Crashed My Best RC Jet: FMS F86 Sabre 80 MM

[@chrisdavis6474]

Yeah the gear broke but that was an awesome recovery !!! Nice flying for sure !!

[@MarksAultimateRC]

Certainly could have been a worse outcome. Thanks for Watching!

[@lw216316]

When I was a new rc pilot the advise given to me was - for a good landing - have a good approach.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

I think I have 5 other videos on this plane with great landings, check them out. The approach is everything, was definitely too low, so I was too late to apply power to compensate and landed short of the runway on final

[@ricardopr54]

Sorry about your mishap...Good thing is that your plane didn't seem to have suffered much damage. I'm sure it'll be flying again soon...Thumbs-up for your video 👍🏾 Have a great rest of your night 🌙 Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 👍🏾 🌵 😁 🇵🇷 Like #52

[@MarksAultimateRC]

Glued back together, question is how much I'll need to keep it flying! Thanks for watching!

[@ricardopr54]

@MarksAultimateRC That depends on the mAh of your battery and the remaining percentage after landing. I always start with 3 minutes for my jets and go from there, adding 30-second increments until I land with around 20%. 👍🏾👍🏾

[@MarksAultimateRC]

What I meant to say, but forgot to type, how much "glue"😏

[@ricardopr54]

@@MarksAultimateRC Ohh, OK...🤪😁👍🏾

[@userTJ39780]

The moment of touchdown is so critical. I like to give it a small flair to bleed speed at the far end of the runway, then keep just a small amount of throttle. I had a similar crash when my 70mm Yak came in steeply with no power and then caught a wingtip. I've had to replace retracts in almost all of my planes (except FMS).

[@israeljuarez3707]

My landing approach begins 1 minute before it's time to land. Still high, I deploy full flaps and steadily reduce speed while being very gentle on the turns. Just like full size jets, I have the RC EDF gradually descend while reducing speed. My final approach is long, scalelike and flat. Touchdown is always on the mains after a minimum of flare. As we know, any swept wing plane is prone to tip stall and, at low altitude, these prove fatal. Note how the jet tip stalls before the crash landing. This is exactly how EDFs with swept wings stall and no amount of SAFE will save it. In addition, I would NEVER fly a 70 mm, let alone an 80 mm EDF in a place like the one shown in the video-too many obstructions. In addition, where I live (Los Angeles County), I would have been asked by the police to leave and to not fly model planes at a public park. An 80 mm EDF really needs a place like a club field or a very large area devoid of any obstructions to fly it SAFELY and to get the most out of it.

[@rcdavidk]

Best sounding jet... FMS did a great job on this one. It's not a crash... it's a bad landing. Even with the bad landing, it wasn't so bad that the gear should have let go. The gear on most current planes is a bit light and they either come apart or go through the wing.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

Definitely seems to be the case. For as much progress as the manufactures have made in the 4 + years I have been in the hobby, gear seems to be the one area they have largely ignored.

[@rcdavidk]

@@MarksAultimateRC Oddly enough, this is the one area where 3D Printed Plane landing gear has improved a lot. A combination of solid parts, heated threaded inserts to hold bolts, and some ingenious sprung gear now make for robust installs. I have the FMS F86 and I am concerned about that front landing gear. That's just a problem waiting to happen.

[@leviathan351cleveland3]

Yeah the gear is just not good enough for a lot of jets, that's for sure.

[@scottanderson463]

Sorry about your plane. It's a beautiful jet. Hope you get it back in the air soon. At least you take all the constructive "help" well LOL.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

LOL, Nobody likes to watch the other vids I have on this jet with the good landings. Thanks for watching!

[@lwrandall]

That sucks. I had the same nose gear damage as you. FMS made the plastic way too thin and it had no support under it. I had to cut and glue 4 wood paint stir sticks together to raise the box then I epoxied the box together. It help for a few months then it gave out again so replaced the plane. It’s a great flying plane overall. Good luck

[@MarksAultimateRC]

I reglued the plastic and reinforced the thin plastic piece towards the front by glueing another piece of plastic as support. We will see how long it lasts, hate to buy a whole new fuse. Certainly the one aspect of this plane I don not like.

