Counter Pressure Bottle Fillers vs Other Beer Bottle Fillers

Counter Pressure Bottle Fillers vs Other Beer Bottle Fillers
Bottle fillers compared:
Tapcooler Counter Pressure Bottle Filler
Deluxe Counter Pressure Bottle Filler (the "Deluxe" version just includes a guage)
The Last Straw bottle filler gun (There are a ton of more simplistic versions of this)
Intertap Growler tip for bottle filling
Here are the ones I recommend:
Tapcooler Counter Pressure Bottle Filler
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Counter Pressure Bottle Filler
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Deluxe Counter Pressure Bottle Filler
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[@TheFloaterjoe]

I've been wanting to try something besides the blichmann beer gun. Very helpful! Thanks!

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

If you have someone helping you the non-deluxe bottle filler is my favorite as it doesn't have any issues except for the tubes being in the way. I have a 1 year review coming out tomorrow morning on the Tapcooler as I've owned it and used it heavily since Jan 2020. I'll give you all the pros and cons in that vid to help you with any info you might need towards deciding on a better fit for you.

[@dantyner5595]

I just got a counter pressure filler like the one you have. I am looking to get a quick disconnect for CO2 on the side of the keezer to make it easier. Thanks for posting the video. Always learning something.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

I still need to do the CO2 on the side to make it easier too. I am debating on either replacing my 1 to 4 splitter, adding a different regulator with two split offs instead of one (on the main CO2 regulator) or just splitting of my initial into 4 more and only using 1...to many things going on and so many things that need to get done but only so much time and $$$. Eventually I will get it done too. Did you get the T counter or the the Tapcooler? Both have their pro's and con's as I mentioned.

[@dantyner5595]

@@BitterRealityBrewing I have the T counter flow. I need to do the same in mine. I have a 5 valve manifold and 3 guage secondary. I need to add another manifold. I have 6 taps. For now I can just open the top and grab the co2. Agreed time and money...

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

@@dantyner5595 I think most of us are in that boat.

[@DouglasK]

One suggestion... For the counter pressure filler, have an Erlenmeyer flask with starsan nearby. Makes a great place to set the filler while you cap.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

That is a great suggestion.

[@1964mjc]

Use a red kegland plastic liquid post on a pet bottle - purge with gas then attach liquid jumper cable and crack lid slowly

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Sorry for the late response. I've actually seen this done and have considered it myself. Plus, I've seen a few bottle fillers made by different companies add rubber stoppers to help convert their systems to counter pressure bottle fillers.

[@chrisquinter8987]

Thank you! You've confirmed my suspicions that The Last Straw is terrible and flawed. I've tried 2 or 3 batches now and couldn't get it to work and scoured the internet for help. I'll be trying one of your other recommendations!

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

There used to be a guy (no longer available) that used to sell a silicon adapter to help convert it to a counter pressure bottle filler. I actually gave my "Last Straw" away as I didn't have any intentions of doing a Sci-Fi movie where I'd need a laser gun as it does still look like a cool laser gun. Overall it is a well designed product that just missed that one major detail to make it the perfect bottle filler.

[@Patstar777]

Growler fillets are great(I’ve got the intertap filler - both- and intertap taps) if you’re going to drink the beer by the end of the day - growler filler - is perfect! Longer than a day - keep the oxygen off the beer or it becomes stale tasting (cardboard).

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Agree and the growler filler is sadly one of my last to go in my list of tools for filling bottles of any kind as I also lose a bit of the carbonation too with it.

[@TheSirse]

I use the Pegas EcoJet. In my view it's the best reasonably priced option out there.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

I've seen those, but I believe they are under another brand where it is a tap and a bottle filler combined. I think they are fantastic! I haven't purchased a similar system because I am always bottling a few from multiple taps at a time for sharing, and not all from the same keg. I still think they are genius in design.

[@Homebrew58]

I haven't used it yet but I bought the iTap by a company called Boel. It mounts to your keggerator or keezer just like any faucet and you just lock a bottle in place, press a button to purge and pull the tap.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

I've seen that and they appear to have a single and a dual tap. I'd love to try it out as I've seen where I can snag it on eBay but haven't seen anyone selling it here in the U.S. plus I really don't need it or have a place to put it but it still would be cool to try out. Let me know what you think of it once you get a chance to try it out. David Heath did a great job of explaining how it works and partly covered the hook ups too.

