Coyote Ugly

[@scottnotpilgrim]

Choosing a toxic landfill over the Coyotes says everything

[@bw-leftturnracing7779]

So they chose the Coyotes over the Coyotes. Noted.

[@chiefkeef74]

There's a difference?

[@djtrankilo231]

Makes me wonder if the Coyotes' owners would meet up with the Suns' owners to bid for this together would change everyone's minds? Unless the Suns don't want to share an arena with the Yotes or feel that they don't need a new arena.

[@lanevalhalla9344]

@@djtrankilo231 that venue is bad for hockey even more so now after recent renovations

[@djtrankilo231]

@@lanevalhalla9344 I meant in Tempe.

[@Viperion101]

Fun fact: The Tucson Roadrunners, the Coyotes’s AHL affiliate, play at a 6,000 seat arena, larger than the Coyotes’s arena

[@FelipeYoshioCordeirodeSouza]

Don't give them ideas, they might put the main team there

[@sampicano]

Fun fact the Quebec Remparts (QMJHL) average more people per game than the Arizona Coyotes (NHL) AND Tucson Roadrunners (AHL) combined.

[@seanshanleyAnimeUWLPer]

@@sampicano Same with the (OHL) London knights at 9,000 XP

[@sampicano]

@@seanshanleyAnimeUWLPer what about HAlifax???? LMAO This game sucks. MOVE THE COYOTES

[@Canada-has-its-boi05]

@@sampicanoThe Yotes are now set on a move to Salt Lake City.

[@maxe5023]

Choosing a landfill over the coyotes is like choosing the coyotes over a landfill

[@boxscorestuffer6217]

Well said

[@jay.b.26]

This is THE comment

[@MTN6516]

Correct

[@father042]

That awkward moment when Coyotes won more series in 20 years than Toronto

[@superfan3614]

rather get knocked out the first round every year than have one good playoff run a decade ago loll

[@willflint5014]

@@superfan3614they made it to the conference finals.

[@grahamdamberger7130]

@@willflint5014 And then did nothing in the decade plus since then. At least Toronto has had regular season success lately despite only making it out of the first round of the playoffs once since 2004. The only times the Arizona Coyotes have been in the news since 2012 was following the name change from Phoenix to Arizona, John Chayka's decision to fitness test prospects outside of the time frames allowed by the NHL, the whole Mitchell Miller scandal, Meurello's casinos losing money because of the pandemic and the restrictions that were in place for about 2 years, maybe longer, and now the failed Tempe project which leaves them in a state of flux. And those were just some of the major headlines.

[@mikeyRoxx981]

Looks like someone took your comment personally

[@superfan3614]

@@willflint5014 and what have they accomplished since then 💀

[@ST0NE_206]

how Gary Bettman managed to keep the Coyotes alive for this long shocks me

[@kaminsod4077]

How Gary Bettman still has his job is beyond me. If a John Spano situation ever happened in the NFL, NBA, or MLB the commissioner would be drop kicked into unemployment.

[@tehbeernerd]

Why are you using the past tense?

[@M_11_m41n]

​​@Alex Naismith Atlanta failing in the NHL was due to bad ownership. Mention the name Atlanta Spirit in Georgia and you will get some ugly words spoken about them.

[@seanragsdale5636]

⁠@@M_11_m41nHawks and former Thrashers fan here, it’ll be more than ugly words.

[@ethanhatcher5533]

All I know is if a fraction of the things the coyotes were going through happened in Columbus, the Jackets would be gone faster than you could say CBJ

[@danielafshar]

All roads lead to April 18th as the day the Coyotes will move to Utah.

[@MrWaifuTaker]

LMAO, the callback to the Thrasher Bird getting busted after a Zamboni chase.

[@Painkiller-1997]

Classic!

[@platformperil1853]

Thank you for pointing out how attendance wasn't always a problem for the team. The Golden Knights have proven that it's not the location that's the problem, it's the people running the show. At this point, the NHL should move the Coyotes and try to bring an expansion team to Arizona if they want anything to pan out for hockey in Arizona. It's such a shame because despite a lack of success, I really like Arizona being a 4-sport state. 2012 was a magical year that every hockey fan should get to experience and more, but it feels like that kind of hope can just never be replicated.

[@M_11_m41n]

It was a shame that that team had to come across a deathtrap that was Jonathan Quick.

[@platformperil1853]

@@M_11_m41n It's a tale as old as time with Arizona sports. No matter what kind of year they have, always be relegated to L.A.'s second fiddle. Diamondbacks, Cardinals, and especially Suns fans can relate in every way.

[@M_11_m41n]

@@platformperil1853 As a Diamondbacks fan, I greatly despise the fact they remember Barry Bonds, the Yankees, or Seattle's 116-win over the team that won the World Series in 2001. AND THEY WON IT ON THE DAY I WAS BORN!!!

[@lol-mu1hc]

vegas has never been bad. i feel as if we can’t make conclusions about their fan base until they experience a few tough seasons.

[@ajevans1422]

@@lol-mu1hc they won that cup so that fans have something to cherish. Atlanta and Arizona fans had little to cherish.

[@wjadams2]

I'm an Arizona native and you are very spot on. The Coyotes were exciting when they first came to the desert. Now, I'm just amazed they are still here. The site in Tempe wasn't favorable because the traffic would have been awful. It already is bad around Tempe Town Lake. It's a damn shame because Arizona can support a team if managed well.

[@Spiderman-wt8hb]

The fact that Vegas got more success in 6 years than the entirety of the Coyotes says a lot about how poorly the team has been run. I know the way expansion has been handled is different than it was in the 90s, but most other teams from that time have managed to succeed and maintain a foothold in their markets in spite of that, Arizona had not.

[@tcbobb1613]

NHL rigged it so Vegas could be successful off the bat

[@doesanyonehavegum327]

The Coyotes weren’t an expansion. We were given a shit situation from Winnipeg and become contenders pretty quickly. It’s a matter of shitty ownership and tbh, moving the team to Glendale was the beginning of this shit show.

[@soulknife20]

Arizona isn't an expansion team. They were the former Winnipeg Jets. The current Winnipeg Jets are the former Atlanta Thrashers. As far as I know, relocation doesn't get the team a new draft or anything.

[@soulknife20]

@@doesanyonehavegum327 Oo. Beat me on that one. I had to do some research.

[@arensaraydarian4648]

Yeah I agree. Dallas, Nashville, Carolina, Tampa, Florida, Anaheim, and San Jose all came in during the 90’s in a span of only about 5 years. All of them have been to the cup final and only 3 of them have never won it. Dallas is always at the top of the attendance list, just look at the crowds in Nashville and Raleigh, Tampa just went to 3 straight finals, Anaheim won in 2007, Florida just went to the final, and San Jose went in 2016. They have all been successful in some way unlike the Coyotes. That says more about the franchise than the fans.

[@MrATR11]

As a Coyotes fan, this video pains me. I've dreamed of this team being something here in Arizona. Doan leaving should scream to fans its the ownership.

