Cracking The Cryptic: The Second Movie

MAD. MAD. MAD. These are the correct words with which to describe Undar Beyond's "Chaotic Wrogn" - undoubtedly one of the hardest puzzles we've ever tried to solve live. It nearly breaks Simon - for which he apologises.
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Rules: (Yes, these are MAD!)
Normal sudoku rules apply but in the final grid, every clue is wrogn (aka invalid)...
Clues are valid if: [Everything is "totally standard" Undar promises...]
-Digits in a killer cage sum up to the small clue in the top left of the cage;
-Clues outside the grid are correct X-sums. ie Clues show the sum of the first X digits in that direction where X is the 1st digit.
- Clues outside the grid are correct skyscraper clues. ie The digits in the grid represent the "heights" of skyscrapers. Clues represent the number of skyscrapers seen from that direction. Taller skyscrapers block shorter ones.
-Digits on a thermometer increase from the bulb end
-Digits separated by a black dot has a ratio of 1:2
-Digits separated by a white dot are consecutive
-Digits separated by X have a sum of 10
-Digits separated by V have a sum of 5
-All digits in a circle appear in the 4 cells touching it
-Maximum cells are larger than all 4 adjacent cells
Not all clues are necessary and some of them are just there to "throw you off".
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[@beyondundar8770]

Hey, to be fair you don't need to do this as a color sudoku (just imagine... red and blue cannot sum to yellow and orange) I don't know what to say, I'm just so glad the 2 skyscraper saved a movie to watch for all of us. I was wondering if you abandoned it for it was sent to you last year. Either way, thank you for trying my chaotic alien and a real congratulations for cracking it. Unfortunately, this should theoretically be the last puzzle I make being 17 for my upcoming public examinations in May, but I assure I will be back (with more chaotic monsters of course). This video sure is a good temporary farewell and the length does put a (totally not evil) smile on my face so thank you so much once again and let's see if I can keep the record for the longest (unabandoned) video until my return. And also, it's a Wednesday, so I'll type the logic path after school. Edit: Simon and I had near-identical logical paths, it was disclaimed that the puzzle was being pushed to the maximum difficulty (as always) when I published it to LMG, I must thank DiMono for coming up with the variant and helping to test the puzzle. There's really not much else to say, it was just fun spamming red herring nonsense into the puzzle afterwards (hope I didn't overdo that lol). Thank you Simon for solving it too, just incredible I must stress. And of course, everyone who tried or watched the solve. What variant / whose sudoku would you like me to mutate next? Comment and I might consider.

[@hedleybrowning5448]

Brilliant puzzle, well done mate. And at 17!

[@dibenp]

Great movie and a great puzzle 🧩 Thanks!

[@nadines.1107]

Genius! Loved watching this, great setting, bet it was fun to set it up!

[@pacman52280]

You know what I would consider to be a REAL challenge, not only for the solver, but the setter as well? If you, or anyone else, could make a puzzle in this genre, where every clue is wrong, where it has TWO solutions. One where all the clues are wrong, and all the same clues are correct, and finally, the version where all the clues are wrong is the EASIER of the two.

[@KalOrtPor]

This is definitely brutally hard, but at least if you are thorough with scanning, putting all the different rules together and keeping track of things, eventually the next step follows from the constraints and becomes evident as long as you keep looking. I think that's more fun than some hard puzzles where if there's some complex insight or trick based on the arrangement that you don't happen to spot, then no amount of scanning will get you anywhere. It took me more than 3 hours, but at no point did I feel impossibly stuck.

[@wildly3]

Simon : "Oh no, not doing it !" Also Simon : "I'm going to give it a few minutes." Also Simon : 88 minutes.

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

9:55 "Let's get cracking!" 10 minutes to deduct, that's 78 minutes to solve

[@nmgaro2156]

I thought the same, and i knew that Simon would solve it once he got the fisrt 2 or 3 digits and started the understand how all the rules work together. Then more digits appeared and BUM no way for Simon to abandon it

[@timdorr]

I like how Simon reacted to this puzzle the same way I respond to every other puzzle on this channel.

[@kimberlypreston6204]

I made a similar comment. How Simon felt today is how I feel solving the normal daily puzzles on this channel. AND I take longer. lol

[@Urroner]

I feel the same way, but Simon finished the puzzle, whereas I just...

