"One Of The Best Killers I've Ever Solved"

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Cracking The Cryptic

Cracking The Cryptic

Күн бұрын

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@mariushutu9131
@mariushutu9131 Жыл бұрын
It is remarkable how you can spot the most complicated logic, but dont see the black 9 in the corner resolves the 39 pair in column 3 for like 10 minutes. Great solve, as always
@KyleBaran90
@KyleBaran90 Жыл бұрын
Or watching Simon solve it and spotting the coolest logic, or solving cryptic crossword puzzles, but then not realizing that the name is an obvious reference to high/low digits attracting each other (eg working out the cage differentials)
@listey
@listey Жыл бұрын
A lot of solvers struggle to see the black digits for some reason.
@MrDaDisha
@MrDaDisha Жыл бұрын
it's not like he was staring, doing nothing and not seeing. he was doing the other part of puzzle writing numbers and making progress.
@Piatato
@Piatato Жыл бұрын
How amazing to be able to watch this one twice! 😲 Will watch right now 👀
@CarlintVeld
@CarlintVeld Жыл бұрын
The first time you solved it yourself? Thanks for this great puzzle!
@bobblebardsley
@bobblebardsley Жыл бұрын
I'd guess the title stems from the 'polar opposites' of sudoku digits being the digits 1 and 9 (or 'low' and 'high', more generally). The high-value killer cage 'attracts' r1c1 towards being a high digit, whereas the low-value cage 'attracts' it towards being a low digit. Finding the equilibrium between those attracting forces is the key to breaking into the solve.
@Piatato
@Piatato Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great feature of this puzzle! I had a lot of fun watching both. I hope Mark won't get too annoyed by the fact that you were a bit faster - I think he was a bit distracted by wanting to trifurcate every cell in the grid. 😛 In the end you both found all the same logic, though! Just awesome! 🥳
@philc2729
@philc2729 Жыл бұрын
But why polar attraction though, per his question?
@OlafDoschke
@OlafDoschke Жыл бұрын
That's weird. I thought this was done before, but couldn't remember if it was here or elsewhere.
@Paolo_De_Leva
@Paolo_De_Leva Жыл бұрын
The hardest deduction was beautiful but extremely difficult to find. Simon, as usual, grasped it quickly and skillfully, at playback time 27:18. I admire Simon's genius but I also sympathize with Mark. I am glad this puzzle was solved by both Mark and Simon. It is a masterpiece, full of cool logic, and it fully deserved a double feature on CTC. 👏👏👏👏👏
@Paolo_De_Leva
@Paolo_De_Leva Жыл бұрын
By the way, there are other puzzles that would deserve a second feature on CTC...
@pacman52280
@pacman52280 Жыл бұрын
When/Where did Mark solve this?
@AndersHaalandverby
@AndersHaalandverby Жыл бұрын
(edit: Click on My name to see my video on the alternative break-in! )My break-in to this puzzle was completely different! I used SET THEORY on column 3 and 4 and row 3 and 4, if you subtract the cages and the virtual 13/7 cages in the big cage, you are left with the intersection of the two columns/rows MUST add up to 20! and everthing else(not in any cages) in the rows MUST be MAXED OUT, and everything in the 2 columns that not cage must be MINIMIZED. If you make the 20 intesection 1 bigger or 1 smaller, nothing works!
@Piatato
@Piatato Жыл бұрын
Very nice, it actually seems to totally bypass the main breakthrough that Simon found, in a legitimately very beautiful manner. I didn't realize this earlier. Thanks for explaining!
@AndersHaalandverby
@AndersHaalandverby Жыл бұрын
I've made a video as well with the explanation a little more obvious, just click my silly face on the left to get to it.
@olegpovkh5581
@olegpovkh5581 Жыл бұрын
This is the hardest puzzle I have done, it took me 86 minutes, I'm so proud right now, thank you CtC, with out you I never would have even attempted it.
@christophejefferies522
@christophejefferies522 Жыл бұрын
Here's Mark's solve of the same puzzle: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/q33JeJZvfbSUb5I
@stevenape377
@stevenape377 Жыл бұрын
So, he did beat Mark's time :)
@Paolo_De_Leva
@Paolo_De_Leva Жыл бұрын
Thanks. I thought that KZbin automatically rejected comments containing links (except for *Wikipedia* links). P.S. Now I realized you can post KZbin links only if your comment is not a reply. What a questionable and annoying policy.
