CRASHED a Supposedly "Beginner Friendly" RC HELICOPTER - Eachine e160 - TheRcSaylors

[@TheRcSaylors]

Check out the Eachine e160 RTF rc heli here: ban.ggood.vip/UthH I have seen several videos that have branded this rc helicopter as "easy to fly" and beginner friendly, so I wanted to give the Eachine e160 RTF rc heli a look for myself. With some helicopter experience, I should be able to fly this if it is as beginner friendly as what people are saying......... Let me know your thoughts on this rc helicopter in the comments. Disclosure: This description box contains affiliate links. Check out the Eachine e160 RTF rc heli here: ban.ggood.vip/UthH The products in this video are rated for ages 14+.

[@secondopinion53]

What type of Transmitter do you have?

[@McS1110]

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[@secondopinion53]

@@McS1110 Thanks

[@donaldlee9761]

@BG RC Toys 👍

[@Average_Bruh]

Hey Nate and Abby. There is an inexpensive RC Basher that I would really love to see you guys take for a bash at the Hill and do a little review of. It's the Survivor ST 1:12 4WD Truggy.

[@umbratherios5614]

that's why I love this channel. you guys are just... HONEST. its awesome. the same thing happened with my JYU Hornet 2 drone. pitched forward, it flipped forward, and the gyro thought that while it was upside down, it was upright, so no matter what, it tried to keep itself upside down while racing down to the ground. needless to say, it ended in pieces. these malfunctions are PAINFUL

[@Brokenwing-gm1eg]

it didn't malfunction, you went negative pitch and slammed it to the ground

[@ramsandrzr3706]

The E1 60s definitely have a glitch to them this is not the first time I’ve seen them just dive bomb and crash to the ground I have one myself and it does it every couple of battery packs there garbage

[@Brokenwing-gm1eg]

@@ramsandrzr3706 He switched in and out of beginner mode and it wont go back in. Its bad programming but not a malfunction. Go buy the OMP M2 it has better programming, ten times better heli. you can set it up how ever you want it. Mild or bada_ _! the downfall is it will hit you in the pocket!

[@ramsandrzr3706]

@@Brokenwing-gm1eg I appreciate it I have looked at the OMP explore I come to find out it’s when I connect the battery sometimes it doesn’t have a good connection between transmitter and receiver and if you wiggle the right stick a whole bunch the receiver will start cutting out and glitching but if you unplug it and replug it back in and repeat that process until it doesn’t do it then I haven’t had a glitch out in a flight since maybe in needs a bigger cap and I haven’t had any issues switching in and out of 3-D and beginner mode never had it make it glitch and crash I appreciate your time 👍

[@michi6682]

i had e160 and just crashed down for no reason for three times. first two times i spent money and time for fix it, at the third (i have video to show) i just trashed it. then i buyed omp m1. i am at 40th flight and no crash. eachine is just dangeorous toys.. really dangerous..

[@smokin70chevelle]

All the haters with their 2 cents is astonishing. Respect for showing the crash, and getting out of your comfort zone. I gave up on RC planes until I saw your series on the eachine warbirds. Now my whole family is flying, even my 55 year old mother lmao. Keep up the good content, and forget the haters. Hope to see more rc helicopters in the future

[@benbarone1015]

What I like about you Nate and Abby is your True Reviews

[@thirdayman]

This was fun to watch as I just got into collective pitch helis. You don't control the throttle, the heli spools up to a preset motor speed and all you do is change the pitch of the blades. If you land and throttle all the way down you're just pushing it into the ground, that's why you have a throttle hold switch. Please correct this if I'm wrong.

[@EbonySeraphim]

Not wrong. That’s the normal intended flight mode for collective pitch because it allows for inverted flight and very high agility and power. Depending on your radio system and flybarless system, sometimes we take off from the ground in “normal” mode which does link throttle to the left stick vertical (mode 2). Once we are lifted off the ground we switch modes.

[@themanthemyththelegend1392]

Only on governed helicopters, on helis without a governor you have a throttle curve, then you get into advanced setup with flight modes, on governed helis these are usually head speed, mode 1 1750 mode 2 1900 mode 3 2200 etc non governed are usually set up with a curve then the next mode is 100 percent regardless of stick position. I don’t think this Heli is governed.

[@FreeFlyFaster]

You are correct with the way it is set up on stock setup with the rtf tx. Its not governed, it uses a throttle curve.. but if throttle curve is set for lets say 70% all the way across then it acts like a governed heli and will try to keep throttle at 70% no matter where you have throttle stick. In that case you are just controlling the collective pitch of the blades which makes heli go up, go down and enables it to fly upside down if you are able.

[@spongebobscodpiece8693]

Come on, you messed up!!we all do! You cannot down this model on this flight. Please repair it and try again, if the same happens then you can slate it, if it doesn’t? Then you have some apologies to make

[@dipshiznit420]

"no matter how hard you crash , as long as you can figure out what went wrong , learn from it and try again, that flight did not end in failure" this was the best RC advice i ever got , and it came from the best RC heli pilot i ever met , who was 'mentally challenged' flying old school RC back in the late 80s , with crystal radios , no flight controllers , gas motors and no SAFE button. we have it easy these days compared to that

[@Jack-gy7cs]

Let's fly it a little faster....get it going around the field a little quicker now....a little more throttle....OOPS! Well Nate, you need to take your own advise and just practice more at beginner levels. Next flight will be better. And since it's been crashed, Abby can now fly it. Hehe.

