Could the 2025 Toyota Crown Signia be a budget RS6?

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@migy5031 10 ай бұрын

The design is a home run (to the extent possible for Toyota). I think the Signia might be cross shopped against the Lexus RX which is a very appealing package also.

@garman7921 6 ай бұрын

Actually the new Lexus TX350 is the twin to the Signia

@JackSmith-qi7dr 10 ай бұрын

“You can’t always get what you want, but if try sometime, you may find you get just what you need…” This will be under produced and sell like hot cakes.

@MotoManTV 10 ай бұрын

I hope they will indeed sell which will force the market to take notice and perhaps we would see more choice!

@springertube 10 ай бұрын

@@MotoManTVYes indeed...and the form factor a whole lot of otherwise sedans and 5 door hatches--that don't look it--should be (looking at you Civic, Accord, Integra and other Acuras, etc)...thanks also to Volvo and to a degree Audi, Mercedes leading the way. It's been criminal we've been denied the 5 Series Touring as long as we have (2012?), damn SUV market...says an SUV owner!...but I'm at heart an old wagon guy so love this. The Signia should kill the Crown sedan -- hopefully, which in its current form sort of seems the answer to the question no one asked -- the sedan frankly has done a poor job of passing on the "crown" of the Avalon.

@JamaicanMeCrazy 8 ай бұрын

The pandemic really fkd over consumers. Oems are deliberately withholding supply to artificially inflated prices. This should be illegal

@macstone9719 10 ай бұрын

I like the color very much, and yes, a performance model should follow. Power wagons are the way to go if you have to combine family and sportscar into one vehicle. I love them. Driving dynamics are so much better than SUVs.

@cheapercharlie 10 ай бұрын

I am a station wagon lover and swoon over the looks and sound of the RS6 . your wish list for the GR version make my knees weak. la résistance serait vaine.

@Jedi_Order81 10 ай бұрын

I love this design! Hope I can have one in my garage one day

@markcarpenter1703 10 ай бұрын

I’m a little confused about the “station wagon” comparison. I’ve heard almost every reviewer use those words. I’m not seeing it. It looks like a normal SUV to me.

@StopWhatYerDoing 9 ай бұрын

No one buys station wagons, so they refer to it as a catch-all 'SUV' because that's what everyone thinks they need right now. This is just a lifted wagon with a taller body, like the Subaru Outback. Although it can be argued that modern SUV/crossovers are just tall lifted hatchbacks and wagons anyways. The Outback is very much a lifted wagon though, but Subaru themselves calls it an SUV for marketing purposes. We're seeing the same thing with the Signia. It's still referred to as the Crown Estate outside of the SUV-crazed United States.

@MrNemo721 10 ай бұрын

Budget RS6? Hyperbole much? Doesnt get the Hybrid max turbo, has a CVT, FWD most of the time Slip-N-Grip non-mechanical AWD. A Subaru Outback alternative at best.

@caryg4638 10 ай бұрын

It’s not the traditional cvt. Look up Weber state’s video about this.

@mirceamunteanu4791 10 ай бұрын

You read my mind, I would love a reasonable and reliable wagon other then the Audi RS6 Avant. Looks very tempting but needs a rear bias AWD for better handling to win me over.

@michaelbrown9363 10 ай бұрын

I have no need for something this practical, yet I’m drawn to it.

@robertrubi3805 10 ай бұрын

A GR Version of this would sell. Put the RX500H F Sport Performance engine here with the right suspension tuning will make it very appealing.

@jamielivingston2566 9 ай бұрын

This is why I like the Gen 1 Venza so much. Lower roofline and wide stance give better driving character. The gen 1 Venza has the 275hp V6 with the 6 speed automatic which is powerful, smooth and reasonable economy.

@CellPhoneCareCenter 10 ай бұрын

Wish the crown sedan was a liftback/sportback/hatchback. They really dropped the ball on that. The only way to convince the crossover lovers to try a car is to give them the utility. Leave the sedans for Lexus. Crown Signia is amazing. More luxurious, efficient and reliable Outback. Will broaden wagon popularity immensely. Anyone who uses roof racks will appreciate it…

@tektraxm 10 ай бұрын

The standard "Crown" in the Japan market is a sportback design, but the American market is high on SUV's & crossovers for it to come here.

@cafn8ed74 10 ай бұрын

Wagons are pretty great, and I think more Americans would drive them if they weren't afraid of looking like parents (even those of us who are). However, instead, we have a fleet of wagons on lifted suspensions that exude adventure, but trip over their own hiking boots if pushed too hard into a corner. I'd love to see more "cool dad" wagons that shed the stigma and can hold their own on cloverleaf or curvy country road.

