COURTROOM INSIDER | A jail call, more texts and one more witness!

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Tonight on 'Courtroom Insider,' a jail phone call that we have never heard before...plus more text messages, who will be the final witness and a whole lot more. Tune in!
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[@scrapperiam463]

I don't think Chad ever believed in his visions. He just saw the power it gave him over others and used it for his power and ego.

[@audradaniels4161]

I totally agree

[@bethanymock4581]

I agree. He knew what he was doing when he told lourie she was no longer protected bc she wasn't talking to him he's just a liar/manipulator.

[@TazDevil7009]

The whole thing was his fiction from the moment he decided to turn a nasty bump under water into a near dearh experience in order to capitalise off Julie row and the vision of glory ideas. Made him a famous prophet popular with tge ladies, and what better pick up than...I was a god and you were my goddesses a past life. Worked for the " hot blonde"

[@Soffity]

@@TazDevil7009 sure did. But then she was already very much obsessed by his idiotic books. Wouldn’t work for me. I’d probably slap his stupid face except I couldn’t bear to touch him.

[@tanjabolli3170]

That is religion in a nutshell

[@sharithompson1672]

Couple of things I noticed; Chad keeps screwing up. He tells her that Alex laughed, then catches himself realizing he’s told her that he and Alex were texting, and adds “you know, lol”. He says Alex told him he misses her, then catches himself again realizing their schtick is that they can communicate with dead people and adds “but he’s not far you can text him anytime”. It infuriates me, he’s working her so hard. He doesn’t want to lose his piece. Blech. This man is not, nor ever has been, delusional. He was a small insignificant man with a big inferiority complex and a boatload of insecurities. Bored with his wife, bored with his life. Nothing more than a wanna-be cult leader, trying real hard but just can’t seem to really get it off the ground. And then he meets the blonde narcissist……

[@runningfox9750]

And he made up his near death experiences and visions (took it all and pieced it together from other people's books and talks at conferences.... because for years and years following his two accidents he'd never told a single friend or family member that he had a vision or a near death experience in either case.... And he took all the torn veil, end of times, light and dark spirits, portals and reincarnation talk from various fringe topics and teachings that break off groups from the LDS religion had been secretly passing around in fringe groups for years. He made it all up first to sell books after seeing Julie Rowe and Suzanne freeman make good money on their books and Julie began gaining an actual following demanding more n more books and selling out conference halls for talks about her visions of the future. Chad published these books ..Tammy doing all the work of course....and after he saw the success n popularity of these ladies n other authors books he suddenly came out writing books claiming his veil was torn in his near death experiences and he had all these visions of the end times. ...and eventually he shoveled so much crap he was calling himself and actual prophet and claiming he'd lived alongside Joseph Smith and of course with Jesus in past lives. He never believes his own crap. He told it to SELL BOOKS. to BE SOMEBODY and to gain himself a following of mostly women. When the "hot and loaded"(Chad words not mine) Lori "Ryan"-- wonder why she gave a name she wasn't living by at the time ..... Came into Chad's life and ate up his books his talks his stories his podcasts...and basically immediately jumped his bones...well dumpy chad daybell was so thrilled he had to keep up the lies and keep exalting himself and even moreso exalting lori as a goddess, in order to keep her as a lover. Pls see Hidden true crime channel and the JJ and Tylee silver linings podcast both here on KZbin. You'll learn soooo much about everything connected to Chad n Lori and all the people surrounding them and this case. I've learned an incredible amount by going back to the start of the hidden true crime channel and just watching every episode on this topic. Same thing with the silver linings podcast. It's so eye opening on all of it.

[@sharithompson1672]

@@runningfox9750 you’re a fan of True Hidden Crime as well! 😁 I think Lori does have mental issues. That doesn’t mean she didn’t know right from wrong but I believe she’d convinced herself of Chad’s idiotic lies for her own reasons. Justified getting what she wanted by any means all her life and it kept getting reinforced and growing (or sinking) levels until she ultimately rationalized the horrors she inflicted on innocent people by using Chads rhetoric to justify it. It was just to get what she wanted and she knew it deep down, but kept telling herself it was for some “greater good” because she had Chad to back up that narcissism. I think it’s good that she has to sit in jail and think about it for the rest of her life. Him? DP. What’s he worried about anyway? It’ll just give him a head start on that god gig he’s been bragging to all those “followers” of his.

[@wolfmoon2010]

@runningfox9750 that’s exactly what happened in a nutshell, he got what he wanted first Lori and now all this fame, it’s just not exactly how he envisioned and he lost his freedom. He knew when they arrested him it was over.

[@franklyspeaking4050]

This is the best synopsis of the situation! I couldn’t agree more. Watching from sunny South Africa 🇿🇦

[@Soffity]

Good comment, and of course Lori suddenly has a ‘near death: experience’ as well and goes off to heaven and is told she is wonderful and hasn’t done anything wrong by her ‘dear friend” Tammy. No wonder Tammy was on antidepressants. Bet you anything that Chad was treating her badly and with great distain. How her children were treating her is anyone’s guess. I feel so sad for her. Also if Lori can talk to and visit JJ, Tylee, her dead sister and Tammy why can’t she contact Alex? Is that why Chad says he is texting him, cause Lori can’t.

[@MissMolly3377]

I will tell you one thing, if I lived near Chad’s property, now, I would certainly have cameras up…I wouldn’t trust Emma, either.