[@miguelsalami]

Back to the WL v911s. Just so you know rc helicopters require an intense amount of concentration. U.S. pilots in Nam have difficulty flying these miniature machines & they were the best Heli pilots in the skys. You lost your altitude after the pitch which was a common miscalculation. Helicopters are in their own specific class & cannot be compared to any other flying machine. Flying with extreme accuracy is key & that takes extreme Focus. Great Vid that illustrates the difficulty in flying one of these very challenging RCs👍👍💛

[@michaelbrill6609]

Terry Moore, I absolutely could not agree more with your statement, and I quote, "Stabilized models are skill breakers and if you come to depend on the automation it will create a lot of bad habits that a regular model will force you to unlearn." It's how I feel about the "Safe" and "AS3X" technology as well; may help people get in the air more quickly, but doesn't necessarily help them learn.

[@JRotten]

"You were doing great, till you ran out of talent"..... Tony Stewart.

[@kooshking]

For collective pitch helicopters with fixed head speeds, there is no "throttle" in that sense. "50% throttle" mentioned in the video probably meant close to neutral (or slightly positive) collective. A lot of beginners (me included) instinctively react by pushing the throttle down to "0% throttle" when in a panic (i.e. in the video, "... I throttled down ..."), which is not correct, as essentially what happens is you are basically setting full negative collective and slamming the helicopter to the ground faster than gravity itself.

[@loybots4624]

So how to land the heli properly sir?

[@kooshking]

@@loybots4624 Move throttle to neutral collective and it should land nicely from gravity.

[@stevejohnston8543]

@@loybots4624Also if you’re in trouble kill the throttle. I’m still trying to get that, it’s so instinctive to lower the throttle or try to switch back to stability. You typically don’t have time.

[@kendodson4134]

You were using term throttle, with collective pitch helicopter you have constant speed rotor and your “throttle” stick controls pitch, so stick in the middle ( half throttle) is neutral above center is pitching the rotors to climb below middle pitches rotors for down, this is what allows upside down flight.

[@robwiljas]

You don't understand the difference between throttle/collective and why it goes down "below 50%". You said you "throttled" down which means you input negative collective and flew it into the ground. That's not the heli's fault it's yours.

[@eXo173]

Sorry, but I have to agree. Many beginners (I am still a beginner as well) are upgrading from coaxial or fixed pitch helis to a collective pitch like the one in the video. They have trained to input 0 throttle when things go south. For a collective pitch this means 100% negative pitch and you slam the heli into the ground. Better train to use that throttle cut switch instead. The small helis like the Blade Nano S2 will survive almost every crash with active throttle cut when flying over grass.

[@mrbushpilot]

Was he definitely in idle up?

[@Martin-pu1ti]

Crashing is all part of the learning curve…it’s good to analyse the caused whether it’s human or mechanical error. You and Abby has been honest about your reviews and that’s what draws me to subscribed to your channel. Nathan never loose heart in trying to progress in your dream to be a heli flier. All the best Nathan!🤗

[@FreeFlyFaster]

Im into helis and have the e160 rtf same tx. It looks like you crashed bc exactly what you said. You dove and turned "throttle" gimbal down. That reduces pitch and pushes heli down to ground when flying upright. Between doing both it will nosedive into the ground just like it did. I do agree its really not a beginner heli. More of an intermediate heli. I wouldnt advise the e160 for anyone with very little or no experience. Hard to tell what happened exactly being so far away tho. Ive had the xk k120 just go wonky and crash before so who knows. This e160 has been ok although the tail has a twitch to it that drives me crazy.

[@heeder777]

I’m sure it’s in the comments but....it’s the collective pitch, not the throttle aka motor speed that controls the climb and decent. When you’re at half stick there is little if any positive pitch hence when you go below half stick you’re getting negative pitch with power causing the rapid decent. Flip the Heli over inverted and the lower half of the stick now controls your climb and decent. You’re not that inexperienced, you handled nose in pretty well and your high speed forward flight was good too. I’ve seen a few of your videos before so I’m not sure if you were just yanking our chain. 🤣🤣😂😂👍👍😉

[@curtmartini66]

I started flying helicopters in 1999. I am able to fly aggressively. But not pro level. I am just glad to see helicopters making a comeback.

[@driver3306]

The XK K100 is the only 3D capable collective pitch heli that can crash over and over and not be damaged. My E160 had a soft crash and it cost me $35 in parts.