[@bmacsd]

Great overview! Brewing both commercially and at homebrew level, I've used DIY fillers, and counter pressure filler brands. No matter the company there always seems to be an issue in being able to accurately control the process to get a really good quality fill. I hope the details on what makes a quality fill can be discussed; Mainly with counterrpressure filling, the importance on stabilizing the beer temp with the counter pressure and keg carb pressure, plus a quick capping for a quality fill. Furthermore when trying to fill bottles that will last longer than a growler fill, there may be some extra steps in tweaking your beer carbonation a bit higher and your keezer temp lower.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

@@bmacsd Thank you for the recommendation as I do understand a fair portion of that but would want to research a bit more before discussing it on video as I try to provide the best info I can as I know we are all, always learning a bit and I actually like that about the hobby and industry as every appears to be from time to time. I actually run my carbonation a little on the high side for personal preference plus my keezer is at 34F most of the time but the big part I will need to research is what is the ideal temp and pressure increase (over the standard style) plus the hardest part is that the first beer or two get filled from a room temp tap and late into the 2nd beer or by the third the tap is about the same temp as the beer. I feel this would apply to any bottle filler unless maybe it was put in the keezer (or like) a few hours before usage to help it match the temps....Thanks for the insight as I just thought about that...and that makes a great idea before starting a fill. I'll try to cover this very soon as I think you are 100% right about the processes as I've heard all kinds of tricks but if your processes are as close to perfect as possible it would limit any limitations/issues with the device being used. Thank You for the insight, I get excited about brainstorming this stuff...even if it makes me a beer geek, I'm good with that.

[@musicguy0300]

Thanks for the video! I built a kegerator in ‘20 and don’t bottle anymore but I find myself wanting to bring beer with me to friends houses/gatherings. I mostly brew by myself (wife will help once in a while) so sounds like the tap cooler is the way to go. I like how it connects right to the nozzle of the tap. Tap cooler offers an extension hose; Do you think that is worthwhile or must have investment? (I.e. like the ball lock quick disconnect) thanks!

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

The ball lock quick disconnect is a must have but the hose extension might not be. Mine only bubbles a little out the relief valve and when it drips, it drips into my SS tray that is designed to catch beer drippings. If you don't have a tray, a basic towel or a few paper towels could easily catch any drippings.

[@stevew410]

you may already know about this one? if not, it may solve your problem with bottling by yourself. I just ordered and received mine yesterday. can't wait to try it. Boel ItapX counter pressure bottle filler.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Sorry for the late reply but I've been watching the Boel iTap system for a while and have some concerns but I did see a cheaper version recently in SS which was really nice looking. I prefer to use my tap system and occasionally fill some bottles and the Boel systems appear to be more of a bottle filler only although some people have told me you can use them like a tap to glass, I've yet to see anyone use them that way.

[@estock15]

Man hating on the last straw! When I was looking to buy a filler, I was between the last straw and the tap cooler, ended up going with the last straw and really like it!

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Trust me when I bought it I was beyond excited but after doing several fills and seeing how much carbonation was lost and trying all the crazy work arounds like chilling the bottles, over carbonating the beer I just got really disappointed and frustrated. Then I purchased the classic deluxe counter pressure bottle filler and was beyond impressed but then my oldest moved out so I didn't have anyone to help me with all the tubing and I'm a bit accident prone anyways so I got the Tapcooler and although I like the deluxe counter pressure filler (gauge really isn't needed) the tapcooler is simply easier to use. I actually just gave away the Last Straw just over a week ago to a young lady who recently started brewing.

[@estock15]

@@BitterRealityBrewing we will see how I like it after a few more bottlings but for now I like the last straw, might get the counter pressure cap but really don’t want to pay $50 for it. My brother and I brew together so one of us is filling and the other caps.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

@@estock15 I really wish I had someone to assist as it would make life a lot easier but I did forget to mention that they have a new "pressure cap" that turns it into a counter pressure bottle filler. Some guy use to make it for REALLY cheap but people complained all the time and he was simply trying to enhance a cool device into a perfect device. (I still think the Last Straw is the nicest looking beer gun and overall the design is really amazing, minus the rubber stopper for the counter pressure).