[@robertdailey5112]

Me either I wouldn't trust none of them kids.If she was my kids teacher I sure would be taking her out of her class she's a nut just like her father

[@annettelacey7913]

Yes me either,I have a feeling she knows exactly what happened to the victims,She didnt seem shocked when the police dug up JJ,she was giggling with her dad talking about money & moving into her parents house,She thinks tammy was a zombie that's why she dont care her mum was murdered?She is dangerous I think,She was scaling her students light and dark,how she is still teaching is scary,

[@doreendaykin6693]

Amen🙏💙

[@Ofwaterandclay]

The interaction between Emma and Chad was so bizarre. She wasn’t even moved. She knew something.

[@nadine8785]

Yes agreed, she also said she calls Lori and gives her money in prison, speaks volumes to me! Her poor mother having to put up with Chad all these years and then he murders her, God rest her soul 😢

[@veronicac2591]

I don’t know how Chad was able to convince people, he’s not a good speaker, he’s like a Gomer Pyle.

[@1234cheerful]

Folksy. and they wanted to believe.

[@elsedutch4972]

By that you know how stupid people can be 🤓

[@bethanymock4581]

I watched a video of a KZbinr reading one of the books he wrote and doing commentary on it... I don't understand. He was a shit writer and just such a flat person in general. I just don't see how someone could view him as a superior or leader, someone who could guide.

[@msaijay1153]

​@@bethanymock4581was it Paul reading the one foot in the grave book? I feel like that gave so much insight on Chad and his messed up brain.

[@Catherine-qs5pb]

Facts‼️

[@allisonwickel9527]

Nate, please stop apologizing for running long. We want you to run long, we want you to keep reporting. I am disappointed when you sign off. Your insights are amazing and I want more!!!

[@kimberlyrogers0804]

Agreed!

[@DawninFlorida]

Same here , likes when Nate Runs Long with his reporting and family life and congratulations to Elliot!

[@r1133rocco]

❤ Nate’s courtroom insider

[@PawsandLaws]

I concur

[@ginnieplato2871]

Agreed, but I gotta say: NATE!! Please don’t miss important family events for us!!! Couldn’t one of your colleagues that covered while you were away fill in? It sounded like one of them (Caitlin?) may have been covering the Utah case, but still….

[@NancyLake-l7v]

Mr. Pryor has done an admirable job considering what he had to work with and all by himself. Researching thousands of pages of evidence entirely by himself is a huge feat. Chad got better than he deserves.

[@runningfox9750]

And he's not gonna have crap left to leave for his kids. Nothing. (Who would want that property anyway, where two dead children lay for nine months? Emma had no problem moving right on in!!! Same day the police released the place-- sick!!)

[@unfabulouslifeofkim7836]

​@@runningfox9750Pryor owns the property now. Chad signed it over to him a couple of years ago as payment .

[@clare2401]

I think so too. He's gone in there as a one man band. I was annoyed when Chad's trial got pushed to this year, for my own selfish reasons, but I completely get why. The work he's done, for let's face it, an absolutely lost cause, can only be admired

[@alison2649]

Unfortunately ya you might be right. All Pryor has to do is create just one juror to doubt the level of participation Chad had in all of this. And he’s sort of doing a good job. Ugh

[@danidan9917]

​@@runningfox9750not to mention where her momma died!

[@TraceD007]

His inappropriate and creepy laugh makes my skin crawl. 😬

[@alison2649]

She’s SUCH a fool

[@jeanettecoleman-mz7ie]

Mad & full of menace!

[@mynameiseve.1]

If it werent so cringy it would actually be hilarious! Imagine being Lori and sitting in jail and asking her husband all the time, when am i getting out and he is just laughing and not giving answer. Only saying "the only thing i can say is that its 100% true". Id want to smack him for that. Bet he isnt giggling anymore when he gets arrested. Disgusting excuses for humans!!

[@mjegan72]

Everything about him is so ick.

[@sarahhunter1114]

Ya, talk about getting the ick!

[@420girl4life]

Nate, your advice about trying to ignore the awkward giggling was gold. This is my second time listening to it too but now I HEAR what he is doing. He told her that Alex told him to tell her this is just a part of the plan that gets them to the end times where they are the leaders of the one hundred forty four thousand. He’s chuckling because he knows he’s lying and it works to string her along as if everything is very relaxed. The REASON is to save his own skin. If she continues to believe in him, he gets to have this ongoing fantasy with her as his captive, worshipping damsel AND she won’t start squawking to the cops. He had to have been terrified about what this unhinged woman could reveal about him. He’s filling the silence with his giggles to placate her while he spins one lie after another.

[@suzanneortega3293]

Agreed

[@runningfox9750]

He had to keep the fantasy alive in Lori's mind because he feared if she were ever to snap out of it and realize she'd helped to murder five people and yes I count Alex too ... Then she might cooperate with the police and Chad would get the crap end of the legal stick. I personally doubt her mental state will ever allow her to snap out of it. She would never be strong enough to face what she's done I don't think.

[@smorgan298]

​@@runningfox9750 agree 100%

[@lindseyhendrix2405]

Wow! Incredibly well said AND I love your username 😂🤙🏽

[@jamaicacornish8931]

I agree . I caught a lot more

[@maryjarrell5824]

I feel sorry for the Detective that HAD to listen to that crap!

[@melanie3500]

I came to say the same thing! So cringe worthy!

[@SusanaLandry]

Lori's voice was acting like everything was fine and dandy...