[@johnblythe6453]

I know crashing is "horrid" so do not stress i gave up the hobby because of crashes but i got back into it by buying the "Inspire 1 drone" this gave me the confidence to start again then i went to fixed pitch "E 129" and slowly i,m picking up,. my Inspire is now 10 years old and still flies !!! it seems the new Inspire now retails at over £2,000 so i glad i never got rid of it .Heli,s are a nightmare the new GPS models will help but in short steps and do not push yourself you will know when to move on as you will get bored if you fail "go back" but most of all have fun that is what our hobby is about .Greeting from Wales.

[@grege2383]

As a long time rc helicopter pilot, if you're going to get into helicopters - SIM SIM SIM , get a 500 - 600 size and get with someone who knows what they are doing to ensure it's set up right. I've flown micros thru 600 size (no 700 size due to cost) and I can tell you my Logo 600 with a Brain 2 FLB is nearly hands off hovering and flies like a dream. Also hit any local heli events. There is a club in Virginia hosting one next month. I can promise that if there is a decent turnout you will learn a lot. Fredericksburg Area RC club has 2 events a year and we get some of the best pilots on the East coast attending it. What you have there is the equivalent of a higher end Walmart RC car.

[@jasond7978]

You said you throttled down before you crashed. So... I'm pretty sure you tried to throttle down in your turn around prior to taking off full speed. When you throttled down you changed the pitch of the blades causing the heli to dip(Blade pitch not rpm controls ascent/descent in collective pitch). At that same moment you pitched the heli forward. The moment you throttled up to take off at full speed you changed the pitch again "lifting" the bird straight into the ground. The heli acted as intended in the video. I think you just need more collective pitch practice. Best of luck next time. Also set up a throttle cut off so you can cut it before you crash. Drastically reduces stripped gears.

[@DavidBaileyMinistries]

I agree with Jason since there is no altitude control in easy/learning mode. You’ve got to throttle up with more forward pitch. Having said that I still can’t rule out electronics/software not being able to make corrections. Too many variables to figure out what happened. Maybe a more experienced heli pilot that flew this thing can figure this out. No disrespect to you Nate, you just seemed to have a heli block. I think if you spoke better about your skills as a heli pilot, since you obviously have them, you would have owned this flight.

[@baeschler]

Been flying RC Helicopters since the late 90s. Everyone crashes whether it is a control mistake, signal loss or machine malfunction. Spent thousands on repairs and complete rebuilds but all the while having fun. Heck, even Alan Szabo crashes occasionally. Watch this guy. He is super human. How can anyone be that good. Fun to watch. And please dismiss Mr J Wilson. You were in a safe location acting responsibly. You just had an unfortunate incident. Keep trying. Wish I had your fixed wing skills. Afraid to fly my new Maul M7. Buddy box me? Greetings from Montana.

[@boeing747400ifly]

Sorry Nate, but I own one of these and can say with certainty this little heli is not a "dud". Perhaps some more practice on a fixed pitch heli or simulator is in order. The E160 has some minor issues that have been extensively discussed on RCG, but they do not prevent me from having many enjoyable flights. As others in this comment section have pointed out, this crash can be attributed to lack of experience / operator error.

[@richardkozma1448]

you did just fine brother. the first time I railed my Trex600 i cried. that cost me well over $500 to rebuild. keep at it. the best feeling is getting a full day at the field and coming home with all your birds the same way you left, Helis are not for the budget minded. but man are they fun. I only have one RC video on my channel and it's the test flight of my Trex600e well over 10 years ago. love you guys and keep RC'ing till your old like me. cheers.

[@Rusty-Metal]

Sim sim sim. Hardly anyone learns to fly collective pitch helicopters by flying one in stability mode on or off in real life. You need to learn on the sim. You can buy AcuuRC 2 for less than 50 bucks or neXt. Very cheap to crash in the sim. Also we fly in what's called idle up modes. That's is the right stick controls collective pitch only! Throttle is fixed and headspeeds are chosen by a switch. Combining collective and throttle on one stick is very hard for consistency.

[@chadpollman7970]

I’m not well-versed in CP helis. Would that be a mode 1 setup? I’m expecting mode 2 setups to have the collective on the left stick and pitch cyclic on the right stick. Again, not that I would know!

[@JustCallMePCra]

@@chadpollman7970 the mode is mostly the stick layout like throttle/putch on left or throttle and pitch on right stick

[@Rusty-Metal]

@@chadpollman7970 mode setups are just where the functions are for each stick. EU uses mode 1. Mode 2 is used in the US. So we have rudder and collective on the left stick. Aileron and elevator on the right stick. EU is opposite. Idle up modes can be set in your transmitter with flat throttle settings or curves or by using a governor in the ESC or flybarless control unit if available. These more toy grade helis can only use throttle curves or flat settings set in the transmitter.

[@danchen9301]

Thanks for this video. You are honest with us and you show us your successes but also when the flights do not go as planned. I like you for this.

[@scottsample9626]

Of course we appreciate it. My first helicopter was an eflite 2 cell I bought many years ago. It had a flybar and I loved it.

