Could Ukraine's fast light vehicles be a tactical lesson for other militaries?

Footage purportedly from the Ukrainian offensive in Kherson show Ukrainian Humvees speeding across open ground towards Russian positions to deploy soldiers to the front line.
Defence analyst Nicholas Drummond says the use of a very light vehicle, travelling very fast can have a very rapid effect against the enemy despite looking "a bit Mad Max".
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[@marcusott2973]

It's the Cossacks performing a 21st century cavalry charge, for this you need 2 things lightly armoured vehicles and heavily armoured balls.

[@MrDmitriRavenoff]

Kinda amazing the balls of these soldiers don't exceed the weight capacity of the vehicle. Modern day cavalry charge, but with ATGM's.

[@BubblewrapHighway]

Numidian cavalry didn't even have saddles and reins. Just a rope around the horse's neck.

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

Interestingly, despite their popular image, most Cossacks were foot soldiers.

[@mycure0498]

Cossacks then, Cossacks now

[@kogabriga7537]

Sehr gut,🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍

[@ryabow]

this isn't exactly a new tactic. a buddy of mine in the 82nd Airborne took fortified airport in Desert Storm with nothing but humvees and infantry, because they knew the Iraqis didn't have any heavy support. It's the modern equivalent of a cavalry charge on an unprotected flank.

[@WellBattle6]

And against the Russians, it's an unprotected flank with no communication back to base. The Russians have really bad command and control in this war. Truly only effective against low-morale enemies, and it wouldn't be feasible against determined opponents.

[@RHarris-007]

except the Ukrainians have more balls, because they use Humvees with artillery landing all around them.

[@stevenwilson5556]

@@RHarris-007 Russian artillery isn't exactly very accurate, they don't have a lot of drones, and probably their best and most skilled artillery troops are long gone-dead or wounded and out of action, or captured.

[@gtmafiaa]

@@RHarris-007 the guy literally says there were no russian artillery in the area but they are brave asf.

[@RHarris-007]

@@gtmafiaa Yes however the Ukrainians do this ANYWAY whether or not there are artillery. I saw another video with Humvees zooming along dropping men off, all while artillery rained down. A US commentator said "this is warfare that we wouldn't take these risks, but this is a nation determined to take their land back". So yes they are braver than US troops who have loads of back up and safety plans. and wouldn't even venture in to areas of artillery landing. Makes me extra horny these brave Ukrainian men!

[@Pemmont107]

"What are the Russians getting wrong?" Everything. Literally everything.

[@Tragicide]

They are on a speed run to make it in the guiness book of world records into break evry rule and lesson taught in the book of sun tzu.

[@stevenwilson5556]

Let's start back in 24 Feb when they invaded Ukraine for the 2nd time…

[@harrybuttery2447]

And yet even though they are outnumbered 2-3 to 1, here we are. What are the Ukrainians getting wrong?

[@Argosh]

@@harrybuttery2447 not a lot. They are utilizing the limited amount of modern Hardware and the large amount of Soviet hardware and adapting well to fighting an enemy that doesn't follow the laws of war. Despite the Russians commiting warcrimes whenever they can the Ukrainians so far aren't retaliating in kind. They're just continuing to roll over the Russian so called military in a measured and deliberate pace. Gonna be fun to see those pigs squirm once winter arrives and they have to fight in summer clothes while the Ukrainians have full winter battle kit.

[@dazamanday]

@@harrybuttery2447 here we are what? Saying that as if they're currently in a strong position lol yet all they've done in the last 2 months is lose ground

[@GHOSTSTALKER90]

Good to see the humvee being used as it was intended during design

[@georgeemil3618]

Yes, the Humvee was not intended to go grocery shopping or contribute to traffic congestion.

[@roadhouse6999]

The Humvee was meant to replace the Willy's Jeep as a utility vehicle for use in the rear. It got pressed into service as a light reconnaissance and patrol vehicle in the GWOT.

[@allanchurm]

pleased ukrain army have good officers all the way up to the generals as well who know what there doing..

[@10actual]

Worked well in WWII with the SAS in Africa. Beats hiding in a trench waiting to be hit.

[@stevenwilson5556]

Defense never wins wars. Offense wins wars. Only Ukraine is on offense.