[@yawninggap2328]

Totally! that creepy nervous laugh and nonsense that comes out of his mouth

[@Rg-hc6or]

SO sorry for him! 🤢

[@NunyaBeeswax-ck8ox]

I love how lori’s calling chad out “u didn’t tell me I’d be the one in jail! Wtf? Did u intentionally lie to me?” Chad: um, no, I didn’t lie, it’s just a minor glitch in this glorious perfect plan, it’ll be ok, you’ll get out of jail soon. Even your deceased brother said so. I have confirmation, I can see the future. Don’t doubt the all mighty chad! Lori: I don’t know. This seems f’d up. U should’ve come up with a much better plan

[@abbyarroyo6748]

Yes 😂

[@heatherdewey3693]

Brilliant recap!

[@ShelleySorenson]

Good reading between the lines.

[@bonnie_gail]

exactly right !

[@jennydiver100]

I think Alex got a motel so he could shower there being afraid they would find Tammy's DNA at his apartment.

[@keep.it.moving77]

My thoughts exactly.

[@karenmerritt3170]

Great point.

[@gbuckwheat5722]

Maybe had some evidence to discard too, like a pillow!

[@emmrivera8857]

But they would know whether or not he had a room. This would be evidence.

[@angellawyer]

Why a motel if Emma is so near by?

[@DebC7777]

I can’t see the overwhelming soulmate vibe from these too. Chad seems awkward and trying too hard to keep some kind of conversation going. Lori sounds like she is tip toeing around verbalizing that she didn’t get what she signed up for. They’re both screwed in the end. And many innocent lives have been lost or changed forever for the worse.

[@kellyj3544]

That’s exactly how I took it.loris pissed she’s in jail and it’s not going how it should or how Chads “visions “ said and he’s just trying to laugh it off like oops sorry honey but you are hot still my goddess 🙄😂

[@paulinegrant4156]

Completely agree. The Chudster sounds bored and struggles to find anything to say then giggles inanely to fill up space. I'll bet good money that he thinks he's got away with it and is making plans to move on without her.

[@valeriehupp9415]

Didn't anyone think it was strange & telling when Lori started talking about digging in a backyard and saying that you never know what you're gonna find-when she was talking about the pool show? If I was the cop listening to that it would definitely peak my interest.

[@itsjustlaurel1531]

Right? Was that a threat?

[@LoriEvans-dp7kg]

The police searched the yard & found the kids the next day…is this *why the police moved into the backyard?

[@htx-hammer]

I thought the same thing when I heard her say that.

[@lindseyhendrix2405]

Yeah, it first struck me as weird when she claimed she had been watching “extreme pools” in prison! And keep in mind, they thought they still had another month until the end of times Chad predicted in July. Which I think leads back to her talking of digging, it taking a few months to finish, different blueprints and soil, etc. Just weird all the way around.

[@awesomebeautiful8782]

Pique

[@lancemannion4525]

My 2 cents… I believe that by Chad’s saying that he can text Alex, he’s insinuating that he can communicate with him through the veil. Lori’s saying that she can’t text anyone and that she needs to tell Chad to text for her, implies that only he can reach people beyond the veil.

[@ShelleySorenson]

Except, in Lori's trial, it was apparent that she believed she talked with Tammy and Tylee in the spirit world. Lori said she could see beyond the veil and talk to people who had died. (I can't remember her exact words) so people on here are saying that Chad said he had to text Alex. So apparently, Lori can't talk to Alex in the spirit world because she has no phone in jail to text him. But she could talk to others in the spirit world, because they can be reached without texting. Alex's spirit can only be reached by texting. And Lori has no phone in jail. Anyway, it sounds like that is how they were thinking. It doesn't make much sense to anyone. But if these two knew how to make sense of anything, Lori would not be in jail, accused of being a serial killer. Chad would not be in court, accused of being a serial killer.

[@wolfkin_uk]

@@ShelleySorenson It might simply be that in the intervening years while she was rotting in jail, Lori decided that she had some powers, too....

[@sharlaharris8120]

I think Chad picked Alex up so the neighbors wouldn’t see a strange vehicle at Chad’s house late that night, remember that his daughter and son in law live across the street.

[@NancyLake-l7v]

Good theory.

[@icequeen6512]

If they truly believed in " their cause" or their 'mission' whatever it was they were supposedly trying to accomplish, then why all the smoke and mirrors? Why all the speaking in code etc Usually ppl who have a strong sense of belief in their convictions are not afraid to stand by them. They are not afraid to voice them. For me it proves that they knew exactly what they were doing was wrong and it was down to being evil. I call BS on all of this ' I believe I'm working for God" baloney. They are nothing more than simple, evil liars..

[@alison2649]

Nailed it

[@jeannemarie5908]

I thought this today also

[@blackpoppymagazine]

That's a really interesting theory

[@offhome6484]

Nate has to be one of the nicest reporters ever, such a nice man with a calm manner.

[@HKavarana]

Chad knows he's making it all up. What idiots.

[@dianealarcon8304]

His leadership position went to his head. Unbelievable that so many drank his kool-aid 🙄 ⚖️🪦🪦🪦🙏🏻☮️

[@terryarmstrong8598]

He wings it when he talks to Lori in the jail call.

[@guadalupelazar2384]

PLEASE I HOPE THE JURY GET THIS RIGHT THIS MAN IS EVIL HE WILL DO IT AGAIN TO SOMEONE HE NEED TO BE STOP NOW!

[@1234cheerful]

@@terryarmstrong8598 🎯

[@LittleOrla]

​@@tresaten476 good observation

[@Cdghda]

How can she stand having a conversation with him. He sounds bored and stupid.

[@alison2649]

And lethargic

[@amberchase7959]

Because Chad is bored and stupid

[@Colacat2692]

I think they stroaked each others ego. They both got something out of it. Her believing everything he told her and she loved beeing adored by him- telling her how important she has been through their multiple lives together.