@MrT_RainMan 10 ай бұрын

I am a total wagon man with more than a few 3 pointed star types under my belt. That looks like a SUV wanting to think it is a wagon. No SUV will ride as good as a German wagon. It is too bad the US population is like sheep in they follow everyone else on the SUV path. Wagons will always ride better, handle better(most people don't know how to drive any more), better mpg, more interior space, look far far better and are safer!

@noopynnus 10 ай бұрын

I think a PRIME version of this would be pretty interesting.

@MotoManTV 10 ай бұрын

Agreed but the price of something like that would keep it from being a reality - at least in the US.

@The_Stanman 10 ай бұрын

Good call. Prime would also make it eligible for the $7500 tax credit.

@Sajikibara 10 ай бұрын

If there's going to be a zippy version of this, i'm in. Doesn't have to be 340hp like the smaller Crown but something quick and efficient, that would be sweet!

@billsmith8339 10 ай бұрын

Yeah, it should be at least 340+ hp!

@timothymeehan4643 3 ай бұрын

That would be great 👍🏼

@clickynote 10 ай бұрын

That is a very Panamera-esque rear light signature, which is to say an EXCELLENT thing.

@MotoManTV 10 ай бұрын

I tried my hardest to avoid bringing up Porsche is at least one episode but yes, very Panamera (more Cayenne) in that rear.

@clickynote 10 ай бұрын

@@MotoManTV to me looks more Panamera Sport Turismo.

@rycuddles 10 ай бұрын

I like the idea of a GR wagon, I’d also like to see another wagon that has 3rd row seating like the E350

@milkmanfitness 10 ай бұрын

First viewer why does this feel special? Ego? Talking to myself, Motoman you are underrated in the car review space, been watching from the days of comparing Equus to Mercedes if my memory serves me correctly

@MotoManTV 10 ай бұрын

WOW . . . that's been 14 years . . . Greatly appreciative of you being on this journey with me that long . . . More to come!

@egonpax 10 ай бұрын

Toyota please bring the Crown Sport to the US/NA. It looks amazing!

@javim2589 10 ай бұрын

I think you are in the right path. I would go for the rav4 prime setup for this car as an swap but here I bring u my thoughts.... let's just bring the century v12 and sell some units before anything with a piston becomes a forbidden fruit

@jbwise2002 10 ай бұрын

A GR (or TRD or Platinum) Trim Hybrid Max Powertrain(2.4 Turbo 340HP) Red Interior Option (or black w/ red accents like TRD or XSE camary) 5 exterior colors from Crown Platinum $58k

@Pedroaghyu 10 ай бұрын

Wrong colour to show case a car. It’s too dark. You can’t see the design well enough

@karennz1099 5 ай бұрын

I just really wish they did the macadamia leather interior like the sedan. Actually wish the sedan had a hatch lift back. And I like the higher sit of both.

@chancewilson207 10 ай бұрын

Nice looking car. But it suffers from the same problem as most Toyotas. It’s massively underpowered.

@Bedhop 10 ай бұрын

Definitely should get the Hybrid MAX option

@Bentsi2002 10 ай бұрын

I love how you described an old mercedes :)

@DHLaw 10 ай бұрын

MotoManTV, here's a thought... Can you ask your Toyota connections about utilizing the Crown name as an internal sub-brand, i.e. Crown sedan, Crown Signia, and Crown Venza (Crown Sport that looks like the Ferrari). Toyota can keep the Venza name and bring the Sport to the US.

@The_Stanman 10 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure that's exactly where they're headed with this 2nd "Crown" model. Sub-brand that sits between Toyota and Lexus.

@mirceamunteanu4791 6 ай бұрын

GR Crown Signia sounds perfect for Canada and USA

@MissingInPerson 10 ай бұрын

great addition to toyota lineup.

@mfbikle 10 ай бұрын

Wish the panoramic sunroof would open

@bassandtrebleclef 9 ай бұрын

I think motoman described the perfect family car. Need for fun family car hasn't gone away, but it is being ignored for less than 65k. Toyota, you can do it.

@nobodyyouknow4319 10 ай бұрын

Trying to find out where the wagon is, more like a SUV / Crossover than wagon, much taller than any C class wagon or RS6. More like a more modern version of the Venza

@roberthart9886 8 ай бұрын

I love my 2004 Saab 9-5. 2.5 turbo, 0-60 in 7 seconds. a true estate, You had me until you said hybrid. WTF??? The extra cost and battery replacement does no justify the extra cost. Ok, you saved it much later mentioning a non hybrid, lower road height, more like a true estate

@ronforeman2556 8 ай бұрын

A six-foot load floor? That's long enough to accommodate my wife's concert grand harp (provided it's roughly four feet wide between the rear wheel wells). Our 2019 Kia Sorento fits the bill and is running fine, but I'm always looking ahead should the unexpected occur. Looks like I should mosey on over to the auto mall and take a closer.