[@jantschierschky3461]

Surprise operations, small units attack from an unexpected direction at very early mornings, against the rear. Verses daytime, from a known direction and clearly visible, against entrenched troops.

[@jantschierschky3461]

@@stevenwilson5556 defence wins too, if you have well trained troops under good leadership, with full battlefield awareness. There have been many good examples of it. Offensive war is good if you can surprise, unhinge, shock your enemies.

[@robert6106]

Only until you run into a strong position that's waiting for you and they know they have you. The video above is going to run into sustained large caliber machine gun fire at some point and we will never see the next episode.

[@trevermcdonald2402]

The SAS was formed for exactly this purpose, small, fast, well armed units driving deep behind enemy lines sewing confusion among their troops and logistics.

[@marktaylor6491]

That's what they were doing in France in '44. Going up and down the country, deep behind enemy lines in Jeeps, looking for it wherever it came.

[@yesman6687]

and before them the comandos

[@aztronomy7457]

When you have a bunch of handheld rocket launches that can easily rip apart any heavily armored tank, might as well just use an armored Humvee that can go 70mph and bet on the speed to save you.

[@fbi805]

Actual top speed of a HUMVEE is 50mph. So unless the Ukrainians added a 1500 horsepower motor and superchargers to it those hummers would never reach 70mph

[@truthiswhat1]

@@fbi805 not a chance.. I regularly cruised at 60-70 mph in both 1980's soft tops and modern up-armored.

[@fbi805]

@@truthiswhat1 you know how I know what you are saying is a lie. Because the HUMVEE didn't enter service until 1984 and 70% of the initial 55k went to transportation and mobile medical units and the remaining 30% went command and control units. full active service for the HUMVEE for all military branches didn't happen until after the Gulf War in 1991. The only way you would have ever gotten the HUMMER over 50mph was to remove the governor which on a HUMMER would have destroyed the engine or driving full speed downhill on a 25% - 45% road

[@truthiswhat1]

@@fbi805 lol.. guy.. my first KNIGT "Fister truck" was a 4 seater soft top made in 1986.. It was older than me which was awesome. my last truck was a sweet up-armored from mid 2000's. We would regularly roll at 60mph with traffic in convoys to and from armories/forts and pushed them faster for kicks. I'm guessing you read some Wiki article or something.. any soldier will tell you they are now way topping out at 50..

[@aztronomy7457]

@@fbi805 I’m just looking up what I saw on google bro. I’m not an expert

[@d.l.hemmingway3758]

The British did similar tactics in the North African Desert. The SAS, Popski's Private Army, The Long Range Desert Patrol Group all used similar tactics against the Germans and Italians. They used jeeps, Land Rovers and Chevrolet Trucks as their vehicles and armed them with Lewis Guns, Vickers, Brens, M-2HBs, and M-1919s. Where do you think the 1960s series Rat Patrol got their ideas?

[@SergeantAradir]

Its a completly different role and tactics, but alright. I mean clearly long-range recon and ambushing is identical with a massed, motorized attack

[@tams805]

@@SergeantAradir Still quite similar. The Ukrainians won't have been rushing head on in those light vehicles. Why when you can just outflank your enemy?

[@jonb3311]

The SAS etc fought at night in the desert and only made mass attacks on airfields. They seldom made daylight raids, as they had to avoid the Luftwaffe who would bomb and strafe them nonstop. That is how Jock Lewis was killed. BTW the Land Rover was post WW2 vehicle.

[@WellBattle6]

@@jonb3311 Which goes to show just how nonexistent Russian CAS is within contested airspace.

[@larryzigler6812]

NOT THE SAME

[@guygabriel6251]

I have allways been of the opinion not to underestimate ”technicals”. There are 3 parameters. Speed, protection and firepower. You can seldom have all 3. Fast in and lot of firepower is a way to go. (Don’t stand still and be a target)

[@klowen7778]

Yep, and already the strategists are calling this the “Ukrainian Blitzkrieg,”

[@NuclearFridge1]

Comes down to 3 parameters. Pick 2.

[@majungasaurusaaaa]

Speed itself is a form of protection when you're not tasked with holding ground.

[@Tragicide]

Meine Erika intensifies

[@richardjoseph9002]

@@Tragicide Wonderful. I am very happy for you.

