Countersteering - Rider Risk

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riderrisk

riderrisk

12 жыл бұрын

An essential skill you must master.
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Created by PJ Collins for the Motorcycle Council of New South Wales (www.mccofnsw.org.au)
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Rider Risk is a series of informational videos for motorcyclists of all ages and experience levels, filled with practical tips and advice.
We want to show you ways to improve your road sense and be a better, safer, more comfortable rider.
Each episode's only about 3 minutes long but there's useful stuff here whether you've just started riding, or been on the road for years.

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@greenzx9r
@greenzx9r 10 жыл бұрын
I just don't understand why people talk about counter steering like there is an alternative. It won't improve your riding..... it is a physical necessity if you want to get around the corner! If you ride a bike you already do it. Period.
@Anivr0m
@Anivr0m 10 жыл бұрын
The alternative is to pull the steering on the side you want to turn into and trying to lean to change direction, which is more work and less effective. counter steering is different in the way that you are *pushing* the handle bar on the side you want to turn and you lean *with* the bike as it leans due to the pushing motion.
@Anivr0m
@Anivr0m 10 жыл бұрын
You are quite right. It's more the leaning action that people tend to use to turn rather than initiating with push/pull on steering
@EGDmitry
@EGDmitry 10 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Cross you can't make the bike+rider lean unless you give it an input through steering. The center of gravity will stay at the same point.
@genecitarella3516
@genecitarella3516 8 жыл бұрын
+Dima Gorbik "Exactly"
@adinitisor
@adinitisor 7 жыл бұрын
I think he means consciously counter-steering as opposed to just unconsciously doing it (inefficiently) while you try to lean the bike through body shifting or pressing on the foot pegs alone.
@paulclarkson1778
@paulclarkson1778 2 жыл бұрын
When I sold my (light) KTM Duke 390 and bought a heavy Peugeot Metropolis, I suddenly found I was having trouble keeping in my lane on the motorway (on a slight curve). I then found out about countersteering (after riding for 40 years!) and practiced it. Wow, awesome! Night and day. An absolutely vital skill!
@StoutProper
@StoutProper Жыл бұрын
You rode for 40 years without countersteering? You’re unbelievably lucky not to be dead
@Plague_Doc22
@Plague_Doc22 6 жыл бұрын
Something alot of new riders may not know is that the bike always wants to stand straight up. So when you push in to do counter steer, simply removing hte pressure on the bar will make the bike straighten itself up. You dont have to push on the other side of the bar. The bike does this naturally.
@kenwittlief255
@kenwittlief255 Жыл бұрын
not just new riders - MOST people do not understand that motorcycles are self balancing, they think if you dont pay attention the bike will just fall over at 75mph. The fact that (as long as the wheels are spinning) the motorcycle is self balancing is the reason why you have to countersteer to corner. The bike wants to stand up and go straight. Pushing the grip holds it off its natural vertical & go straight function, and forces it to lean and curve instead.
@WakeTheIsraelites
@WakeTheIsraelites 8 жыл бұрын
all riders have to countersteer . the problem with this video is that the speaker acts like there is a choice .
@Kid574
@Kid574 8 жыл бұрын
+Klean Kut Konversions Agreed, and there actually is NO choice. Even hands-free body steering induces a countersteering action on the bars. Physics!
@zain6610
@zain6610 7 жыл бұрын
Reading about this now when i want to get a super sport, been doing this for 10 years on my 125 fml
@5teff219
@5teff219 8 жыл бұрын
I was doing this without noticing. But now my turns are much more controllable. Great video!
@catleugh
@catleugh 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. When you use counter steering consciously, your steering can show dramatic improvement.