[@aaronfuzion]

Came hear to say this. I really love to watch him struggle and try anyway even tho he doesn't think he wants to

[@kaugh]

0:39 for the hilarious reaction. I might just have to snag it as a sound bite. Perfect comment Tim.

[@virtualrunni4873]

i liked the way, he was determined not to do it.....and 9 mins odd later, hes started!

[@Wecoc1]

This one looks worse than me in the morning.

[@HunterJE]

It's a testament to Undar Beyond's setting that this puzzle managed to keep Simon convinced he's about to have to quit while never quite blocking him enough for that to actually happen for so long

[@HunterJE]

Also brilliantly sinister to put in that trap for anyone thinking "a two-cell thermo is really just a reversed thermo," good on Simon for catching even after the fatigue of being an hour in to the solve

[@beyondundar8770]

@@HunterJE yeah, it was intended and DiMono fell for that as he tested the sudoku.

[@Tony_Regime]

@@beyondundar8770 absolutely genius setting. my hat is off to you sir

[@leickrobinson5186]

@@beyondundar8770 It’s just like in math: the opposite of “greater than” is *not* “less than”, it’s “less than *or equal to*“. :-D

[@masheroz]

Would it be possible to set a wrogn puzzle where there is a unique solution for the wrogn clues and if the clues were correct?

[@antalbojtos4413]

" It nearly breaks Simon - for which he apologises." I mean he apologises when he is 2 minutes slower than the world class time, so this is nothing new. Never change Simon, we love you.

[@nadines.1107]

2 minutes slower but explaining every step in baby steps so even we get it. And still apologizes.

[@ronjohnson6916]

I wouldn't have believed I could get so much joy from watching somebody solve sudoku. Just the sheer enthusiam. Look! Look!

[@nadines.1107]

@@ronjohnson6916 when youtube suggested one of those videos to me I thought that must be the most boring thing ever. Watching someone solve a sudoku. I was curious to see how weird that would be and how stupid I would feel. But i was hooked instantly. I do feel stupid a lot though, haha. But it is so entertaining to watch, and Simon's enthusiasm is just the best!

[@MLWJ1993]

@@nadines.1107 You're not alone actually. I thought so too just before covid19 hit the world, now it's at least a weekly watch 😆

[@EmptyMind32]

If Mark's video tomorrow isn't a revenge puzzle from Simon, we can safely assume that Mark couldn't solve Simon's revenge puzzle.

[@YorkshireLen]

"No, no, no. I'm not doing this one" Ron Howard v/o, "In fact Simon spent the rest of the night doing that one"

[@darkestdawn7371]

Lovely Arrested D. reference!

[@wren4077]

LOL

[@Patterner]

@@darkestdawn7371 isn't it usually "Narrator" and not the name? (it's been a while) Narrator: it is. for both.

[@BarginsGalore]

@@Patterner I think the name was specified to make it a clear arrested development reference

[@AlRoderick]

In a world... Where normal sudoku rules apply... One man will prove them all wrogn. This January, only on KZbin, Cracking the Cryptic: The Movie: The Sequel.

[@russellbarnett7606]

Cracking 2: Electric Boogaloo

[@alibabapirce9782]

that only looks like part one :D wait for part 2 :P

[@FireSiku]

No no no, it cant be the sequel, it has to be The Movie: The End of the Trilogy. Otherwise this will be consecutive with the first movie and therefore not wrogn! If you put the 2nd movie as the 3rd part of a trilogy, then everything breaks!

[@cv507]

Carry ön€ wear prouD öff U ^^

[@manusideas]

ml Polo lol plop lm p my PlayStation l poop 💩 P

[@mxtchxll]

This sequel doesn’t even bother to follow the same storyline as the first one!

[@Patterner]

I blame Professor Plum

[@buzzly108]

Completely goes off script, and the not a single character or plot point was believable. Utter bobbins!

[@ericjones3692]

They always feel the need to escalate in the sequel

[@Patterner]

@@buzzly108 so: "bad grief"?

[@chaotix37]

We need a lore for this

[@DipanGhosh]

Oh poor Simon... This one nearly did him in at the start there. This is the first time SImon has asked us to try the puzzle sarcastically...