[@chrisbrent7487]

Kind of reminds me of Jeeps in the desert with twin Vickers K guns in the front and back speeding though a Luftwaffe airfield shooting up everything they pass.

[@desertmandan123]

My thoughts exactly...."where's Paddy Mayne when you need him..in the thick of it leading the way" as quoted by one of his men in a TV interview in the 70's.

[@Lookup2Wakeup]

That rings a bell.......SAS WW2

[@davewarrender2056]

That was Stirling and the beginnings of the SAS

[@eminencerain848]

These are basically Thunder Run tactics using fast unarmored tactical vehicles.

[@GrimYak]

Yup. Not only humvees but they are also using quads with mounted ATGM and machine guns

[@artistjoh]

President Zelensky said that Australian Bushmasters had "performed masterfully" in the battlefield. They can carry troops cross country at 80+kph and discharge troops in lightning strikes, and Zelensky asked the Australian government for another 30 of them. They already have 60 of them. These more mobile platforms appear to work well on the modern battlefield.

[@Ippo00]

Go the bushmaster!

[@Kakkoii_ne]

@@Ippo00 The Hawkei looks nice, too. I would love to have one of them and use it as a platform for Forward Observers and JTACs.

[@labibbidabibbadum]

Note to anyone wanting to attack Australia. Every citizen has at least one Bushmaster.

[@stevebrickshitta870]

@@labibbidabibbadum it's my daily drive.

[@zyeborm]

​@@labibbidabibbadum I've got one, missus has one and we have one each for the poodles.

[@ChrisStacey]

Mini thunder runs. Only way to effectively find out enemy battlefield strengths when you can't decisively know who's where, what equipment and how many.

[@todorkolev7565]

incorrect. You DON'T rush in if you you don't know what's there! The Ukrainians are receiving every bit of satellite imagery and analysis that the West can provide. They run into territories BECAUSE they know these are blind spots and allow them to easily flank the enemy and cause panic. The Ukrainians not only know exactly where what is but they even know of Russian plans in advance! (Ex IDF paratrooper, officer)

[@badstar9670]

Exactly, also an American strategy

[@jackhaugh]

Drones?

[@stevenwilson5556]

What you aren't seeing is the days, weeks, and even months of Ukraine pounding Russian command and control as well as supplies, ammo dumps, supply trucks, and logistics. The Russians they are facing are already weakened, often leaders have fled, and many are low on ammo and supplies.

[@RobBCactive]

Wouldn't the LRDG in Libya or SAS France '44 have had similar mad max moments if they'd had helmet cams? It seems from descriptions of some engagements in open terrain speed and shooting REMF stuff up and HQ was an effective tactic causing disproportionate effects to their numbers.

[@Minihopa]

Ukrainians have proven themselves very resilient and adapt very quickly... definitely very brave people. The USA and UK military must be commended in the assistance they've given Ukrainians.

[@gage851]

Canadian soldiers are also helping train Ukrainian soldiers in the UK ... but yeah unlike the Afghan soldiers the Ukrainian soldiers are willing to learn to fight and die for their freedom, they're using western military fighting doctrine and its showing how affective it is against Russian doctrine

[@JustinShaedo]

understatement of the week :D

[@bestieswithtesties]

@@gage851 Unlike the Afghans the Ukraine have a leadership who supports them. The Afghanistan military was backstabbed by their own leaders. As soon as the US left the Afghan influential gave everything to the Taliban INTENTIONALLY. What good is an army when your own leaders disagree with you. Ukraine has leaders who agree with them.

[@fratercontenduntocculta8161]

Ukraine has learned combat methods from some of the best fighters in the world and it shows. Their tactical refinements will definitely change how conventional wars are fought! Sheer audacity is one of the few methods that can ensure victory and perfectly illustrates the phrase "the greater the risk, the greater the reward."

[@vorrnth8734]

that is what they told soldiers right before ww1.

[@leechgully]

@@vorrnth8734 yes, didnt the French base a whole fighting doctrine around the idea and it failed completely.

[@murky-snickett2961]

​@@vorrnth8734 The SAS used these tactics in small 4x4s all throughout North Africa and Europe with great success against the Germans and Italians.

[@Gnostic88]

Russia's own audacity has lead it to this quagmire in contrast.

[@vorrnth8734]

@@leechgully exactly. This tactic can work If you are able to underrun enemy fire. Like hoplites running forward to underrun arrows. But the french (and others) were of course not able to be faster than the machine guns.