[@evehalliday9928]

She's stupid, too.

[@TRuru.]

The constant giggles! He’s such a creepy weirdo.

[@itsjustlaurel1531]

I thought he was older than Jr. High-school.

[@utezahn3174]

They are both creepy. She is ice cold.

[@lizintexas1134]

Giggles when he can’t give her an answer. Ain’t nothing to giggle about while your beloved sits in jail. Also those long pauses where chad’s brain just can’t make it up on the spot.

[@NimLeeGuy]

Deceiver's delight. She's like a child.

[@NimLeeGuy]

She's not his beloved. He only cares about control.

[@SavingOurRepublic]

In my opinion, Chad knew he was a fraud but Lori believes every word and still does. Lori never threw Chad under the bus but he threw her under the bus real fast.

[@alison2649]

The jokes on her eh? Big time

[@joannemurdock7899]

Well said, and listening to this conversation hes still conning her😮 hes such a fraud, 😮 and why is this sicko guy laughing and giggleing at her is he still enjoying THE fact he can still.. convince her of ANYTHING and EVERYTHING 😮? UNBELIEVABLE

[@AliciaL98]

I think that was his plan all along. It sounds almost as if Chad is disengaged and was going to move on soon.

[@patriciajones915]

They both believe they will be together in their next life

[@katyrye]

Charles was so much more interesting and handsome. What a trade down... Lordy

[@crystal25288]

Definitely a downgrade 😂

[@TheToniaczek]

But Lori needed someone who sees her as godest not as not perfect human being

[@alison2649]

AND well-off. He could actually provide for her. Chad never provided for anyone ever. His wife was the primary bread winner

[@dsmusicbird]

@@TheToniaczek Definitely living in an alternate reality. Some strange realm of fantasy and total nonsense. They feed each others narcissistic ‘needs.” Being highly irresponsible, immature, extremely bizarre ego, insecurities and more. 🤮 One would’ve ended up killing the other had this gone on longer. Just beyond stupid and pure evil!

[@blackwidor]

Charles was hardworking and loyal and tried to get her help for her mental illness. He was a great husband who she didn't care an iota about. I'm so glad he changed his life insurance. Any of us normal women would he thrilled with a husband like that . Not lori.

[@MissJensk1]

Lori: "We didn't know when they dug in the back yard, that they were going to find, whatever". Remember this is BEFORE the bodies are found. Proof that she knew.

[@davidrenton]

Prosecution : if an Aircraft has no engines and no wings can it fly Prior : Objection, Speculation

[@dianahernandez1709]

Right?!

[@daisyunderwood1002]

😂

[@jaimebell7971]

So funny!!! 😂

[@jackiejohnson7158]

😂

[@runningfox9750]

Lay some foundation pls. In your experience and training will the aircraft fly? No objections.

[@kodidrollinger4768]

She said “down paymentS”. Sssssss. Multiple. Bodies. Lives. They sacrificed multiple people.

[@kodidrollinger4768]

I feel like this call didn’t come through as clear at her trial. If the jury didn’t think he was guilty by now, they definitely do.

[@mraereed]

Bet if Chad was the one in the jail he wouldn't be giggling quite as often!

[@susanromani1149]

I thought he was locked up already. Not sure why I was thinking that!

[@koolhandlukemakemyday8812]

He makes me wanna 🤮

[@jaimebell7971]

​@@susanromani1149 He is in jail, they are talking about when that phone call took place. Was while Lori was in Jail and Chad was out.

[@mraereed]

He is locked up already but he wasn't when he was on those recordings with Lori. Only she had been arrested at that point. ​@@susanromani1149

[@janetpoirier8237]

That’s why Lori was so mad. He missed twice!

[@Stigmasterol]

Wow the last part of that call was very revealing. Chad sounded so unconvincing, like he was tired of all the lies but was just doing it for her-but Lori still ate it all up.

[@misskelly9821]

Definitely…Chad knew they were doomed regardless how he kept trying to reassure her everything was going to work out..and if it doesn’t? Blame Alex..he kept texting Chad saying everything was working as planned…smh

[@SnailWhales]

He couldn’t bare to let her know he was a fraud and lose the energy supply she gave him. He jumps right into his monotone Mormon blessing speak to placate and brainwash her back into submission. 😅

[@amysmiles9751]

Yes, he sounds like, oh crap I have to keep this up.

[@brittneysnyder6613]

The phone call is giving me second hand embarrassment. The long awkward pauses. The weird uncomfortable giggling. The code words. Lori sounding absolutely off her rocker while Chad texts her dead brother. This is what happens when someone with extreme beliefs meets someone mentally unwell.

[@pensive_peggy]

You are one of the best, fair, honest reporters. Not to mention you show up without fail. Kudos, Nate! We appreciate you so much.

[@teresajordan6767]

Nate! I love how much you celebrate your family! Thank you for taking time away from your life to do this!

[@Xpose00722]

Nate I sure hope you get a promotion!Your coverage is amazing!! You are trusted, ethical and an awesome reporter! Thank you!

[@pensive_peggy]

I concur!!!

[@juliec1618]

THE BEST 😊

[@Maryaliece-o3x]

Yep....he needs to come back to VA! LOL!

[@southerndelight54]

I don't know what I'd do without Nate, I'm so used to watching him. ❤

[@keep.it.moving77]

I’m pretty sure he started East Idaho News? So he IS the boss. Would love to see Dateline hire him, though!

[@marshawohltman8580]

Does sound like Lori isnt fully believing in chads powers now. She is sitting in jail all by herself.