[@jakebleiweiss1264]

Me watching Simon solve the puzzle: See's every move minutes before he does and think I'm a genius. Me trying to do the puzzle myself: Stares blankly at the screen for 30 minutes before returning to the video...

[@sly1024]

Yeah, right? Same here. :)

[@andreapatacchiola1184]

I can proudly say I would have put the 1 and 9 in box 1. Aaaaaand that's it.

[@SharkHuh]

Probably some bias when watching because while he spots 5 moves you don't spot, you spot 1, and you stay fixated on that 1 you spotted. When doing it on your own, you find none because you never get to the point where you can spot that 1 deduction

[@knicks3311]

Got three or four deductions in a row ahead of Simon while watching so I thought "screw it," got out the laptop and tried to finish and got exactly nowhere after that. Calling shots from the bleachers is a completely different experience from actually solving.

[@ryanmuller9497]

I'd say a big part of it is because Simon's intuition about where in the puzzle to look is often spot on (often preceded by "that [feature of the puzzle] looks suspicious"), but he doesn't always immediately spot what to do once there. So, once he's pointed out where to look, it's entirely possible to spot the next move before he does but, if he hadn't pointed out to look there in the first place, there's every chance you'd never have spotted the move. Often the hardest bit is to work out where in a puzzle to even be looking; once there, it's often just a matter of time before you find out what to do there.

[@eliasrosebud1745]

57:18 "Look at this V clue" "Oh?" "It's doing NOTHING." "Oh..."

[@razirahman7972]

also the 1-9, 9-1 at the bottom. wonder how angry he would be to see the 1-9,9-1 on the left vertical.

[@samus88]

Everyone: "The 30-cage has a 4567 quadruple, so it can't have an 8 as it makes 30". Simon: "The 30-cage means the cells outside of it can't sum to 15 so there can't be a 2 outside of it". I love SImon.

[@hugobouma]

When the puzzle has only negative constraints, no wonder the reasoning will start to go backwards

[@jothki]

This kind of reminds me of how Simon always responds to one side of a pair being forced by marking the other side down first. It works out to the same thing in less than a second, but it still bothers the part of my mind that wants to see everything done in order.

[@danielrhymer1762]

Tbf, that was how I did it because of the way the low digits seemed more important early on and therefore, 15 outside the cage being wrogn was easier than 30 inside,

[@kindlin]

@@danielrhymer1762 The simplest logic is: a quadruple in a 5 cell box defines the last cell.

[@danielrhymer1762]

@@kindlin I know what that way round means but you have a completely different mindset physically solving it compared to watching a video

[@TheokeS85]

22:12 Simon: “I haven’t got a clue...” Everyone else: “Welcome to our reality! This is how we mortals feel every time you crunch through an “approachable” puzzle...”

[@asbjrnfossmo1589]

On the other hand, he has an abundance of clues ;)

[@francoisduez601]

Simon : "Have a go." Me, after 2 milliseconds of reflexion : "Hum... NO!"

[@Urroner]

Not NO, but HELL NO!!!

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

That long? I made up my mind about that just from the thumbnail image...

[@razirahman7972]

9:27 the way he says "have a go" 3 times sounded like "why should I suffer alone?"

[@jcbohn3981]

I was looking for this comment

[@xaviarthunders4894]

Simon, you could take two hours and the VAST majority of us would watch each second intensely. Huge cheers to you.

[@robertprior9964]

These days 2 hour + puzzles are almost the norm for Simon

[@slyrarejam]

this puzzle looks like a crime scene i love it

[@DiMono]

Well, here we go. Enjoy! I actually tested this one before Undar Beyond sent it in. It was incredibly fun, and I fell for a trap at one point. I hope you all enjoy it even a fraction of how much I did! P.S. That 469 circle in the bottom left is the hero we need right now.

[@dudbike]

How long did it take you?

[@DiMono]

@@dudbike The first version took me about 2 hours, and then I solved the second version in about 40 minutes because I knew most of the logic.

[@BigAsciiHappyStar]

I'm pretty sure that trap must be the 1-1 thermo :)

[@beyondundar8770]

@@BigAsciiHappyStar Bingo

[@PurpleSidewalk1]

I fell into the same trap! It took me so so long to see why it was wrogn as well (and not in the good way)

[@garanceadrosehn9691]

This is what you get for making fun of when Mark starts out a thermo by putting in all the possible values in the thermos. 🙂

[@prahas777]

That's right! I forgot -- insta-karma.