[@SergeantAradir]

Ukrainians: "Give us IFV and tanks!" British Army: "Lets discuss whether we need IFVs, when the Ukrainians are so good without them" Ukrainians: "We really need those IFVS!!!" British Army: "Such morale! Such training!"

[@Tragicide]

🤣🤣🤣

[@IndianaSmallmouth]

Western armies would not stand the casualties.

[@JustinShaedo]

... almost sounds like you think the UK aren't doing Ukraine an incredibly massive favour with arms and training? Could be reading that wrong, apologies if so.

[@foedspaghetti3290]

Guess where I first heard that? From a former member of the Panzer SS on his reflection of the Willys Jeep with a bazooka sometime in the early 80s.

[@johnnytyler5685]

That Humvee thunder run video is the perfect definition of "LEEEROOOOY JENKINS!!!" I actually laughed out loud the first time I saw it...those Humvees bouncing 10 feet off the ground as they hit artillery shell craters at 45 MPH. I was shocked that an armored Humvee could even sustain just ONE hard hit like that! Those armored Humvees weigh like three times their initial designed weight with all that added armor on them and as much as I adore the Humvee/Hummer platform, I expected the wheels to snap off every time those Ukrainians hit a crater at flank speed. But they not only made it to the other end of the field and delivered all of their troops, they were also able to drive BACK to where they came from based on the video. I was suitably impressed all around...both with the Humvees' ruggedness and the gigantic swinging nuts on those Ukrainians. They were basically playing dodgeball in a field with armored Humvees, except instead of getting hit with a ball, they'd be getting hit and vaporized or Swiss cheesed by a 152mm artillery shell. The Ukrainians seem to have a lot of faith in those old Humvees from the videos I've seen of them being used in the conflict.

[@andrewhorsfall317]

Beautiful seeing them in action like this. Sure beats driving 15 mph in Iraq waiting for the next IED.

[@PrograError]

well... Humvee is in it's natural habitat anyways... MRAP was designed for war on terror before re-designated and designed for near-peer war as a new platform on MATV/ LATV

[@disposabull]

Many decades ago the US military did an important series of exercises. They pitted a team of tanks against different opponents, tanks VS tanks, tanks VS mixed groups etc and tanks VS buggies with ATGM's. Not only did the buggies destroy vastly more tanks but they also took vastly fewer casualties and as an added bonus had a vastly lower logistics burden. Small, fast moving infantry with the ability to destroy a target and then vanish are devastatingly effective against a "Big Army" enemy.

[@GrimYak]

I think what you see here is the outcome of that study. Ukrainian forces are nato trained since 2014. These are essentially nato tactics and i see that by the way UA forces operate. They have quads and buggies with mounted ATGMs and machine guns. Cool to watch if you ask me

[@Kiev-en-3-jours]

True. They also tried tanks VS camels and tanks VS skateboards.

[@mkvv5687]

@@Kiev-en-3-jours True. Also tanks vs Segways and tanks vs scooters.

[@JustinShaedo]

True. Also tried tanks vs small ducks and tanks vs 'a vague sense of unease'

[@disposabull]

@@JustinShaedo True. Of course the ultimate anti tank tactic is killer rabbits armed with holy hand grenades. Unfortunately the Knights who say Ni! have declared themselves neutral during this conflict and are busy tending their shrubberies instead.

[@john_in_phoenix]

If you try this against a well trained and motivated opponent, you will get wiped out. It does show that Ukraine has managed to move decision making down to much lower levels than Russia allows. This is a risky tactic, but also high reward when it comes down to it. Poorly motivated and trained troops panic when they get word of the enemy behind them. Well trained and motivated troops say "nuts".

[@bark1actual785]

So…. We didn’t pull this off in 2003 against the Iraqi army and RG when we blitzed our way into Baghdad?

[@matthewneddeau7993]

This guy thinks he’s Eisenhower 😂 nothing funnier then an armchair general in the KZbin comment section

[@CptFugu]

@@matthewneddeau7993 He is absolutely right, though.

[@Jimmythefish577]

@@bark1actual785 the Iraqis were not well trained or motivated. Poor example, the US hasn’t fought a well trained modern army since Korea….

