hot takes on our IGTV instagram.com/section_four/channel/

[@nukeout]

Great vid - unclear if you're holding on to a table or a walker off screen 😆 #subscribed

[@ThisDesignLife]

Seven Shurygin he’s doing shoulder pulls with free weights

[@eingoluq]

This Design Life ha!

[@Bradastan]

I was pretty shocked slack went public with such a narrow product market. My company adopted O365 this year, 20K employees. I've never actually seen slack but understand it looks a lot like teams.

[@snapverse]

Atlassian should just buy Slack at this point.

[@MuhammadHanif-yd9ts]

Or google should buy slack

[@Viper4ever05]

hmm, that's actually not a bad idea. It sort of fits

[@HermanWillems]

But slack is based on Electron, and Electron is owned by Github, Github is owned by Microsoft and Microsoft has Teams which is also build on Electron..... Not a very good position for slack to build their software on Electron right?

[@benrivera3298]

I want to learn Excel. Whatever happened to Netscape Navigator?

[@domgia9248]

Atlassian products are usually incredibly slow and sluggish.

[@maulyus2265]

do you have recommendation for team designer? better use microsoft teams or discord? for free use

[@ZachSchnackel]

First time listening - really enjoyed it!

[@Dung30n]

Heres my gripe with microsoft o365 and its supporting apps: teams is discord stream is twitch yammer is twitter and on goes the list. you get the point. they see something good, adopt it, and kill off the original

[@MiaChillfox]

They make comfortable products that are good enough that people don't go looking for great solutions. When looking at team chat apps then I would rate Microsoft at the bottom, Discord at the top, and Slack, Gitter, Mattermost, etc... in the middle.

[@ricardoOT3]

Great content. Clarity of thoughts, well explained and with good examples. Musical preferences are dubious though. Thanks for the good work.

[@fmerl3908]

i use both in my office, i use JIRA for work with service providers that usually means using slack when i have to chat with the developers, but i was forced to move to teams as the primary method of communication inside the company.

[@natalieeuley1734]

Slack is also being eaten from other angles. Slack used to be the most common way for casual groups to make a workspace, but now that title goes to Discord. Discord offers a lot more features for casual users than Slack does, and Teams offers more features of enterprise users. Slack is being eaten from both ends and soon there will be no place left for it

[@driekwartappel]

I think the biggest downfall of Slack is its cost. $8 per user per month for a chat service? I find this very pricey, and would recommend Slack reduce their costs to get more users, to get even more users

[@SoftwareManiacLSM]

good summary. A little too intense perhaps? Whew.

[@KristoferOlafsson]

Between Teams, slack, and discord. Teams feels like a better place to get work done and collaborate. Slack is difficult to get work done and switching between all the various spaces I’m in is a pain. Discord is just noise.

[@michaelcorbett4236]

One issue you don't mention is the inertia of using Microsoft products. At some point companies will go back to platformless, text/json based ideas - yes full circle, much like serverless architecture. Word is basically being writing literature. GitLab will probably remain as the parser works well. It won't happen for a few years but it will happen

[@davidlocke4977]

Team was an installed product from the 90's. Nobody used it back then.

[@red_giant1274]

Teams = loved by business users => key bundle is the office suite Slack = loved by developers => key bundle would be the developer suite Good fit with Atlassian, but Microsoft acquired GitHub. That would have been a key piece

[@kinglyone7172]

as a Teams user, I much prefer Slack. Both Slack and Teams have the same annoying problem, if I'm in a channel and something occurs in another channel, I get nothing. Also, notifications on my phone from Slack work inconsistently. I have to be running Slack in the foreground for some strange reason.

[@jonathanwarner1844]

Using Teams with Office 365 in a small business at the moment - 12 staff. We're finding Teams rather clunky to use and with low uptake with the staff. Usability is key and if it was more usable I am sure there would be high uptake. Has anyone used both Teams and Slack? How do they compare to actually use? Having lots of features isn't enough.