@KathrynLiz1
@KathrynLiz1 9 жыл бұрын
Lots of confusion here.... Everyone countersteers ,whether they are aware of it or not. What this guy is talking about is using the technique consciously when cornering, especially at speed. Most times when a bike on the road fails to take a bend, it is because the rider didn't know how, rather than lack of ability of the bike to make it round. Countersteering is counter-intuitive, and unless you have programmed your brain to do it instinctively, when you push it beyond your normal ability you will try to steer round the corner, not look where you want to go, target fixate, and crash. One of the best ways to program yourself to counter steer properly is "cone weaving" at a good speed, above 50km/hr (30mph). You can use cut-in-half tennis balls as "cones", cheap and very portable. Also, when negotiating a long bend on a quiet road, go in at a good speed for your ability, and practice just pushing gently on the inside bar, and see how your line changes; inwards with the pressure and back out again when you take it off. Most of the time, it's a matter of a few ounces of pressure, no more. Practice this, make it a habit, and in emergencies the ability of your bike and tyres to change direction will amaze you, and probably save your ass. Keep the rubber on the bottom y'all... xo
@OnlyKaerius
@OnlyKaerius 7 жыл бұрын
I've instinctively leaned 55° during training, without consciously knowing about counter-steering. I've got some previous motorcycle experience, starting on dirt bikes when I was 7.
@rtogurl
@rtogurl 7 жыл бұрын
KathrynLiz1 Well explained.
@enematwatson1357
@enematwatson1357 6 жыл бұрын
Kaerius Well, there you go. Started riding an actual motorcycle at 7. You just wired your brain to CS effectively along with a whole host of bodyweight shifts, I'm sure. Kids learn fast. Riding a motorcycle is just as easy and natural as walking if you got the chance to learn at an early age in a safe environment.
@softailfun
@softailfun 4 жыл бұрын
breezelow unknown Your advise is going to kill people fella. You need to stop this..... seriously!!
@mannyechaluce3814
@mannyechaluce3814 2 жыл бұрын
There is no other way to steer a two wheeled vehicle with curved tires :D if you are not counter steering you are going straight, if you know how to ride a bicycle, you already know how to counter steer :D Counter steering can be applied to any two wheeled vehicle with curved tires from any speed above 0.
@bbjagaa
@bbjagaa 4 жыл бұрын
After riding a bicycle for many years, I realize I’ve been doing it all the time
@geddstock
@geddstock 3 жыл бұрын
Best training I ever had was to Consciously counter steer every time I turn my bike. We all have those times when we’ve misjudged a corner or need to swerve away from a car. More control means a safer ride.......👍
@choochoochooseyou
@choochoochooseyou 9 жыл бұрын
Ok, speaking as a complete novice to motorcycling I can tell you this video is excellent. A lot of you are having a go saying everything he says is obvious. Clearly then, the video is not aimed at you. I have been a car, van, lorry and even bus driver for many years and had never heard of counter-steering.
@xxtoxii9615
@xxtoxii9615 6 жыл бұрын
cars dont have it
@joej2353
@joej2353 2 жыл бұрын
But in a car, you know that if you make a fast turn, the mass of the car shifts to the outside of the turn. When you get on two wheels, it’s that centrifugal force that leans the bike in the opposite direction. It’s not a technique. It’s how a motorcycle turns. The important thing as a new rider is to do it very consciously until it becomes second nature so you don’t steer into trouble in a panic. If you search KZbin for counter steering crash, an excellent video comes up showing exactly what happens when someone fails to understand counter steering.
@VPB1970
@VPB1970 8 жыл бұрын
I have been steering my bikes using contersteering for about 30 years. as long as you go more then 10km/h is a true life saver. we still have to steer "normally" below that speed. it's hard to explain to a newbie that going slow you need to use the inverse technics you use going more then about 10km/h. Below that you steer to the side you want to go, and your body should out its weight on the opposite side of the bike curve intend. above that it the absolute opposite. You steer opposite to the curve intent and your body should lean to the inside of the corner, to the side of the curve intent. Weird but true and essential. Great video.
@XtreeM_FaiL
@XtreeM_FaiL 7 жыл бұрын
There is no inverse tecnic. If your speed is zero or more, you counter steer. There is no magical speed where it does not work. It is all physics.
@sFde46
@sFde46 7 жыл бұрын
you can turn normally below ~15kph. Try pushing the bike without counter stearing and it will go where you point the bars...