[@UrinatingTree]

Having Doan leave (regardless of reason) is a huge red flag to me.

[@roberteaston6413]

I was at the 1995 entry draft in Edmonton. The Edmonton Oilers had the sixth pick. They announced their pick as Steve Kelly. A groan went up through the whole building. Shane Doan was available. He was from central Alberta and considered a local boy. The Winnipeg Jets took Doan. The Oilers also took Jason Bonsognere. Steve Kelly lasted a year and a half. JB lasted two years. The one good pick was Ryan Smythe. As an Oiler fan I can only imagine what would have happened if the they had picked SD.

[@KtB45]

@@roberteaston6413 Kinda crazy that the Jets moved to Arizona after Shane's rookies season and now the Coyotes are leaving Arizona after his son's first season.

[@SortaNonymous]

​@@KtB45 So basically if the next generation of the Doan family plays in the NHL in 30 years and plays for Utah... well, prepare for the worst, Hockey Club fans (or whatever they'll be called by 2052).

[@pob42]

Los Arcos in Scottsdale in 1999 was the franchises best option for success. I used to go when they played in DT PHX, Glendale was just way too far. I only went 4 or 5 times.

[@javitije5075]

if only Manfred would fight this hard to keep the A's in Oakland like Bettman does for the Coyotes

[@oilersridersbluejays]

I was just thinking that. As an Oilers fan, I feel for Coyotes fans. As a Blue Jays fan, I really feel bad for Athletics fans. It’s time for the Coyotes to leave Arizona, but the Athletics should not be moved.

[@gigaj2368]

Too bad it's the complete opposite. In fact, he shitted on the fans for wanting to sell the team

[@rivahkillah]

Is because Bettman is the reason why Phoenix/ Arizona got the team, that's why he fights for them.

[@PoipoleMujigae]

However, Oakland isn't the city and hub it used to be. It is quite a rotting carcass of a city, poor, and has incompetent politicians. If I wanted to agree with this, then the A's ownership has simply added fuel to the fire.

[@LeCommieBoi]

If only Bettman would let go the same way Manfred did…

[@oli24yt]

"the coyotes will continue until morale improves" had me cackling like a hyena

[@imrustyokay]

It's funny seeing Tempe reject a similar plan that Knoxville is fully embracing. Knoxville's getting a privately funded Minor League Baseball/Soccer stadium for the Tennessee Smokies and One Knox SC respectively. It's being built over some old factory buildings that were gonna get torn down anyway, and it was either a stadium or affordable housing, and everybody knew that affordable housing in downtown Knoxville is something that will never happen in the next 20 years at the least. Although there is something One Knox and the Smokies have that the Coyotes do not: Competent Leadership. Honestly, the one reason listed as to why the voters rejected the Coyotes is unmistakable: "The desire to develop the land in other ways.". Translated into practice: "We don't want them here."

[@timmystank3214]

As a fan of this team, this was needed

[@austinemms9772]

It’s especially needed. It’s pretty much over, even if Bettman doesn’t want to admit it.

[@MazeDaGr8]

You poor soul

[@timmystank3214]

@@MazeDaGr8 at least I’m not an A’s fan. Go Yankees

[@didthecoyoteslose]

I agree this was needed, all of us Yotes fans deserve better

[@Trillyana]

@@timmystank3214 At least I'm not the only Yotes/Yanks fan

[@seanragsdale5636]

Competent ownership is everything when it comes to the NHL and non-hockey markets. Dallas, Vegas, Tampa, now Florida, and Nashville had (if not found) not only stable ownership but those who were willing to go the extra mile for success. Yotes have never had that.

[@troybaxter]

Throw Carolina in the mix. They were bottom dwellers because of horrible ownership. Now we have a great coach and a competent owner, and both actively want to improve the hockey market in NC. Hell, Rod is coaching youth hockey in the off-season because he cares that much. Carolina is now in a position where they can comfortably stay in the Triangle because they have fan supportm

[@seanragsdale5636]

@@troybaxter And in a market that’s growing too. Got told off by more than a few Canes fans when I suggested they should be in Charlotte.

[@mjwatts1983]

And somewhat good When the Stars moved from Minneapolis to Dallas, they had Mike Modano. I remember seeing kids in middle & high school wearing his jersey in TX

[@N_manMETA11]

​@@troybaxter Goes to show you how shit Peter Karmanos is. And by the way, people fault Bettman for a lot of shit- some deserved, some not- but one thing I have to give that son of a bitch credit for. He saw Peter Karmanos and the dumbass games he played with Hartford, and he has *never* allowed that to happen again, and not from a shortage of Jim Balsillies trying either.

[@GeorgeDubya43]

That’s exactly what Atlanta never had- stable ownership.

[@arensaraydarian4648]

I kinda feel horrible. We always joke about how the Coyotes have no fans but in reality they have some really passionate fans. They just need a team that can win. For 27 years, they haven’t had that. The Yotes have the BEST jerseys in the league by far, a beautiful logo, a pretty sick goal horn and some pretty likable players. It pains me to see this franchise fail just because of crappy ownership and terrible hockey.

[@astrawallace5913]

As a coyotes fan we do exist, I have a Clayton Keller signed puck and jersey, a signed Jacob chychrun puck, a signed vejmelka stick, and I cherish it all, I love all those players (even though chychrun left he was so good with us) and my team to death, but we’re not competing, we knew we weren’t going to compete this year, so tank the season and get the damn first round pick imo but we couldn’t even do that

[@DominicGibbs]

the jerseys and logos suck.

[@wild_insomnia]

come on ,man,that logo was drawn by someone from asylum,and jerseys are squalid and crappy as heck.

[@astrawallace5913]

@@wild_insomniaidk it’s probably because of how long I’ve been with the team but it’s grown on me😅

[@nerfboy621]

​@@DominicGibbs you have no taste lol

[@ErikZarins]

This is gonna need part four: Legacy of Failure (1996-2024)

[@mjwatts1983]

You mean Part IV Arizona Coyotes: Pro Hockey’s LOLCOW in the Desert Arizona Coyotes: A Disaster in the Desert This video

[@ErikZarins]

@@mjwatts1983oh yeah haha fixed it

[@lanevalhalla9344]

And now we are days of away from the official announcement of their relocation to Salt Lake City

[@JohnZoni]

Well done as always, Tree. Spot-on about how it's not necessarily the market itself (Phoenix had a long hockey history with minor league teams before the 'Yotes arrived in '96) but endless procession of poor ownership groups and management.

[@crazyluigi6664]

Not to mention they had a WHA team back in the day with the Phoenix Roadrunners!

[@theguywiththewhiteboard]

Gary Bettman: I love you Arizona Coyotes: Please kill me

[@gauravagochiya4218]

Steve Dangle: EXISTENCE IS AN EMBARRASSMENT

[@broketheceling]

I Will never forget my first NHL game. Yotes vs Stars in Glendale. Gretzky was coaching. If the Coyotes move I’ll always have that memory. Glad I finally got a team in my home state with the Kraken! Edit: I probably should have mentioned I’m a Habs fan…

[@dannythomas417]

Like Jordin Sparks once said, "Take one step at a time. There's no need to rush."

