Could the 2025 Toyota Crown Signia be a budget RS6?

Toyota says it is bringing another SUV to the US in 2025. Looking at it, one sees a tall - depending on how you say it - estate or station wagon. MotoMan is given an early glimpse into the all new 2025 ‪@toyotausa‬ Crown Signia and makes the case that the ‪@TOYOTAglobal‬ Crown Signia is really a station wagon and has the potential to be a budget Audi RS6 . . .
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[@JackSmith-qi7dr]

“You can’t always get what you want, but if try sometime, you may find you get just what you need…” This will be under produced and sell like hot cakes.

[@MotoManTV]

I hope they will indeed sell which will force the market to take notice and perhaps we would see more choice!

[@springertube]

​@@MotoManTVYes indeed...and the form factor a whole lot of otherwise sedans and 5 door hatches--that don't look it--should be (looking at you Civic, Accord, Integra and other Acuras, etc)...thanks also to Volvo and to a degree Audi, Mercedes leading the way. It's been criminal we've been denied the 5 Series Touring as long as we have (2012?), damn SUV market...says an SUV owner!...but I'm at heart an old wagon guy so love this. The Signia should kill the Crown sedan -- hopefully, which in its current form sort of seems the answer to the question no one asked -- the sedan frankly has done a poor job of passing on the "crown" of the Avalon.

[@JamaicanMeCrazy]

The pandemic really fkd over consumers. Oems are deliberately withholding supply to artificially inflated prices. This should be illegal

[@migy5031]

The design is a home run (to the extent possible for Toyota). I think the Signia might be cross shopped against the Lexus RX which is a very appealing package also.

[@garman7921]

Actually the new Lexus TX350 is the twin to the Signia

[@MrNemo721]

Budget RS6? Hyperbole much? Doesnt get the Hybrid max turbo, has a CVT, FWD most of the time Slip-N-Grip non-mechanical AWD. A Subaru Outback alternative at best.

[@caryg4638]

It’s not the traditional cvt. Look up Weber state’s video about this.

[@Jedi_Order81]

I love this design! Hope I can have one in my garage one day

[@macstone9719]

I like the color very much, and yes, a performance model should follow. Power wagons are the way to go if you have to combine family and sportscar into one vehicle. I love them. Driving dynamics are so much better than SUVs.

[@michaelbrown9363]

I have no need for something this practical, yet I’m drawn to it.

[@cheapercharlie]

I am a station wagon lover and swoon over the looks and sound of the RS6 . your wish list for the GR version make my knees weak. la résistance serait vaine.

[@mirceamunteanu4791]

You read my mind, I would love a reasonable and reliable wagon other then the Audi RS6 Avant. Looks very tempting but needs a rear bias AWD for better handling to win me over.

[@markcarpenter1703]

I’m a little confused about the “station wagon” comparison. I’ve heard almost every reviewer use those words. I’m not seeing it. It looks like a normal SUV to me.

[@StopWhatYerDoing]

No one buys station wagons, so they refer to it as a catch-all 'SUV' because that's what everyone thinks they need right now. This is just a lifted wagon with a taller body, like the Subaru Outback. Although it can be argued that modern SUV/crossovers are just tall lifted hatchbacks and wagons anyways. The Outback is very much a lifted wagon though, but Subaru themselves calls it an SUV for marketing purposes. We're seeing the same thing with the Signia. It's still referred to as the Crown Estate outside of the SUV-crazed United States.

[@noopynnus]

I think a PRIME version of this would be pretty interesting.

[@MotoManTV]

Agreed but the price of something like that would keep it from being a reality - at least in the US.

[@The_Stanman]

Good call. Prime would also make it eligible for the $7500 tax credit.

[@chrispnw2547]

Thank you for the content and excellent perspective.

[@MotoManTV]

My pleasure!

[@jamielivingston2566]

This is why I like the Gen 1 Venza so much. Lower roofline and wide stance give better driving character. The gen 1 Venza has the 275hp V6 with the 6 speed automatic which is powerful, smooth and reasonable economy.

[@robertrubi3805]

A GR Version of this would sell. Put the RX500H F Sport Performance engine here with the right suspension tuning will make it very appealing.

[@CellPhoneCareCenter]

Wish the crown sedan was a liftback/sportback/hatchback. They really dropped the ball on that. The only way to convince the crossover lovers to try a car is to give them the utility. Leave the sedans for Lexus. Crown Signia is amazing. More luxurious, efficient and reliable Outback. Will broaden wagon popularity immensely. Anyone who uses roof racks will appreciate it…

[@tektraxm]

The standard "Crown" in the Japan market is a sportback design, but the American market is high on SUV's & crossovers for it to come here.