@RichSmith77
@RichSmith77 Жыл бұрын
​@@Paolo_De_LevaOh, I never knew that. I always wondered why some of my comments with links seemed to be deleted and others weren't. I agree, no rhyme nor reason for it.
@Paolo_De_Leva
@Paolo_De_Leva Жыл бұрын
@@RichSmith77 They don't even warn you. It's a very unpolite behaviour 😤
@Kyufoxy
@Kyufoxy Жыл бұрын
@@Paolo_De_Leva (Spam) links in replies can be added to the most popular comment and noone can prevent them from being attached to it. They will always stay at the top of the page. In their own comment thread on the other hand they can simply be ignored/downvoted (if that even does anything anymore) until they end up at the bottom of the page. Makes perfect sense to me why only replies are blocked. The Wikipedia thing however, idk lol That being said, there's always the option for the channel owner to allow all comments via the channel settings.
@stevieinselby
@stevieinselby Жыл бұрын
Having large digits *on* means that when you corner-mark a digit into a clued cage cell, the corner mark and the cage clue overlap and it can be hard to read the cage clue - having large digits *off* means that the pencil and corner marks are slightly smaller and so stay clear of the cage clues.
@jefffrank177
@jefffrank177 Жыл бұрын
And the thing is the digits aren't actually larger, they are just moved slightly more toward the center. This is a setting I think Sven should just remove and always have the corner marks more toward the center as in "large digits off" mode.
@CrankyOtter
@CrankyOtter Жыл бұрын
I just want corner marks to be right justified. It incompatibility messes with my brain when corner marks are on the left, in addition to covering cage clues.
@kevinthedood09
@kevinthedood09 Жыл бұрын
I love your channel and your content Simon and Mark, thank you!!!
@13vatra
@13vatra Жыл бұрын
My guess is that it's called polar attraction because you're able to pencil mark and distinguish between opposing digits in row and column 2 because of how the cages interact.
@jestfullgremblim8002
@jestfullgremblim8002 Жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@six_5000
@six_5000 Жыл бұрын
✏ 15 minutes of intense goodliffing 😵‍💫 45 minutes of clueless staring 💡 revelation!! 🌨 15 minutes of digits blizzard
@insttinct9083
@insttinct9083 Жыл бұрын
I have no idea how I found this channel but I'm glad I did, somehow every video is both relaxing and interesting. Great people, great videos, thank you :)
@JohnRandomness105
@JohnRandomness105 Жыл бұрын
Once I saw the 24 and 16 cages where they were located, I remembered solving this puzzle. After getting stuck a couple times, maybe breaking the puzzle a couple times, I used a math theorem to fill out those cages. I didn't prove they absolutely had to be, but they fit everything else I'd penciled. The theorem: 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 = 4² = 16 and 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 = 5² - 1 = 24. So I placed the odd numbers 1357 in the 16 cage and 3579 in the 24 cage, and finally solved it. I discussed it with the setter in the comments of a Smart Hobbies puzzle. However, this has to be easier than the puzzle I watched yesterday, a killer Sudoku by Phillip Newman. On the other hand, I was up until 6AM trying this puzzle the first time.
@CrankyOtter
@CrankyOtter Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this comment. I started playing with the numbers & there are lots of patterns in 4 consecutive odd numbers! where A+B+C+D are 4 consecutive odd numbers, find the square of the top placement (7=4th place) less the square of the missing placements (D+1)2 (A-1)/2 so A+B+C+D = [(D+1)2]^2 - [(A-1)/2]^2 & is also a multiple of 8 & = 4A +12
@JohnRandomness105
@JohnRandomness105 Жыл бұрын
@@CrankyOtter Nice!
@owenchrisfianwijaya4603
@owenchrisfianwijaya4603 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I feel like i got deja vu watching this video..... Edit: i just read the description, and it does confirm my deja vu. Great solve as always 😊
@andrewnelson2525
@andrewnelson2525 Жыл бұрын
I thought I was going crazy. I was sure I'd solved it before! (I looked the old video up and I solved it 30% faster this time.)
