Council members share heated exchange

[@davidmarlow1719]

100,000+ rounds in the inventory and the officers can't even meet the minimum qualification requirements.... That's a failure of police administration and the chief is trying to blame unions.

[@Facetimer864]

No that is the power of a union I was a union representative for 20 yrs of my 25 yrs on the job. Nothing gets negotiated without the union

[@davidmarlow1719]

@@Facetimer864 The department can establish a qualification and training standard. I'm in a union and it has zero authority to override the client agency's Statement of Work.

[@buckowens1508]

Why would accountability and inventory control be an issue for any public servant?

[@relaxdestress9862]

I will FOR SURE steer clear of this county!

[@Alexandria87]

This isn't the whole representation of USA 😒😒😒😒

[@barkere51]

Sounds like some cops are pocketing a bunch of ammo.

[@henryofskalitz2228]

Or for training you know. Ammo also goes bad after a while. Then there's the covid supply and demand on ammo thus the price increases

[@mikechrz288]

Thank you sir for working for the people

[@terrystephens1102]

It is so important to have appropriately qualified people on Council - a good spread of professional skills is essential to ensure good decisions.

[@Patsy_Parisi]

25:40 The member who said it’s a waste of time to get info. has an incredibly elaborate mustache.

[@misterwallace3479]

I don't trust dudes that have those handlebar mustaches.

[@Patsy_Parisi]

Former 1970s porn star vibe.

[@jodydarby]

I understand the ‘why’, but I will never understand the approach. Does the council not WANT to be on the same team with the Chief? Should the Chief, at this point, trust the Council? Trust is gone.

[@1974greymalkin]

The republic has been lost! Ready my ship, we make haste to Yavin.

[@michaelbenczarski360]

Chief likes to spend

[@meme9492]

His ammo price listing is pre-COVID.

[@marcweeks9178]

Do the bullet points in the presentation count too?

[@petersimpson9852]

What is the budget for boards toilet paper per year just asking. Essentially”s runs out to the same costs

[@marywilson5192]

This is a classic... Let's have a meeting..then we'll have a meeting about the meeting we just had and we'll schedule anther meeting to talk about that meeting. They need a new City Manager and new Board members.. Except for Don... He can stay.

[@JS-pe7uc]

I wonder if that ammunition budget would be better spent on descalation, investigative and legal training. Ammunition should not be treated as a common consumable because of the rarity of justified lethal force. Law enforcement's primary function is to support and uphold the US Constitution. Not shooting civilians. Or playing with guns. Practice on your own dime. Youre already being paid with the expectation of posessing adequate firearm skill. Its on you to maintain that skill not the taxpayers.

[@reneesantiago6496]

This is a great example of how cities and govt always have the LEAST ability to make common sense decisions.

[@stretcherbearer1350]

Why do right to work states disparage all unions as corrupt and bad for big business but always kiss up to police unions?

[@harrycallahan8573]

Where were they buying .223 rounds at 30 cents a round even in 2019?

[@dongodwin2144]

Police departments, as they should, get a discount

[@mandc20022]

@@dongodwin2144 why should they get a discount?

[@dongodwin2144]

@@mandc20022 will not even respond to such an anti police comment

[@mandc20022]

@@dongodwin2144 how is that anti police? I'm just asking why should the people with all the authority get a discount?

[@Patsy_Parisi]

@@mandc20022 They buy in bulk and the cost come from the taxpayers. They also are exempt from any sales tax.

[@pc9369]

This sounds like a magical place full of awe and wonder

[@twizaa]

did they really go through all of this just to vote NOT to bother further investigating cause "we all too busy"??

[@ReaganRepublican]

Change of working conditions has to be a material change. Example, change ammo brand from Winchester to Remington would not require contract negotiations or impact bargaining.

[@Dee-c1e]

How many shootings does tbis small town have too have regular shooting practice. Military poluce state.

[@jaspernewcomb5656]

Barney only got one bullet. Just think of the savings!