@kkarx
@kkarx 7 жыл бұрын
Lack of gravity force? Where do you ride your bike? In space? :-D
@OnlyKaerius
@OnlyKaerius 7 жыл бұрын
Skull Full: I guess you never learned to crawl. While it depends a bit on the weight and balance of the bike, you can easily do 5 km/h, under that it tends to get a bit wobbly. To keep that low speed you need to control it with the clutch, constantly going on and off the engage zone. I can control it down to about 4 km/h, but it takes a bit of weight shifting correction to stay mostly on course. I'm a newbie.
@rtogurl
@rtogurl 7 жыл бұрын
Kaerius I'm newbie too, and during the course I took, we were encouraged to call that "friction mode." My husband and friends have been riding for 30 years. When I came home talking about friction mode, he was like......what? I said yeah, I see you do it all the time when in tight quarters. Then I explained and he was like oh. Is that what they call it. 😆
@fat_biker
@fat_biker 12 жыл бұрын
Countersteering works as long as you are moving. I've seen it demonstrated at creeping speeds. There IS a transition point, though - a transition point between where moving your bodyweight from side to side to initiate a lean overwhelms the tiny almost undetectable effect of very slow speed countersteering, and the point where the effect of countersteering at high speed overwhelms the tiny almost undetectable effect of shifting your bodyweight.
@Senetor17
@Senetor17 12 жыл бұрын
Great Vid guys, thanks. Countersteering works every time, whether doing a U turn in a car park or narrow street, or out on the open road through fast sweepers. I had a blast this afternoon practicing and can't believe how much lower I am able to lean the bike. Also how much more stable the bike is through the corner. One thing though, not mentioned in this Vid, when you push, you push forward. Someone told me to push down, but that does not work. And remember to lean with the bike. Shiny side up
@kevinjones1942
@kevinjones1942 7 жыл бұрын
I saw that rider going around that corner all super wide and awkward going "THAT"S ME!!!" lol
@mrpsd590
@mrpsd590 5 жыл бұрын
One of the most detailed and mature videos on KZbin, pertaining to this topic. Thank you!
@andrewwade8464
@andrewwade8464 4 жыл бұрын
That Guy try Keith Codes A twist of the wrist videos.
@gravyau
@gravyau Жыл бұрын
Absolutely the best counter-steering video on KZbin
@bdevs8146
@bdevs8146 8 жыл бұрын
Best vid ive come across explaining this, every other youtube vid ive came across was way too confusing and over complicated it for us newbies. thanks man
@bkp100
@bkp100 11 жыл бұрын
I don't think the producers are suggesting there's another way to steer, as much as they're pointing out that *consciously* counter-steering, as opposed to the many that do it out of instinct, simply because it's never been pointed out to them, and therefore don't use it to the best advantage, will yield much better riding results. It's amazing how many riders have not been introduced to the actual concept, which is why legends like Keith Code point it out along with throttle control.
@johnnewton1540
@johnnewton1540 7 жыл бұрын
One of the best explanations of Counter steering I have come across. Well done guys.
@Jackreaper6
@Jackreaper6 7 жыл бұрын
Some how I taught myself to do this subconsciously but now that I'm actually aware my cornering had improved.
@la1t
@la1t 12 жыл бұрын
this is the most definitive and instructive vid about countersteering so far on youtube!
@zRev1983
@zRev1983 12 жыл бұрын
great tutorial. I'm getting my first bike this weekend. I've ridden a little with my friend, but this is very helpful. thanks for posting.
@MrTopGunnar
@MrTopGunnar 9 жыл бұрын
i do the zigzag thing for fun to warm up my tires in the morning... look forward to my commute every morning :)
@cueballB
@cueballB 6 жыл бұрын
MrTopG Zigzaggin won't warm your tires faster. There is no increased contact with the road. You'll warm your tires much faster by quick acceleration an hard braking.
@softailfun
@softailfun 4 жыл бұрын
breezelow unknown The pro’s also counter steer, but you choose to ignore that fact!
@johnmeadows7007
@johnmeadows7007 11 жыл бұрын
After getting back on a bike after 28yrs off I always wondered why cornering was so difficult without running off. Nuts I now know. After buying my lastest Ducati Monster stead and buying a decent book on riding techniques I learnt this technique. What a difference, I now enjoy giving the bike some welly and hanging off the side too. This simple technique has made me a safer and quicker rider.