@inspiringsand123
@inspiringsand123 Жыл бұрын
Rules: 02:47 Let's Get Cracking: 03:32 Simon's time: 36m34s Puzzle Solved: 40:06 What about this video's Top Tier Simarkisms?! Three In the Corner: 1x (35:40) Maverick: 1x (00:23) And how about this video's Simarkisms?! Ah: 12x (05:38, 14:02, 14:14, 18:13, 19:05, 21:33, 22:12, 22:31, 22:50, 27:17, 35:45, 36:42) Sorry: 9x (00:27, 09:16, 09:44, 10:25, 11:21, 15:19, 19:44, 23:37, 24:09) Hang On: 9x (07:20, 13:36, 13:42, 13:46, 13:49, 17:00, 19:35, 27:47, 30:36) By Sudoku: 6x (06:23, 15:58, 18:26, 18:32, 19:15, 34:24) Clever: 4x (22:53, 27:29, 27:34, 38:12) Brilliant: 4x (00:31, 00:34, 38:47, 38:51) Pencil Mark/mark: 3x (11:04, 23:06, 23:11) Symmetry: 3x (16:33, 19:58, 20:08) Naughty: 2x (39:56, 39:58) Lovely: 2x (00:45, 29:58) Beautiful: 2x (18:37, 34:10) Fascinating: 2x (21:40, 38:08) Nature: 2x (28:43, 28:54) What on Earth: 1x (24:13) Goodness: 1x (31:05) What a Puzzle: 1x (37:25) Naked Single: 1x (35:45) Nonsense: 1x (25:23) Magnificent: 1x (21:33) In Fact: 1x (33:39) Obviously: 1x (05:24) Full stop: 1x (37:41) Whoopsie: 1x (34:20) Phone is Buzzing: 1x (19:50) Fabulous: 1x (30:30) That is Sick: 1x (27:26) Most popular number(>9), digit and colour this video: Sixteen (7 mentions) One (75 mentions) Green, Orange (30 mentions) Antithesis Battles: High (18) - Low (18) Even (4) - Odd (1) Black (5) - White (0) Column (12) - Row (8) FAQ: Q1: You missed something! A1: That could very well be the case! Human speech can be hard to understand for computers like me! Point out the ones that I missed and maybe I'll learn! Q2: Can you do this for another channel? A2: I've been thinking about that and wrote some code to make that possible. Let me know which channel you think would be a good fit!
@snouthlly1479
@snouthlly1479 Жыл бұрын
“7 minutes ago” This guy: I can watch and analyse this hour long video in 7 minutes.
@mickaelladouglas4373
@mickaelladouglas4373 Жыл бұрын
I love this bot lol 😂
@SiderealDay2356
@SiderealDay2356 Жыл бұрын
Mark's solve kzbin.info/www/bejne/q33JeJZvfbSUb5I
@snouthlly1479
@snouthlly1479 Жыл бұрын
@@mickaelladouglas4373 thats a bot? If bots are gonna do this I don’t mind them existing.
@williammorris7279
@williammorris7279 Жыл бұрын
I may be wrong, but I noticed there have been no birthdays recently, coinciding with a gokf tournament, which could mean this is pre-recorded, and that may be why we are seeing a duplicate puzzle. It seems to be a clue when he does not say the day of the week in his welcome. OK, maybe I am watching this channel too much! Golf, obviously, not gokf!
@longwaytotipperary
@longwaytotipperary Жыл бұрын
❤ the patchwork quilt and Simon’s reading the poem. Didn’t we get Simon reading/singing to us as part of the new puzzle book! Where are they in that?
@Igshar
@Igshar Жыл бұрын
A bit delayed on finding this, absolutely brilliant solve. I just wanted to point out an additional point of beauty in the final solution in that the entire puzzle is perfectly symmetrical, if you pair the opposite number pairs (1-9, 2-8, 3-7, 4-6, and 5 is symmetrical on its own) along the main negative diagonal from NW-SE. Coloring each pair the same color makes this become obvious once the solution is completed. Such a fun solve and such a great logic puzzle.
@maxx-er3fj
@maxx-er3fj 10 ай бұрын
I have seen that at the end. Almost all sets where you change coordinates becomes 10-first number. So A(x,y) is 10 minus B(y,x)
@psiphiorg
@psiphiorg Жыл бұрын
My time today was 48:48, and I was solver 969. I used low/middly/high coloring, then using letters to distinguish them (ABC=low, DEF=med, GHI=high), instead of every digit getting its own color. Ran into a bit of a glitch due to mistakenly swapping one low and one middly digit (row 2, columns 5/7). Had to backtrack a bit to find my mistake then put them the right way around. Fun!