[@Redshift313]

Chad sounds drugged lethargic dare I say a Zombie 😂

[@lindalarson5468]

Nate: I would ABSOLUTELY love a town hall event where you interview a bunch of people involved in this trial. I think it would be a sensation!!! I think you should do a documentary about your coverage of these trials. It would be soooo fascinating.

[@heatherdewey3693]

Fantastic idea! I'd buy a ticket to that event.

[@karenlevendoski6372]

The prosecution is doing an awesome job

[@juliewick]

Yes I would absolutely watch the LIVE stream with the prosecutors, detectives, forensic experts, medical examiner, anthropologist, etc. That would be incredible!! Thank you for all you do, Nate and for the many sacrifices you are making in your personal life to cover this horrific case. ❤

[@Pixie2589]

Please Remember Charles too- not just JJ, Tylee, and Tammy.

[@Eyes.WideOpen]

I dont think anyone has forgotten about Charles. It's just that this trial is about Tammy, Tylee and JJ. The trial for Charles is soon, and Maybe all the victims won't be listed in every comment then either. Mayne some will just say Charles, but that won't mean Tammy, Tylee and JJ aren't thought of

[@sittingonariver]

And Joe Ryan

[@VirgoLove1972]

Just remembering them because that's what this trial is about. Charles trial is next!!

[@elan007]

And Lori's sister???

[@jeanP924]

​Absolutely, Joseph deserves justice. His story with Lori was exhausting to hear about the bitter custody battle over Tylee Ryan but What was Colby's name before she met Joe Ryan? Why doesn't he have his biological fathers last name Is that what was on the birth certificate or was he left off and never paid child support? That is one thing about his last name I've always been curious there's any legal documents showing he aquired that name through the courts. I've always been curious why Lori would want her son to have the last name of the man she accused of assaulting him in the worst way possible. As we know now the courts proved both kids were coached what to say and if there really was sexual abuse going on it was not from Joe. jmo​@@sittingonariver

[@shelleyvester2912]

Your notebook should say 144,000 questions I need to ask prosecution

[@bonnie_gail]

lol

[@Beach92673]

Listening to these two repulses me in the sense that they are both sheer evil. I keep thinking of the innocent beautiful children and that is the biggest loss of all. Their dumb nervous laughs and all their cryptic messages to one another is despicable.

[@andreacg774]

Yes! And I hate how Melanie Gibb and Melanie Polowski KNEW and were never stood up and said anything! 😡

[@Jeanniebeannie2]

I can not for the life of me understand how Lori believed that he was texting alex in the spirit world. Those giggles from Chad were astonishment that Lori believed him.

[@dsmusicbird]

Especially all the religious phony stuff to result in ending lives especially that of her children’s! It is beyond comprehension!

[@samporter2146]

This is NOT the conversation of an innocent man impatient for his goddess to release the children's live whereabouts, where is the demands for her to let authorities know so that they can be together?

[@1234cheerful]

True! He doesn't need to ask, he knows exactly where those children are.

[@JoobieLoobieSoobie]

People: Please don't ask her when she knew Lori was guilty. The only answer she can give is "after all the evidence was deliberated" unless you want to give the defense grounds for mistrial...

[@runningfox9750]

Nate will be the one actually asking the former juror the questions. Therefore certainly no dumb or dangerous questions will be asked. Think.

[@Maisiewuppp]

You have obviously never done jury duty.

[@JoobieLoobieSoobie]

@@Maisiewuppp I have done jury duty and I have been a foreman. This is why I know she should not answer a question like that in public. She has an answer, of course. That doesn't mean she should say it out loud.

[@JoobieLoobieSoobie]

@@runningfox9750 Yes, but we all know about a thousand people will request that. Maisie up there, for example.

[@Elizabethjewel]

It's her opinion of facts that are in evidence and her opinion. She's not a witness so it can't cause a mistrial.

[@anitaredford6687]

That is finally settled. Dylan Rounds never deserved murder. I hope the family can feel a little peace and justice in their lives. Such a great loss.

[@Soffity]

Does anyone know why he killed Dylan? Dylan seemed a pleasant hard working man who just wanted to make a success of his farm.

[@deadmanswife3625]

​@@Soffitywas it before they dug up the property and bury the children? Maybe it was Preparatory work to eliminate a potential Witness I don't know much about it yet Perhaps it will come out as more people question it

[@dsmusicbird]

@@Soffity I want to know why too!

[@1234cheerful]

@Soffity from local news he parked his truck in a shed where Brenner didn't think he should have parked it.

[@bzldg]

The 5 problems. Charles, Tammy, JJ, Tylee and Brandon.

[@lynnebutler1827]

Nate, do contractors often tell their clients to tell his wife “he’s missing you” 😂😂😂😂😂

[@patferguson9377]

You think it could be David Warwick? And who is the 3% is it Mel that snitched on them

[@amysmiles9751]

​@@patferguson9377Chad had told her there was only a 3% chance their plan wouldn't work out and they could be together after Tammy dies. Then Lori got arrested and Lori's thinking well things 100% chance I'm not with you now, wtf. I think "he" at the end is he acts like he has a direct line to God and he's seen the furture. Maybe I'm naive but I don't think Mel and David ever thought they would kill the kids but they started to feel sus about all the secrets.

[@gridspir]

The 3% person that Lori wanted to know if Alex was dealing with was I believe Kaye, JJ's grandmother who is the one who got the police to look for JJ after she hadn't spoken to him for too long. Also, Charles had changed his life insurance policy beneficiary to Kaye instead of Lori. So Lori was very upset with her.

