COUNTERING RAIDEN with the BIGGEST unit! | Mechabellum Commentary

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[@zerex8375]

I feel like the Saber Side Guns should be machine guns instead. Maybe scaling with range or with longer range than the normal gun. It would be interesting to add two slightly stronger Mustang guns on the Saber. It would help finish off units its main gun can almost kill, saving the main gun for full health targets, it would help a small amount with chaff clear, and it could kill off unupgraded wasps. It wouldn't be GOOD at anything in particular, but it would at least be interesting. As they are now, I just feel like they add nothing to the unit while removing its ability to take range. Maybe it can clear steel balls better? But that feels like the only thing the side guns do.

[@OhmIsFutile]

I see what you're saying and I think they definitely need a change, though I think I'd stay away from giving them chaff clear even if it it's kinda bad. If it sucks too much then what's the point either way? Tbh I'm not sure what to make of it. I wish it had optional turret-mounted AA instead, maybe a weaker version of the farseer missile or something like that, but that's not gonna happen.

[@RoosterYoutube]

@@zerex8375 I agree! Currently the Side guns are purely a DPS tech, which performs worse than double shot at a higher cost. The damage is too low to even kill midsized units effectively, and the 0m splash is simply awful. Some machine guns could allow the sabertooth to cover its chaff clearing weakness at short range, while still requiring dedicated chaff clear units to make the comp work at long range.

[@zerex8375]

@@OhmIsFutile No real disagreements from me on that. We wouldn't want to make the Saber a good chaff clearer. I love the flavor of the sideguns, I just don't see how they are currently useful.

[@zerex8375]

@RoosterKZbin Exactly, Double Shot is better, and if you were going to pair Double Shot with something, range is a much better thing to get then Side guns. I am happy for the variety, but I do hope they iterate on it a few times until it finds that good spot.

[@El__Tigre]

Great commentary as usual Rooster ❤

[@JellyP723]

But everyone on the subreddit assured me that it wasn't counterable :( how did you counter it if reddit said you couldnt :_(

[@groundhog-plays]

I mean... he barely won the round and he has the ability to upload any replay. It took him forever to make a comeback, winning with only 160hp left. And his opponent was so far ahead it looks like he started to meme a bit.... and Rooster is insanely skilled at the game. Raiden isn't unbeatable no. It depends on the skill of the two players. However, I'd say raiden spammers are adding about 400 MMR artificially, which isn't good for the rank ecosystem, they'll be losing a lot when the nerf comes and it just makes the games boring while they artificially rise and then fall as well. MMR should be making good matches not egos.

[@hori-airi]

Uncounter? No, but slightly op than others units then yes

[@OhmIsFutile]

The strategy works, I've seen other examples. I dunno about this particular one seeing as Scion made a couple of major mistakes imo. The other major example I've seen is just mostly abandonning the tower in front of the raidens and leveling it. At level 5 it can tank raidens for a stupid amount of time. I'm hoping we'll find less jank boards to work to counter them but they still feel at least a little overtuned if not OP.

[@fredthefrenchfryman]

nice game

[@CrypticQuote]

RAY DEN!

[@devinbyrnes8058]

I have only encountered Ion Raiden’s at 1400 mmr.

[@constantink3721]

melter tho? He was giant spec too

[@matheca6667]

Would immediatly picking range melter against the lvl 2 war factory be bad ? It is the obvious play for me

[@RoosterYoutube]

That would definitely win the game for my opponent! I have played a few more of these kind of games into Raiden, and WF is often only good as a gutshot play against the strat.

[@HideBuz]

Should have gone early for range melting points.

[@carbonuhlyk6757]

it is super as you make it realy dramatic and dont tell how every round ends

[@Blasterbot-ye2uk]

Nobody runs Ion so big boys counter. Kek.

[@sadasdafa]

clear the chaffs, and aa snipers will delete them no idea why people dont use aa sniper

[@conelord1984]

Because of chain. Around the time you end clearing their chaff they will end clearing yours. At this point the chain raidens will one shot your marksmen.

[@Jmat-tc8zs]

@@conelord1984 I've had good success with Assault Mode allowing them to survive long enough to actually kill the Raidans.