[@EBAGTheGreat]

Red Wings fan here, Good job in the playoffs this year. Keep it up

[@Michael-uu7zq]

Ayyy let’s go Kraken

[@dannythomas417]

​@@EBAGTheGreatI can see the Kraken are gonna become the late 90s-early 00s Wings, where they constantly battled with the Avs.

[@mikeyRoxx981]

Your comment went all over the place lol talking about Arizona vs Stars then stating that Seattle now has the Kraken to clarifying that you're a Habs fan lol had me confused. Thought you'd say you're a Coyotes fan at first but I thought way wrong lol

[@gabetalks9275]

The most frustrating part about Bettman stubbornly trying to keep the Coyotes in Arizona isn't just the fact that it's hurting the league. It's the fact it's burning the bridge to bring hockey back to Arizona via expansion in the future. If the city government of Glendale and the residents of Tempe are voting hockey out of the region, then I doubt they'll welcome an expansion team.

[@sampicano]

That's a great point. I think struggling markets, like Atlanta and Phoenix are better off in traditional hockey markets (cough Quebec City). In the future, the idea of expanding into Houston, Phoenix, or Atlanta will always be an option. But to ignore hockey markets (Milwaukee, Portland, Quebec City, Cleveland) is an insult to hockey fans.

[@All2Meme]

Tree needs to do a video on the 2023 St Louis Cardinals, they've gone from the pre-season pick to win the NL Central to the laughingstock of the entire league.

[@SmoothCriminal12]

Maybe they shouldve actually addresed the starting pitching instead of setting Wilson Contreras up to fail. Oli Marmol has somehow been worse than Mike Schildt.

[@zacsmith1587]

He might as well put the entire state of MO’s baseball on blast in that video tbh.

[@RYMAN1321]

Good. They’ve won enough, let them suck for an eternity and have others get their chance at contending

[@ChiefBlue4298]

The Cardinals and Royals absolutely suck in baseball this year

[@RatedRMario21]

Left field idea: Move the Coyotes to Albuquerque. They're a decently large, growing city who would have a natural geographic rival in Vegas. They would also be the 1st and only major pro sports team in the area so their arrival should bring a fair deal of enthusiasm

[@fleshwoundNPG]

and think of the simpsons memes this would bring

[@AverageKingBooEnjoyer]

What does Simpsons have to do with that?

[@lanevalhalla9344]

SLC would be that geographical rival for Vegas

[@fpjrzman]

Actually it is Arizona. Utah is a more natural rival for Colorado.

[@SoundOrientedd]

it took a long 27 years but bettman has finally proven hockey can win in the dessert …except it wasn’t even the yotes that did it

[@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co]

I would correct your spelling, except with Kessel involved maybe "dessert" is the right word

[@syzionaurifex5383]

Bettman needs to give his balls a tug

[@AdamQuraishi10]

I will never understand how Gary Bettman has been able to hold onto the Coyotes for this long. Any other stable commissioner would've pulled the plug on this team years ago, but not Gary Bettman.

[@toeray5864]

It continues to amaze me that the NHL has let this go on as long as it has. The first owner of the Lightning was a possibly fictional Japanese businessman who never saw the team play and may have been using the team to launder money. The league doesn't have to put up with that anymore to "prove" southern hockey can succeed. Vegas, Tampa, Dallas, Nashville, Carolina are all successful franchises. The Yotes don't have to stay there to prove a point anymore.

[@enthusiastofcute]

Sunk cost fallacy, they can’t possibly quit after putting so much effort into it right!?

[@mjwatts1983]

Wasn’t the Japanese businessman Yakuza?

[@sampicano]

Carolina Hurricanes bleed money According to Forbes - the business of hockey Carolina has LOST the league a lot of money over the past ten years.

[@NateYount]

As a Tempe resident what killed the vote was the tax breaks and lack of tax revenue. The arena was initially privately funded but the deal really made it out to be a loan. Alex intended to be paid back before giving the city anything to write home about. Part of the deal was a 30 year property tax break. The city would have to put up a bond for the infrastructure to the site. Finally he would get to keep the majority of tax revenue generated on the site to pay himself back. So for the people in Tempe it looked like we were getting pennies to make a billionaire millions and losing what would then be prime real estate. The other issue is they tried to use fear about the landfill being toxic. Since the vote failed and most of the propaganda is gone you will have a hard time finding any information stating the landfill is toxic. The best you will find is some saying it could be toxic we just don’t know until we start digging it up. If you need a public vote you better not be getting any tax advantages regular citizens don’t get. It doesn’t matter the sport any given electorate will often have more non sports fans than fans.

[@dominic4981]

A’s and Coyotes trying not be worst sports teams in US (impossible)

[@g0ast]

I'm originally from AZ and remember all the little details of the Coyotes issues. 1: Moving to Glendale was about 60 minute drive from the majority of Coyotes fans (young families) in Scottsdale, Tempe, Mesa, Chandler, Ahwatukee, North Phoenix. NOBODY (including me) is really interested in getting on the freeway during rush hour on a weeknight through the middle of Phoenix at 5pm for a 7pm game time. 2: Glendale (when first opened the rink) was STILL about half farmland, you can still see farmland now across the freeway from the arena. Unless you can sell to cows and cotton, you don't have many fans around. 3: The entertainment district is popular, on game days. And that's it. It's a ghost town otherwise. 4: Phoenix where the Coyotes first played was alright but it wasn't made for hockey. One end of the rink was UNDERNEATH a concrete bleacher overhang because the rink was bigger than the lower bowl. If you were in those seats you literally couldn't see 1/4 the rink. 5: I remember vividly the arguments Glendale made against having the rink in Tempe when it was originally proposed to go to Glendale. Glendale said "it's too close to the airport in Tempe". While it is in the flight path of the airport, it's about 5 miles away from it. SOFI STADIUM IN LA IS 3 MILES FROM LAX! And SoFi stadium is way bigger than ANY stadium the Coyotes would get. I couldn't believe the new deal for the Coyotes arena still had people bringing up the airport thing. Pitiful excuse. 6: Tempe is located in a perfect area, a college town, a lot of freeway connections, great driving distance to the majority of the fan base Glendale has 2 public ice rinks, the East Valley where Tempe is has 5. That's important because there's a big high school hockey presence in AZ and most of those teams are East of Phoenix. If it was me, I would look at the empty lot owned by the Pima Maricopa Indian Community NW of the 202 and 101 freeways, its immediately North of the Tempe Marketplace mall which is a PROVEN shopping and entertainment district on its own. It's far enough away from the airport nobody would whine, and that land already had the Phoenix Rising FC pro soccer team made a temporary stadium there for a couple years. The Indian community already has the Diamondbacks/Rockies spring training park on indian land, so it is possible.