[@arijitrox123]

which video was that in? can u send me the link please ?

[@mxtchxll]

Nice to see that Mark made an appearance in this premiere, we needed an antagonist

[@BenFromOhio]

"It must be tedious watching me struggle through this." No, this was wildly entertaining. I don't usually watch CC for the giggles, but this made me laugh! Well done!

[@MeriaDuck]

Add to it Mark solving 'This will not be Simon's revenge' made my week.

[@ericmoringe]

Me in the beginning: "I will probably not finish this video without skipping through parts of it." *1 ½ hour later without any skipping* Me: "Is it already over!?" This was pure entertainment to watch. I was blown away by the looks of it and I'm just fascinated that anyone could solve it at all. Fantastic Simon!

[@AaronChmelik]

There's something about the format. Even in the silence, you get to experience "Simon's Paradox": Is Simon going to find the simple logic you've been yelling at the screen about, or is he going to school you with the insane logic he's found?

[@MrPataraga]

@@AaronChmelik This is a beautiful and dreadfully underrated comment, that's how I feel 99/100 watching Simon solve sudoku's after I give them a try

[@Tankorr]

What I truly love about this puzzle is that it's actually approachable - and I say that without any of Mark's trademark trolling! I have always been deterred to try some of the harder puzzles that you have masterfully solved because it involves some obscure algebra or geometry to initiate the crack, but this one is a pure path of constraints that helps direct the flow and keeps the pacing very consistent. You really had to keep on your toes throughout the entire thing, whereas in other sudoku's, as you solve the majority of the puzzle, you can just apply normal sudoku rules and just blitz through the remainder once you have most of the numbers. This was an absolute delight. Bravo to you and bravo to the wunderkind, Undar Beyond, for crafting this monstrosity!

[@hannukiii3303]

Me, turning this on before sleeping to get my mind out of the daily stress... Couldn't know that this would turn into a thriller...

[@SaraKoren]

Love sarcastic Simon! Made my day. The "nonono, im not doing this" is exactly me every time I look at my class notes.

[@Zarzas980]

Im gonna make popcorn for this one

[@57thorns]

I was starting to feel tired, popcorn, sofa and TV (with this on) sounds about right. No need to try to solve it myself.

[@Patterner]

the legendary night when the complete strategic popcorn reserve disappeared

[@57thorns]

@@Patterner Incidentally I did use up the last of my popcorn, and I have done the shopping for this week already. I hope for shorter and easier puzzles until I can refill.

[@Anne_Mahoney]

I'm like: an hour and a half? no way, gotta get up for an early meeting; well, let's have a look. Paused video at 31 minutes and, yeah, made popcorn. Worth it.

[@leporid257]

oh that's a great idea!!

[@PuzzleQodec]

Your persistence is an example to all of us. I'm in awe.

[@jaeusa160]

@49:25 "This a 30 cage!" Ah neat he noticed he can't put an 8 in the 30 cage or it will be correct. "That means the cells outside the cage cannot sum to 15!" I... but... yes, it's true... but...

[@serebix3685]

To be fair, I had the outside figured out before I could go for the 30 too. It was a dead giveaway after he had the two pairs (2-8, 1-9).

[@mmmtastyalidzie2435]

literally my exact thought process lol

[@RilianSharp]

+

[@rayfeverthekingofunluckers5637]

There's a saying in Russian "Eyes are scared, but hands are doing". Exactly hapenned here. I got a lot of pleasure watching this video! Thanks

[@igronus]

I often use this phrase to beat my procrastination.

[@hai-mel6815]

How would the phrase be in russian?

[@rayfeverthekingofunluckers5637]

@@hai-mel6815 Глаза страшатся, а руки делают, if it helps 😅

[@hai-mel6815]

@@rayfeverthekingofunluckers5637 Спасибо, я изучаю русский язык 😁😁

[@ilyaromanov7265]

@@rayfeverthekingofunluckers5637 Даже загуглил, действительно ли есть такой вариант. Оказывается, есть. В быту всегда встречал только "глаза боятся, а руки делают".