@crystalgehrt8861
@crystalgehrt8861 Жыл бұрын
This was such a pretty puzzle. Just a wonderful use of symmetry, balance, and logic! Take a bow and have a piece of cake @Piatato
@awebmate
@awebmate Жыл бұрын
I struggled a lot with this puzzle when Mark published it, and i haven't forgot it. But cool to see Simon's take on the same puzzle. Yesterdays 4 star puzzle is easier than this 3 star puzzle imo. With little information you know where to look, while with more information, it is harder to spot what is relevant.
@andychou1069
@andychou1069 Жыл бұрын
If I remembered, this puzzle is solved by Mark on the other day. But I still find it interesting watching Simon solving this.
@alexstruijk8121
@alexstruijk8121 Жыл бұрын
Yes indeed, it was solved by Mark two months ago. Called "A Clear Ruleset and an Opaque Puzzle". But at least Simon did it a lot faster (about 15 minutes faster). Fun thing is, apparently there is only one way of solving it as they both did it the exact same way. Still loved watching it though. I always do, even though Simon often gets distracted and has to do the same logic over and over again and Mark somethings skips something and makes a mistake and 'wiggles' his way out of it. Never stop
@pacman52280
@pacman52280 Жыл бұрын
​@@alexstruijk8121, thanks for the info. I had wondered when/where Mark solved this because there was another comment on this video that mentioned it.
@SiderealDay2356
@SiderealDay2356 Жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/q33JeJZvfbSUb5I
@stevieinselby
@stevieinselby Жыл бұрын
When Mark posted the puzzle, I tried it and got stuck and gave up. This time I solved it in 45 minutes - while I didn't specifically remember that I had seen *this* puzzle before, as I did it the _logic_ around pinching the digits into HML felt familiar.
@titusadduxas
@titusadduxas Жыл бұрын
1:41:56 - I’m so chuffed to have completed this one unaided. I loved the link up between the 13 & 7 cages but struggled a bit to narrow the options down after that. Mind you when I started on this channel a year ago I wouldn’t have had a clue what to do!
@pg5200
@pg5200 Жыл бұрын
That was beautiful ! I had another different break-in : I saw that the addition of the two top right cages had to contain 1, 2 and 3, and that the addition of the two bottom left cages had to house 7, 8 and 9. Then I substracted respectively 6 and 24 to the totals and a bit of maths lead me to a difference of only 4 with one large digit on one side and one small digit on the other, therefore becoming forced 3 and 7. This one took me well over an hour to figure out ^^
@dilbert719
@dilbert719 Жыл бұрын
A wonderful solve in 49:58, that would have been much more efficient had I not spent what felt like hours, but must at least have been minutes, forgetting that once I knew the value of either C3R8-9, or R3C8-9, I could then remove basically every candidate from the other half of those boxes but the correct ones. (I felt like the sharpest bulb in the box when I realized there was only one suitable way to comprise those pairs of digits out of remaining candidates, let me say.)
@srwapo
@srwapo Жыл бұрын
63:36, terrible job. I was stuck working on the 16 and 24 cages, colored some cells in the corner as a "worksheet" to figure out that three of the cells in each cage had to be the same and the different cells had to be a 1 or 9. When I did the coloring, I picked a random color for the 456 cell and it led me down a horrible path for like 20 minutes before I realized the mistake. Seems like I wasn't able to solve in the last time this puzzle came up, so I guess I got better in the last two months!
@walrusahoy5878
@walrusahoy5878 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking “polar subtraction” due to the 1-9 deduction after the 24, 16 cage subtraction - amazing puzzle
@stevesebzda570
@stevesebzda570 Жыл бұрын
There, Simon (@4:09 - you wondering if the "large corner marks" should be turned-off). Yes, turn the large digits "off." The smaller corner pencil-mark there will enable you to see the cage total. Being you were asking.
@phuybrechts6875
@phuybrechts6875 Жыл бұрын
Hi , Simon .Nr 3 here , 5 in the corner needs NO song , thanks
@dannstarrjp
@dannstarrjp Жыл бұрын
The logic in 29’ was absolutely brilliant, I didn’t spot it and it took me 1.5h to solve the puzzle through trial and error😢
@Sam_weiqi
@Sam_weiqi Жыл бұрын
37:04 for me. Fully agree with the title. What a brilliant break in.
@happydommo
@happydommo Жыл бұрын
I knew I would love this puzzle just from the title of the video and it kept me occupied on a rainy camping trip. Looking forward to watching (both) the solve now....