[@tuxxlexx]

To hear them giggle during the call is sickening! For real 🤬

[@PellyjellyMom]

Well done Elliot!!!!!! WooHoo! When you are a man you will see your Dad in his videos standing up for Justice for Children not much older than you. We are proud of you for helping your Daddy and Mommy ! 🎉🥳

[@lindseyhendrix2405]

Amen to this! Big whoo hoo’s for you all the way from Texas:)

[@clare2401]

Chad and Lori sound so uncomfortable within that conversation. They sound like work colleagues rather than husband and wife. I think its clear their relationship was hollow, and their only commonality was the religion. Its so sad that everyone had to die just for that. Let's be honest. If none of this had happened, if the kids and Tammy were still alive, do they HONESTLY think they'd still be together? The whole thing was built on sand

[@human-sn7lk]

Totally agree. Even if they were speaking in code, so boring. Starts and stops and giggles and Chad struggling to sound coherent.

[@charkit2ya]

I am so glad that Tammy didn’t know it was a real gun.

[@labaccio]

They should not let him write any more words, not in text, not in paper, no writing at all. His words are dangerous.

[@monicascott2354]

Believing it is the bigger issue.

[@SirSmorbie]

and dumb

[@loripalmus1977]

Chad & Lori talk like they don't have a care in the world.

[@kellyewers5692]

They don’t, they think what they have done is for God.

[@TheMrRatzz]

​@@kellyewers5692 I really don't think they believe this portal / dark / zombie stuff. It is just a backstory to wanting the children out of their lives.

[@misskelly9821]

Remember the night of the ‘paintball’ gun incident, there were lots of texts and calls going on after between Chad, Alex, Lori and Zulema..remember the gun didn’t fire..and Zulema in her testimony recalled Lori getting a call from someone and that she was extremely angry and exclaiming that “idiot”..can’t do anything by himself!

[@Aussietari]

After A.G. Investigator Nicholas Edwards gave his Evidence &. Testimony, &. Dear Larry Woodcock stood up &. Tapped a Thank You on Edwards Arm, as he was leaving the Courtroom, was a Lovely moment to see.😊

[@mycatsnameiskaren8253]

Detective Ray Hermacillo is a BOSS!!!! Love that guy!!! ❤ from Pensacola

[@onika700]

They all went over the "blueprints". Chad reassured them they would work. Alex was the contractor to carry out the blueprints. Now that he's gone, Lori is wondering if the blueprints are going forward or have changed. Lori said she would be in charge if she were not in jail. "Since I'm here and I can't be in charge of the project."

[@NancyDrew1]

Who else was dark and without Alex the plan has changed.

[@onika700]

@@NancyDrew1 Chad says the plan is still going forward, according to Alex (Ray) whose spirit he talks to.

[@bluhuny]

Chads blueprints, Alex the contractor and Lori the supervisor.

[@alison2649]

Good catch

[@diamonminer1803]

Congratulations Elliott Eaton! The first of many exciting graduations to come in your life.

[@jennydiver100]

It was a BIG day. Let's hope the jury got it.

[@KayDSavage-dy6of]

I think his fate was decided a while ago. the rest of this trial is just a formality. he should get the chair imo.

[@dianealarcon8304]

So far, I don’t think the jury will be swayed by upcoming Defense witnesses. We’ll see what they have to say next week.

[@jeanniechilds7141]

Chad seems so shallow he can’t even carry a conversation except for a few words here and there. I don’t know how he held all those people captive in his conferences 😂😂😂😂

[@SirSmorbie]

I doubt he did. There were only a handful of people in this "church" of the first born. They seem to mostly be Lori's friends

[@susanr5967]

I think the gigging is partly due to these two thinking they’re fooling people by talking their “code” talk since they know they’re being listened to. I go back and forth wondering if Chad actually believes his crock of sh--. So some of his giggling might be due to him getting such a kick out of how Lori just eats up his crazy crap. It’s all so unbelievably evil, there are no words.

[@iloveamerica53]

💯Exactly!!!

[@bluemoonofky8468]

He was writing his books about his "fantasies" so I think he half believed what he wrote and half was sure of himself that others believed him and wanted everyone to BELIEVE IN HIM! He's just delusional!! IMO

[@runningfox9750]

He knows it's all lies. A tonnnnnn of background info on this entire situation can be heard in hidden true crime KZbin channel then the podcast also on KZbin that's called JJ and Tylee silver linings podcast. It's so much info beginning back when this case first started. I know Chad knows it's all lies because he took his "near death experiences" from other people's books and podcasts.....he had never ever told a single friend or family member that either of his two accidents had caused him any visions or near death experience or anything. Until many years later he's suddenly making those claims in books....... books he wrote by stealing and plagiarizing pieces and parts of Julie Rowe and five or six others books once he saw them selling big, talking at conferences and making big money in the 2010s.... Before that he was just a plain vanilla nobody who held positions in the church and had Tammy be the main breadwinner for the family. As his false books and talks became popular he began telling bigger and bigger whoppers about things like dark and light spirits, portals making people travel through space and time. As well as all the reincarnation talk. This was also information he stole from other radical ex Mormon "teachings" that Lori's uncle rex said he remembers being something that went around in the early 90s, among young adult Mormons. It's fringe teachings the church does not stand behind so ppl did it in secret circles and clubs, like they were the special ppl who knew What was REALLY GOING ON ....uncle rex said he looked into it way back when he saw that junk and learned it was just fringe junk that seemed to go around every generation or so and most people dismissed it all as trash. Anyway chad was using all the above to lure in these women and occasionally a few men who seemed to be the type who Needed to feel special and as if they Knew things regular church folks didn't. Chad used it on other women before Lori just none of them seemed to become full fledged physical affairz....tho a few ppl believe it became an affair with Julie Rowe. Pls see Hidden true crime channel and the JJ and Tylee silver linings podcast here on KZbin. Both channels have a Wealth of information regarding every aspect of the Chad and Lori situation. Loads of interviews with key people and sooo much background info into Lori's life chads life and everything surrounding this case. Hidden true crime channel and the JJ and Tylee silver linings podcast. You'll learn so much.