[@timdoyle8199]

As somebody else mentioned, I believe the speed is pretty constant... the left throttle stick is what they call doing" pitch bumps " up-and-down so if you down left stick it's going to rapidly go down, if you up the left stick it's gonna rapidly go up I believe they call it" pitch bumps"

[@FreeFlyFaster]

Pitch pumps*

[@ambrosekillpack4841]

Advice from a fairly experienced pilot here. I am by no means any sort of 3d flight guru, but I have more than a few auto stabilized flights under the belt. I have noticed a lack of you using any sort of cyclic roll. What I would recommend for you Nate is going back to your little blade 70s and practicing getting up to considerable speed and actually throwing some roll into your turns. That banking motion will help you make tighter more controlled turns as it actually pulls the aircraft into the direction you want to turn, what happens if you only use yaw is that you turn around but the helicopter is still sliding in the direction that it was once going because of the lack of friction. Unlike a vehicle on the ground, the helicopter has no grippy asphalt to create friction and absorb the energy of the linear motion exerted by the vehicle. If that makes any sense. It's definitely not the most articulate way of putting it, but I hope it helps. Edit: The cyclic roll actually moves the thrust cone of your main rotors to the side of the helicopter a little bit which causes the helicopter to get pushed in that direction by the air resistance generated by the Bernoulli principle.

[@micksutton1782]

You screwed up don’t worry its part of learning to fly keep it going practice makes perfect

[@lfnt3565]

Practice makes progress:)

[@scottjackson1812]

Another great video, this is one of the main reasons why I watch your channel is because you always give honest opinions and reviews. I have a few small helicopters but cheap ones and I'm a total beginner and I have really struggled with helicopters. I have crashed more than I have flown. I have seen a few reviews on this heli mainly by experienced heli guys so it's great to get your review. Keep up the great work

[@unnamedchannel1237]

I came for a crash, I was not disappointed

[@mikeengelman5036]

Thank u for being honest. I appreciate you.

[@keithwhisman]

Anything with auto leveling as a switchable feature is a good trainer. You did get a lot of time on that battery and it looks like your battery got so low that receiver glitched.

[@themanthemyththelegend1392]

Self level is terrible for learning period. Need to fly a square tail in side and out then work those orientations to figure 8 then start inverted the same way.... Self level is going to make you skip correction and re-correction and not help you to learn not to over correct.... Also setup is a huge part of this, setup your expo where you still have full deflection but the center is comfortable for you to fly.

[@TheRcSaylors]

Hey, clearly I'm not doing it the right way with helis so very happy to get any and all advice! Thanks! 👍😎⚓

[@victorpuiatti]

You guys know that I have been with you for many years. I was with you before you had your daughter LOL I will always always always support you and give you a big fat thumbs up for your honesty! 👍👍👍👍👍

[@dirtylatte]

Aw c'mon Nate! We have a saying at our field: "You never want to see a guy crash his plane. But you don't want to miss it either."👍😜

[@chadpollman7970]

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[@rickmcdole2389]

Welcome to helis, my friend. You break way more often than on any other RC's, and your good flights are something else in another class. You love 'em or they are not for you. When I figure out which group I am in, I'll message you! LOL

[@JustCallMePCra]

You should set up your "idle up" modes so you can have a constant head speed through out the pitch range. Something like 80 80 80 80 80 is good for normal flight non inverteted stuff... Or a 95 95 90 95 95 in your second idle up mode and its a good head speed for inverted flight. I love that heli!... I think the crash happened because of a low head speed you can kind of hear it bogging already. That 2s battery doesn't have the punch to pull it up on hard stops like that when trying to save it. And stability should never over ride your input it's not how it works. The pitch was high head speed was low... And pulling back on the right stick wasn't going to correct the issue if stability mode was on or off (head speed was low) what you could have done to save it was push the left stick up increasing head speed and letting the right stick go allowing it to get to 0 pitch and allow the head to gain speed slightly as it also gains altitude. Again back to idle up if it was set you probably would have had the head speed to get your self out of that situation so low an altitude. Its lts an issue for a lot of people coming from fixed pitch helicopters to collective pitch helicopters. Made something of those types of mistakes some years back when I was getting away from flybars to flybarless heli's...

[@kileki9163]

We have a guy at our local fly field that competes with helis, and he uses one of these to practice, they’re great for guys who know how to fly 3D helis, but like you said NOT beginner friendly.

[@danoduncan1763]

I've got the XK-100 CP helicopter... I've crashed it so many times I'm surprised the thing still flies... spent HOURS looking for the pieces !... :D

[@AB-80X]

The term beginner friendly and rc helicopter don't mix. Sorry to see my friend, back on the horse. There is no free lunch with the helis. Here's something I have found. When I bring people out to teach them to fly helis, I bring a pretty large bird. The larger heli is a bit slower and more predictable in its reactions, and for all intended purposes, much more stable. If you're serious about learning to fly a heli, consider moving a few steps up in size. The T-Rex 500 is a brilliant machine which is a perfect balance between size, stability and price. Banggood has some nice deals on them, so give it some thought. Like your jets, helis are pricey, but a good heli is also a complex machine which has tight tolerances.

[@iancraig]

You did REALLY well for a first flight. Well done. So many people crash within 20 seconds!! You even spoke at the same time. I reckon you crashed because you pushed yourself just too hard. Collective pitch is extremely hard to learn if you come from fixed pitch machines. Brave man.