@bait6652
@bait6652 Жыл бұрын
The fun part is to see how much u can solve w/o the given 6&9...once u work out theres common H/L, u can work most of the colormapping aside from 46 using the 2 adj dominos...very nice layout...discovering the common mid in the squares was nuts, only saw it on the second solve ...how he sees it without pen is crazy. Solving w/o 6 and 9 creates 2 systems of digits that cant be resolved without the 2 givens...nicely done Especially like the 2 squares could be 4 dominos 3 distinct pairs for 12 and 8 sums
@mrsawiggins
@mrsawiggins Жыл бұрын
Boxes 3 & 7 are polar opposite, and they both attract to box 1. :-) I definitely loved this one.
@fulltimeslackerii8229
@fulltimeslackerii8229 Жыл бұрын
that trick you did with the red being 9 can also be used with the 13 and 7 cage to get 2 and 8.
@crystalgehrt8861
@crystalgehrt8861 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes you wish you could give a puzzle two likes!
@watcher314159
@watcher314159 Жыл бұрын
I predicted the difference of 8 would disambiguate everything immediately upon starting the puzzle. Simon has done enough puzzles that resolve that way that it seemed pretty obvious. Actually proving it on the other hand...
@dragonflyer10000
@dragonflyer10000 Жыл бұрын
also something you didnt notice is that the two cages without numbers in the left corner every number added to 10 when paired with each other in the opposite side. so the bottom left and top right is a 4 6 pair adding to 10 overall.
@davidtieman4102
@davidtieman4102 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful Puzzle. There is symmetry around the diagonal with almost all opposite cells adding to 10. I colored the diagonal green, lower digits blue, higher digits red, the same digits purple, and the cells that are different yellow. Not sure if that was the reason for the name, or if the pattern was on purpose, but wonderful puzzle.
@michaelhoffman2011
@michaelhoffman2011 Жыл бұрын
Finished it but I have a very strong sense of deja vu. I feel like this puzzle has been on the channel before. Not complaining cause it is a very fun puzzle to figure out
@Raven-Creations
@Raven-Creations Жыл бұрын
That was sublime setting. I had essentially the same approach. I had expected the 8 cage in C9 to be crucial in the disambiguation, because it had to contain a 123, but that meant it contained either 56 or 7. I was expecting it to need a high digit. As it happened, it was the 16 and 24 that did all of the magic. A good solve from you today. I don't think I shouted once, although I couldn't understand why you resisted filling in the 6s in green for so long. I'm not sure if the 8 cage was required, or whether it was put there as a red herring. I do wish you'd stop using blue and purple, which are identical for colour-blind viewers, to "distinguish" two of the same class of digit. A blue 123 and a purple 456 would have been fine, but a blue 123 and a purple 123 just looks like two identical blue 123s. I really don't know how many times we have to ask you not to use blue and purple before the message gets through. It's not that they are difficult to tell apart, they appear identical. There must have been hundreds, if not thousands of comments requesting you not to do this, starting from when Sven first added colour to the app.
@Sam_weiqi
@Sam_weiqi Жыл бұрын
I assumed polar attraction was something to do with the 9's and 1's having to be as far apart as possible.
@longwaytotipperary
@longwaytotipperary Жыл бұрын
6 out of 9 times the 9 and 1 are next to each other, either horizontally or vertically. So maybe it’s opposite.
@piarittersporn
@piarittersporn Жыл бұрын
This is a very clever and adventurous puzzle and a good exercise for logical thinking. It took me a while to figure out the meaning of r1c1, r1c3 and r3c1 with the overlapping or common sums, but after that I was pretty quick on the way to the solution.
@Jesthers
@Jesthers Жыл бұрын
Had to watch to 28:16 to solve. I think this one was a little out of my skill level, but that's alright! Was still a wonderful puzzle to solve :D I had colored way more than Simon did, so maybe I need to get better at identifying what needs coloring vs what doesn't, but that's more an issue of me not knowing where to look in general. I don't think I'd have figured out that the 24-cage and the 16-cage share three digits and I even had those three digits colored already. Honestly just my bad for not really looking at that while trying to figure out placements of other colors.
@RichSmith77
@RichSmith77 Жыл бұрын
I managed to solve it 30 minutes faster than the previous time. This either means (a) I've improved more than I realised in just two months, (b) I attempted to solve it as I was falling asleep last time, or (c) my memory is a lot better than I thought.