[@shaunaseamans6941]

NATE!!! That is EXACTLY what truly matters - graduations of our little ones, all the benchmarks they make. Thank you for sharing 'happy moment' with us. Congratulations Elliot!!! :)

[@latteda4652]

Chad should just give it up and make an agreement! He doesn’t stand a chance

[@peachesinthecity4099]

Selfish for one. Instead of leaving the property for his children, he used it to pay for an impossible defense. Dragged his and Tammy's family through all this media coverage of 2 trials. If he so "exalted" why is he afraid to die?

[@loveforeignaccents]

A plea agreement hasn't been offered, and he would never admit what he did. His children think he is innocent.

[@monette7819]

💯💯💯💯

[@kimberlynance2711]

A sociopath will never give it up.

[@kimberlynance2711]

@@loveforeignaccentsabsolutely his kids, brainwashed by Chad, stand 100% by their father.

[@DarkBayTB]

We’re here on Nateline!

[@GiniRisinger]

If my kids were missing the first question out of my mouth would be "Have they found my kids yet? Are there any leads?" Not about their projects, blueprints, texting her dead brother, pool shows etc

[@misskelly9821]

One idiots in jail and the other idiot is trying to stay out of jail and yet they talk about blueprints for some present and/or future project and texting a dead man..a pool? In Idaho? Sounds like the “pool” is code for something nefarious.

[@monicascott2354]

They weren't missing, and she knew that, so she wasn't asking.

[@GiniRisinger]

@@monicascott2354 I know that. I meant if she was trying to hide it better

[@SirSmorbie]

@@misskelly9821 ya think?

[@NunyaBeeswax-ck8ox]

Did anyone else notice chad mention his deceased neighbor who chad may be the reason he’s deceased?

[@gaynorwells9592]

Chad has the personality of a rock.

[@HKavarana]

Or maybe a potato 🥔

[@lauries.nicewaner3876]

He's as sexy as the Pillsbury Doughboy

[@juliepowell6656]

Or a gnat!!?

[@LadyOaksNZ]

Or a sloth..

[@dsmusicbird]

😂

[@calmkitty2]

The comment Lori made about digging up the backyard was HUGE. Told cops where to find the kids.

[@sharonkriskovich5911]

I love Ray hermosillo he has been amazing he has been so fierce in all of this and got so emotionaly involved when he would talk about how these children were found he was 💔 my heart breaks for him himself and all the rest of these guys will never unsee this horror I wish them all well

[@ackhak]

I think during the time when Alex’s phone had no data points (the night Tammy died) that Alex had turned his phone off. Then, as he’s driving away, he turned it back on

[@paulalarson914]

Elliot Congratulations! Such a proud dad! ❤️❤️🎉🎉

[@animallover6645]

Been crying all day today as my grandmother just died and I am thinking that some people are so lucky to live a long time, poor these four whose lives we taken to sort.

[@polarbearsaysyummy5845]

May your Grandmother R.I.P.

[@ChubbyUnicorn]

Chad & Lori are bonkers delusional and the denial is unbelievable! Like kindergardners discussing Santa. Some heard he's real, some heard he's not. They all know he's probably not real, but hang onto the fantasy and are bummed things aren't as magical as promised.

[@monicascott2354]

Sounds like religion, too. Beliefs can be dangerous.

[@lindseyhendrix2405]

This is a PERFECT analogy! “You text him because I can’t. And you promised I would get ____ for Christmas, but I didn’t! It’s complicated!”

[@NunyaBeeswax-ck8ox]

I texted a live contractor is code for I contacted your deceased brother in his after life & he said for u to believe everything I tell you, no matter how ridiculous

[@mamacitabrady2856]

I couldn’t stand to listen to those calls. That poor officer that had to listen to their rediculous giggles.

[@Mystical_Ketchup]

Imagine that 12 times a day for idk how many weeks

[@bia.miller]

@@Mystical_KetchupI would have lost my senses. The incessant stupid giggling and wretched lies. Argh! Absolutely vomit inducing! 🤢🤢🤢

[@kodidrollinger4768]

The equivalent of Chad pretend working on his computer is like scrolling through the weather app cause no one will talk to u at the party.

[@heatherdewey3693]

😂truth

[@kimberlymeans7151]

I truly believe that Lori and Alex really believed it…. Lori needed to be special and Alex was just not smart. I believe Chad really wanted it to be true and he even tried to convince himself. He needed to be special too, and he really needed to justify his affair with Lori….. I think the prosecution has been right from the beginning. It’s about sex and power….

[@Amethyst_Annie]

I love the longer episodes! Please don’t apologize. So many of us are invested in this case and you have guided us through. Take all the time and keep us informed 😊

[@catherinehargrave9539]

Nate Im really hoping you write a book on this case.

[@polarbearsaysyummy5845]

Agreed. He's the definitive expert on this case.

[@JamieSullivan-f1u]

I hope that phone call infuriated the jury as much as it did me. That would have done it for me if I were on the jury.