[@majungasaurusaaaa]

@@Jimmythefish577 Then what constitutes as "well trained"? Certainly not the modern euros whose def budgets are gutted.

[@TB-zf7we]

This Mad Max version of a Thunder Run would only work on the undermotivated, undertrained & underequipped Ruzzian's. Reminds me of WW2 Rat Patrol or Chad Toyota Wars. Of course the armored HMWV is more capable than previous used vehicles.

[@Hornet_Legion]

They are using a lot dune buggies and e bikes well. Imagine a headquarters safely behind enemy lines , than a Ukrainian officer entering their tent with pistol in hand. Demands surrender bluffing he has a battalion at his command. They surrender and than find out he only had a couple of dune buggies and some e bikes.

[@leonfa259]

A lot in war depends on just being in the right place with the right kit, even an unarmoured Toyota or atv helps exploiting breakthroughs, avoiding artillery shelling and bringing troops to where they need to be. A few guys with a at rockets and long range fire support can take out a train behind enemy lines and therefore cut off supply.

[@Tragicide]

Thank God somebody remembers The Great Toyota War. Wish somebody could make a movie outta that.

[@PrograError]

@@Tragicide i bet hollywood is already planning on the retreat in afghan... there could be a scene like that there... it's literally just canonball run but taliban.

[@briankoepke9891]

Chad came to my mind too.

[@davidelliott5843]

The British SAS used long wheelbase Landrovers during gulf wars to make fast runs into enemy territory. The idea began in North Africa during WW2 using Willys Jeeps.

[@Blackcloud_Garage]

It’s modern cavalry. Move fast, recon the battlefield, exploit weak points, get in the enemy’s rear area. The most important thing is to retain the freedom to maneuver and do not get decisively engaged.

[@bremnersghost948]

David Stirling would highly approve ;-)

[@modelrailwaynoob]

Finally someone else here that knows history

[@c.a.saunders2819]

Very effective battlefield strategy employed by the much smarter Ukrainian Armed Forces. Putin, and his military leadership are just getting outsmarted at every level by the Ukrainians. It's so impressive, and so great to see. Thanks for the report. 🇺🇲🇺🇦 Glory to God, Victory for Ukraine, Rise Free Nations!

[@Ruhrpottpatriot]

I find it funny, that apparently now -- after 20 years of fighting terrorists -- we "rediscover" lessons we already learned in the cold war. The German army had the so called "Kraka", basically a slightly bigger Quad ATV. It was used to ferry small squads, 20mm autocannons, TOW, 120mm mortars, etc. and had a top speed of 80km/h. Most of it's role has been taken over by the MB Wolf and Wiesel. The US had the M274, the Belgians had the FN AS 24 and the UK had the "Folding Military Bicycle".

[@majungasaurusaaaa]

People nowadays are casualty averse pussies. Send anyone in a thin skinned vehicle and you're gonna have a home front scandal.

[@PrograError]

|| and the UK had the "Folding Military Bicycle". As a citizen from one of the former colony, spit out laughed at that... so they did learned something from the japanese, but proceed to reinvent the wheel.

[@mkvv5687]

I always thought that the Bren was a pretty good idea.

[@mkvv5687]

Also, 20 years is about a generation. I'm not surprised that we lost that institutional knowledge. Various military talking heads have been discussing that this year.

[@1chish]

this is why the Ukrainians love all the Warriors we have sent. Its exactly the sort of armoured vehicles we should be developing. Ajax doesn't cut it.

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

Boxer IFVs are going to be the future due to interobability of modules.

[@timmurphy5541]

We should learn lessons from the situation: i.e. that one's assumptions can be very wrong and we can find ourselves in situations we didn't expect. Iraq was not expected (not far in advance), nor the IED problem there and in Afghanistan, nor the need for artillery in Ukraine etc etc. Hence it might be best to have some flexibility in one's mindset and to have flexible equipment in enough quantity that one can lose some of it. Another way is to train in lots of different scenarios and make the changes that are needed to ensure each scenario isn't a total disaster - but not to optimise purely for one scenario.

[@activista9462]

Lesson number two: our foreign intelligence repeatedly sucks, endangering the lives of every service member for the last twenty years. From Saddam’s non-existent weapons, to Putin’s non-existent military strength, the CIA continues to demonstrate why ineffective oversight is a threat to national security for the United States and its allies. We can do better, and God knows our service members and their families deserve better.