[@ElmerFudd16]

You say Tempe is perfectly located, yet people couldn't bother to fill the puny arena and were always outnumbered by road fans. Otherwise this is a great comment.

[@sampicano]

Coyotes couldn't stay in Phoenix (and now the footprint center has converted to basketball exclusively). Team was sued by city of Glendale for not paying taxes. Rejected by the cities of Scottsdale AND Tempe. Fun fact....the Arizona Coyotes were also sued by the city of Phoenix twice for interfering with zoning laws in accordance with planned flight paths. How many cities are left? Mesa? Let's see. The Coyotes will play at Mullet Arena until 2023-2024 minimum. There is no ARENA plan. There is no city chosen. Yet. They still have to find a location. And purchase the land... And then build a brand new arena from scratch, minimum 3 years construction (with NO delays). And that's if they don't get resoundingly rejected by Mesa, like the Tempe vote. 2027 is the realistic soonest possible date for a new arena. Therefore... The Arizona Coyotes are relocating. 100% Why spend $500 million on another arena, which may or may not work out? That would be crazy. To build this team a new arena would be insane. Videtron Centre - Quebec City, QC MODA Center - Portland, OR Fiserv Forum - Milwaukee, WI Delta Center - Salt Lake City, UT Toyota Center - Houston, TX Are all available, NHL sized arenas in cities without NHL teams. Arizona Coyotes are relocating.

[@PoipoleMujigae]

I really think this franchise shouldn't relocate, but contract all together, kind of like the Seals back in the day.

[@a18yearoldonyoutubeluigi]

The Coyotes are like the opposite of the A’s, everyone and their mothers want them to move.

[@vili76]

I have family who live in the Pheonix area. And they didnt know they had an NHL team till last year

[@ElmerFudd16]

How long have they lived there, out of curiosity?

[@byufan4ever013]

As one of the dozens of highly devoted Yotes fans, I’d love for them to stay in Arizona. But at this point, I just don’t know if there’s any real way of making that happen. It sucks, but I just don’t think it will work out.

[@austinpissey8789]

Move them to Salt Lake City and save them. Wealthy population, good demographics, 2M people within 45 minutes, a new ice arena being built for the olympics, and a young owner with deep pockets. People here want a team badly.

[@N_manMETA11]

They'd be better for an expansion team. They don't want aaaaaany part of the shit that ruined the Coyotes. They might *think* they do, but they don't. The Coyotes are legit one of those 15 year rebuild teams at this point, I don't care how many people are in your city, a fanbase is not sitting through that.

[@austinpissey8789]

@NmanMETA 11 I think with the prospect pool they've gathered and the draft capital they've acquired, they're far from a 15 year overhaul. They showed significant improvement in their home games this year. Star goal tending is needed, and a veteran presence; hard to land that veteran presence without a stable future in sight.

[@dylandog518]

@@N_manMETA11 a mormon here with a flds joke, it would only take 2 families to fill the arena with all of their wives

[@dman5527x]

This whole situation is why i dont understand why people said the NHL rigged the draft for the blackhawks. Bettman and the league have a massive interest in seeing that this team does well and they've been trying forever if the draft truly was rigged why wasnt arizona higher up on the draft order, bedard could have jumpstarted the entire franchise

[@sampicano]

Bettman bent over backwards to keep the coyotes. They went bankrupt and the NHL bought the team. It has the lowest attendance, lowest valuation and loses the most money. And Bettman blocked them relocating. Why didn't Bettman put in that kind of effort into keeping the nordiques or jets orgiinally??? Why is Arizona shown preferential treatment by the league? Smarten up

[@vicory3836]

It's amazing looking at the A's and Coyotes situations. In Oakland you have a with over 50 years of history and a very strong fanbase and Manfred is willing to give that up for Vegas which has been a hit for the Knights but not the Raiders in terms of sustained success/fanbase. Then you have the Coyotes on the other hand with just over 20 years in the in Arizona with their issues and Bettman is doing whatever he can to keep them there.

[@JakeTV370]

the coyotes have had more majority owners since 1996 than the red wings have had head coaches

[@brettrossi034]

I dont know why i laughed so much at seeing the Coyotes play at Mullet Arena with the boards advertising Goodwill around the walls. Perfect partnership. Goodwill with Hockey's moat Goodwill franchise.

[@captaiawesome2260]

6:38 When you actually want to make the Coyotes an honorable team worth watching, but even God says NO.

[@marcwhitlock5002]

I'll still never forget that random playoff run they went on to the west finals with Mike Smith standing on his head, when they lost to the Kings it really seemed like they knew that was their only chance at anything.

[@crazyluigi6664]

Seconded. Ironically that was back when the NHL owned the team themselves!

[@austinreed5805]

As I see it, two possible ways the Coyotes could go is either moving to Salt Lake City to become the Utah Coyotes or moving to Kansas City and completely rebranding the team. I don’t see them staying in Arizona.

[@troybaxter]

They could go to Houston. Hell, they don't even need to change their name. Coyotes are all over Texas.

[@uhohbruhmoment9294]

As someone from Houston I'm not really that interested in hockey, but if we got a team down here I would definitely watch and route for them.

[@FigureFarter]

@@dAiMYoBeAr They're long gone

[@dAiMYoBeAr]

@@FigureFarter indeed, my bad

[@ketamineaddict156]

Get your own team then. Don't root for someone else's team to move away

[@uhohbruhmoment9294]

@@ketamineaddict156 did I say I was rooting for someone to move away? No. I just want a team. If they Coyotes are the ones to come here so be it, they’d be the team I root for then.

[@superpants07]

I live near Houston and love hockey. I root for the Florida Panthers but I'd become a diehard Houston Hockey fan in a heartbeat. I'd root for two teams happily lol

[@sawyertuide7636]

As a young Coyotes fan left jaded by Chayka I have faith they’ll make it work in Mesa… and maybe Dylan Guenther might be the next Shane Doan and Keller is our new Keith Tkachuk. But this organization doesn’t need just a new building to survive. It needs an owner, and Meurelo is not that.

[@TheOrangeStripe]

This aged well.

[@Canada1994]

Whose back after the announcement that the team is FINALLY free of the Arizona misery and is moving to Salt Lake City?

[@thekeegster6278]

I’m pulling for the Coyotes! They got some really hard core fans and they deserve a good hockey team! But they are a prime example of how much ownership can change the course of a franchise’s history

[@nicholaswesoloskie7194]

I’m rooting against them lol. We need the whalers back, sorry Zona

[@doesanyonehavegum327]

@@nicholaswesoloskie7194 Lol fuck the Whalers. The franchise would not go to Hartford😂

[@Murph_gaming]

@nicholaswesoloskie7194 the Yotes likely aren't going to an east coast city. Houston or KC would keep the conferences in balance.