@stevesebzda570
@stevesebzda570 Жыл бұрын
Lol. "You're memory is better than you thought." Funny. Do you know, I can remember seeing the Queen on television when I was 10, 11, or 12 ? And where I was standing (and all of my surroundings in that room). I remember the most unusual stuff lol (That's where I realized recently that the Queen made that "Maths" joke by the tutor) I remember the dumbest shyt, don't I.?! Lol 😮😂
@TheGamma009
@TheGamma009 Жыл бұрын
This puzzle took me about 73 minutes, but I loved every second of it. I broke in using set theory on rows 2 and 3 vs columns 2 and 3, combined with the orange/green logic you did in the video and some cage math, and that allowed me to pencil mark a bunch of 123's and 789's all over the place. Then it just turned into a lovely coloring puzzle.
@ElysaraCh
@ElysaraCh Жыл бұрын
at 34:20 that's actually a good point, the given 9 in the corner wasn't necessary for that step since 17 and 39 were removed from the cages by the row/column logic anyway. time to see if the 9 fixing the 39 pair in box 7 matters or not.
@jonbrowne
@jonbrowne Жыл бұрын
Absolutely stunning puzzle and a fabulous solve! Brilliant entertainment! Only CtC can do this!
@Poet13xRatedRKO
@Poet13xRatedRKO Жыл бұрын
31:20 for me. I needed about 25 minutes to get the first digits and suddenly everything else was done in just a few moments. I think I didn't have anything like this before.
@mrrobotman5299
@mrrobotman5299 Жыл бұрын
When I see videos that are under an hour I typically try to do the puzzle. I don't read the description or watch anything until I'm done and did that again here. The entire time I was saying to myself "this feels really familiar." Upon finishing I read the video description and now know why it felt that way.
@KalikiDoom
@KalikiDoom Жыл бұрын
The poem was marvellous at the end of it!
@Handel9000
@Handel9000 Жыл бұрын
I love Simon's eureka moments! 💡
@Gonzalo_Garcia_
@Gonzalo_Garcia_ Жыл бұрын
Well, I've obviously solved this one before. At least we get to see Simon and Mark solving the same puzzle!
@Orenotter
@Orenotter Жыл бұрын
Forgive me if I should lack tact But I must point out this one fact. Two sides the grid shows. One has highs, one has lows. And you saw how those cages attract. I do believe that is the origin of the title.
@jimwittes9275
@jimwittes9275 Жыл бұрын
Broke it by doing some 90 math. R3C2:4+R3C7+R4C3:4 had to equal to 37. Only way that would work is to place two 6s in C3 and C4. Then there are 3 remaining boxes in C3+C4 that had to equal 10 and 4,2,4 was the only possible combination.
@Arcessitor
@Arcessitor Жыл бұрын
That deduction at 29:00 is possibly my favorite in any puzzle ever.
@antibond
@antibond Жыл бұрын
Such a great puzzle! But if the right corner is a given 1 instead of 9, the puzzle solution is more symmetrical with each number’s counterparts (1/9, 2/8, 3/7, 4/6)!
@martinyyt
@martinyyt Жыл бұрын
This was a nice puzzle. I managed to get half way through before getting "stuck". Luckily (?) this puzzle is made for bifurcation. Which square in the 24 box was a 7 and which was an 8? I tried one and it worked. Total time was ~100 mins or a bit more (for figuring out how to get started). I'll have to watch the video(s) to see how to break the 78 logjam logically!
@juli29_pp
@juli29_pp Жыл бұрын
The title might be related with the great majority of the numbers at each side of the NW-SE diagonal being the 'oposites' (1-9, 2-8, 3-7, 4-6, 5-5)
@damarisparker7348
@damarisparker7348 Жыл бұрын
I think it's "polar opposites" because the two large cages are mirror number match images, if you know what I mean. Row 1 column 7 and Column 1 Row 7 are a 9/1 pair. Row 2, column 8 ad Coulumn 2 row 8 are a 6/4 pair. etc etc
@Drakemier
@Drakemier Жыл бұрын
I think it was called polar attraction because of the 2 unnumbered cages on "polar opposites" of the puzzle giving you all of that information in box 1. (Almost as if it was attracted to box 1?) Random guess, not sure.