[@jvcm8649]

yes the 1111 clue is definitely the key to the puzzle 😌

[@unbekannter_Nutzer]

Maybe it's a binary written 15? What I'm missing in this puzzle is a knights move constraint. And diagonals - why don't we get nice diagonals?

[@sportsjefe]

So in Age of Empires II (still going strong after all these years), the in game taunt for laughter is "11". In that context, the puzzle begins by literally laughing at you. (You can tell how funny something is in an AOE II chat by the number of 1's they type in the box)

[@razirahman7972]

@@unbekannter_Nutzer i don't think a knights move constraint would work in "wrogn" puzzle. would it?

[@unbekannter_Nutzer]

@@razirahman7972 You're right. It would need some modification - maybe one cell per box needs a knights move violation.

[@Varksterable]

I interpreted "every clue is wrogn" litterally. So that even 'normal sudoku rules apply' has to be wrogn. So I just filled in the entire grid with the digit 2. Then I realised I needed a 3 in R1 and R9 because of the skyscraper clues. And one in R4C8 because of the x-sum. So basically, even if you utterly cheat, it's still not trivial even then! My fastest solve so far.

[@Krysstof]

00:01 - Simon not doing it 11:00 - Simon doing it after 11 minutes of "no I won't do it"

[@jhc1979]

I found it quite inspirational that you wanted to give up, but then finished it! So take it from me, a random stranger: Give yourself more credit for an incredible solve!

[@Bobbieness]

Thoroughly enjoyed this movie. Mind boggling, brain breaking, breathtaking, but also hilarious with multiple laugh-out-loud moments. Entertainment factor 10/10. We had a few packets of crisps, some tangerines and a couple of ginger beers and had a lot of fun watching Simon struggle. Probably wouldn't re-watch any time soon but still, loved it. Thanks, Mark and Simon :p

[@notnek12]

How anyone can construct a puzzle like this is mind boggling. Utter genius.

[@StewartyMac]

Gonna go out on a limb here and suggest the setting of this type of puzzle will be far easier than the solve. As the finished solution is no more than a normal sudoku puzzle, it would be case of finding a completed puzzle, then building in the false constraints. Be a lot easier to find bits that can't be a constraint than those which would, if that makes sense. However, the sheer volume of them would still make it a tricky set. Good work nonetheless.

[@Deathranger999]

@@StewartyMac I think you might be oversimplifying a tad. Anyone could add in constraints that are wrogn, but to add in just the right wrogn constraints that lead to a solvable puzzle with such a tight logical path? That’s where the real genius comes in.

[@fussyboy2000]

I'd guess you'd start with the numbers round the outside and see if they gave you a way in. The just keep adding constraints to build a logical solve path...

[@brucecarter8960]

""That's the most useless place the seven could have gone." We've all been there.

[@tstacey2000]

1:27:12 FWIW Simon, it was only a minute between you placing the 9 that allowed you to resolve the left eye thermo and you resolving it, which is pretty quick for this puzzle

[@tricia1072012]

Although it could have been resolved a little sooner. If both digits on the thermo had been 2s, it would have left the 3/6 pair that Simon had commented needed to be avoided. He's such a star making us mere mortals feel vaguely competent.

[@bertbergers9171]

@@tricia1072012 jip! i saw that to, just as he commented about the 2-2 being an option on that diagonal thermo, he says the 3-6 must not be. I am starting to think he (and Mark aswell) are doing some of these hover-overs/commenting on clues thingies on purpose to make us feel good :P

[@altcommand]

I was losing my mind watching him berate himself for not noticing the eye was resolvable when literally the most recent thing he did in the puzzle was make it resolvable.

[@timbates6309]

I can just envision Mark relaxing in his easy chair, munching on a bag of popcorn, watching you suffer, and then screaming NOOOOOO..., spewing popcorn everywhere, when you spotted those naked singles.

[@Ian_Hay]

“Oh good - another CTC puzzle. I’ll give it a try now....” “On second thought, I’ll save this one up for that long prison stretch.”

[@marcospinelli4277]

Am I gonna watch 1.30hs of a man solving a sudoku? Of course

[@Chadwicktrumpet]

Every time and enjoy the whole time too

[@guitoo1918]

- "Today's sudoku was sponsored by Aspirin!"