[@johnnyroberts3761]

The Thrashers were another prime example

[@nicholaswesoloskie7194]

@@Murph_gaming CT gov already had an ownership group together

[@benrichey2808]

Thank you for throwing in that clip at the end. Hard to watch when you know everything is true. -a coyotes fan whose first hockey game was during their 2012 run

[@bn_2759]

I lost it at the Terri Schiavo comparison 💀😭

[@marcus813]

As a lifelong Tampa Bay Area resident, that hits different for me.

[@bmac4]

Hard not to wonder what happens if the Coyotes managed to actually make a passionate run to the Cup Final back in 2012 instead of getting absolutely shitstomped by the Kings. That team was fun to watch and a good run can invigorate and cultivate a fanbase in a hurry, as we saw this year with the Florida Panthers for whom I saw a ton of people saying how this run got them interested in the team, either again or for the first time.

[@Steve_Hunts96]

This is very true, the Panthers were in a scary position not all that long ago, and now after seeing Florida Live Arena filled to capacity in the Stanley Cup Final, they’ve clearly shown that hockey can work in the Miami metro, and that the franchise now is in much better shape than it used to be. All it takes is the right people running the show, and man do I wish the Coyotes would get that.

[@MikeTheKoopaWarrior]

The Arizona Coyotes: Professional Hockey's Money Pit

[@Architraz_PHX]

I love going to Coyote games, they're fun despite the team's issues, quick and just an all around good time. That being said, I hate driving 30-45 minutes to the suburbs to visit an arena surrounded mostly by shadeless parking lots to do it. Put it in a place with what passes for mass transit here, have some success, and the fans will come. But man, you gotta earn it... half the valley that lives here came from somewhere else; you've gotta tempt them away from their teams, and if you lose that momentum and spirit, you're going to lose those fans in a heartbeat. Haven't seen much to even start that process in a long long while.

[@Benweaves]

How the hell Bettman has managed to keep his job is beyond me endless lockouts, the yotes... the man is single handedly holding the NHL back.

[@JarradBruessel32]

Because they are making more money now than they ever did before. The lockouts were what the owners wanted. It got the salary cap so they could make a higher percentage than they were getting and then big market teams like Detroit couldn't keep going out and buying players left and right like they did in 2001-2002. Those 2001-2004 red wings teams had tons of hall of famers on the team and it was ridiculous how much money they were spending. The salary cap was much needed. The yotes continue to stay because the owners don't want them to move. They are businessmen. They know that it will eventually be a viable market once they finally get things sorted out. The current yotes owner was willing to pay for basically the entire project. He has the money. The only reason it got denied was the local labor unions were all pissy about it so they spent millions of dollars that could have gone to the labor union workers instead to make sure the arena didn't get approved.

[@dylandog518]

Don't forget he was awarded with the lifetime hockey achievement award

[@LordPichuPal]

@@JarradBruessel32 Detroit's not a big market. However we had an owner in Mike Illitch who was willing to spend whatever it takes to make his teams winners. He proved that with the Tigers, too. Most owners in the league weren't willing to go up against that so they finally pushed to get a salary cap instituted to level the playing field. Besides the fact Illitch was willing to pay players anything they wanted, the culture of the Red Wings franchise is what drew so many players here, too. Guys knew we were a successful team with a chance to win every year and wanted to be a part of it. That's the big reason we got so many Hall of Fame caliber guys from 2001 until the lockout. Unfortunately for the Coyotes, their ownership has always held them back, and until they get someone serious about the team, it may never end. The fact Bettman continues to prop them up like his personal pet project makes it all the more embarrassing because we all know he would've pulled the plug if it were any other team in this situation.

[@JarradBruessel32]

@@LordPichuPal well Atlanta had the chance but they refused to pay to stay in the league. Also detroit is an original 6 team. They are a big market. I live in Minnesota. There are tons of red wings fans that live here. Red wings fans can be found at any arena they go to

[@davidkruse4030]

@@JarradBruessel32 the red wings werent the biggest spenders during that time.

[@5PctJuice]

Hi, I live in the Valley (not in Tempe though) and I can provide some amount of insight on this. I literally know multiple people whose homes would've been bulldozed for this arena. Thousands displaced with virtually no clear idea of how compensation would work. All for a team that, in Tempe voters's minds, wouldn't bring enough to the city to make up for it. More than anything, that motivated a lot of No votes. It's not people choosing a landfill over an arena; it's people saying "no" to being rendered homeless.

[@Gum_Cuzzler]

I mean it was also a massive transfer of taxpayer money to a bunch of rich assholes.

[@UrinatingTree]

I think it was a combo of that, traffic issues, and questions as to the sustainability of the project.

[@5PctJuice]

@@UrinatingTree Those were definitely all contributing factors as well. Traffic is terrible as it is in Tempe and the sustainability was a big concern. There was also concern over how much Glendale got shafted and a desire for that not to happen to Tempe.

[@theredlizard2]

What houses? The entire area is a dump + maintenance yard. It got voted down because the Yotes spent nothing on campaigning while the financing was confusing enough you could both argue the team is and isn't getting public funds. Traffic was the other issue.

[@5PctJuice]

@@theredlizard2 tell me you know nothing about the area without telling me

[@MisterVicky9]

As an arizona resident, it'll be sad if they go, but ownership won't pay a fair rent to Glendale, so they're gonna go to a city desperate for hockey

[@tehbeernerd]

No they won’t

[@dirtycordoba6713]

That barn in Glendale is awesome too. The problem is that it was too far away from everyone on the other side of town. If you wanted to make it to a game in the middle of the week after work you had to drive for an hour or more in heavy traffic.

[@Ru22ell59]

As a fellow Arizona native, I’m glad there not building a new stadium and putting Arizona in billions of dollars in debt, if yotes want to stay move to footprint center, and actually advertise as a local team like the suns

[@thatredsunburst]

Yea moving to the footprint center isn't happening

[@jasonmartinez5116]

@@thatredsunburst Definitely since Footprint Center isn't designed for basketball, sightline issues were a big issue when the Coyotes played in Phoenix

[@namelessrocker12]

*brass bonanza quietly begins playing far in the distance, very gradually gets louder*

[@Rage867]

LOL, West Gate is booming right now! Of course it's been helped greatly by the coyotes leaving. But the largest resort is getting finished now, Hasbro has a theme park. And they are building thousands of high end apartments there.

[@psychopathyoutubeemployees280]

Huge blow for sporting leagues...good!

[@AlexSilver9]

Glad I bought a Coyotes jersey when I did. Should make for an interesting Collector's item in the future.

[@prank1304]

All of those who try to win in the valley of the sun will fail. No team from Arizona has won anything significant since 2001, not even the college teams. I'm not superstitious, but I can't help but think the entire state is cursed. The fact that Vegas can get a championship caliber team in 6 years while there are several teams in Arizona that haven't won a chip ever in decades of existance tells you a whole lot.

[@erics.czernecki7333]

Who's here after the Utah news?