@ewenfraser883
@ewenfraser883 11 ай бұрын
Consider the sum of columns c8 and c9 and the sum of cages 7,16,8 and the given 9 the remainder is 50 and so the 3 remaining digits in c9 sum to 5 more than the sum of the 3 digits in cages 7 and 16 in c8. Also the 3 digits in c9 of cages 7 and 16 must sum to 5 less than the c8 sum of the same cages. Sum r1c9 + r5c9 + r8c9 is 5 more than and sum r2c9 + r3c9 + r4c9 is 5 less than the sum of r2c8 + r3c8 + r4c8 Did anyone proceed on that basis?
@Urutsini
@Urutsini Жыл бұрын
I'd say "Polar Attraction" refers to one direction involving the high numbers and the other direction involves the low numbers.
@songstressx871
@songstressx871 11 ай бұрын
Him: I’m sorry about that. I think many of you will have gotten there miles before I did. Me, who was lost twelve seconds in and can’t even find what digits add up to 12: oh yeah for sure
@ВероникаГулыманова
@ВероникаГулыманова 11 ай бұрын
Extended color panel is very useful. 3 shades of green, blue and red can mark both low-mid-high sets and digits 1 to 9.
@MultiHaxzors
@MultiHaxzors 6 ай бұрын
My guess for why it’s called Polar attraction is that the 3 and 7 boxes are on polar opposite sides of the puzzle and their logic converges on the box they both influence, IE box 1, so their two logics in a way are attracted to box 1 creating said attraction from the two polar opposite corners!
@Coyotek4
@Coyotek4 Жыл бұрын
50:57 ... I forget how long it took me the first time, but I sure didn't remember much considering how long it took me this time. Nice puzzle!
@DarrenNakamura
@DarrenNakamura Жыл бұрын
Took me just over 100 minutes to solve. I got very stuck in the middle but powered through it and found the interesting logic.
@solarsystemwulf96
@solarsystemwulf96 Жыл бұрын
"I'm sure some of you got there miles ahead I'm sorry" *me mindlessly following along because I like hearing you talk out loud and don't understand in low brain bliss*
@mudscuffer
@mudscuffer Жыл бұрын
Got some early progress coloring the puzzle... and then got stuck for quite a while. 54:50 solve time in the end
@Deditzy.
@Deditzy. Ай бұрын
Well at least I could tell where the 9 in box 7 went before Simon questioned the use of the 9 in box 9! 😂😂😂😂
@bait6652
@bait6652 Жыл бұрын
This design layout and its kins makes u wish someone will come up w progressive variant similar to fog but instead giving hints in the form of given digits. See how far the authors can go before asking for digit(within an aloted time target)
@oddbarnett
@oddbarnett Жыл бұрын
Always disappointing when too many colors are being used, and I have to stop watching the video.
@Laezar1
@Laezar1 Жыл бұрын
wasn't this one already posted? I remember playing one with very similar logic
@ayannababii
@ayannababii Жыл бұрын
I got stuck after coloring in 2/3 of the puzzle. I did not think to look at the 16 and 24 cages.
@wanderlustwarrior
@wanderlustwarrior Жыл бұрын
47:23 for me. I made an error I was able to spot. I remembered we've done a puzzle with this exact geometry before.
@Wallopy_Joe
@Wallopy_Joe Жыл бұрын
Simon - "This 9 does nothing!" 3/9 pair on the left - "am I a joke to you?"
@debrawilden1971
@debrawilden1971 Жыл бұрын
(For me, there is no need to color all the digits. I'm with Mark in this that he gets rid of all the colors when they are no longer needed, cleans up the grid.)
@alyssaharger6992
@alyssaharger6992 Жыл бұрын
Every time he said “oh I got it” I was like “he finally saw the 9”… that was never what he was taking about
@romasteve7292
@romasteve7292 Жыл бұрын
would not have spotted 'the thing' but when you highlighted where it was I got there on my own, so kind of proud :)
@cjslayer5128
@cjslayer5128 Жыл бұрын
did anyone else notice the if you folded the sudoku across the top left and bottom right diagonal all the numbers the layer on top of each other equaled ten
@spenserthomas5450
@spenserthomas5450 Жыл бұрын
6 & 9 are flipped opposites, and also, 69… nice. Hence, Polar Attraction
@magicalawnmower4764
@magicalawnmower4764 11 ай бұрын
i think the polar thing are the starting digits being upside down versions of the other, thus being in different “poles”
@hayleymiddleton474
@hayleymiddleton474 Жыл бұрын
Yep, send some of them on a special vacation. You could then put up a statue for the rest to remember their sacrifice!!