@ntzov
@ntzov 12 жыл бұрын
For countersteering you have to apply a horizontal force on the bars (push forward). Some riders think they should put their weight in the side of the turn. What they do is to apply an oblique force on the bars which can be analyzed into two components: one that is facing towards the ground, which does nothing and causes waste of energy, and a horizontal which actually steers the bike
@rubberduckytenfour8857
@rubberduckytenfour8857 11 жыл бұрын
My instructor taught me this and its brilliant!! Great post!
@karlschulz2424
@karlschulz2424 9 жыл бұрын
so true, once I started my ride improved a lot..
@superbikeschool
@superbikeschool 11 жыл бұрын
Countersteering was discovered by the Wright Brothers when they made bicycles. So if it applies to bicycles at slow speeds, then why would it not apply to a motorcycle at low speeds? Countersteering applies to any speed, even to balancing a bike when completely stopped.
@andrewwade8464
@andrewwade8464 4 жыл бұрын
superbikeschool ahh technically but not really. Keith Code. A twist of the wrist video will explain.
@salvo9718
@salvo9718 Жыл бұрын
I would like to complement you, for been the first one that truly made me understand how countersteering is been done, both visually by showing this video and by explaining it so clearly, that even a newbie like me, could understand now. I always thought that when other explained countersteering, what are they talking about? Don't you steer by turning the handlebar left or right? Then when I found out about counter steering and after watching many KZbin movie clips? I never could clearly understand the inner working of their way of explaining counter steering. Thank you.
@akshaykumar_r
@akshaykumar_r 6 жыл бұрын
2:42 That's exactly why I slow down a lot before such turns! Guess I need loads of practice..
@KaleshwarVhKaleshwarVh
@KaleshwarVhKaleshwarVh 3 жыл бұрын
What you are doing is good. I am still not getting this concept but yes, slow down when you are straight and then lean and accelerate out of the corner. I think it's safe than just going in full speed or hsrd-braking in the mid.
@michass.1895
@michass.1895 3 жыл бұрын
@@KaleshwarVhKaleshwarVh watch this video please. It may help you become better rider kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3PNf2qElNOSjdk
@mikemayster10
@mikemayster10 11 жыл бұрын
I have a medium sized bike and i'm newbie and didn't know counter steering at all but without realizing I was doing it already.until i saw this video and now I know what its called....the counter steering.tnx!
@yethuraj4873
@yethuraj4873 2 жыл бұрын
10 years ago this guy had awesome camera, motorcycles and editing technology. Wow fantastic this man maybe is a time traveler he was ahead of time.
@Nontacticalboy
@Nontacticalboy 5 жыл бұрын
I think pushing where you wanna go makes more sense than pulling the opposite handle bars. Turning left = pushing the left handle, or turning left = pulling the right hand bar.
@WilliamDeanPlumbing
@WilliamDeanPlumbing 9 жыл бұрын
Newbs, remember it will feel uncomfortable and strange at first, and will take some time to get used to, don't resist the urge to go back to the wrong way of turning, even though it feels correct from a newbs perspective. I've noticed the heavy the bike the more counter steer you need. My Honda rune 1600cc really needed a lot of counter steer. Light bikes were rather minor counter..... cheers.
@paullevan1945
@paullevan1945 7 жыл бұрын
someone help me out here so i already have my class m but I wasn't going fast enough to worry to much. I was pressing from the top down on the bar to turn. I keep hearing counter steering and this worries me because it sounds to me like I should be pushing away from me on the turn side in order to turn that direction. like if I want to turn right I should be pushing the right grip forward towards the headlight instead of down to the ground. so if I'm sitting still and push hard the wheel would actually face left to go right. am I doing it right or wrong? serious answers please I don't want to get out there with the wrong information and die because someone thinks it's funny.
@7starsfear
@7starsfear 11 жыл бұрын
I'm a beginner and i find this very helpful,thanks :) Great video.