[@FermentationAdventures]

I’ve gotten great results with the Blichmann beer gun, but it can be a pita to set up for a few bottles. So if I’m bottling a lot of beer, like a 1/2 or whole keg, I’ll use the beer gun. A couple of bottles, the tap cooler. But if I’m packaging some beer to take to a party or somewhere, a simple hose over the faucet to a 32 or 64 oz growler wins.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Question - When you use the Blichmann beer gun, do you slightly over carb the beer to help balance the loss of carbonation when filling the bottles? Or do you do what some recommended by chilling the bottles down before filling them?

[@FermentationAdventures]

@@BitterRealityBrewing honestly, it’s been awhile, but I do over carb a bit, drop the pressure in the keg down to a few psi, and overfill the bottle so all the foam leaves the bottle. Pull the gun out and give a last shot of co2 in the neck. Good results, but messy. I have some stainless trays I use to bottle in and catch the spillage.

[@johnfreeborn979]

@@BitterRealityBrewing Yea, par for the course with most bottling to chill bottles. I take 4 bottles at a time out of the chest fridge/freezer, so they are not that cold by bottling here in our hot summer climate. One has to pay attention to releasing most of the pressure from the keg or fermenter first, with a little bit more pressure from the gas bottle. If you get no bubbles in the tube leading to the gun beforehand your good to go, and fast. If all goes well, not a drop spilt either.

[@neilyeomans5067]

Counter Pressure filler is easy if you make a rig up to mount the filler on that slides up & down.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

True someone else showed me a pretty cool setup that would make it a bit easier and I might do a video on it once our new house is built as I'll have a bit more space.

[@Theno1Joel]

This would be very interesting to see. I have the cheap counterpressure filler. I currently use a vice to grip it so it stays in one place while I push the bottle on to it rather and don't have to hold the filler. I also added John Guest fittings to the beer and gas feeds to make set up easier. Works well but I would ideally like to work out how to mount it properly maybe in a stand, with something like the tapcooler clip to hold the bottle in place. Even better would be to have the mounted filler operated by an arm like your capper so you could insert the bottle then push down the arm to press the filler into the bottle

[@thegallows126]

hi mate thanks very much for such a detailed video i love your reviews.. could you possibly link me those cleaning things you held up on the ring around 8m40 so i can google over in Australia and try find similar. Tyvm.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Thank you. WOW! I am shocked I could find the one you were referring to on Amazon in AU but I did find a very similar system without the gauge which really isn't needed from KegLand - www.kegland.com.au/counter-pressure-bottle-filler-kit.html - This is the one I have here but it is a "Deluxe" which like I said you don't need the gauge - amzn.to/3Hx3eoZ So the KegLand one will work perfectly and not break the bank.

[@andrewadam9544]

Y ou have missed the best one by far off your list ! the boel itap, each of the ones you have shown you need to hold the bottles, or move the stopper up or down or hold the stopper in tighter some how while the pressure pushes its way out, spraying beer everywhere, you can knock bottles over , they are long and clumsy, where do you lay it down to keep it sanitary between bottles ? etc etc, i hang any size of bottle from a 330ml glass to a 3 litre pet bottle off the itap by the quarter turn bottle locking mechanism, and it holds it there itself, i purge, pull the beer style tap, open the valve and i could literally walk away and do something else until the pressure stops it as it fills up, if im doing a cider in a 2 litre or 3 litre bottle i can remove one from the itap and cap it while the next one is filling up by itself, you cant do that with any of these ones in the video, then again its Russian made so maybe thats why it doesnt catch on in the USA. The guys at itap are also willing to improve their designs, i was using some reclaimed glass bottles of diff neck sizes and one type was just a couple thousands too big to go in the metal one for the glass bottles, i took a couple thoughsands off the metal (made no difference to the rest and other kinds) and mentioned it to them, next thing they are asking me to send exact dimensions to the thousanth, photos of the bottle types, exact sizes of the necks etc which i gladly did for them, i dont know if they made the adjustments but i would bet they did as they were very interested to hear this from me and passed it to the design guys within a couple of hours, in a few years beer guns of these kinds will be a museum piece