@alanclarke4646
@alanclarke4646 Жыл бұрын
I went totally wrong and gave up. Edit: went back later and managed to solve it.
@PineappleDealer37
@PineappleDealer37 4 ай бұрын
I think its called polar attraction, because it's symetrical on a diafonal line
@marcosdiez7263
@marcosdiez7263 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure Mark has solved this several months (perhaps more than a year) ago.
@raysouth1952
@raysouth1952 Жыл бұрын
Lovely puzzle. Beautifully put together.
@AlexanderScholten
@AlexanderScholten Жыл бұрын
Fantastic, the 13 box green and orange was available for ages ;-)
@dannstarrjp
@dannstarrjp Жыл бұрын
Solved it but in double the time of Simon. Really struggled with this one 😢
@arifleischer8285
@arifleischer8285 Жыл бұрын
I love someone asking what is the 9 in the corner when there was a 39 pair it solved that had been there for sometime
@shteevuk
@shteevuk 10 ай бұрын
I could have *sworn* I've seen Mark solving this one..
@tehbertl7926
@tehbertl7926 Жыл бұрын
Really interesting puzzle. After doing the first three rows/columns the same way Simon did it (i.e. shading and getting pairs), I worked out some digits by doing some arithmatic and determining the orange digit in r1c1. (SPOILERS BELOW) If the orange digit were 6, then you would get 1-6 / 6-7 pairs for the 7 / 13 cages. However, this would create a 2-3 pair in the 16 cage (1 in grey knocks it out of the cage altogether), and make the high digit in that cage an 8 or 9 (there is one high digit in this cage, and it is yellow, not the "green" 7), meaning the last digit in this cage would also have to be a 2 or 3 which is not allowed by the rules. Similar logic works if the orange digit would be 4: 3-4 / 4-9 pairs in the 7 / 13 cages --> 7-8 pair + 1 or 2 in the 24 cage = another 7 or 8 needed to get to 24. As such, the orange digit has to be 5, paired with 2 and 8. There is then similar pleasing logic to work out which digits need to join the low digits in the 16 cage and high digits in the 24 cages, but I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader. :)
@RoderickEtheria
@RoderickEtheria Жыл бұрын
6:24, how does Simon rule out r5c2 for the location of r3c1 in b4? The reason it must be the case is if he looked at where r789c1 would have to go in b4, but he didn't ponder this before making his claim.
@jaeusa160
@jaeusa160 Жыл бұрын
He doesn't need to rule out r5c2 because r6c2 is the set point he's starting from. You're basically asking "How does he rule out r5c2 from being r6c2?" and that would be because both are in box 4... If you were starting at r3c1 trying to narrow it down, I can see the issue, but the logic is starting from r6c2. The logic he expressed was r6c2 must go in r8c3 or r9c3, so it goes in r123c1 somewhere. And 2 of those are green, and blue =/= green by b4 logic, so it's r3c1.
@stevenape377
@stevenape377 Жыл бұрын
The logic is the other way around. The blue colour is defined as the contents of r6c2, whatever it is. Simon then argues that that digit has to go in the 2x2 cage at the bottom of c3 (because it can't repeat in the cage nor in c2), and only then can the location of blue in box 1 be deduced.
@simonmoore8776
@simonmoore8776 Жыл бұрын
Simon proved that r6c2 must be in the 24 cage in box 7, therefore it could only be in r3c1 because it couldn't be green.
@jessetingle9055
@jessetingle9055 Жыл бұрын
110:42. I'm glad I stuck with it.
@sebijacobs4071
@sebijacobs4071 Жыл бұрын
Simon doesnt know that he has 27 colours to choose from 😅
@Kirbyfan87827
@Kirbyfan87827 Жыл бұрын
Finished in 15:59 by following along with the video.
@markmcb42
@markmcb42 Жыл бұрын
I am a bit confused about how Simon deduced that the blue 123 in box 4 R6C2 must match the 123 in box 1 R3C1. It seems possible that the blue digit in box 1 could be placed in box 4 R4C3, which would then allow that same digit to be placed in box 7 in R7C2.
@khoozu7802
@khoozu7802 Жыл бұрын
U think the wrong way, u should colour R6C2=blue, then look for blue cell in box 7, u can place it in R8C3 or R9C3 only, then by sudoku, the blue cell in box is located at R3C1 only
@tomkinsg
@tomkinsg Жыл бұрын
Loved it Simon and Mr piatato
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