@Ramon51650
@Ramon51650 2 жыл бұрын
At minute 2:45 the narrator says that front braking while steering makes the bike want to go wide. You can brake through out a turn; you simply must not grab a fistful of front brake; you have to trail brake.
@-brooke.
@-brooke. 3 жыл бұрын
Really has revolutionised my riding, thanks peeps!!
@mymanthekid
@mymanthekid 11 жыл бұрын
wich is the best bike for a beginner i want to buy a good bike? i want to buy a honda cbr rr 600 is that a good ideea?
@richardjackson2780
@richardjackson2780 12 жыл бұрын
I glad you said that, thought I was going mad, it's something you do naturally, even on a push bike!!!!
@svendewulf
@svendewulf 12 жыл бұрын
great to hear that man, i'm also a beginning rider, i have some experience (2years) on a 50cc sportbike, but that's nothing compared to the real thing, got my first 6hours of lessons on 5& 6 sept. after that i'll have to do 2 more to be able to take the exam which will grant me my full license... i'm not gonna start on a 250 as we learn with 650's, so i'm looking for something like a 600 or a 750 to start with, maybe sportbike, maybe nakedbike, not sure yet, however, i'm gonna do vlogs ;-)
@HrideshRaj
@HrideshRaj 9 жыл бұрын
Oh!!! I have been doing this all these years!
@kwonstudent
@kwonstudent 11 жыл бұрын
Great video and explanation.
@chtomlin
@chtomlin 11 жыл бұрын
the key here is understanding it and consciously working with it some. Yes, we all did it naturally to one extent or another, but you can watch video on here every day, where under pressure, natural reactions don't cut it for some. Gaining a conscious working knowledge of counter steer can make a big difference in a tight.
@marcmondragone8649
@marcmondragone8649 7 жыл бұрын
There's so many arguments about counter steering in a bicycle being made unconciosly when you are a kid . But I remember we used to take wider turns in order to lean the bicycle in the street corners .
@RoadcraftNottingham
@RoadcraftNottingham 12 жыл бұрын
@AlexRyteuBart ..Everyone does it without thinking but when it's pointed out to a student it often saves them if they mess up a corner because they consciously know what to do. I've had very positive feedback from my students after pointing this out to them.
@davidfortune3315
@davidfortune3315 6 жыл бұрын
It’s a great video. A lot of folks reckon they do it naturally, I find that hard to believe! I don’t mean they are being dishonest but I wonder if they are doing it correctly. Look at video at 1.10 and when the rider gets ‘normal’ cornering wrong! I have ridden motorcycles for many years and take good lines through bends but counter steering you have to consciously do. It is like windsurfing, there are techniques that just aren’t ‘natural’ until you learn them. I hope this helps. Keep safe one and all.
@9dominion
@9dominion 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@Sailor1010
@Sailor1010 12 жыл бұрын
Great vid. I am still learning the right side of the road, let alone driving on the left!
@a10miletooth
@a10miletooth 8 жыл бұрын
I'm thoroughly convinced at this point that every video on counter-steering is made specifically so people can say they "sucked at turning until they saw the video". they're a meme at this point.
@RoadcraftNottingham
@RoadcraftNottingham 12 жыл бұрын
Good video, very clear. Well done.
@IAmSamThatIAM
@IAmSamThatIAM 12 жыл бұрын
@mad4tarmac That is so true, love your comment.
@goinsideandwatchtv
@goinsideandwatchtv 11 жыл бұрын
The slight turn toward the outside of the turn creates a slight lean toward the inside. When this occurs, the contact between the bike tires and the road surface begins to transfer toward the side of the tires that is toward the inside. This is why a bike turns by leaning. It is also why bike tires are rounded, with tread on the side. When the tire leans, it does not travel in a straight line, but rather an arc, taking the bike with it. A Frisbee does this when it rolls on the ground.
@davidrus
@davidrus 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you !
@dev-2-go
@dev-2-go 5 жыл бұрын
AWESOME!
@stevelacey7177
@stevelacey7177 2 жыл бұрын
Im loving this technique
@MaGicMik3z
@MaGicMik3z 12 жыл бұрын
@calineophyte wrong - speeds of roughly 15-20 mph or above countersteer i used. where as below these speeds depending on the turn you just turn the bike like normal as the speeds are too low for the countersteering to have a positive effect
@RonSheridan
@RonSheridan 12 жыл бұрын
thank you for posting this!