[@TheRcSaylors]

Thank you very much Ian! I greatly appreciate your words of encouragement. Actually makes me want to get back out and try more helicopter flying 👍😁😎⚓

[@ifly65]

@@TheRcSaylorsWhen you were discussing the price, you were subconsciously flying around really nice and smooth. As soon as you got confidence, you could see it coming. Just take your time, you did great.

[@twitchmoongless7975]

You guys should review the wltoys k989 or k969 cars there very beginner friendly cars and fun

[@OmniMan_Racing]

They have

[@twitchmoongless7975]

O.p Rc's oops did not know :)

[@coryernewein]

Nice looking copter. Love the colour scheme!!!

[@shellyfuller620]

My Husband David is a big fan of yours and he was wondering if you could show a video of flying a remote controlled hot air balloon? Thanks

[@stevejohnston8543]

Ya Nate this thing is a handful for sure, I’ve crashed a few. Being the masochist that I am, I just got a new one today. The price was really good I think as far as the throttle making it jump up and down, part of the solution may be to set a straight throttle curve at maybe 0, 45, 45,45.45. In my experience, collective pitch helicopters don’t really like a linear throttle curve. Also, I would use a tame pitch curve with only a little negative pitch.. One thing about the stabilization on this helicopter that is different from others in it’s class is the fact that you can’t switch back-and-forth between modes in-flight. So, if you leave the stabilization mode, you have to land before you can switch back from 3G mode. . Anyway, it’s been a few flying seasons now and I’m still trying to remotely begin to master these things as far as sport flying and my goal is to progress to simple tricks. Anyway sometimes I think I’ve got rocks in my head for even trying to fly these things, hence why they’re really not that popular. Most of us spend a lot more time on the bench than we do in the field. Stubborn I guess. OK cheers guys.

[@MrZeek101]

Stop blaming the HELICOPTER it was all on you. it is beginner friendly but you just had to push it harder then your experience level. you said it yourself how all your buddies at flying field practice going up and down, you lost orientation and let off on throttle and nosed it down own it

[@TheTootie52]

ON NO I missed the CRASH ... I blinked!! Keep your CHIN UP, Nate!! You did your best at that moment!! Thanks Saylors for honest review!! 💟👍😘

[@rc-fannl7364]

Eachine doesn't have an exactly flawless track record when it comes down to quality control. Maybe the transmitter is faulty, a flaky switch that made it get out of stabilized mode. A heli in 6-axis mode is almost impossible to crash. I've flown the XK K110 and WL Toys V977, and these can be flown very easily. What also could have happened, is that when pitching forward, something locked up, like the swash plate binding with the main shaft, causing the RPM to drop rapidly, and made the heli dive down. Did you test the heli on the bench, very low RPM, so it won't lift off, and then moving the sticks to all extreme positions? If the control rods are not adjusted properly, you may notice something binding at full stick, and that can cause serious trouble.

[@proprotornut5389]

Helicopters are tricky machines. That's an advanced machine really. You did really well up until the crash. I've crashed all my helis at least once. It's a steep learning curve. Better luck next time. Good video.

[@rse617]

Only heli I ever had was a mini Apache. Bought from a toy store 10-12 years ago. The fuselage seemed to spin faster than the blades lol.

[@rickmcdole2389]

Heli's in general are not for everyone.Ya love 'em or are out. If you think they might be for you, add $50 or so for a BNF 230s. Know going in that helis break more and cost more.

[@omarcastro6320]

Blade 230s is a fantastic beginner friendly heli.

[@zmanphx]

I have been flying heli for over 10 years. I have this model. I would not consider this beginner friendly. This heli is for more advanced heli experience. Use sim time and also go to something much smaller like Blade MCPX. Don't use the auto self level . You want to get use to correcting the helicopter yourself not rely on self level. Also noticed your collective ( left stick was down) which you are calling the throttle. On linear curve that will slam the heli to the ground. You need to learn to use throttle cut.

[@RicoRCtv]

0:02 geniales Intro 👍 Das Gefühl vor dem Erstflug ist immer toll😁

[@madhouse740]

Once you have a CP Heli into high throttle lock the throttle stick is no longer throttle control. It turns into CP, down pushes down up pushes up

[@madhouse740]

and you Prob. instantly tried to throttle down by instinct. Its made that way for when you go inverted just like planes elevator is backward. Down turns into up when inverted.

[@TheRcSaylors]

Throttle stayed well above 50% when the failure occurred, though this is a very good thought. Due to my experience as an airplane and race drone pilot, I know throttle is your friend when panicking. Would love to know why this thing crashed, and appreciate the feedback.

[@madhouse740]

@@TheRcSaylors Alishamao just put up a flight of the 160 with stick cam @6 mins

[@madhouse740]

when you hear the motor is at full run speed and throttle up switch is turned on the throttle stick is not your throttle friend it is just up and down and center stick is hover

[@jiml.825]

Come on Nate...What a 'cop' out...