[@kevinbooe4123]

I’m almost positive countries are using this war as an experiment for future weapons

[@RaySpainPlayer]

Well said, mate

[@ThePaulobraveheart]

Lukashenko is in need of a lesson.🇵🇹

[@PD55_]

Putin's pet, Lukashenko, must go. But the bureaucrats turn into oligarchs, that's the Soviet way.

[@ashedarke]

They had been remotely dismantling the forces beforehand and with drone surveillance they probably knew what they were getting into. Changes in ground conditions probably played a big factor, and these smaller vehicles will use much less fuel. Drones, missiles and artillery to remove any armour, then sweep in with speed to clear up.

[@tatradak]

Yes a bit Mad Max but the tatic is of interest and needs to be tried other ways.. The main issue is the vehicles mobility is lacking.. This is where Ripsaw madmax tracked vehicle needs looking at in another light.. The UKMOD is seriously stuck in the mud in some areas and they need a specialist team to properly evaluate this sort of tatic.

[@user-jn1tr8mo3g]

He slipped up a bit when he said "us" instead of "the Ukrainians", but I think he got away with it.

[@eansmith4925]

They are Damn good for a bunch of guys that were doing regular 9 to 5’s 6 months ago. Slava Ukraine

[@thedownwardmachine]

This was a surprisingly insightful analysis. I’ll keep it in mind next time I consider a tactic like this

[@pacificcoltrane7652]

The Ukrainian forces are demonstrating well-executed tactical shock-runs. I am thoroughly impressed with how effective Ukrainian forces have managed to become in this conflict. What they need now are extensive supplies and long-range weapons from their allies.

[@zyeborm]

I think they are being seriously hampered by not being allowed to attack targets in Russia at all. Allowing Russian troops to rearm and resupply by crossing one line on a map is bad. if they were allowed to hit Russian bases supply depots, refineries, rail etc over the border it'd help their war effort and potentially put pressure on the Russian leadership from their civilian population.

[@aumarigan]

It is all Mad Max... Love the description.

[@volgantifriebus9549]

Hopefully it worked the Russians won't be caught off guard again

[@terrynewsome6698]

@@volgantifriebus9549 hopefully the Russians will be coughed of guard again.

[@paintballusa1658]

Brilliant 👍 God bless Ukraine with peace 🙏🏻🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

[@heywoodjablome2018]

Violence of action in glorious HD

[@quicktoevil]

Sure, its a light tank from WWII but I've always thought the Stuart was a gem, fast, mobile and packed a punch

[@deltatwoniner96]

I think A young Lt. George Patton was the first to use cars to assault an enemy position. It was during the punitive raids against Poncha Villa. He used three cars assaulted the hideout killed three of the enemy then withdrew after 50 or so enemy reinforcements arrived and attacked them by horse. They weren't armored or have machine guns. But about 20 guys in 3 dodge cars, with colt peacemakers, 1911, and Springfield rifles was pretty impressive. Of course Patton went on to be a legend in tank warfare.

[@Uncle_Smallett]

So... he just copied typical mob hit-n-run attack known by films? Or i wrong?

[@amyrichard3203]

Patton was responsible for the fast Sherman tank , that was inferior to German tanks. But they were fast and lots of them. Unfortunately they burned like Ronson lighters, which became their nickname..

[@Keyswiz71]

Go in fast with high levels of directed aggression and then melt away. Pretty much a 21st century version of the LRDG/SAS tactics that were so successful during WW2.

[@conradcodfish8638]

Probably has shares in the the Jackle builds

[@h___p___2036]

Every soldier fights for it's own country

[@johncoyne9560]

Its the best sort of tactics that you can think off. Start off reasonably fast but furious with firepower and a few grenades you will demoralize the enemy very quickly. Read books about the special services in and around the Gulf areas of the 70s and 80s. After a few days of loosing sleep and missing meal times, the enemy will only be about twenty percent effective, most probably less than that. Slava Ukraine

[@PiratedDev]

small fast forces have been in use since ww2 to huge succes.