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Sorry for the late reply but I've been watching the Boel iTap system for a while and have some concerns but I did see a cheaper version recently in SS which was really nice looking. I prefer to use my tap system and occasionally fill some bottles and the Boel systems appear to be more of a bottle filler only although some people have told me you can use them like a tap to glass, I've yet to see anyone use them that way.

[@lluukkaa1]

Hey man:) did you think about building a stand for your counter pressure filler. If the filler would be static you0d only be handling the bottles which would probably be easier and you wouldn't need a helper

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

I'm actually considering that but will be waiting until I get into our new house later next year so I can have a lot more space as this video was filmed in my previous house before we sold it as we are having a new and bigger one built where I'll have a ton of brewing space inside and out.

[@johnfreeborn979]

They all break the seal and let out co2 ffs when you go to put the lid on. Even commercial canning operations use "The Last Straw" method for filling cans before seaming shut with the lid. I found the "The Last Straw" gun the best so far and I have a few bottlers. It's a Blichmann and it's fast and one get perfect carbonation. One just have to know what you're doing. These days I'm doing 21 litres all at once straight form the fermenter into 330ml small bottles. Takes about 20 minutes to 30 minutes. Cheers.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Actually I saw the last straw had released a rubber stopper to help make it a counter pressure bottle filler. The key is that when filling it under pressure before capping it, you are able to retain more CO2 in suspension. This is where I feel a counter pressure filler is much better, especially if it is a highly carbonated brew.🍻

[@Randel1966]

Love your videos! So much great information. So I am getting into brewing and really don’t want to have a lot of buyer’s remorse with equipment. I am thinking of a using after one of these to pull straight out of a fermzilla rounder into bottles and maybe small kegs. I really want to avoid that yeast at the bottom of the bottle. Want to you think?

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Honestly, that should work great for bottling and kegging. It might take a little bit of a learning curve for you, but honestly, I think the bottles will be the easiest as transferring to another keg sometimes you lose a bit more CO2 and need to put it back under pressure with an external CO2 source. Currently, my son has 2 - 1 gallon kegs, but he fills up off of my 5-gallon kegs. He is 27 years old, but I guess you are never too old for free beer.

[@Randel1966]

@@BitterRealityBrewing Hey thanks for getting back to me. I will give it a shot. They have a good deal on complete kit right now. I will let you know how it goes. Thanks again!

[@LloydGM]

Same situation: I started using a FermZilla All-Rounder, reducing pressure, then bottling (via bucket with carbonation sugar added). I have a CPBF but am still collecting the adapters & lines to xfer from the FermZilla directly to bottles. Like BRB said, I expect to have some kinks to work out, but it'll be a fun challenge and w/o any buyer's remorse as I won't be buying anything for temp usage...it's all long-term stuff. I think the trickiest part will be xfer'ing from FermZilla to bottles at room temp since I have no way to cool the FermZilla. (I'll need more CO2 in-solution at a higher PSI because of a 65F fermenter temp.) I'm considering an ice-bath to chill the FermZilla and bottles down so I can CPBF-xfer to bottles at a lower PSI. BTW, brewing a batch in the FermZilla in 3 days is pretty awesome! Next up is brewing lagers at 65F and still having them oh so smooth...

[@arion0341]

Hi, I have a question about filling. When a bottle is filled and you are withdrawing the filler, which will lower the level of beer in the bottle due to the displacement, is this a point that oxygen could be drawn back into the bottle? Should a bit of Co2 be added to cover this? Thanks

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Honestly, I've never had a problem with O2 getting into the bottle enough to do any damage. You are right about the displacement but you also end up getting just a bit of foam from the change in pressure when removing the filler. For the very tiny amount of O2 that might get trapped inside, the O2 absorbing caps may be able to handle without issues. I've bottle probably over a thousand bottles now (I used to bottle instead of keg and now I bottle as needed or to empty a keg for a new keg) and I've never had any O2 issues from the bottling under pressure although I may have had issues from time to time when bottling direct from the fermenter but I can't guarantee that was the issue.