@drive-channel1834 4 ай бұрын

I'm waiting for the GR Sport version Toyota Crown Signia GR-S With 3 Liter INLINE-6 DIESEL

@macoyupadoodle 10 ай бұрын

That day time running light was from the mazda concept car.

@tab9920 10 ай бұрын

Hope they end up putting the hybrid max in this…would love that combination.

@timothymeehan4643 3 ай бұрын

Hells Yeah. I love a wagon. I don’t trust the Volvo reliably, and a Subaru has No Style. I wish I could afford a German long roof. Can’t wait to test drive. The space looks great. Both my wife and I are artists, and we’re constantly moving big canvases, so we need something long. We currently have a Highlander. The car is great quality, but the ride is no bueno for me. Love your Show. 😊

@blueshark3098 10 ай бұрын

Yeah, I like your idea for the GR version, too. Sounds fun.

@DimitrisBXL 10 ай бұрын

This is a very nice car. Any info if or when it comes to Europe?

@chrispnw2547 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for the content and excellent perspective.

@MotoManTV 10 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

@PD-nz5rk 10 ай бұрын

Current RS6 owner, my wife has a c300 wagon. I see the appeal of this. We went from SUVs to wagons and never looked back.

@chileshemubanga3594 10 ай бұрын

The front bumper black side "air vents" where the fog lights are look kinda like the ones on the Lexus LF-A super car.

@forumboss2620 10 ай бұрын

Uhh… those aren’t the fog lights! Those are the actual headlights… just two LEDs (one per side) that are too low.

@skagerstrom 9 ай бұрын

It's not a wagon - it's just another crossover. The Crown Signia at 162 cm roof height, is 4 cm lower than an XC60. A real wagon like the Kia Optima is (was) 146 cm. The V60 is 143 cm. The 3-series wagon is around 144 cm. In your weird units - this is around 7" higher than a real wagon. What makes this NOT a SUV or crossover?

@air-headedaviator1805 10 ай бұрын

A Crown wagon, like proper. This could be huge

@treads2595 10 ай бұрын

I’m probably the only person that likes the Crown sedan. It’s an acquired taste.

@fraserjudd9483 2 ай бұрын

What you are asking for, and what I would buy, is a Crown Signia Prime

@jprusso224 10 ай бұрын

I want a real Lexus version of this.

@electrikoptik 10 ай бұрын

The RS6 is a maintenance queen and will take a big depreciation hit. They are fun to drive though.

@MotoManTV 10 ай бұрын

Agreed on the first part of your statement, but definitely not on the second. Like Porsche GT cars, they are rare and will continue to be rare. As such, the market will covet them . . . and I am anything but an Audi guy.

@forumboss2620 10 ай бұрын

You did not mention real disappointments - too low single LED headlights where fog lamps should be, not so great mileage for a hybrid, dangerous (hot) glass roof on high end model, stupid 21” wheels (more expensive tires, worse ride), and very plain non metallic color that looks cheap.

@blueshark3098 10 ай бұрын

Love the review, and all the time you spend talking about the body design. Stay with it. It reminds me of being in my art history class way back in the day. I thought the professor was way too sincere at the time, but sincerity is the best approach when talking about art and design. Great analysis, sah!

@jsfbay1 10 ай бұрын

George, you called the red & black Crown a hatchback at 0:51. As far as I know, it's a sedan with a regular trunk, isn't it? On the other hand, the blueish vehicle is a nice look wagon to me, and I *love* me a nice wagon! Very nice! But please - ask your Toyota rep. for the Hybrid Max powertrain please? Can't a guy who loves a wagon have it with a more powerful drivetrain, as in, the Hybrid Max? I'm begging you! And I'm begging Toyota! And as it turns out, I write my comments as the video is progressing, so at the end when you ask for a more powerful engine and a few other tweaks to get a budget RS6. You read my mind! Yes!

@ricklyon2833 10 ай бұрын

They have a max version of the engine in Japan, that would be nice. I just want the Crown Sport to come to the US.

@tonyayala7951 10 ай бұрын

Saw this at LA auto show, The Honda CRV Hybrid sport is bigger with better gas mileage and cheaper.

@ddavid26 10 ай бұрын

Please tell Toyota to bring back Venza 😅 this is ugly and pricy

@Youtuberkt 8 ай бұрын

This is pricey but not ugly.

@ivandoneshefsky4762 9 ай бұрын

Do a Lexus version of this with the turbo max.