[@djtrankilo231]

At this rate, the Coyotes deserve another lolcow video rather than another in-depth video of their dumb situation

[@DarkKirby14LP]

as you said when you first talked about PHX, it's a trasplant/snowbird market and Arizona's other teams have struggled too

[@turbokart3776]

It's always sad when a team leaves a city. It sucks to see. I hope Hartford gets the Whalers back, but even if that happens, Coyotes fans should never be forgotten.

[@tehbeernerd]

All five of them

[@enthusiastofcute]

@@tehbeernerd five feels generous

[@senororlando2]

the coyotes are like one of those extinct rainforest languages. Maybe worth remembering that they once existed, but that’s pretty much it.

[@_KroW_]

The team wont move east, they will 100% keep it in the west like houston or maybe even salt lake city

[@shawklan27]

​@@tehbeernerd I guess I'm one of them 🤷🏿‍♀️

[@chaostopia]

The Coyotes legit becoming more of a clownshow than ever.

[@RYMAN1321]

Been that way for 50+ years and counting If I could I would utterly shitcan the Coyotes and Canucks. They’ve had 50+ years to win and haven’t, I doubt anyone would really miss a team that has gone *that* long without winning a title. You keep a failing team around longer the more suffering the fans have to deal with. But you shitcan the team, and while the pain may be strong at first it’ll all subside eventually knowing a sorry excuse of a team that would never win a cup is finally put out of their misery

[@frenchfrey65]

Thank you for pointing something out that I've noticed during this whole saga. Forget lack of TV exposure Forget the Blackhawks scandal Forget everything that has been holding back the NHL from popularity The Yotes are ALMOST the sole reason why the NHL isn't getting bigger or sustaining more revenue. The NFL and NBA's salary caps are rising regardless how bad their bad teams are doing, yet the NHL's is only going up by $1 million. The Yotes situation is so embarrassing it begs the question, is Bettman on the take for something? Are they really that desperate for the golf courses there? Surely they can just go there anyway after a season right? That Bettman has the audacity to say that other markets couldn't work for some bad excuse or another. Be it Quebec City and the poor Canadian market Be it Milwaukee and competing with Chicago, MN, and Detroit, despite the Packers, Bucks, and Brewers doing the same thing and thriving. Be it KC due to a failed team before Be it Houston for some unknown reason Why is Bettman so stubborn about this!? It has to be more than about money at this point, it's like a communist dictator doubling down on a solution to a problem they made and forcing the solution harder, KNOWING FULL WELL IT ISN'T WORKING AND THEY'RE TRYING TO SAVE FACE! It legit would be better PR for Bettman to admit he was wrong about the Yotes, apologize to fans, and let someone move the team literally ANYWHERE but there (Hell I'd accept another Chicago or NY team at this point!).

[@chriskay1449]

Re: Milwaukee, the Chicago owner has market rights and can kill any attempt by himself. Bettman can't do anything about that.

[@N_manMETA11]

Where can you move the Coyotes that doesn't present most of the same issues? Practically anywhere you move them, you're either going to battle an NBA team for an arena, and you're going to have hell finding an owner that actually has the team's best interest. And in the case of Quebec City, now you get the added treat of screwing Columbus over- y'know, punish a rebuilding team and fans in a market that cares, to bail out a dead franchise. You wanna see an admission of defeat from Bettman? Fold the team entirely. The Yotes are way too far gone, any rebuilding effort you can put into them is going to take too long for a new city to care. Think about it from Houston, Milwaukee or Kansas City's perspective. Vegas and Seattle get clean-slate expansion teams, but they get a dead husk of a Coyotes franchise with more issues than they can count? It'd be the same shit, different city no matter where you move them to, if it were any other franchise I'd agree with you, but not the Coyotes. If Arizona falls through, don't even bother moving them, just fold the team and expand to Houston or somewhere. Some of the cities you even mentioned, it's not a matter of who they're "competing" with, it's who the hell's gonna pay $300 million to keep them there. Who in Milwaukee would want to put that much money into a franchise whose calling card is LOSING MONEY? That goes against every cardinal rule business people are taught. Norm Fertitta-era Rockets have been entirely awful, he's on the verge of having to lose them, the last thing the Coyotes need is another hair-brained owner in a city that's only really gonna care if they win. Let's be real, how long does the "look guys, we got a new team" air really last in a city like Houston, for a hockey team that's this awful? I'm just saying, a relocation doesn't "fix" the Coyotes, there isn't any "fixing" the Coyotes, they're a blemish on the sport itself and the longer they don't fold, the more of a disaster they'll become.

[@frenchfrey65]

@@N_manMETA11 which begs the question, when was the last time a team folded!? That would be unprecedented in today's day and age! and an honest thank you for that detailed reply.

[@frenchfrey65]

@@chriskay1449 that sounds illegal...

[@chriskay1449]

@@frenchfrey65 It's not illegal. It is rights he obtained with agreement from the NHL. He controls the market and the NHL cannot move a team to Milwaukee without him agreeing to it.

[@connorrivers995]

You know things are bad when you have seven different owners over thirty years.

[@redbird8428]

As a lifelong Arizonan/Coyotes fan everything about this is completely accurate. Tree definitely does his research

[@taylormcalarnen5005]

I was in Phoenix recently this past March to see friends and family. It was when the World Baseball Classic was in Phoenix and i was there to attend the games. But I also got to see an Arizona Coyotes vs Calgary Flames game at the ASU Hockey Arena and it was my favourite of the sporting events that I saw while in Arizona. It was awesome and full of thrill to see a hockey game from where I was sitting with my amigo from college who got us the tickets and it never bothered me that an NHL game was playing in that type of arena. Atendancce had both Coyotes fans and Calgary fans! Everything you want for a fan of Professional Hockey. It ended with the Coyotes winning in OT. I will never forget it! Thank you Jake!

[@Thesportsmonster46]

Please do the Blue Jackets in-depth. I am a die hard fan and feel as though all of the fanbase isn’t batting an eye at the buffoonery

[@MisterVercetti]

I agree. How the Jackets have managed to hold out for 23 years and counting despite being the undisputed pinnacle of mediocrity and failure not just in hockey, but perhaps in all of professional sports, is definitely a bizarre anomaly deserving of a close-up examination. Tree even specifically mentioned the Yotes' lack of on-ice success as a key contributor to the fanbase abandoning the team, so it really does bear asking: how have the Jackets managed to survive despite arguably having an even _worse_ track record?

[@AJEDDY97]

​@@MisterVercettithe cannon, Rick Nash, and cool jerseys? That's my guess.

[@tehbeernerd]

@@MisterVercettiColumbus has a much deeper hockey history than Phoenix, mainly because of Ohio State.

[@liamwaselko4128]

The hiring of Mike Babcock in itself needs an in-depth explanation (fellow fan).