[@AnneMoshtael]

Yes! The most important thing happening today is Elliott Eaton graduating! Congratulations, Elliott! I love what one person commented here: your Daddy and Mommy are working for justice for children. You are such a lucky boy and I hope you enjoy your summer with your family! 🧑‍🎓♥️💐🌹🙏🏼🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

[@brittiliciousxo852]

Thanks for your great work. Watching every morning in Buckinghamshire UK

[@MissCleba]

Thank you, Nate! I will miss this daily update when it’s over! You have been a light in the darkness!

[@sprucetip1495]

Can’t listen all day so I love these wraps ups!

[@prairiefirestitcher]

Best scoop ever. Congrats to Elliott

[@macb8309]

Poetic irony that Lori is watching “Off the Deep End” in prison.

[@missInsane3]

Thanks again Nate for your wonderful and comprehensive coverage. I have been following since you were around Hawaii. I’m glad the Jury got to see how manipulative Chad was in the jail call to Lori. It really showed his true colours. Sending ❤️ once again from Western Australia

[@Brucebod]

Chad reminds me of a stalker, in the way that he both knows and doesn't know the truth of his own fantasies.

[@amazinlynn3358]

From what I gathered listening to this call: The down payments were Tylee, JJ and Tammy. The project? Building a property over where Tylee and JJ were buried. That way they could NEVER be found and they could get away with it. They both knew if they were both caught..they're D-O-N.E.

[@atticus-iz7iw]

Thank you. This makes sense. I am terrible at figuring out riddles.

[@amazinlynn3358]

@@atticus-iz7iw it really makes more sense if you followed the case for so long. David Warwick said Chad was being SO pushy trying to get him to build property. They wanted it done ASAP so they wouldn't get caught! Its unbelievable how they were thrown away like trash!

[@cindyshirreffs2099]

Can't build over a pond though

[@amazinlynn3358]

@@cindyshirreffs2099 that was probably the bonus Lori wanted 🤣

[@atticus-iz7iw]

@@amazinlynn3358 you are so kind to explain! I have followed since the end of 2019, and I STILL have trouble making sense of some things, lol.

[@sandieyule1644]

So proud of sweet Eliot. You are so right your son graduating is very important!!!!!! Blessings to your family for sharing you with all of us! Great job tonight Nate! Thank you for all you do. Hope you get some rest

[@starllite5706]

The giggles are sick.! Chad and Lori both are sick!

[@angelihuie438]

both are talking cryptically and they understand each other, means they were both involved in this mess.

[@Nicki704]

Class act Elliot…way to go . We are so proud of you!

[@mrsrichter8586]

Listening to that phone call reminds me of a wicked game of trust and distrust - like their lives depend on not ratting on each other - but they both know what evil each is capable of and they're at the same time hesitantly speaking to try measure up each other's weakness and strength to stick to the 'blueprint' - like "can I trust you? what happened to the plan? If i go down are you going down with me or are you gonna make me take the fall alone?" If you can lie you can steal (and they're both thieves of a whole lot of money AND THERE IS NO HONOR AMONG THIEVES!!!!) and if you can steal you can kill . . . . With the coward Chad, his freedom lay in Lori's level of stupid, blind belief of his fantasies and her own demented self serving beliefs - his nervous giggles show how scared he was of her opening her eyes to his bull twaddle. She, on the other hand, is as dumb as a tick on a turd! It's like listening to two manipulators trying to fool each other whilst playing Russian roulette.

[@murielfinster3758]

This is the best interpretation of the "bull twaddle" (😂) I've seen. 🏆

[@lindabaldwin9596]

Awe precious Elliot! Congratulations to your precious boy. Thanks for sharing Nate!

[@thomasrandall7702]

Nate, I did notice Chad chuckles in these calls, But in the call where he calls Lori after there digging the kids up, I don't hear no laughing at all. And they are both scared of what they might find. Just an observation.

[@maryjarrell5824]

Her 5 problems, are the 5 that is dead!

[@SavingOurRepublic]

Yes!

[@DOUG5695]

Yes, Charles Vallo, Tyle Ryan, J.J. Valley, Tammy Daybell, and Alex Cox.

[@simonejuneau2143]

I really hope you are "including Joseph Ryan," & excluding AC?

[@TheQueenofConstantia]

Yes!!!! I noticed that too! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@kabbystevens5167]

I think #5 was Brandon, not Alec

[@josiesage7200]

Dear Elliot, Well done from Stoke on Trent, England! A beautiful family and your Daddy is an excellent journalist who is keeping us all up to date on this shocking case. The Eaton family is just the tonic we need!

[@natalieaguirre8576]

They are ridiculous, full stop.

[@marshawohltman8580]

They think that they are talking in code and all of us are too stupid to figure out what they are saying. They are laughing because we can understand their code but we mostly can. The way they talk is like two people who really don’t know each other are trying to have a conversation. You know that awkward time when you are first dating.

[@teambooth3612]

In regard to the phone call, I think she's telling Chad to hurry and build the mobile or moduler home on his property over the graves of her poor children. All in code or so they think.

[@bluemoonofky8468]

I believe that's what she was talking about too!

[@wolfmoon2010]

Exactly what this was about

[@nadi849]

yes. hope everyone understand it... And sounds like Chad wasn't realy getting it or doing much about it

[@camella419]

The way they talk to each other is kinda like when you were in grade school and the new kid (Chad) shows up and starts telling stories about how much money they have and their giant mansion and their "celebratory" dad or uncle... And all the other kids (Lori) wants so bad to to believe him so she just eats it up and he is so desperate to look cool and keep friends that he has to keep the going forever lol

[@KristiLEvans1]

Yep. In a nutshell. The whole thing is tragic.