@rockkueyar
@rockkueyar 9 жыл бұрын
awesome yamaha, which one is it ?¿
@1scott921
@1scott921 12 жыл бұрын
It's seems like that, so if I want to take a left turn i have to push my LEFT handlebar FORWARD...? I was always pushing the right handlebar downward.... when I was trying to practice countersteering. Is that what you're talking about?
@Dannyboy31415
@Dannyboy31415 11 жыл бұрын
Redline - Its good to understand because if you were steering a bike and never knew you were acutally using countersteering, it would be that much harder to keep a bike committed to a line if you started to panic. If you know EXACTLY what makes the bike tighten its line you are more likely to be able to keep it there
@kingsterr323
@kingsterr323 12 жыл бұрын
Does anybody know the name of the bike he is sitting on in the beginning?
@mgpvii
@mgpvii Жыл бұрын
I’d don’t understand this video when it speaks about counter steering being the best way and once you learn you will never go back. Is there another way? Can you really turn without it? Whether you know about it or not all riders do it to turn. You can’t turn without doing it. I heard people say you turn by leaning your body. I saw a video showing that really doesn’t do much. He showed how he took his entire weight and stood on one side of his bike and it barely turned.
@XtreeM_FaiL
@XtreeM_FaiL Жыл бұрын
Pretty much what you said. ....Sorry! exactly like you said.
@ps3gamewizz
@ps3gamewizz 6 жыл бұрын
these are the sort of things they should teach you when learning to ride counter steering weight distribution, positive and negative road camber tyre temperature and grip.
@Lucky_Z_Danut
@Lucky_Z_Danut 11 жыл бұрын
Hello, can you use Countersteering technique while your getting your Knee Down in a corner?
@ookland81
@ookland81 12 жыл бұрын
A balanced and pleasant presented video. The speaker is perfect for the task. Why or why does the RTA not include this sort of thing on a CD/DVD or even offer it as a download, not just for new riders but anyone who is interested.
@marcusmcclelland
@marcusmcclelland 9 жыл бұрын
how does the mt01 go?
@knxght7365
@knxght7365 8 жыл бұрын
FINALLY, a video that actually SHOWS techniques & ways to do it, and not just talking about it riding around...
@marlonrobinson940
@marlonrobinson940 10 жыл бұрын
One more thing, the bike will respond to whatever u do at very slow speed. The effects of counter steering are mostly felt and are more effective at speeds of 10mph and above, just remembering that the faster u go the harder it will be to counter steer. If i'm not right someone please tell me.
@fr8fr6dr69
@fr8fr6dr69 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, you are right - the faster any object moves, particularly a gyroscope (a motorcycle is a gyroscope), the more stable it becomes - stability and maneuverability are always on the opposite ends of the graph - the more stable an object becomes, the less maneuverable it becomes. I know this primarily from aviation - I am a pilot, and a jet move in all 3 axes, so I am used to dealing with momentum, acceleration, stability et. al., but I am also a lifelong rider. Yes, counter-steering is felt above around 15 mph, depending a bit on the bike/rider/wheel size etc. Just remember to think of your bike as a gyro - the spinning wheels do more than carry you forward, their spinning motion is also what keeps you upright (or in a turn after you have counter-steered.)
@tripodtiger
@tripodtiger 11 жыл бұрын
Have a think about this. This is a series of videos that, I reckon, are designed to make riders think about their riding. It's not supposed to be absolute. It's not 'how to ride' or 'what you must do'. Little bits that encourage riders to practice and learn, develop different skills for use at different times and situations. And if you think that counter steering is the only thing you need to steer a bike, you've been misled or a mistaken. Countersteering is only part of the whole game.