[@N_manMETA11]

Mainly I'd say it's because Columbus has the individual "pieces" of a franchise that would work, just arranged in the... weirdest, most abstract way possible. The Blue Jackets are legit like a modern art project- the idea is good. "Oh, let's out hockey in a large sports market in Ohio" sounds great on the surface. And this isn't personal, Columbus is a storied city, it's home to Ohio State and the branding and idea for the team is super cool, I would never dream of "moving" the Blue Jackets- they're grounded well enough there that it's just not on the table. But why wasn't it Cincinnati, like for the time it made eons more sense. They needed a WESTERN Conference team, Cincinnati fits that bill a smidge better than Columbus. And technically speaking, so did Atlanta- it's further west than Columbus which... is still a jarring realization to me but I'm looking at the map right tf now, it's true, Atlanta's a little further over than Columbus AND Detroit on that X-axis, and yes I feel cheated out of a Preds-Thrashers rivalry too. No, but legit, Columbus is everything *weird* about a franchise, while still having everything that "works" in a franchise. That's why the Blue Jackets stick out like a sore thumb in the Big 4, it's because they are... SO their own thing, that mix does not exist anywhere else certainly in the Big 4. No franchise aside from the Blue Jackets is THAT disfunctional and weird while still being that functional and average. They're like Shroedinger's franchise, or Palestine, you can "explain" the Blue Jackets but they'll never make sense to a mere mortal such as ourselves.

[@arthurtaylor2593]

The really sad part is, even as a Caps fan, I've been to two games when they played at Gila River Arena... and I had a blast! The fans that did show up were as loyal and as fervent as any, if not far fewer. But, the passion is there. I sincerely hope they figure out the right formula and stay in Arizona. I think the fans deserve them.

[@JazzGMoney]

As a diehard yotes fan it’s pretty simple. The management for the last 20 years has been awful. There are plenty of coyotes fans but nobody wants to watch a bottom 5 team league for 10 years +. All they need to do is find a new home in the east valley and put a winning product on the ice and everything will be fine. Hopefully this new owner knows what he is doing

[@ElmerFudd16]

Meruelo is a clown like the rest. Painfully obvious he doesn't care about hockey.

[@bizmen81]

And what's also amazing is that Arizona State Hockey actually upgraded with Mullet Arena and been growing a fan base as they been getting better recruits, being ranked more often, and being in contention for the NCAA tourney...all while being independent! Plus there are rumors that they might join the NCHC, which is one of the better college hockey conferences!

[@MisterVercetti]

Watching this video made me realize just how badly we need an in-depth breakdown of the Blue Jackets' miserable existence. Twenty three years and counting with only a single postseason series win (not counting the 2020 play-in) to show for it and no hope for success in the near future makes them officially the biggest failure to launch in the history of professional sports. How a basically stillborn franchise has managed to survive for as long as the Jackets have definitely warrants a close-up examination.

[@badger6728]

We keep getting fucked over by the NHL, that’s why. See: the draft “lottery” this year

[@sportballotaku2139]

For sure. But that will only come in time. And by that I mean if they fail to win a Cup while Johnny Hockey is still in Columbus. If he leaves and there is still little to no success, then a video should be made.

[@allthingsgaming6]

Although the one playoff series they did win was absolutely glorious

[@badger6728]

@@allthingsgaming6 it’s what made me a fan. Also, I love scrappy young teams

[@gabetalks9275]

I think part of it is that they're playing in a market that's dwarfed by the giants of Cincinnati and Cleveland. Obviously that's not the main reason, but I do think it plays a role. Cincinnati had the WHA Cincinnati Stingers, and legends like Mark Messier played for them. And then you have the classic Cleveland Barons that only got a chance to exist for one season, yet is absolutely a bigger hockey market than Columbus and the Cavaliers' arena already hosts the Blue Jackets' AHL affiliate, so Cleveland already has an NHL ready arena. Plus, no offense, but naming the team the "Blue Jackets" is just awful branding. How am I supposed to know what the "Blue Jackets" are supposed to be without me googling it? It's hard to build an identity with bad branding. The Blue Jackets should just move to Cincinnati or Cleveland. Reviving one of the retro teams would make them much more attractive to the states, and personally, I think Cincinnati is the best option. It's much closer to Columbus than Cleveland is, so the core fanbase won't be too far away, and the metro area crosses over into Kentucky and Indiana, so it represents three states at once. That kind of reach would be far better for the team, and the sport. Plus, being able to tell everyone down there that Messier played for them once will immediately make them interested, and that's not something Cleveland has the privilege to say.

[@chobo500]

Back here after the news of the Salt Lake City move. Honestly, given everything that's happened with this team, how could they possibly stay in the Phoenix metro area?

[@lancetheb.m.c]

Hockey can work in the Desert, but they blew their only chance when the Los Arcos Project failed all the way back in 2008......

[@JUVI9596]

Winnipegger here. We could’ve kept them in 1996 and they would NEVER have been as bad a train wreck as this still is. Even without a new arena

[@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co]

Only India has train wrecks as bad as the Yotes.

[@SlyKnuxRealist4]

The duality of hockey in the desert.

[@MeargleSchmeargle]

The more embarrassing the Coyotes become, the more pissed I am that Atlanta lost not one but *two* franchises in this league and haven't gotten a good shot at it since.

[@willp.8120]

Atlanta's issues had everything to do with ownership. Atlanta is by far bigger than most of the cities in the NHL that currently have teams, yet for some reason the league didn't fight for it when the Atlanta Spirit saga went down. The Thrashers were a far more supported team than the Coyotes have been.

[@TheDemonDeuce]

9 months later after this video, they're moving to Utah, its confirmed.

[@danbrooks5060]

The list of Canadian cities that are better suited for a franchise grows longer every year this saga continues: - Halifax - Quebec - Hamilton - Regina - Kitchener - London Bettman and greedy leafs ownership will forever conspire to prevent any more teams in Ontario, but you can't convince me that teams in any of these places wouldn't be better supported and more commercially successful than the literally-worse-than-a-trash-heap coyotes.

[@TheAlfrulz]

Houston ! Just move there already. Also, thank you Tempe voters for not allowing a pro sports team to siphon any of your tax dollars. 👍

[@mcj88]