[@VeleiroMatreiro]

I have an e160 and sometimes it seems to go into 3D mode of its own accord. That's what happened to yours. It appears to be communication failure with the radio.

[@jeromybrayman2225]

If u really want to have sum beginner fun with a good helicopter try a blade 230 s v2 ... i own one and its alot of fun and very stable for a beginner

[@pieterpretorius1014]

i have a kds 450 that has no artificial stability built in and tail struck the heck out of it. aiming to get a blade helicopter of similar size if possible

[@gregmcclure2640]

Thanks for being honest! I agree with you totally on this one!

[@dalewhite5068]

It wasn't your fault. Brian Phillips had a very similar deal happen to him. Eachine rushed this one out the door.

[@TheRcSaylors]

Glad to know we weren't the only ones. I like that guy, just can't ever make it through an entire video if his!

[@telephony]

I've flown a number of helis over the years, and yes -- I've crashed on more than one occasion. In fact, I've got a couple of 450-sized helis *STILL IN TREES* up in Shelton WA. USA that I crashed *YEARS* ago!!! :-O

[@FreeFlyFaster]

My first beginner heli was a coaxial heli and i crashed it before I even got off the ground. Broke a blade too lol.

[@bimmarvinlim3804]

I appreciate the honesty of your review abt the durability of the gears. In some ivideos they crashed it couple of times b4 the copters gear got ruined.

[@Pitts1766]

It stripped the gear because it went in with power on. All helis are like this, you must hit throttle hold to avoid stripping gears.

[@ghosttargets9288]

I used to have a Blade MCX2. They are difficult and need allot of practice. You did really good Nate.

[@rarrianlariza3205]

when you say the truth about that heli i press the subscribe and notification bell big thanks RcSaylors

[@karenschlosser3370]

would you recommend the WLToys A959b or Wltoys 144001?

[@lynxAzur]

I have it and it is too fragile to be a beginner helicopter Take the xk k110... the perfect beginner / intermediate rc helicopter

[@EbonySeraphim]

"Beginner" and "helicopter" should hardly ever be thrown into the same conceptual product. I think "beginner helis" are marketed for beginners because they are small, cheap enough, reasonably built enough to crash a bit so people can learn without breaking the bank -- or other people. By no means is it a beginner skill to hover a helicopter and maintain control of it when it is facing you, side ways, etc. If your goal is to be able to fly collective pitch going inverted, flips, rolls, and doing spins quite easily (3D), then being a beginner is not really an option. Beginner modes on collective pitch helis is NOT what you want to be doing. You won't learn the correct skills. Getting a non-collective pitch heli is not what you want to be doing. You need to figure out how to get that twitchy sucker (let's say a Blade Nano S2/CPX/CPS or mCPX BL) in the air and in a stable hover under your full control without SAFE mode or "any" stabilization. I recommend getting a simulator (AccuRC). And by all means always fly OUTSIDE even with a Blade Nano. In the hands of a complete beginner, no collective pitch helicopter should be flown in a casual living space indoors. Most important thing to know about helicopter pilots (full size and RC collective pitch) is that we know our machines are not mechanically stable in the air. Our basic (stick/rudder skill) is focused on what is about to make the heli do something we didn't intend or drift too far and we are constantly reacting and adjusting to that while flying the helicopter. Our orientation skill (line of sight) is so good we detect minor rotational and linear accelerations that are about to become problems. Because of the agile design of RC collective pitch helis, when something like a breeze gives you an unwanted change, the heli will react and change orientation quickly and the pilot does not have time to think about how to correct it - the adjustment has to be instant. This is similar to how most adults won't fall down even if we trip on something completely unexpected, you've done it for so long and you've stumbled and fallen so many prior times by now your reaction to avoid falling is quite good (never infallible). This is the same with helicopter piloting: there are constant errors and corrections and the pilot should always be capable of automatically handling the unexpected. With more experience, we know what is more likely to be an unwanted change for specific situations we are entering so we can better focus mental energy.

[@erikhilsinger9421]

When you rent a real helicopter you pay for the helicopter, the pilot, and the mechanic per day. RC is the same but you're the pilot, mechanic, and parts counter guy. Helicopters are very different from planes since only the large ones autorotate to maintain lift. Definitely a better path is to go to the XK 110 micro where parts and batteries are cheap, it uses Futaba radio protocol and has multiple flight modes and granny mode. Good video, though, helicopters are heli-fun!

[@ricardopr54]

The tail boom of mine came off in mid air snapping the tail motor cable and causing a crash all low altitude. It was a pain in the ass to repair due to all those tiny parts. After I fixed it, I flew it again and noticed that the tail boom was still loose even though I tightened the retaining screw very well, so I landed it, went grab my trusty CA glue, and permanently glued that tail boom for good!... Problem solved, and now my helli flies like a dream!...

[@Damon0306]

Yes!! Helicopter reviews!

[@Indy64738]

I hope you didn’t give up... thanks for the video

[@peterbleil9169]

Flying hellies is a totally different ball game the smaller the hellie in most cases are harder to fly because they are so nimble and can get out of hand real quick. The larger they are the more docile they fly but more expensive. I started on 450 size and can fly a 700 but yeah completely different fish all together they take a long time lean and master but you did well good job.cheers!