[@rycuddles]

I like the idea of a GR wagon, I’d also like to see another wagon that has 3rd row seating like the E350

[@Bentsi2002]

I love how you described an old mercedes :)

[@javim2589]

I think you are in the right path. I would go for the rav4 prime setup for this car as an swap but here I bring u my thoughts.... let's just bring the century v12 and sell some units before anything with a piston becomes a forbidden fruit

[@clickynote]

That is a very Panamera-esque rear light signature, which is to say an EXCELLENT thing.

[@MotoManTV]

I tried my hardest to avoid bringing up Porsche is at least one episode but yes, very Panamera (more Cayenne) in that rear.

[@clickynote]

@@MotoManTV to me looks more Panamera Sport Turismo.

[@cafn8ed74]

Wagons are pretty great, and I think more Americans would drive them if they weren't afraid of looking like parents (even those of us who are). However, instead, we have a fleet of wagons on lifted suspensions that exude adventure, but trip over their own hiking boots if pushed too hard into a corner. I'd love to see more "cool dad" wagons that shed the stigma and can hold their own on cloverleaf or curvy country road.

[@edysinsimon8646]

Oh...I really like this!

[@Sajikibara]

If there's going to be a zippy version of this, i'm in. Doesn't have to be 340hp like the smaller Crown but something quick and efficient, that would be sweet!

[@billsmith8339]

Yeah, it should be at least 340+ hp!

[@timothymeehan4643]

That would be great 👍🏼

[@milkmanfitness]

First viewer why does this feel special? Ego? Talking to myself, Motoman you are underrated in the car review space, been watching from the days of comparing Equus to Mercedes if my memory serves me correctly

[@MotoManTV]

WOW . . . that's been 14 years . . . Greatly appreciative of you being on this journey with me that long . . . More to come!

[@blueshark3098]

Yeah, I like your idea for the GR version, too. Sounds fun.

[@Bedhop]

Definitely should get the Hybrid MAX option

[@MissingInPerson]

great addition to toyota lineup.

[@MrT_RainMan]

I am a total wagon man with more than a few 3 pointed star types under my belt. That looks like a SUV wanting to think it is a wagon. No SUV will ride as good as a German wagon. It is too bad the US population is like sheep in they follow everyone else on the SUV path. Wagons will always ride better, handle better(most people don't know how to drive any more), better mpg, more interior space, look far far better and are safer!

[@jbwise2002]

A GR (or TRD or Platinum) Trim Hybrid Max Powertrain(2.4 Turbo 340HP) Red Interior Option (or black w/ red accents like TRD or XSE camary) 5 exterior colors from Crown Platinum $58k

[@egonpax]

Toyota please bring the Crown Sport to the US/NA. It looks amazing!

[@tab9920]

Hope they end up putting the hybrid max in this…would love that combination.

[@macoyupadoodle]

That day time running light was from the mazda concept car.

[@GordonBeckles]

Yep... 😉 ...I LIKE the budget RS6 idea! 👊🏾

[@chileshemubanga3594]

The front bumper black side "air vents" where the fog lights are look kinda like the ones on the Lexus LF-A super car.

[@forumboss2620]

Uhh… those aren’t the fog lights! Those are the actual headlights… just two LEDs (one per side) that are too low.

[@Pedroaghyu]

Wrong colour to show case a car. It’s too dark. You can’t see the design well enough

[@DimitrisBXL]

This is a very nice car. Any info if or when it comes to Europe?

[@michaelfrancis-vb7tp]

That sounds interesting.

[@DHLaw]

MotoManTV, here's a thought... Can you ask your Toyota connections about utilizing the Crown name as an internal sub-brand, i.e. Crown sedan, Crown Signia, and Crown Venza (Crown Sport that looks like the Ferrari). Toyota can keep the Venza name and bring the Sport to the US.

[@The_Stanman]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly where they're headed with this 2nd "Crown" model. Sub-brand that sits between Toyota and Lexus.

[@mfbikle]

Wish the panoramic sunroof would open

[@karennz1099]

I just really wish they did the macadamia leather interior like the sedan. Actually wish the sedan had a hatch lift back. And I like the higher sit of both.

[@chancewilson207]

Nice looking car. But it suffers from the same problem as most Toyotas. It’s massively underpowered.