[@othername1000]

a) For only 25k they can hire an outside consultant. It's the government. b) I have no idea why this played after the last video c) This isn't heated- See Rob Ford

[@hi_is_this_clorox_bleach]

rob ford is the man

[@rootingforyou6399]

A motion needs to be stated prior to the vote.

[@jaybeenblossom6283]

We need a complete over haul nation wide start holding every one accountable!

[@Patsy_Parisi]

Perhaps the town can next better ration out the use of hand sanitizer and toilet paper? It’s wasteful for people to use multi-ply paper and use two sheets when one would more than likely suffice. Would make sense hire a new full-time employee to dole out sheets after completion of forms done 10 business days in advance and completed in triplicate after approval from town counsel.

[@BigBadWoofF]

Sounds like your one of the costumes mad you might have to pay for your own range day. Want to play g.i. Joe join the army

[@johnjenkins5854]

Do they all have cottage cheese in their mouths. ? Hey. How about getting together with those other cities and buying in bulk? Drive down price per round.

[@Dad44315]

Don may or may not be right or correct on everything but I think between him and the manager who have both deathly put in the work are best suited to solve the problem. Other council members that complained about Don researching studying trying to better understand the issue was wasted time and energy and was frivolous are the ones who are actually being frivolous. Don spent 40 hours trying to save the city thousands of dollars what he was elected to do is What I Call getting the most bang for your buck. One seemed a little jealous which makes me wonder how much time and effort has he spent on this issue or any issue. He is trying to fault a man I guess for working too hard and trying to do his job right. Overall that was a pretty good meeting I'm not a citizen of your town but it seems to be in good hands, but of course politics and politicians are always one step away from disaster, lies and Corruption.

[@rootingforyou6399]

Two months! Three months is not needed! What new data is needed?

[@richk1306]

Sarto still looking for that 2nd...

[@charlesmoore6140]

So he thinks the union should run the police department..that's one of problem with police now . You got a union that know matter what backs the police. Never the people they say the are he to serve

[@rootingforyou6399]

Union negotiations should not be negative in reducing monies for ammunition when they have a trillion in stock.

[@liamoshea9383]

This is disgusting...give a cop as many rounds as necessary to pass a crucial shooting test, and you expect the public to rely on that officer, there are reasons people wash out, not everyone is meant to or capable to properly hold the position.

[@Cathy-cs4hh]

100,000 rounds in inventory, and the chief is in a sweat! Machine pistols! Wow! I don’t trust this guy. As many attempts as they need to pass the shooting test? Are they hiring dishwashers? This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

[@chrismiller6095]

This is how our government uses our tax money to waste on their toys machine pistol so they can have fun at the range

[@sittingindetroit9204]

Why don't they get all the PDs and Sheriff Department together and buy in bulk?

[@sittingindetroit9204]

@@bilbobaggins1934 it is not against any law.

[@bidensatraitor6211]

The unions. Enough said.

[@randychase305]

What kind of police department doesn't keep track of how much they're spending on ammunition? The amount of time it takes to "research" should be 10 minutes.

[@richardbuttigieg5406]

Officer; why didn’t you shoot the intruder before he shot and killed the family? “I ran out of bullets”.

[@JS-pe7uc]

Lol instead of mag dumping, try some marksmanship.

[@joshg2350]

This ain’t no Carpentersville

[@robnutile4338]

The guy with the stupid mustache definitely implied it

[@markwhite6782]

I think the people on this post should do some research on the 2021 Biden budget for all non military federal agencies. In 2021 our government spent more money on small arms for agencies than our military. IIR it was 1.3 billion out of a total of 12 billion manufactured rounds this year which, to our best estimate, came to 24,000 rounds per government employee per year. The military gets no ammuntion to speak of from this total as theirs comes from the Lake City arsenal. I understand that covers the FBI, DEA, DOJ, ATF and several other agencies but I'm sorry, this was way overboard.

[@Robert-tt7oo]

Lord knows cops love there "toys"..But great point can be bought local much cheaper. Great video.