@garman7921 6 ай бұрын

Looks like the new Lexus TX350 has a twin Toyota brother

@revmotor 10 ай бұрын

The Crown Estate is a home run

@jackp2563 8 ай бұрын

The price point must be lower than that of Lexus RX350h for me to consider one.

@Hallowsaw 9 ай бұрын

Unless the msrp is 40-45k its not worth the cost. I could get a highlander hybrid or sienna for that price

@tobyhall7617 10 ай бұрын

That's a cross over not a wagon

@GordonBeckles 10 ай бұрын

Yep... 😉 ...I LIKE the budget RS6 idea! 👊🏾

@rolersonpaule7419 9 ай бұрын

Just call it a SportWagon or WagonSport. Who cares. It’s a car and some will like it and some won’t. If car companies didn’t take risks in design, then they would be boring.

@CMCNestT 10 ай бұрын

Just stick the Platinum Max powertrain in there. I can wrap it brown myself.

@florinvid 10 ай бұрын

When I heard RS6, I was expecting the 3.5 turbo V6 from the LS, plus an electric motor at the rear, making around 500hp altogether. But this is a naturally aspirated? Come on now. Nevertheless, a nice car, Toyota is going places these days.

@TosinSalisu 10 ай бұрын

This should have the max hybrid powertrain as standard!!!

@ttinnovations3310 8 ай бұрын

NIce, Toyota please Please put the i Force Max power train in this, and the aftermarket can take care of the rest, give us an option so we do not have to buy German

@petejr7583 10 ай бұрын

Upscale “A6” Toy using a hood prop rod..lol. Btw, no one is picking up on the copied Ferrari SF90 headlight treatment on this and the Camry…hammerhead lol. Hammerjack!

@brandonedwards4398 5 ай бұрын

Problem w/ RS6 Toyota Wagon idea is- it wouldn't sell. This car is meant for baby boomers who want a seat height where they don't have to step up or sit down to get in the car. That's why its replacing the Avalon.

@ehtostaf3286 10 ай бұрын

It's a Subaru Forrester with different taillights and head lights. Subayota.

@michaelfrancis-vb7tp 10 ай бұрын

That sounds interesting.

@magnoliap5824 9 ай бұрын

I drive an SUV, it’s called the highlander with a V6 engine, tons of cargo room and 8” ground clearance. This isn’t an SUV IMO. 😂

@hipposnakeyo 9 ай бұрын

Would buy a hybrid max version

@haserotmalach7324 10 ай бұрын

Wagon. And if I bought one, it would be black and I'd lower that suspension to delete that tire/fender gap and replace those wheels with a set of black Ferrada FR4s.

@ianpolo5673 10 ай бұрын

Car display at launches should avoid dark colour cars, dark surroundings because we can't see the details and interior better to appreciate their new products at first hand.

@kresimirmilisa5560 10 ай бұрын

Very good small size suv😊

@tektraxm 10 ай бұрын

I definitely don't think it's fair to consider this a station wagon. The Crown family has an identity crisis. Toyota seems to be creating "sedan" style designs, while placing them on SUV sized tires & suspension. I guess the Crown-coupe and Crown-hatch are up next.

@jeffs6090 10 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure they won't like you calling it a station wagon. It's a bit too tall for that anyways.

@drive-channel1834 4 ай бұрын

Hammer head, the new un-spindle?

@BertShackleford 10 ай бұрын

It's in the same category as the old Ford Flex. That is to say: *_Other._* First there was the hybridization of drivetrains. Now we have the bastardization (for lack of a better term) of categories. Does anyone remember when crossovers first hit the scene? Nobody knew what to call them. Was it an SUV? Was it a lifted hatchback? Was it a melted midsize truck? Or perhaps a morphed minivan? I rest my case. Stay classy my friends.

@michaelvella8511 10 ай бұрын

It may not cost $150000 but cost more then a top line Lexus NX300h......

@ELP1125 10 ай бұрын

Not a fan of the color, maybe it'll look better in black or white

@garyclark6747 10 ай бұрын

I vote yes for the Budget RS6 tweaks. I would add a bigger battery to keep that bigger motor fed longer and more hybrid recharge capability to recover quicker. With that we may even score better EV only range so add the J3400 inlet for those destination chargers and call it better than the RS6 in that respect. Call it a budge RS6 with a bonus. 👍🏼 8:45

@markb3866 10 ай бұрын

Its 🔥

@bsmuda 10 ай бұрын

🤞 don’t say EV don’t say EV

@PatrickWilliamsI 10 ай бұрын

You will doom this, if call it a wagon. No one wants wagons. It seems like once one becomes a car reviewer or an auto journalist they must clearly sing from the mountains their love for a manual station wagon or hatch. The buying public don't care about your fantasies.