[@edwinbruining222]

I don’t know how it works in the US but in Europe, lots of enterprises has Office and the just choose Teams because it easy and quick to add to there accounts. So Slack will have to fight till blood is behind there eyes, to win this in Europe. Can someone please end this Microsoft terror!

[@stevebauman]

Just discovered this channel, love your content!

[@Harveevideos]

Been working with Slack for the past year. Before that, at a previous job, we were using the early stages of Microsoft Teams. Even with early stages experience, there is not a single day I wish the new company I now work for switches to Teams. It's that good. IMO

[@chefbambu9382]

Excellent presentation. Gracias.

[@vineetdev2009]

Hello guys, I will talk from tech perspective and as a software engineer who works in MSFT. To be truthful, I hate Teams and so is with many colleagues. And because we don't have any choice, we hope that Teams will eventually become as good as slack someday. But trust me that day seems far away.

[@Yomamaissoo]

Or you will transition to Slack:)

[@Gilotopia]

The other thing that is eating away at slack is mattermost. It's soared in popularity recently.

[@AlanPatterson]

Great video. Something else not mentioned is "#SlackDown " has been trending on Twitter far too often performance issues need to be addressed.

[@DolceFarNienteASMR]

Amazing as always! Just a bit of extra sauce: Slack has not evolved as a product since ages, their calls feature is awful, and it's not designed to scale as a company does. Those three points are exactly the opposite with Teams. I'm using both at work and we consider them products that yes, overlap, but have quite different purposes in practice. I've used and loved Slack for ages, eg for integrations, but ended up hating that the interface enhances noise instead of reducing it and that the admin tools are a mess and the help docs are Never up to date. I arrived to Teams just months ago and definitely not a fan on some of its features, but having used Zoom, Hangouts, Skype, and almost all other videoconference tools under the sun, in that area Teams is spectacularly ahead. That's the superpower of Teams itself, beyond its placement on the MS ecosystem. Also I think Steward, despite being a wonderful leader in many aspects, is reaching his competence limit. I don't think he is ready to take Slack, both as product and as company, forward from this point on. Eg product not evolving despite hiring an army and him investing on WeWork are really bad points on his record. With Teams... Time will tell. They must be really careful with how they evolve the product at this point, eg chat features that could turn it into a new lame HipChat, and avoid overcomplicating it.

[@ajstexas]

Welcome back Scott! I think you owe all Slack employees a hug.

[@bfishe]

#Question What's the difference between logo renewal and dollar renewal in a recurring revenue business. I get the general premise but would really love to hear this broken down a bit further. Do they both matter? Just one is good enough? Thanks Prof. Love the new channel as I was a diehard viewer, fan, and student of the Winners & Loser Segments on the former L2 channel. Loyal fan of Pivot it too. Thanks for all that you do!

[@shamshermann]

Respect 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 excellent video. The star wars section was totally out of the world

[@busyrand]

Whoa!!! A new Scott Galloway Channel! Subscribed...

[@section_school]

Thanks! Want more Scott? Check out our IGTV instagram.com/section_four/channel/

[@eingoluq]

I don't get people. If Microsoft doesn't introduce a similar service, people would say they are falling behind and outdated. When they do introduce something similar they should be hated. I tried Slack couldn't get a handle of it. It seems for developer-friendly with all those shortcuts etc. For the most part, it was fine, but takes a lot of effort to integrate with other tools. Microsoft Teams work out of the box. There are a few weird things about it similar to Slack but it's rare in my experience.

[@apexturn3725]

I have outlook, Google meet, and slack(only my dept) at work and I would ditch Google and MS I favour of only having slack . Im with Scott and absolutely loathe Microsoft tools for office "collaboration".