[@ilanknafo]

Best movie I've seen this year

[@pengwyn1]

Absolutely brilliant, Simon. Kudos for your perseverance and mental stamina during that marathon of a puzzle. I’ve become thoroughly addicted to your daily solves. Thank you for helping to keep us all slightly more sane (or less insane?) during CovidTide.

[@crimsonpenguino4406]

You still managed to solve this faster than I manage to solve classic sudoku puzzles. Great video!

[@cerberusthethird]

"I will give it a few minutes." well... 90 technically counts as a "few" i reckon...

[@ashemaclean5545]

Nonsense, everything in 'wrogn" so he's actually correct XD

[@danielpatriarca6096]

All that is left needed: a Phistomefel Variant of this~

[@tabularasa0606]

roflmao

[@wariolandgoldpiramid]

Oh goodness! That would be madness!

[@thecommexokid]

Instructions: Every clue is wrogn. Looks at puzzle: There are only 3 clues.

[@eternalblasphemy6526]

This desperately needs a setter's video. How on Earth do you set up puzzle like this? It's just astonishing.

[@beyondundar8770]

Well first you think of a breakin by staring at the grid for 1 hour, implement and test it with 7~8 hours, then you complete the rest and spam red herrings with all evil laughter. Thanks you the compliment too :)

[@hunghung9537]

The first time i saw simon said "let give it 10 minute trying" is the first Miracle sudoku.

[@Fogmeister]

31:30 “how do we get more info on the 1s and the 9s?” He says while hovering over the 9 with the X on the cell.

[@elliejordan3233]

Okay, you cannot convince me otherwise on this: the smile in the sudoku puzzle looks exactly like the Grinch in the original animated one. You can’t change my mind on this, it is just simply true in my mind

[@owlman145]

When you also realize the smile was a useless clue and just put there to complete the face, just how evil can this puzzle get?

[@cyberdragonzekrom6790]

So this is what my mom sees when she sees me doing a normal sudoku.

[@jelain3917]

I was wondering why Simon posted late.

[@nadines.1107]

Now next time he posts late we will hope for another movie!

[@corgidoori4229]

Mark’s video tomorrow: Simons revenge part 2

[@f.b.jeffers0n]

"I will give it a few minutes" is a perfect start to a video that is over an hour!

[@Sahjhan]

This basically a "Rocky" movie: Overwhelming odds. Some self-doubt. Hanging in there. Slowly getting better. Taking the damage, but never quitting. Building up steam -while the music rises-. And finally, at the very end, drilling in numbers like lefts and rights in order to knock the seemingly unbeatable opponent out in the final round.

[@kamalidimock8726]

Excellent analogy

[@jroemling]

At 1:26:18 you apologize for having stared at the 2-3 thermometer for at least 5 minutes, which is incorrect because you ruled out the 9 from the bulb less than a minute prior!

[@philm5872]

"Do have a go.." Do I detect a hint of sarcasm?

[@wokkawicca]

3:00 ... as in 3 hours. Took so long to finish I forgot how I started. The repeated-1 thermo was a particularly savage trick. Undar B should get a medal, then be made to apologize to everyone :-D

[@beyondundar8770]

DiMono actually feel for that trick when he was testing it. Anyways, a big congratulations and well done on solving the puzzle, I hope you enjoyed it too :)

[@eratosthenesieve]

What a treat, to have your name read out on a video like this! I replayed the intro to my kids, they loved having their names on the video too! :) Came for the shout-out, stayed for the insanity that is this puzzle. Well done Simon, I loved how this video went from "No, I'm not doing it" to eventually finding great joy in the simple process of painstakingly eliminating pencil marks one at a time. I loved the thrill ride this puzzle became!

[@Moolers]

This is my favorite puzzle out of the 100+ I've solved. It's very challenging, but not in a frustrating way and I love how every single cell except one has something going on in it. It's just a lot of fun.

[@jasonbrown4739]

My favorite video so far. The slower speed actually helped me as a new solver. I was forced to think in different ways throughout, not just as you explained your deductions, but as I tried to find answers myself within the wild anti-ruleset. A lot of times the quick solves are naturally entertaining but can also be restricting to new viewers who are still learning terms or strategies. This puzzle had just about everything you need to really understand how to solve a variant sudoku. Congrats on the great solve and excellent video!