[@timothymeehan4643]

Hells Yeah. I love a wagon. I don’t trust the Volvo reliably, and a Subaru has No Style. I wish I could afford a German long roof. Can’t wait to test drive. The space looks great. Both my wife and I are artists, and we’re constantly moving big canvases, so we need something long. We currently have a Highlander. The car is great quality, but the ride is no bueno for me. Love your Show. 😊

[@electrikoptik]

The RS6 is a maintenance queen and will take a big depreciation hit. They are fun to drive though.

[@MotoManTV]

Agreed on the first part of your statement, but definitely not on the second. Like Porsche GT cars, they are rare and will continue to be rare. As such, the market will covet them . . . and I am anything but an Audi guy.

[@ricklyon2833]

They have a max version of the engine in Japan, that would be nice. I just want the Crown Sport to come to the US.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

I think motoman described the perfect family car. Need for fun family car hasn't gone away, but it is being ignored for less than 65k. Toyota, you can do it.

[@jprusso224]

I want a real Lexus version of this.

[@mirceamunteanu4791]

GR Crown Signia sounds perfect for Canada and USA

[@air-headedaviator1805]

A Crown wagon, like proper. This could be huge

[@kresimirmilisa5560]

Very good small size suv😊

[@drive-channel1834]

I'm waiting for the GR Sport version Toyota Crown Signia GR-S With 3 Liter INLINE-6 DIESEL

[@nobodyyouknow4319]

Trying to find out where the wagon is, more like a SUV / Crossover than wagon, much taller than any C class wagon or RS6. More like a more modern version of the Venza

[@TosinSalisu]

This should have the max hybrid powertrain as standard!!!

[@roberthart9886]

I love my 2004 Saab 9-5. 2.5 turbo, 0-60 in 7 seconds. a true estate, You had me until you said hybrid. WTF??? The extra cost and battery replacement does no justify the extra cost. Ok, you saved it much later mentioning a non hybrid, lower road height, more like a true estate

[@markb3866]

Its 🔥

[@fraserjudd9483]

What you are asking for, and what I would buy, is a Crown Signia Prime

[@CMCNestT]

Just stick the Platinum Max powertrain in there. I can wrap it brown myself.

[@revmotor]

The Crown Estate is a home run

[@ronforeman2556]

A six-foot load floor? That's long enough to accommodate my wife's concert grand harp (provided it's roughly four feet wide between the rear wheel wells). Our 2019 Kia Sorento fits the bill and is running fine, but I'm always looking ahead should the unexpected occur. Looks like I should mosey on over to the auto mall and take a closer.

[@hipposnakeyo]

Would buy a hybrid max version

[@florinvid]

When I heard RS6, I was expecting the 3.5 turbo V6 from the LS, plus an electric motor at the rear, making around 500hp altogether. But this is a naturally aspirated? Come on now. Nevertheless, a nice car, Toyota is going places these days.

[@ivandoneshefsky4762]

Do a Lexus version of this with the turbo max.

[@garman7921]

Looks like the new Lexus TX350 has a twin Toyota brother

[@tonyayala7951]

Saw this at LA auto show, The Honda CRV Hybrid sport is bigger with better gas mileage and cheaper.

[@haserotmalach7324]

Wagon. And if I bought one, it would be black and I'd lower that suspension to delete that tire/fender gap and replace those wheels with a set of black Ferrada FR4s.

[@jsfbay1]

George, you called the red & black Crown a hatchback at 0:51. As far as I know, it's a sedan with a regular trunk, isn't it? On the other hand, the blueish vehicle is a nice look wagon to me, and I *love* me a nice wagon! Very nice! But please - ask your Toyota rep. for the Hybrid Max powertrain please? Can't a guy who loves a wagon have it with a more powerful drivetrain, as in, the Hybrid Max? I'm begging you! And I'm begging Toyota! And as it turns out, I write my comments as the video is progressing, so at the end when you ask for a more powerful engine and a few other tweaks to get a budget RS6. You read my mind! Yes!

[@jackp2563]

The price point must be lower than that of Lexus RX350h for me to consider one.

[@Hallowsaw]

Unless the msrp is 40-45k its not worth the cost. I could get a highlander hybrid or sienna for that price

[@ttinnovations3310]

NIce, Toyota please Please put the i Force Max power train in this, and the aftermarket can take care of the rest, give us an option so we do not have to buy German

[@forumboss2620]

You did not mention real disappointments - too low single LED headlights where fog lamps should be, not so great mileage for a hybrid, dangerous (hot) glass roof on high end model, stupid 21” wheels (more expensive tires, worse ride), and very plain non metallic color that looks cheap.

[@petejr7583]

Upscale “A6” Toy using a hood prop rod..lol. Btw, no one is picking up on the copied Ferrari SF90 headlight treatment on this and the Camry…hammerhead lol. Hammerjack!