[@CideryFromScratch]

Hi there, we have the last straw bottle filler and have been experiencing some of the issues you described. Do you have a link for the attachment you discussed? Thanks, David and Rachel from CFS!

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Sadly I can't find it for sale but here is some info to go on. The add-on was called the "Foamless Finish" for the Last Straw bottle filler. It is the 2nd video on this web page, so you might be able to reach out to MidWestSupplies about it - www.midwestsupplies.com/products/the-last-straw-bottle-filler?variant=4.10426E+12 Or Northern Brewer as they are the same company - milled.com/northern-brewer/free-foamless-finish-with-a-last-straw-bottle-filler-dVRBCrowPMCRv11B It appears they used to give it away or sell it for as much as $56.99 (a bit high for silicone and plastic).

[@CideryFromScratch]

@@BitterRealityBrewing Thanks for the help, we used some of your tips and it helped a lot.....We left our bottles in the freezer for 30mins prior to bottling and then added a rubber bung to the last straw - helped keep oxygen from getting back into the botttle once purged :)

[@arion0341]

Hi, Thanks for the video. I am interested in the connections you use to connect CO2 to the hoses. It looks like you have some threaded type connectors, maybe even quick disconnects. Can you tell me where to find those? I am still having to heat up hose to put on the barbed fittings and have to cut them off when removing, not efficient at all. Thanks

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Sorry for the delay but this still might take a few replies. Actually on my system I use duotight for all the liquid lines but on the CO2 lines, I use a system like yours. I have to heat the ends up in very hot water and then to remove them, I have to cut the ends off with a razor. I am looking to move to 100% duotight for ease but currently on my CO2 lines they are 5/16" ID Ultra Barrier Gas Tubing, PVC Free with Gas mfl swivel with barb that screw on to my disconnects. (I believe the MFLs are 1/4" swivel flare nut with 3/8" barbs. And of course screw on clamps to tighten the hose down. It is a rock solid way of doing it as you don't have to clean the air lines unless you get liquid in them but it would be nice to have an entire system that can easily be broken down for ease of cleaning and changing of items.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

This is an old video of my keezer before I changed the liquid to duotight and it was shortly after I built it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKipdqx3hLh8mZo

[@MasoThings]

HAHA "It's a cool system if you want to run around and look like you're shooting people with lasers"

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

I watch a lot of Sci Fi and to me it really would make one of the coolest laser guns I've ever seen. Maybe it could shoot yellow foaming lasers... 😂😂😂

[@scottwithrow7791]

What are those plastic wing nuts on your clamps? Those look super useful.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

I think you mean these? amzn.to/3ufDdn9 - I bought this recently and they work great if the wing is o.k. to be sticking out a bit. I only use the small ones or the 2nd size up currently but figured they'd be useful for other things. Very Cheap and the best deal I could find.

[@scottwithrow7791]

@@BitterRealityBrewing Thanks! I will give them a try.

[@tonyayala9172]

for the counter pressure filler, do you need to purge the co2 after you fill the bottle?

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Nope, as you should always being trying to cap on foam. Plus if there is a tiny bit of O2 mixed in the very top with all the other gases and you are using typical O2 absorbing caps, you will be good. I'm not sure how caps absorb O2 with a special liner, but I would guess they are treated with a bit of ascorbic acid with has that ability.

[@loko306]

Loved the video, I just wished you could use a better mic (like a clip lapel mic)

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

I actually bought and am using all Rode equipment. This is recorded with their shotgun mic - Rode VideoMic Go. I'll do the next video I record inside on both the Rode VideoMic Go and the Rode wireless go system and see which one sounds better and kill the other audio track of course. (You can tell it is the shotgun mic when I look away as I am speaking which is a negative but the only reason I haven't used the Rode wireless go in the house is that I feel it picks up way too much background noise compared to the shotgun mic. Let me know what you are hearting or not hearing so I can work on it as I really appreciate the feedback and am always working to improve the videos (as I am still learning all aspects of shooting and producing videos as you may have noticed the overhead shots are something very recent.) Plus after spending over $500 on better audio equipment I'd like it to sounds a nice as possible. I think I'm gun shy on the wireless go mics as they picked up a ton of echo when I had equipment near my head aka the Anvil as it is like a giant echo box.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Jose, Do me a huge favor and listen to part of this video (I used the Rode shutgun mic) and compare it to this video where I used the Rode Wireless Go mic - kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJCpmnSGadicjZI - And let me know you think sounds better. I would greatly appreciate the feedback on the two videos compared. Thank You.