[@Eekdaddy]

Thanks for this, it's a welcome respite since over here in America we only get to deal with "sudokus" (pseudocoups)

[@akhos9876]

Its a very bad thing that happened but holy crap this is a funny one

[@akhos9876]

Its a very bad thing that happened but holy crap this is a funny one

[@uncluckable6535]

Well played

[@Eekdaddy]

This American variant has too many killer cages

[@Eekdaddy]

And a concerning number of Neins

[@marryof995]

1 min. in, and just by looking at the puzzle, i feel like you'll need a PhD just to unterstand the rules.

[@ragnkja]

Either that or you typically do well enough on IQ tests that Mensa would accept you as a member.

[@petemagnuson7357]

Understanding them is relatively easy IMO, if you've watched a couple videos and have a bit of familiarity with symbol convention. Applying the rules and making deductions is a whole other beast tho...

[@marryof995]

Well i did say just looking at the puzzle ^^ hadn't seen the rules yet.

[@frmjewduhh]

I loved the Wrogn rule set so much that I wanted the try the next one that popped up on the channel. So Imagine my face when I saw it was an hour and a half solve for Simon. I still wanted to tackle it but I needed Simon to get me started (especially not knowing what an x-sum clue was). So I paused the video with the first 4 digits in and went on my way. I took the better part of a day of grinding on this monster but I got it. Every digit and deduction felt like a monumental accomplishment. Thank you to the puzzle makers and for the great channel and great apps. I need to rest my brain now.

[@beyondundar8770]

Congratulations and well done! I'm glad you enjoyed the puzzle :)

[@burhankocaslan4510]

it is so funny...basically, everything I know about advanced sudoku is from this channel, which I'm following for the last few months. I just caught myself shouting at Simon and laughing at min 47, to sum up the cells of cage 30 in box 3. to find out where the 2 goes

[@eternalblasphemy6526]

And I also like the way he practically found a naked single 5 mins later (r2 c4 "5" because it couldn't have been r3 c5 and 6, as one of it is occupied by four) but wasn't managed to get it and started with the skyscraper instead to get it.

[@seanmcdonough2683]

It might be torture for you, but the longer videos are easily my favorite. Do not worry at all about ever taking too long.

[@Typhlosionist]

I love the mental gymnastics regarding whether or not this video would happen

[@DNXTMaster]

160 minutes. I am so proud of sticking with it all in a single sitting. I was about to take a break after staring at the grid for what felt an like eternity before everything fell apart after realizing I had yet to satisfy the 4 skyscraper clue

[@elenas.2433]

The thermo-face looks like the Grinch and I can‘t unsee it.

[@peateargryfin844]

Undar Beyond: What type of sudoku puzzle should I make today Also Undar Beyond: Yes

[@bregghaines1656]

My favorite video on the channel. Phenomenal solve, awesome logic, Simon going crazy. I love it

[@TigressUnicorn]

I love occasionally coming back to this one and seeing Simon load the puzzle...his "no, no, no, I'm not doing this" puts a smile on my face every time as I know slowly but surely he made his way through. Lovely puzzle that I have attempted, with Simon's help of course, and still it takes me hours and hours!

[@ryang4335]

"If you have a spare 5 minutes you should be able to rattle it off." Hahahahaha!!

[@EzraBradford]

This is one puzzle where it would be very nice to be able to mark clues as "used" so they fade out and let you focus on the "unused" clues.

[@mattBLiTZ]

The two Wrogn puzzles are easily the funniest two videos on the channel, and easily in my top 10 overall including the classics like the first Miracle video and other beastly genius puzzles. Such a wonderful mix of joy, disbelief, frustration, and so on. Imagine creating this monstrosity where even removing a single pencil mark for a digit that has a ton of other candidates in a box can be that exciting! The novelty is not at all compromised with this spiritual successor, and expands with its own branch of chaos to what was already a seemingly perfect original puzzle. Wow.

[@pacman52280]

Pac-Man RULES! Liked your comment simply because of your channel icon.

[@ZaerothUrabe]

I've started my solving career some days ago, and today I managed to finish this INCREDIBLE puzzle in almost 3 and a half hours. It's an absurdly long time, but I'm proud of having seen it to the end!

[@jonathanharsh7434]

Hold on, I just started the video, and I was the first person to solve the hunt? Wow. I...was not expecting that. I have school things, but I'll get back to this puzzle later. Looking forward to it.