[@2fast2nick]

Haha, have you actually used Microsoft Teams? I don't think so

[@volcomstone54]

Teams is great, much better than Slack. There are more tools to be used with Teams. File storage, Microsoft Projects, Video Calling, Voice Calling. To be fair I haven't used slack since January but I never really liked it even when I started using it two years ago.

[@elijah5791]

We started using Teams. I think it's fantastic. Love its integration with Office 365. MS has a winner, imo.

[@volcomstone54]

@@elijah5791 Our University uses so much of the Microsoft products it's dumb if we don't implement them. Every single user on campus gets 1TB of OneDrive storage just to name some of the benefits.

[@madwindsurfer]

Yes works great. Can leave slack behind and wouldn't miss a thing

[@masterkutai]

There is one big difference between Teams and Slack. Slack is made for small teams. Teams is made for companies with thousands of people. When your company use Teams, they can mandate you to be a part of few (or many) noisy group, in which you can't leave. And oh, the company may also mandate, if you want to made a reply in a channel, on whether you can reply outside the office vicinity. That's right, you can use your own mobile phone, but it may be geofenced. Teams is made for it to be able to handle the whole company top down. Have a single IT department to handle overseas all the Teams usage in the company. Make policies that applies to everyone, without the possible chaos of everyone managing their own group, possibly increasing support cost. Slack is made for small teams. If you have a different teams, create your own. It is made to also allow multiple Slack groups on a single client, all with different owners/admins. This way, the teams manages themselves, which is very different principle when compared to Teams.

[@Sempuukyaku]

Sorry to be that guy.....but in my opinion, Teams is JUST BETTER than Slack. Actual integrated video chat, far more integration with Office365, and a smoother....less cluttered UI. Teams is just the superior enterprise option.

[@igorbat15]

That MySpacep page was hilarious!

[@jorgeavelar98]

Teams is simply a far more superior product. You guys should check it out. Slack will definitely not be able to compete

[@TTillahFK]

I have js scripts that are older than you kid..

[@lecadou]

The funny things is that Microsoft makes you believe that they are lagging behind!!!

[@digheanurag]

IDK... harder to find things, share code, deploy 3rd party apps, need an admin to collaborate... doesn’t sound better to me.

[@1903Mills]

Such a well made video!

[@sharansrivatsa210]

Umm. But how many of teams users are Microsoft employees?

[@criley0007]

This is such a good channel

[@iii-ei5cv]

kudos to M$, but I just don't see them actually forcing out their competition in these spaces. Whatever the bean counters think, devs generally AREN'T in favor of being stuck within the walls of some vendor-specific ecosystem. I'm not saying it doesn't happen of course, but you will always have pressure from the bottom up to diversify, and that pressure is probably greatest whenever your tech talent has more power than "business" side of things.

[@digheanurag]

iii //The cost play they’re going for will convince the Execs every time. I love Slack way more, but P&L doesn’t lie

[@harishseethapathi7110]

what do you think about slack today?

[@cybermonkeyusa]

Microsoft Teams has a free tier, too.

[@GeorgeKofos]

The success of InTune and its Teams integration will be the final decider here as far as Business use is concerned. Also Slack isn't doing themselves any favors by not wrapping the app in any MDM SDK...

[@bridghamt]

there is a free version for anyone with an outlook.com or Hotmail.com account. TEAMS is not a new function, but a evolution of SharePoint. Teams is 1/2 of what is now called a modern site for SharePoint Online.

[@MrAtomUniverse]

Yes, there's potential... but I'm already stuck to Microsoft Team already. The only problem with Microsoft is, they seem to hire engineers whom are really good at coding but when it comes to UX UI, they can't do it LOL

[@tsancio]

I find Microsoft Teams to be more of a Zoom than a Slack competitor. It's screen sharing feature is nifty and most likely, you or your company is already paying for an office subscription. Zoom's advantage is its better tech than others such as Webex (where it came from) or GoToMeeting. But when the rest is good enough and you already suscribe to Microsoft, why use Zoom?