[@rcflyguy8514]

Not trying to go all NTSB however if you look at the slow-mo, when the aircraft first touched down on the grass and bounced the main gear was intact but dislodged on the second much harder bounce on the pavement. Classic case of a go around after the first bounce and considering the tight spaces you are flying in I am confident in your flying abilities that should have allowed you to do just that! Have had the same jet since they came out and flew it four or five times today with one go around, if it ain't right it isn't going to be right by forcing it so go around. You already know this!

[@MarksAultimateRC]

One of the "nice things" about recording your own video's, you can go back and watch your screw ups as much as you want. That same right main gear has failed before, got a video posted of that too, but at the end of the day, if your short you should go around. I do most of the time, but "youtube" is not interested in those videos. There are at least 3 vids on my page of good landings. Thanks for watching!

[@1flstc]

I had to glue two 3/8 square hard wood blocks into each main retract same with the nose gear as once the gear rips out there is nothing to hold it in place and it rips out the foam next to the glue, have had to redo every retract on every FMS plane I have owned. BUT I will still buy them as they are some of the best FLYING planes out there, it's just that ONE oops and its glue time for the gear.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

We'll see if my glue job holds, otherwise, will likely have to do something like that to fix. Going to try and post next flight on channel. Thanks for watching

[@JDsRCModelWorld-up7ws]

FMS quality. They charge a good price for this foam! Good luck getting the right glue to get everything back together. They always seem to have spare parts in stock!

[@MarksAultimateRC]

Unfortunately the only way to fix the front gear is to buy a new fuse. Glued back together, will see how long it lasts. Soon as we get some good flying weather on the weekends, I plan to put it back up and have a video on it.

[@garygasser6760]

E6000 is very good to glue in your retracts

[@MarksAultimateRC]

Assuming it is foam safe?

[@garygasser6760]

@@MarksAultimateRC Yes it is foam safe

[@MarksAultimateRC]

Thanks for the info, will definitely check it out!

[@okiedoak201]

@@MarksAultimateRC give E6000 24 hours to Cure

[@roadstar499]

I would just glue it back using gorilla white while holding it in place and wiping the excess that oozes out with wet paper towel..it would never break again in that area..i have many years of building and more in repairing foam planes..good luck!

[@Royshanger]

That was a minimal crash that could have been much worse if you flipped over. That plane will flip upside down so fast. It'll make your head spin. Good recovery.

[@scottdearmond5532]

Best looking jet in the air, totally a bummer about how weak the landing gear is attached to the airframe, that was a soft crash landing. I have 2 older FJ-2 Furry 70mm but with removable landing gear not retractable.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

This is definately a great looking and flying plane, front gear not withstanding. Thanks for Watching!

[@julieault2706]

Bummer on the landing🤥

[@JMan-m6q]

Bummer on the landing. Can’t afford to join an AMA flying club with more proper flight path/runways?

[@MarksAultimateRC]

Closest is an hour away. Not practical. Clubs don't grow on trees around here. The one we had was at an old grass airport just a mile east of where l fly, property was sold a couple of years ago and is being redeveloped

[@roadstar499]

You must be using the wrong glue or not enough..I use e6000 or gorilla white glue most of the time and never have issues.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

Ive used gorilla glue in the past but not on this plane, You are the second person that has recommended e6000, going to have to check that stuff out

[@peterdaba6651]

Hi I have the Free wing F-86 you flew fine but during the approach you were flying a little faster then needed. you should try at a safe altitude to set up for landing and bring the throttle to half then trim to level then add a click or 2 of up just enough to get the nose just a little up . now fly it around like that and get a feel . that little twitching you were getting near final you can correct using a slight slowing of the servo speed. to land now the model has been flying at half throttle slowly bring the throttle back the model will descend but speed will remain the same.( once set up if you make shallow coordinated turn's less the 30 degrees the model will not stall ) so just stay off the elevator and use power to make you approach then as you approach the runway the model will be flying slower and more stable with the nose slightly up and all you have to do is add a little up to flare and burn off speed to a gentle touchdown on mains. Takes some practice but no more LG problems.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

Hi Peter, I have about 3 or 4 other video's with a bunch of good landings, check them out if you like. Of coarse on KZbin, the ones that get the most attention are the ones that don't go well. This is the only jet I have with air brakes, still figuring out when to deploy them, have figured out that they are too effective on full deployment for a landing. Thanks for watching

[@lw216316]

Many of my planes did not have enough glue or enough support for the gear - and could not hold up to a hard landing. Over time as approaches and landings got better then there were fewer broken gears. So we need better planes and better pilots.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

Famous last words, I should have gone around......