[@EbonySeraphim]

Peter Bleil bigger helis can also substantially injure yourself or others on mistakes not limited to pilot skills.

[@peterbleil9169]

@@EbonySeraphim yes that is true wich makes it a catch 22. I'd still rather practice with a 450 than a 250 so small but big if you get my meaning lol

[@Pitts1766]

I think the way to go these days is to master the simulator first then start with a 300 to 450 sized heli.

[@CharlesLe-thephotographer]

Why didn’t you just land and celebrate a successful flight? It’s like I knew that was going to happen as soon as you said you were going to go faster. Do 10 successful sessions before you start making progressively more risky stuff.

[@All4Grogg]

How many volts left on that battery? 6 minute flight & that looked more like a failsafe than anything else. A 6 channel collective pitch RC heli isn't going to be super easy, but easy is a relative term.

[@karlnowakowski7866]

Keep at and thanks for sharing this video and experience. Hows the s2 nano going ?

[@sirhilsam]

I went from coaxial to 3 ch to 4 ch to 6ch collective pitch and I still take my time with helis...they are expensive to repair since you WILL crash. Enjoyed the video.

[@brohoop]

Hi guys! You promised a link of the heli you recommend. But there’s no link other than for the e160. Where’s the link?? Thanks!

[@rchobby8734]

Can you buy the horizonhobby umx pt-17

[@dugstein]

Thank you Nate. You have saved a lot of money for a lot of people.

[@michaelbrill6609]

Wrong....he has provided false bad advertising for the company making this heli when it was USER error causing the crash......

[@gvanausdle]

I know this is an older post but I recently purchased the eachine Tx16s transmitter. I was surprised It came with several plane and copter presets which included the eachine e160. I had to learn the switches and it's a good thing I double checked the controls as the roll was switched. Also the arm voice was reversed. I just flew it for the first time and it flew so much better than with the included controller. Much more docile for us newbs.

[@BlvlWmpower]

I heard that Radio is the biggest problem out of them all. According to a reviewer: The throttle stick has a dead zone between negative and positive pitch, So it bounces up and down and leaves you correctly it constantly. The videos where it flies good are it set up on a $1,000 Futaba Radio, then it flies like a blade heli, but no durability. Thank you sooo much for keeping Heli's alive, you are one of the very few!

[@FreeFlyFaster]

I have this same transmitter with the e160. It doesnt have a large deadband that I can tell. It flys pretty good actually. Its no spektrum ix12 or high dollar futaba by any means tho. Good enough it seems. My 2 cents.

[@lonewolfrcs1331]

it was human error you had the top right switch in high when it should have been in low for the 6g funtion it will not stabalize correctly

[@taylorpillow2800]

I think it was the noobs fault as why the heli crashed. Not the person holding the camera but the person who thought he could fly a heli real fast and not have the experience to do so. It wasn't that the heli wasn't beginner ready. But it was nates fault. Maybe try just hoovering next time. Lol. Rofl. Hahaha. I'm just messing with you. You did good.

[@parker1ray]

I've had two copters and managed to break both. Quadcopters for me!!

[@heli-man-]

Anybody that has RC helicopters will tell you that smaller helicopters are actually harder to fly I personally think once you get to a 500 it becomes more stable

[@O.L.D_RC]

Crashes happen, most of just aren't filming. Brand new 2 m B-25, second flight, trimmed, flying smoothly. Caught left main on a powerline on final. The only reason there's no video is not bringing the right base for the camera. If you're trying something new and crash, at least you are trying something new.

[@NCmountainsYouTubeChannel]

Thanks for sharing,,,👍

[@rockyjohnIII]

Have you taken a look at John Salt's video on this heli? He has a lot of good info packed into his review. Highly recomend a good look...

[@supertuber8506]

i have the e129 and I want to fly something more advance, do you recomend this?

[@Mr.Gribble]

YES get the e180

[@123windyron]

Thanks nate let's see more heli good true info .

[@chrisboone1973]

I was pretty convinced I would buy that Nano S2 when I got paid this month, but I changed my mind. The S 70 is the only helicopter I need. I am pretty good with it. Instead, I bought a knockoff of that Eachine P-51 off Amazon ('Top Race' brand, Banggood failed me on an order back in January, but they finally gave me the money back). I I got the P-51 today. It seems to pull hard toward the ground. I mean, just in my hand, I throttle up it wants to dive. And when I go for it, I walk a few feet and put the prop back on. Not sure what the deal is there, but I'll work on it.

[@dipshiznit420]

CG too far forward?

[@chrisboone1973]

@@dipshiznit420 Doesn't seem so. The battery compartment is a perfect fit for the included lipo, and it only fits one way. It might not be an issue. The prop is huge in relation to the size of the plane. Like I said, I'll work on it. I just don't see it doing 'hands-free' flight the way it is now. It wants to dive.