[@tobyhall7617]

That's a cross over not a wagon

[@ehtostaf3286]

It's a Subaru Forrester with different taillights and head lights. Subayota.

[@michaelvella8511]

It may not cost $150000 but cost more then a top line Lexus NX300h......

[@ianpolo5673]

Car display at launches should avoid dark colour cars, dark surroundings because we can't see the details and interior better to appreciate their new products at first hand.

[@tektraxm]

I definitely don't think it's fair to consider this a station wagon. The Crown family has an identity crisis. Toyota seems to be creating "sedan" style designs, while placing them on SUV sized tires & suspension. I guess the Crown-coupe and Crown-hatch are up next.

[@treads2595]

I’m probably the only person that likes the Crown sedan. It’s an acquired taste.

[@drive-channel1834]

Hammer head, the new un-spindle?

[@jeffs6090]

I'm pretty sure they won't like you calling it a station wagon. It's a bit too tall for that anyways.

[@ELP1125]

Not a fan of the color, maybe it'll look better in black or white

[@PD-nz5rk]

Current RS6 owner, my wife has a c300 wagon. I see the appeal of this. We went from SUVs to wagons and never looked back.

[@ddavid26]

Please tell Toyota to bring back Venza 😅 this is ugly and pricy

[@Youtuberkt]

This is pricey but not ugly.

[@fegik5922]

I only care about the crown sport model

[@skagerstrom]

It's not a wagon - it's just another crossover. The Crown Signia at 162 cm roof height, is 4 cm lower than an XC60. A real wagon like the Kia Optima is (was) 146 cm. The V60 is 143 cm. The 3-series wagon is around 144 cm. In your weird units - this is around 7" higher than a real wagon. What makes this NOT a SUV or crossover?

[@blueshark3098]

Love the review, and all the time you spend talking about the body design. Stay with it. It reminds me of being in my art history class way back in the day. I thought the professor was way too sincere at the time, but sincerity is the best approach when talking about art and design. Great analysis, sah!

[@rolersonpaule7419]

Just call it a SportWagon or WagonSport. Who cares. It’s a car and some will like it and some won’t. If car companies didn’t take risks in design, then they would be boring.

[@bsmuda]

🤞 don’t say EV don’t say EV

[@magnoliap5824]

I drive an SUV, it’s called the highlander with a V6 engine, tons of cargo room and 8” ground clearance. This isn’t an SUV IMO. 😂

[@BertShackleford]

It's in the same category as the old Ford Flex. That is to say: *_Other._* First there was the hybridization of drivetrains. Now we have the bastardization (for lack of a better term) of categories. Does anyone remember when crossovers first hit the scene? Nobody knew what to call them. Was it an SUV? Was it a lifted hatchback? Was it a melted midsize truck? Or perhaps a morphed minivan? I rest my case. Stay classy my friends.

[@brandonedwards4398]

Problem w/ RS6 Toyota Wagon idea is- it wouldn't sell. This car is meant for baby boomers who want a seat height where they don't have to step up or sit down to get in the car. That's why its replacing the Avalon.

[@garyclark6747]

I vote yes for the Budget RS6 tweaks. I would add a bigger battery to keep that bigger motor fed longer and more hybrid recharge capability to recover quicker. With that we may even score better EV only range so add the J3400 inlet for those destination chargers and call it better than the RS6 in that respect. Call it a budge RS6 with a bonus. 👍🏼 8:45

[@PatrickWilliamsI]

You will doom this, if call it a wagon. No one wants wagons. It seems like once one becomes a car reviewer or an auto journalist they must clearly sing from the mountains their love for a manual station wagon or hatch. The buying public don't care about your fantasies.

[@artureff3046]

I need cylinders.....nEVer

[@LetMeCook86]

You also get a faked new DRL design language. garbage designed rear tail lights and Red rear turn signals. 🤮

[@romineckok.9724]

fix that front grill please

[@jacoe33333]

the camry is a disaster. the signia is excellent..

[@TheCarGuru]

Wagons are aweome. This Toyota is not awesome nor is it a wagon. Sorry.

[@marcelstanford430]

It's starting in the right direction but yeah, it has some distance to go.

[@tinhinnh]

whats wrong with extra ground clearance? good luck finding a new real wagon

[@lloydlee8512]

It more like 2015 Toyota Venza wagon V6 Limited AWD but it nothing wrong with it it still run today

[@watchman1178]

I don't want a wagon, but I really like this Signia.

[@lloydlee8512]

@@watchman1178 yes they stop making Venza again to this one