[@emanharoon4926]

1:12:15 “thats the most useless place a 7 can go” 😂😂😂😂😂

[@soremekun]

More impossible puzzles by Undar Beyond, please! This is absolutely amazing. Amazing solve. Simply amazing.

[@mnbhr2144]

I really enjoyed that long video thanks to Undar Beyond for that mind breaking puzzle, thanks for Mark for pushing Simon out of his comfort zone and thanks for Simon for his hard work.

[@beyondundar8770]

You're welcome

[@eschrock2]

Simon: "Have a go" Me: Looks at 1:28:24 video length Also me: "No thanks, I've got stuff to do tomorrow"

[@eschrock2]

And two days later I've solved it. Curse you, Undar.

[@kimberlypreston6204]

Simon, How you felt doing this puzzle is how I feel every time I try to solve your daily puzzles and it takes me longer than you did on this one. BUT this one was fun to watch. Loved it!

[@aloysiuskurnia7643]

Me watching thumbnail, thinking to myself "huh a puzzle as gimmicky like this must solve pretty quickly for video content" then I saw the video length and screamed HOLY FISHING SHIP

[@aarond6131]

This is quite possibly my favorite puzzle posted on this channel yet. Don't let length scare you off, this was AMAZING

[@jay1724]

When he called Todd a naughty boy, I nearly damn fell out of my seat, that was... utterly savage.

[@kenmolinaro]

Don't know what Simon's problem was with the puzzle. I was done with it in under 10 minutes. Can't imagine why he didn't also give up that quick!

[@splode7414]

*standing ovation* and please, please don't apologise for the length of the video, or for your utterly amazing solve of this. Quite extraordinary, and an hour and a half of extremely pleasurable viewing in awe of your ability to figure out the start and then persist in the face of so brutal a puzzle.

[@mitchintime2301]

This puzzle really helps exemplify the talented setters in the puzzle community as well as the talent that Simon (and Mark) possess in keeping us entertained throughout the entirety of the solve. I ended up watching the entire video in one sitting due to constantly being engaged by Simon and the puzzle. I didn't realize 88 minutes have passed by until after the video was over. Bravo to CTC and Undar Beyond.

[@beyondundar8770]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the puzzle :)

[@mightworth3735]

"Let me know in the comments wether you solved this..." Haha, that was a good one!

[@TheGerkuman]

Well, now no-one on the CTC discord channel can get at me for using too many rules in one puzzle! :D

[@lucastan17]

Check the pinned comment

[@YouTuberdeAnime]

Woww! 90 minutes? Based on the dmono puzzle? That was the most beautiful one i've ever seen. Of course i'll watch this

[@vfigplays]

what a stunning puzzle! the interplay of all the different clues ruling things out one by one was like a variety bag of negative constraints strewn across the grid and yet forming a logical whole. just beautiful!

[@MidnightSnack]

I would love to see them do a live solve and interact with the community.

[@hugobouma]

They're already apologising for missing things that they should've spotted, imagine adding the backseat gaming of your average Twitch channel. Not a great idea

[@MissMaraJoy]

You know when you see a movie in theaters and you walk out feeling like a new version of yourself? This puzzle-- this MOVIE-- has the same effect :p

[@trent7670]

I could hear the waver in Simon's voice at the end. A mixture of pure dread and relief.

[@esyrim]

That 30 cage in box 3 was so satisfying!

[@FranK-bp1do]

don't apologize for giving us extra long content! :)

[@Playmaker6174]

Simon: “do have a go for this one” Me: I think... nah, I’ll have a rest after reading the rules

[@terryhobbs2038]

Oh, goodness. That was a pleasure to watch. Not because you struggled, because you persevered.

[@chipsounder4633]

whenever i feel a bit depressed , this channel always puts a smile on my face . understanding the logical paths is amazingly helpful towards not only solves but mathematics/geometry then add the fact that simon has an occasional play of the guitar totally calms my soul! i would love to feature one day on this amazing channel and maybe mark or simon can have a go at solving one my crazy interpretations of a x sudoku/thermo/xv/kropki/circled numbers/skyscrapers/killer/little killer/odd-even/sandwich/hidden pentomino-tetromino/palindrome.