[@sittingindetroit9204]

Does the union get to sign both sides of the contract....oh wait, someone else is signing this union agreement allowing them to make the rules that the town has to live by. It is a very common practice for the unions to willingly be the bad guys....

[@danaproske1072]

Sounds like the city council didn't vote for this Mayor. Hope he changed his city

[@jadavison]

How about they sell the 100k round they have for 10x the value in this market and shut up.

[@BigBadWoofF]

Police across the country too busy wamting to play g.i. joe. Whoever presented the 1000 rounds cap was very reasonable. If they want to blow rounds at the range spend their own dime. This is a great glimpe at how entitled police are in this country

[@johndelucia8856]

Great Stats, keep the criminals in prison

[@yearight5303]

Let the union strike then hire 28 new officers. Dont let some union force you to overspend.

[@uncledud]

You’re the kind of person that costs millions in grievances a year. Don’t let not knowing what you’re talking about stop you from having an opinion, though.

[@eliwhaley4804]

@@uncledud eww

[@TheBaconlaser]

@@uncledud The Union can suck balls. They don't get to set City Policy. Issue each lard ass officer 30 bullets and 30 doughnuts a month.

[@darrellwood3913]

This guy put more time rolling his stupid mustache then it did making that graph.

[@rootingforyou6399]

Are they using the oldest ammunition first? Almost $1,000 per officer in 9 months for Guthrie. Wow! Ammunition! This chart says it all. No new ammunition purchase for this year. To be on the agenda for next year. No tracking is taking place. That is a lot of ammunition that could be used for personal use. That is not right! Now that this report has been done, it will be easy to keep it up every year. A trillion businesses HAVE to do this every year. Good job, Mr Sir in the red shirt!!! Shame on those men who are knocking having the report done. One man going to the city manager is NOT TRANSPARENCY. YOU NEED THE REPORT FOR TRANSPARENCY. Yes, budget for your needs. This year, we would vote that NO ammunition is purchased. Use the money on children, homeless, almost homeless, the elderly, education and training of children toward becoming productive adults. Praises for the Mr Sir in the red shirt!! Since you have an over abundance of ammunition, why would the union have a problem? Why would officers have a problem? You are in charge of the budget and clearly the budget is not needed for ammunition at this time. Put $5,000 in their budget for ammunition and supplies and add this item to the agenda again next year before the budget is due.

[@jefflaporte2598]

The Unions need to go. They do not have the peoples interest at heart.

[@dongodwin2144]

Sounds like a guy that got refused a Union job

[@scottcurtis4849]

Let a union tell you how to spend your citys money yeah thats a good idea

[@Patsy_Parisi]

That’s how it works here in Massachusetts

[@scottcurtis4849]

@@Patsy_Parisi thats sad it really is

[@brettrhea9179]

Can you say money funnel boys and girls

[@cskinner6564]

Dude with the funky stash in his nose WE WANT 2 KNOW WHERE EVERY CENT GOES 2 FRAUD DON'T TRY 2 STIR 1 AWAY FROM U STEALING U FRAUDS.

[@Kass-A.I]

This is a good council

[@glenfalish8432]

Answer to Cheif the union doesn't run the city

[@aaronho4242]

Lol they don’t know they shoot hollow points and specialty rounds

[@michaeltristano7320]

Hes in no position to after ehat be did

[@cs201qwerty]

So we aren’t going to comment how awesome this mans mustache is?!? 🥸

[@marshaestep7453]

Let the Council by their ammunition.

[@lindafirth1562]

What strikes me most about this board is the absence of women! Then again, having unaccounted for ammunition is something which should never happen. My advice - avoid Oklahoma ! They are out of touch and control.

[@richardbuttigieg5406]

More white power delays over a few thousand dollars in dispute. Just approve the budget presented and move on. Wasted government procedures viewed on you tube to show the stupidity of collective bargaining. What a waste of time.

[@randychase305]

"white power delays"? STFU, goof.

[@richardbuttigieg5406]

@@randychase305 go f-k yourself White boy.

[@geraldmayo5499]

I was a. Union for a while in a. Problem with American problem in amd. Polboem 😊