[@mikemcfarland4439]

I love my Last Straw! I purchased the Foamless Finish counterpressure accessory at the same time a few years ago. I cussed the living heck out of the Foamless Finish when I first got it. It was a PITA to get it clamped properly without it leaking. I finally figured out the trick to keeping it sealed. Now I just leave it on the Last Straw and clean in place. I can't store it in the fancy box anymore, so it has a new home. I wish someone would offer the Foamless Finish again or a reasonable facsimile!

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

I would have kept my Last Straw if I had bought that adapter. I got frustrated and gave it away to young girl that bought my GrainFather from me before going to my Anvil Foundry. It was super cool looking.

[@kilner79]

take alook at the boel itap

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

I like them a lot especially the dual tap one for bottle filling where you can fill from two taps is really cool. I am going to probably hold off though as my wife is looking to sell our house, live somewhere for a short term while we have a new house built. At the new house she is bribing me with my own area to setup a small home brewery inside with any and everything I want (costs of course will limit me some as I'm not rich but I will leverage what I can into the mortgage if possible such as plumbing and wiring). I'm excited as I could brew inside without all the noise from outside and I'm strongly considering on running dual setups for testing reasons plus I have about 400 sq ft from my understanding which to me a lot of space. I may still brew outside if it is quiet and a nice day but as the house will be built downtown I suspect it will be noise outside most of the time. I hate moving but this could be huge for me and the channel long term although I am very concerned about the in between part as that is an unknown and I have too much stuff to go to an apartment so it has to be a house before our final house is built.

[@LatigoRanch]

Have a table saw? Why not just grab some scrap plywood and make a bottle holder? That would keep your bottle upright regardless of hoses trying to pull it over. Just four vertical walls secured to a big base would do. Only cost a few bucks, and only take a few minutes to make.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

I'm not real mechanical in regards to building things but I might try when my new house is completed which will hopefully be before the end of the year. I have lots of projects to complete but I think this one might be worth it with 15 to 16 taps.

[@LatigoRanch]

@@BitterRealityBrewing Building a house? Perfect! The dumpster out front is a perfect place to find some scrap wood.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

@@LatigoRanch LOL! I keep looking at some of that stuff in my dumpster, thinking they are just wasteful. Sadly at the moment, I live in a tiny 2-bedroom, 3-story condo. (I never miss leg day.)

[@LatigoRanch]

@@BitterRealityBrewing Yeah, we moved from a 2 BR into our new house. It was actually the neighboring dumpsters we raided after we moved in. Yes, the builders seem very wasteful, but that was our gain! 😁

[@hhbrewery]

Build a simple stand for the filler system.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Someone a while back sent me a DIY plans on how to build one and it was pretty simple and straight forward from what I remember.

[@hhbrewery]

@@BitterRealityBrewing I built a stand of four counter pressure fillers for my brewery that works great. You could get away from the clutter of beer lines and CO2 lines with a stand. Happy brewing!

[@lakeside477]

That’s not how tap cooler works,the valve on the side controls fill, just saying

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

I'm aware of that but maybe I need to re-watch my video to see how it might appear to users. I use to have a lot of issues with the CO2 purging button on top not sealing but it appears to be working much better after using the device a great deal.

[@tonyayala9172]

the pressure gage you dont need it

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Fully agree as I mentioned it really isn't necessary. I bought it with my first counter pressure filler as I was still learning about it years back.

[@tonyayala9172]

@@BitterRealityBrewing sorry it was a question

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

@@tonyayala9172 No problem, and no you don't need it.