[@Royshanger]

I have crashed my small jets into the curb so many times, good landings are not good. When you hit something solid like a curb.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

Same here, got 170 vids a fair, amount have curbs and such involved, especially the early warbirds, thanks for watching!

[@Royshanger]

It is worth it to drive to your nearest flying field... I was hesitant for a long time. Pay the $150, and you will really learn how to fly. There are so many good pilots there. They love to help you because that's what they do best👌!

[@MarksAultimateRC]

When I am not working full time, I likely will. Will probably check out some of the ones that are closer, but they only have grass strips, so wouldn't be able to fly the majority of my planes

[@capnhardway]

Unfortunate, sorry that happened, it is repairable though. Hope the front great isn't too bad.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

Have it glued back together, but need to wait for some warmer weather to test it. Thanks for Watching!

[@IDrone-l5m]

Big expensive jets have very little tolerance for last minute snafus.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

No doubts, the heavier they are, the less room for error on landing. The ideal size for me is a 70MM, but manufacturers, other than Motion RC / Freewing don't seem to be making them. All Horizon wants to make is Vipers and I am definitely done with those. I think a new Motion F22 70mm may be my next purchase!

[@leviathan351cleveland3]

Sorry man........I've done that and much worse, makes for a sick feeling...........I did that, a lot worse on a 80mm F-16...... took all the landing gear out and made the air intake real.........hollowed out the fuselage from the front to the EDF and just do hand launch and belly landings. Man did it ever fly great after that, picked up speed also and belly landings on grass are really slick.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

I can't Imaging trying to hand launch this jet, would be a 2 person operation. Hoping a lot of glue keeps the plastic support for the gear together. Thanks for watching!

[@dradden1556]

Oh man. Sorry. I think I hear taps playing in the background. We all know how that feels.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

LOL, probably should have been, maybe I add that to the next crash video. She is ready to fly again. The question is going to be how often I will have to reglue the front landing gear without doing some major mods

[@dradden1556]

Yeah. I just crashed my Eflite A10 the same way. That thing likes to bounce

[@dradden1556]

Plus I also got tired of trying to figure out how to fix sequence doors. Since they are all different. I just started taking them off after I crash or have issues with them.

[@davidgerlach1132]

Bummer, sorry, no BODY wants to crash.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

It happens, may need to stock up on glue or wood to keep this one flying.

[@tim7402]

Also, your position (you) for takeoff and landing is not good practice. Learn to fly center roughly as it passes you.on both phases.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

Can't get a tail takeoff shot if I am not standing behind it.

[@drmrjon]

What? You came in WAY to fast and clipped the grass. 100% pilot error.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

If you watched the end of the video, that's what I said. I actually came in too slow, that's why it sank, but thanks.

[@sammyrogers3278]

What you’re doing is dangerous. You’re flying in a public area flying over other people and cars. It’s dangerous and it’s illegal. Please find an AMA field to fly at where it’s safe.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

There isn't any within an hour of here with a hard surface. People have been flying at this location for years. We have the OK from the school. Local people stop by all the time to watch and talk to us , including the local police. Think you are getting a bit carried away with the legality stuff. The only car I flew over was my own, but thanks.

[@okiedoak201]

just a fyi...its not illegal to fly in a public place...but it takes on a HUGE liability issues..

[@sammyrogers3278]

@ might wanna check FAA laws that came into effect just a few months ago. Lots of changes. Most importantly is the safety aspect. It’s just not safe flying around people. You hit a person at 80mph with a plane that weighs just 10 lbs. it could be catastrophic. You’re a free adult. Do what you want. Just consider the risks.

[@MarksAultimateRC]

Fully aware about RID

[@MarksAultimateRC]

You can check out the 2 videos I have on my channel trying to get it to work on an older spektrum receiver/jet

[@afb911]

You're flying in a parking lot. Probably not an AMA sanctioned field 🫣. That's a little too much jet for confined spaces

[@MarksAultimateRC]

There isn't any within an hour of here with a hard surface. People have been flying at this location for years. We have the OK from the school.

[@JDsRCModelWorld-up7ws]

No RID module either! Illegal!

[@MarksAultimateRC]

Do you have x ray vision? The canopy was never opened in the video. I have 2 RID modules from Spektrum, ordered them before they ever came out. Maybe you should watch the video again

[@robertsklenka5823]

The light poles would be enough for me