[@chadpollman7970]

Is the elevator (the hinged portion) level with the rest of the horizontal stabilizer (the fixed portion)? When you pull back (down) on the right stick on the transmitter, does the elevator rotate upward? Is the flight mode switch (right shoulder) in beginner mode (all the way toward the front of the transmitter)? Have you tried recalibrating the gyro (instructions in the manual)? Are the “30x70” embossed numbers on the back side of the prop (the side facing the cockpit)? I’m trying to figure out what you mean about it wanting to dive while still in your hand. I guess the natural grip point is behind the wing, which is well behind the C.G. point, so it will feel nose-heavy in the hand, and adding power might exaggerate that feeling. I have no idea what your hand launching technique looks like (obviously!), but just in case... A smooth, firm (but not forceful), overhand-baseball-toss kind of throw usually works. Think: casual, easy-going pitch-and-catch with your dad. The arc has the airplane pass by you above head height. If the wing passes by at eye level, it probably means your arm is bent at the elbow and the toss will be relatively weak (used to be called “throwing like a girl”; not sure what it’s called anymore). Release while the airplane’s nose is still aimed a little above the horizon so you don’t inadvertently pull it into the ground. Of course, if you have a suitable runway, there’s always the option of doing a takeoff instead of a hand launch. If the flight dynamics seem wonky, you might try some power-off glide tests. Just give it a healthy hand launch and glide it to the ground as best as you can. Repeat as necessary to get a feel for how the airplane behaves and what kinds of corrections are needed; adjust and try again. Once you get it gliding how you want, it should be ready for a power-on test flight. 😎 Hope at least some of that helps!

[@memyself3275]

I love how he assumes "The Heli" messed up when he never even looked it over to check mechanics or electronics for loose parts or breaks. You went well beyond "Beginner" flying and out flew your own skills and crashed.

[@TheRcSaylors]

Yeah, you definitely know better than me! Thanks 👍😁😎⚓

[@memyself3275]

@@TheRcSaylors Occams razor. Plus I have no reason to let my ego be involved.

[@memyself3275]

@@TheRcSaylors Occam's razor. Chances are you took it out of stabilization mode without realizing it. Switching back into S mode will not activate it, you have to land and return the throttle to 0 stick for a few seconds. Send it to me for evaluation and Ill check it out.

[@scottfirman]

Nate crashed, Nate crashed! Nah , Nah! No really, we all crash. Hey Nate, Got a Great Deal on a Kyosho Fair Wind Sailboat. Its a beautiful sailboat. It looks like brand new yet.

[@NeoIsrafil]

Dude we wouldn't mind you flying a little high if you're nervous. Helis are like flying the twitchiest, badly programmed, quadcopter ever. Take it at your own pace. They're a tough beast and collective is another level. For a heli id say its pretty beginner friendly, but overall absolutely not. A beginner flying collective is very sink or swim.

[@EbonySeraphim]

NeoIsrafil “badly programmed”? That’s not an accurate picture at all. Maybe the FBL on this one is cheap, but the best flight control computer systems are currently in the RC heli space. Quad FCS is doing great and open source but doesn’t do as reliable and performant of a job as top end RC heli FBL. RC helis also require a bit more work to get right. This can change, but likely won’t in 2 years at least.

[@WorldwdePants]

Well.....that is the coolest t-shirt you've ever worn.....

[@TheRcSaylors]

Lol thanks 😄👍😎⚓

[@P1G5CanFly2]

I got mine delivered last night. I agree it is not for absolute beginners. It is a fun 3D flyer in experienced people though. For a beginner only flew coaxial or 4 ch fixed pitch and get this as the first cp. It is likely for them to get frustrated and breaking a lot of stuffs. I used the old wltoys v922 to practice/crash/improve and very comfortable with it (All orientations and invert hover). I was still not comfortable with the E160 until after 10 flights with it and think through a few things in the head. After that, the E160 is quite fun. One of the things that will catch many beginners by surprise (me included) is the slam onto the ground behaviour at 1/4 throttle position. The folks at rc groups form eventually helped me to understand why it is set it up that way, and I know how to adapt to it.

[@timdoyle8199]

Other video reviewers said that you have to Tighten the screws that hold the main blades on as they are not fully tightened from the factory, I think one of the other reviewers said that it says that in the directions ??

[@chadpollman7970]

Not sure on this model. I think it depends whether the rotor blades are supposed to be locked into a rigid position or left loose enough to pivot. Slightly loose rotors are common on beginner-friendly designs, as it tends to reduce crash damage (the blade free-pivots backward, lessening impact stresses on itself, whatever it contacted, and the remainder of the drive system) and dampens minor out-of-balance vibrations, at the cost of being a bit sloppy.

[@boeing747400ifly]

I own an E160. Included in the parts bag are two thin (0.3 mm) plastic washers that are supposed to go in between the blades and the blade grips, making the blades fit more snugly. I installed mine today. Easy to miss as they are very small and transparent.

[@FreeFlyFaster]

My e160 main blade screws were basically falling out when it arrived. A little loctite and get em to where they have play but wont fall under their own weight then let loctite set up good. Seems to be the sweet spot.