@svendewulf
@svendewulf 12 жыл бұрын
if you look very closely at the bars in the example at 0:49 you can actually see him giving a small nudge on the right hand side bar, which initiates the turn... should've filmed that up close with a highspeed camera so you can see the bars first turning to the left, the bike starting to lean over to the right & then the bars turning over to the right to stabilize the bike in the current angle... it's a fantastic phenomenon
@mozzmann
@mozzmann 11 жыл бұрын
So if you ride straight in the left wheel track and push on the right side of the bars the wheels move left relative to the mass of the bike ie the mass of the bike stays put and the wheels start to move left out from under the bike initiating the natural lean but you centralise the bars and maintain that lean until you neutralise the turn buy reverse actions, pushing on the left side of the bar which moves the wheels back under the bike and you ride straight. remember this is very subtle.
@magnumkhizriev4844
@magnumkhizriev4844 12 жыл бұрын
what is that Yamaha in the first time video?
@AMorgan57
@AMorgan57 12 жыл бұрын
I like the point about the location of contact relative to center of gravity. It means more rubber on the road, and more force on that contact. A good rider (I can imagine, but I am only a casual rider) would study all this and practice until it was natural and mostly automatic. Casual riders of course should endeavor to become good riders.
@SatansSpatula
@SatansSpatula 11 жыл бұрын
You are correct that it is required for turning a two-wheeled vehicle. However, a large number of riders aren't conscious of it and, particularly when panicked, they try to turn the bike by leaning their body, which doesn't do anything.
@DerekEvilsizor
@DerekEvilsizor 7 жыл бұрын
Gyroscopic precession: Why counter steering and leaning, work together to "turn" the bike. - Either alone work. "Turning" the handlebars/wheel (pushing the right one away), "leans" the wheel to the right. Leaning the bike to the right (leaning the front wheel right, on the roll axis), "turns" the wheel to the right....against which we must 'countersteer' to keep the bike from righting itself via the front wheel traveling under the cg.
@softailfun
@softailfun 4 жыл бұрын
DerekEvilsizor What the f**k did you say? 😂😂😂😂😂
@adonay.charisma
@adonay.charisma 6 жыл бұрын
is it work the same on 125 moped?
@qettyz
@qettyz 12 жыл бұрын
@elshit1983 No, it means that to get bike turn for example left, you have to do little turn to right just when you want to tilt bike left. It's all about the fysics of the bike. You can get bike to tilt left also by moving your body mass to left, but it's way slow and unsafe. Easiest way to see counter steering is to ride bicycle in wet surface quickly, make a turn and go to see tire marks on the ground. There is see that you do exactly this with bicycle also without even thinking it
@calineophyte
@calineophyte 12 жыл бұрын
@MaGicMik3z Countersteering or momentarily turning the front wheel in the opposite direction or to the outside of the intended arc forces the motorcycle to fall to the inside of your intended arc. The wheel is then turned to follow the arc of the curve. If you just countersteered and kept that pressure on the bar the bike would continue to fall until it was on the ground. If you don't believe me, go try it. Then you will be a believer.
@enematwatson1357
@enematwatson1357 6 жыл бұрын
calineophyte The steering really turns on its own once you are above the "magical" speed where CS "works". You actually need to resist that (not stop it, though) in order for the bike to keep going deeper.
@AndresCuervoArt
@AndresCuervoArt 7 жыл бұрын
How do you countersteer bellow 20mph? I saw a video of a guy pushing right at 15mph and the bike goes left "steering" while he tried at 20mph he pushed again to the right and then the bike did go to the right. So how can people say CS is the only way to steer a bike?
@SatansSpatula
@SatansSpatula 11 жыл бұрын
You mentioned several things which are consequences of the way in which a motorcycle steers, not causes of it. Simply put, counter-steering is the act of running the wheels out from under the center of mass. Push on the left bar, the front wheel points right, the wheels then track to right, moving the wheels out from under the center of mass, resulting in a lean to the left. The front wheel then returns to a slight leftward turn in order to keep the bike balanced at the desired rate of turn.
@rick1234d
@rick1234d 12 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@travis9190
@travis9190 8 жыл бұрын
how do you not countersteer your bike?
@dropj3
@dropj3 8 жыл бұрын
you don't lol.. but instead of leaning your weight and use countersteering while not being aware of it makes cornering harder. becoming aware of it and using this knowledge will improve your cornering.