[@florian6259]

I recommand to everyone interested in the subject of fast/light vehicules to check all of the french wheeled vehicules. It's one of the few major armies that kept till today those around and it works very effectively

[@brettyates7054]

I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking that this is an incredibly old school of military doctrine, talking like it’s some revelation suggests we’ve forgotten an awful lot about war fighting… couple that with the serious strategic errors made by the Russians, basic errors, it suggests that during times of peace our philosophy on war fighting has moved in seriously impractical directions.

[@johnallen7807]

Tactics as used 80 years ago by the LRDG/SAS in North Africa.

[@jamesslough6465]

British fast long range desert patrols in North Africa in WWII doctrine. Same tactics and just as effective. Hard to stop

[@adaslesniak]

On the Kherson front there are best well trained and well equipped russian units. And after 7 months of war leaders (on tactical level) did learn a lot. Very different from Kharkiv front. In open tank is as fragile as light car, so better be fast, than armored. If Ukraine had Abrams or Leopards they could try other tactics.

[@modelrailwaynoob]

lol The british invented it in WWII

[@deltatwoniner96]

Patton in mexico with 3 dodge cars.

[@aA-ye1cf]

My unit developed a range of mutual support fast fighting vehicles which we used very effectivly.

[@cringe_lord5762]

Light cavalry in the middle age: Horse and bow Light cavalry in this day: Any kind light armored car and Machine gun or MANPADS Seems like we turn to where we start before 😂

[@DrGreenthumbPhd]

Horse and bow? Humvee and TOW!

[@deathhoundseeker8278]

We need some real life halo warthogs

[@andreteixeira5635]

These light vehicles can carry nlaws, Javelins and stingers on board. And this gives them serious punching power.

[@markaxworthy2508]

This only works where there is sparse opposition. These light vehicles are as vulnerable as cavalry horses in WWII.

[@johnfarmerfarmer4901]

Blitzkrieg does work.

[@MichaelThomasMarion]

The Ukrainian's "Fast-Attack" tactics slightly remind me of the tactics employed by Britain's SAS in North Africa during WWII.

[@gerrycooper56]

AKA Long Range Desert Group.

[@plasticjock1090]

This is total shock and awe... Its important to make this workable

[@EricTheActor805]

See Chad Libya Border War

[@jimbayler4277]

@ Nicholas Drummond: The Ukrainians in this video are following the exact model of the British SAS in North Africa during WWII. It was effective then and it is effective now. The quality of the enemy force is not the deciding factor. German forces under Rommel were highly trained, skilled, and motivated. Yet the SAS was very effective.

[@monsterman51]

They did this with jeeps in north Africa during WW2!

[@TroggyPK]

Oh my god.... Its almost like this happened before idk about 80 years ago in a little county called france

[@danielthompson6207]

They're just choosing the momentum and not letting the enemy dictate the tempo of the fight. Good on them!

[@orientalcaesar]

0:12 'Run Thunder' tactics.

[@edsilva54]

Love that tree trimmer

[@RobinHartJones]

People are likening this to a cavalry charge but it is also similar to how Germany transformed tanks from solo slow moving infantry support vehicles to squadrons of fast vehicles that overwhelmed the enemy defences through sheer speed and agression then continued moving without backup while the slower following forces mopped up. The Allied forces were still sitting in the Ardennes wondering what had just happened while the panzers were arriving at Paris.

[@mystic37]

lightning runs when done correctly is amazing

[@runmarkrunheinrich]

Post WWII tanks effective armor went much lighter since ammo technology rendered the massively think armor useless. This isn't unprecented.

[@henryposadas295]

Im confused. Didn't the Germans incorporate this with their Blitzkreig tactic in WW2? That is why they used motorcycles with mounted machine guns on the sidecar. The SAS also operated deep within enemy lines blowing up airfields although the SAS acted indipendently.

[@JustinShaedo]

Yes the Germans did this, but strictly speaking it wasn't Blitzkreig (which incorporates more combined arms eg CAS, tanks, mounted infantry etc)

[@gazz3867]

You can do that if you can outrun the enemy's ability to communicate and/or set up a defense. Against even a half-hearted defense by combined arms, these technicals will go up in flames. Since the Russians seem incapable of doing such a thing, paint it red. Make it go fasta. ;)

[@Atite_Lometen]

What they are doing best is assessing the situation and utilization of their equipment and do best how to counter their short comings, they are out number but not out think, or outwit in any type of form.