7:45 - No. I will not stop asking, not until the NHL gets their collective heads out of their own collective asses and realizes that QC is the *ONLY* option for a new team that's even halfway credible. I'm dead serious when I say that every single American market that's been floated as a possible alternative destination for the Coyotes, by an NHL swaying and bending in the wind to avoid the reality of the situation, has major obstacles on the road to success: -Phoenix as a market has basically been salted to death by this point, I think even if they did somehow move back into the city or even Scottsdale, supposedly where their fanbase is, I don't think they'll be able to get people to care anymore. -Houston hasn't had an _AHL_ team in 10 years, and their last top-level team, in an outlaw league a half-century ago, collapsed and folded basically the moment the GOAT Gordie Howe stopped playing for them; IMO there's no evidence to support that they even care about hockey anymore, they certainly haven't had even a minor reason to since 2013, and I think it actually has the (admittedly-slim) potential to go _worse_ than Phoenix has. -Salt Lake City's best arena option is basically Barclays Center but somehow even _worse,_ as it only seats 14,000 people and has to collapse the seats on _both_ endzones just to fit a rink. All of their other arenas are out in the suburbs and don't meet the NHL's arena requirements (that only come into play when it's not the Coyotes), and while I've heard _talk_ about the Jazz and the city looking to build a new arena, it's only just been talk - no actual announcements or reports. -Kansas City was suggested by none other than Patrick Mahomes himself, and while they did try to land both the Islanders and Penguins in the late-00s, there's one little caveat that doesn't really get talked about: word is that their arena's owner isn't interested in getting an NHL or NBA team anymore! Shortly after those aforementioned attempts failed, they realized they could make plenty of money just off of musical concerts and touring acts, without the need for a primary tenant like a sports team; and so ownership has sat on their laurels just letting the money roll in ever since, and that's why there hasn't been any serious talk of KC getting another sports team in about 15 years. -Atlanta's already failed twice, as we all know, and I always have my skepticisms about suburban sports arenas. (Look at the messes Ottawa, until this season Florida, and Arizona themselves have been in, all in part due to being in the suburbs.) I _do_ myself think a third try could work if done right, but "done right" in my mind is a competently-run team that's successful on the ice _and_ has an arena downtown, and that last part is utterly out of the question now that State Farm Arena has been made basketball-only. -Hartford's put in feelers, and while I am nostalgic for the return of the Whalers myself, it won't happen as long as the city's only arena option is the same arena that was already too old for the future-Hurricanes in _1997, 25 years ago,_ new renovations be-damned. (Besides, both Atlanta and Hartford run into the same -problem- excuse that Quebec City has against it: that no other Eastern team wants to switch conferences, and the NHL's all-powerful executive branch suddenly can't be arsed to incentivize anyone to make the switch. Like, you're honestly telling me that the same league who once put Vancouver and later Winnipeg in the Eastern Conference, Montreal & Los Angeles in the same division together, and Tampa Bay, Florida, Detroit, Boston & Toronto in the same division _now_ suddenly cares about geographical consistency and the sanctity of their alignment? That's a funnier joke than the last 25 years of Phoenix Coyotes hockey! Funny how this little issue hasn't really come up for them though; just QC... 🤔) I know everyone outside of Canada is sick of hearing it by this point, but honestly? *Dommage, tabarnak !* _Où d'autre y a-t-il aller?_

[@jonasgorea3823]

Preemptively congratulations to the 2024 cup champs Arizona Coyotes!

[@michaelleroy9281]

Hahaha 😆

[@andrewwiggins9349]

Bro if this happens ill get a tattoo of the Yotes, coming from a avid Yotes fan

[@syzionaurifex5383]

Probably not

[@michaelvandeginste3497]

Almost 30 years later, Bettman still refuses to take the L for allowing the original Jets to leave Winnipeg.

[@thefunnyman3187]

And now they are officially dead, rip the yotes

[@JonathanGaeta]

It was worth a shot. No it wasn’t, considering this team was the original Winnipeg Jets taken away to the deserts of Arizona, which kinda worked but slowly faded away, and having to play in a college arena shows how this team has fallen.

[@Gongmatron]

I feel for the coyotes fans i really do but some people are really wondering why a city didnt want a historicly bad franchise that just got kicked out of their old arena for not paying their bills and currently cant sell out a 5000 seat arena. Its not very surprising

[@bmoney2011]

I guess with modern context having the Hurricanes win the Cup 9 years after relocating to Raleigh *does* seem like taking "a long time" to thrive. The drought years in Carolina when no one showed up to the games was after that, and due to apathetic ownership creating uninspiring rosters and ineffective coaching staffs.

[@troybaxter]

I agree with this point. The reason why Carolina is so beloved now is because Dundon clearly cares, as shown by the Stadium Series, they have a coach that is considered a darling in the Triangle because of 2006, and a competent core set of players that are likeable (Aho, Svech, Turbo, Slavin, etc.).

[@Urstadt18]

Been in Arizona all my adult life, and a hard core Coyotes fan for just as long. I agree with everything you said in this video except one: there is available land on the northwest-most part of Mesa that is available, which is connected to the rest of the Phx-Mesa valley via major highways and public transit. The truth is, this area has always been their best option but the business managers and ownership are too dense accept that. They are stuck on old business models that tracked older generations of customers, and as a result, they think that center is better. Nope. Accessibility is better, and nowhere is more accessible that northwest Mesa right now. ("Oh, but Tempe, but Tempe!" -- Whatever, Tempe is less than 5 miles from the area I am referring to: less than 4 minutes down L-202.)

[@myaimistrashgaming5175]

I live in the west valley, and westgate (where they played in Glendale) is literally the only big thing over here besides arrowhead mall up north. They are at least building an amusement park over by westgate too now. Anyways, I would go to coyotes games all the time. The appeal to me was it was cheap to go see all the all stars of the league, from all the different teams. I am from Denver so I like the Avs, but it was nice having cheap tickets. It’s now 200$ at minimum to go see them at the tiny arena. Personally, I’m prob not going to anymore games. I want the franchise to stay, people here just need to be educated about hockey more, there isn’t good youth programs and I know if the coyotes get a successful team, Arizonians would cheer for them.

[@newfoundlandmapping4493]

I smell yet another coyotes video on the horizon

[@chrisuncleahmad789]

This video was more intriguing then the entire 2023 Stanley Cup Finals

[@briangriffinfamilyguyfan81]

Damn lol. That sure says a lot.

[@MikeTheKoopaWarrior]

Every single finals outside of 2022 sucked. I may not watch at all next year.

[@GoldenKnightsFan-dv9er]

ok

[@GoldenKnightsFan-dv9er]

Vegas was too good

[@soulknife20]

@@MikeTheKoopaWarrior There were some good stories that finals. Will Tampa 3 peat? Will the Avs choke again? How does this affect LeBron's legacy?

[@somewheresick]

The opposition put out MASSIVE amounts of misinformation about who was paying for the stadium and how. Kinda sad, everyone assumed it was taxpayers.

[@ElmerFudd16]

And yet for some reason, the "billionaire" (LMFAO) owner got outspent massively by the opposition. It's almost like he's a fraud or something...

[@seanreddy985]

This sounds and looks like to me the exact way I feel about the Pirates in Pittsburgh working on their 5 year plan since I was 10 and I’m almost 40 lol.

[@DontDisapPyrrha]

As someone that lives in Tempe, the people voting no straight up bought Phoenix and Sky Harbor’s vote no campaign. They not only said no to the Coyotes and yes to a toxic landfill but they said no to thousands of jobs and additional money brought in by sports traffic. But what else would you expect from a city that built a senior’s home right next to a park that has music festivals and live music and were surprised when the old people started complaining…

[@20Bravesfan]

As a Yotes fan this is constantly depressing

[@danielcervantes4729]

Thank you for acknowledging that the Glendale move set this team back hard. Prime example of why you dont build off of projections *hoping* that the fans and economic prosperity will come in a place out of the way from the general fanbase.