@DroidLocks6971
@DroidLocks6971 8 жыл бұрын
you must counter steer unless yer going really slow and I was doing it as a new rider and did not even know the term counter steer existed . ull do it naturally without even realizing it . this video needs to be redone because it leads us 2 believe that we have z choice of how to steer a motorcycle when there is only one way to steer period at speed
@mickjagger4504
@mickjagger4504 7 жыл бұрын
Another BINGO!
@antdx316
@antdx316 6 жыл бұрын
you have a bike with really long handle bars
@fawkthescene666
@fawkthescene666 11 жыл бұрын
Is that a 6th generation vfr? I got a 5th gen and love it.
@kbent88
@kbent88 12 жыл бұрын
So do you countersteer completely through the turn? Or do you counter steer to iniciate the lean, and change your CM to keep the bike over?
@IronGutsTommy
@IronGutsTommy 11 жыл бұрын
agreed. people assume counter steering is done with a huge counter steer, but its very slight. its really more about body positioning, leaning, and weight shifting than dramatic turns of the wheel, just like with a bicycle
@AlexRyteuBart
@AlexRyteuBart 12 жыл бұрын
Is there any other way to turn?? I know countersteering since i started cycling at age 4.
@Dutchguy74
@Dutchguy74 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's exactly right, countersteering, once you get it you never go back, in fact I would say you can not even go back once you get it, at first you learn it at high speed ,at that moment in time you think there is a magical speed in which countersteering comes into effect, later you find out countering steering works at any speed, a link is established in your brain between the forward pressure on the handle bar and how much the bike steers, then you start countersteering your bicycle, your e-bike the same way. But it is still better to also lean a bit into the corner, you don't have to, countersteering does the job on its own just fine, but when you also lean into the corner, the bike has a bit less lean angle, so that means a bit less risk. For me it also feels better when I also lean into the corner
@TxAggies
@TxAggies 11 жыл бұрын
While I get what you're saying, I think the point is to help teach proper technique for the effective use of counter-steering. Like they illustrated in the video, at higher speed riding, it's not enough to just counter-steer -- you have to combine that with proper body and foot positioning. It's the combination of these three that make the counter-steering technique more effective in navigating curves at higher rates of speed.
@cinqueottavi
@cinqueottavi 12 жыл бұрын
Sorry I don't understand really well english. What does counter steering mean? If I want to turn right I have to torn the bar left?
@kenje80
@kenje80 12 жыл бұрын
Yamaha MT01. Great sound and cool bike
@erikm9768
@erikm9768 8 жыл бұрын
great stuff!
@kx85kid12
@kx85kid12 12 жыл бұрын
im 16 ive been riding dirt bikes since i was 4.. i guess i automatically counter steer right? And im an agressive rider so im always going fast.
@Anarki3000
@Anarki3000 12 жыл бұрын
does it apply to scooters?
@BrooklynBoas
@BrooklynBoas 12 жыл бұрын
I agree being a native NYC, I learned how to counter steer comes pretty natural. However they do explain but not in depth of when you don't counter steer.
@jmassey74
@jmassey74 8 жыл бұрын
new rider here,does this work for cruisers and touring bikes also or just for sport bikes?
@daik0ni
@daik0ni 8 жыл бұрын
Everything on 2 wheels.
@jamiet4421
@jamiet4421 7 жыл бұрын
hey thanks so much, very pleasant video, unlike many which they cuss and swear more than anything. God bless you and everyone around you wherever life may lead you.
@alexdem98
@alexdem98 7 жыл бұрын
Does this apply to choppers as well?
@KevToon61
@KevToon61 11 жыл бұрын
Good video mate, yep it works well, cheers.
@bratnikola
@bratnikola 12 жыл бұрын
Can You do this with maxi scooter, I mean is it possible? Because of the gas tank.
@MadMarcusProductionz
@MadMarcusProductionz 11 жыл бұрын
Ya you can turn the bike by using your body weight at slow speeds but counter steering if you were trying to go right is pushing the right handle bar away from you which at slow speeds would cause you to go left so I don't see how its possible at slower then 10 or so.
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