[@MrAwsomenoob]

YOOOO someone get a hold of crewserved OUR BOY IS ON THE NEWS!!!

[@keithruhl3545]

Drones has to be one of the biggest game changers in modern warfare. Not just the Himars.

[@reallyhappenings5597]

By far the most interesting war of recent decades from a tactical view

[@BenjaminPitkin]

Where do you think Russia went wrong? Me: "Attacking Ukraine".

[@jonathanpope81]

Dangerous Brian

[@xionglin2009]

kinda reminds me how cavalry evolved, after the introduction of musketeers(actually a bit before that), heavy cavalry charging techniques start to be less and less effective, but cavalrys stick around for couple more centuries, as a light and quick franking force, was legendary under napoleon

[@PrograError]

ain't there a few units still named that, just like grenadiers?

[@cathoderay305]

Aren't these basically the same tactics that the British SAS employed against the Germans in Africa during World War 2? I'm pretty sure that the fast, heavily armed light truck attacks used to attack Luftwaffe and Africa Corps bases by Sterling set the precedent for this kind of warfare.

[@MaxSluiman]

I think it was done before. The Hussars in the 18th century, the Germans at the start of ww2 and the British at the start of ww2.

[@marcwinter6619]

Weve been doing it for years with Landys

[@3204clivesinclair]

The U.K. tried this. Then when people started getting killed in light skinned vehicles, families demand better armour! You join the military, use the equipment you get issued with and rely on good training. But remember people die in combat.

[@stevemcgowen]

In this situation the USA would rely on air power, rather than ground forces…

[@alekm.5377]

Old guard Britt discovers the evolution of the Thunder Run. Share and Enjoy!

[@daveduncan798]

I think this is sort of like LRDG of ww2. Creates a bit of unexpected chaos that rattles them.

[@lightningleaf23]

Takes massive balls as some vehicles will be hit and destroyed but it’s so aggressive and fast it’s like a cavalry charge. Against poorly trained soldiers as the fella says it can lead to mass panic and lead to them being destroyed

[@crisfirestar4857]

I can only think of the RipSaw tank going very fast on the field with its excellent off road capabilities

[@kevinpittman2517]

ive been screaming about using fast light buggies and stuff like that for the past 4 months... finally it seems to be realised how effective they are and can be

[@Uncle_Smallett]

Adequate armed vehicle with modern fire control, thermal and optics wipe those buggies out kinda in a minute. And proper defense place tanks and IFV or APC teams in a net, covering most directions. Even small buggy cant prone or crawl, or hide while support put fire at right place. Defense must be supressed to advance usualy. In this case there just wasnt nothing to call proper defense. Aaand there was lack of trained troops with morale.

[@jarrettbobbett5230]

great story!

[@dave10392]

Guys, we showed the world how to do this in the 1980's. The SADF ran circles around the Cubans and their Russian advisors in Angola. The South African units in our ratels and casspirs ran circles around them. Those tactics are still studied at westpoint.

[@kantemirovskaya1lightninga30]

you don't know the source of the video??? the guy who took these HAS A CHANNEL on you tube and discusses them. There WAS ARTILLERY bracketing the fields as they withdrew

[@ausforce1]

A modern day cavalry charge 🔥👍

[@simonbird1973]

The British have had fast light attack vehicles for decades.

[@dannydoj]

Looks like early Long Range Desert Group and SAS tactics. Perhaps British training? Although I don’t discount them coming up with the tactics themselves.

[@SystemScientist]

So cool. Thunder run!

[@citizenphaid1880]

Straight out of the LRDG playbook I’d say.

[@ColinWatters]

In other conflicts fast light vehicles like this have been very vulnerable to mines and IED.

[@t23001]

Ukraine has done an excellent job of combining the use of homegrown and foreign equipment. The key drivers of their success appears to be courage/motivation, organization, citizen support, and the use of drone intelligence to improve the effectiveness of soldiers and equipment.

[@Tigerfan50]

Charge!!!

[@dolfkampman5335]

This was a Koevoet tactic in the South Africa bush war using Casspir vehicles nd was very effective

[@tomascalder6825]

A bit like the landrover we used to have.

[@nigelmcmaster7124]

This is exactly what the South African armoured vehicles are designed to perform, the rooikat tank can do in excess of 100kph across super rough terrain, supported by the CASSPIR and Buffel troop carriers