Crawler Canyon Quick(Re)view: Axial SCX10 Pro

So this is a culmination of sorts, the conclusion (not exactly) of the Build-a-long series of the 10 Pro, the official ghost ride that has to come before paint, and the inevitable head-to-head episodes, of which there will be... several.
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[@FaithSaraG]

I'm interested to see this head to head with the VRD.

[@rccrawlingaddict207]

I would not trade the selective underdrive for a permanent fixed underdrive. I love the ability to switch to one to one or to 40%. Can't wait to see it up against the VRD!

[@GuyOnTwoWheels]

I am the same way

[@Camocrawler2868]

Looks good doing the thing on the rocks, can't wait to see the side by side showdown with the vrd!

[@davidconaway2830]

I have both the Pro and VRD. In my limited experience (as a crawling enthusiast) with these two trucks, the VRDs advantage over the Pro is belly clearance/breakover. The Pro's advantage over the VRD is its planted sure-footedness and light weight. I have a fusion pro in the 10-Pro and a Holmes Team Spec 1800 revolver in the VRD and I love both systems. Looking forward to your head-to-head comparison.

[@lastcreations8845]

what is the weight of both ? curious

[@davidconaway2830]

​@lastcreations8845 the VRD weighs 5.6lbs while the Pro weighs 5.5lbs....both weights are without a battery. I have heavy brass portal covers on the VRD and medium weight SSD brass on the Pro. Both run the exact same Megalithic tire and Squid SL3D inserts. Hope this helps.

[@JC-Nor-Cal]

This makes sense to me. My VRD carbon runs the pro and it is almost unstoppable.. it climbs practically straight vert without a flop.

[@JC-Nor-Cal]

He looked very stable side hill all in all, can't wait to see the side by side in the future... Nice job driving as always.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

The sidehill is absolutely glue-like. Just stuck to the ground.

[@bouncingnoise]

And sidehilling is definitely the weakest part of a box stock VRD

[@bouncingnoise]

I can’t wait for the Pro vs Vrd comparison 🤩

[@timbertime738]

Awesome! Can't wait to see the VS!

[@jimbocreationsbu8203]

the first pass on the hillside AKA Yella's line looked excellent - no slip no hesitation - she is a side hill queen and underdrive the front diff 33/8 that will also get the top end down

[@charleshurley8927]

Here's an idea. Compare them like you plan to, with the pins, then put them on a set of bot so good tires, and see how good either would do without the extra boost

[@SamStevens-vo9xx]

Tires definitely helped with the drive, fuskes woo be good to try

[@brianmik5624]

My pro transmission clicked for 6 months before it finally broke. I replaced it with a creeper t and it smoothed the drive out so much. I run TRX4 shocks on mine and love it.

[@thindigital]

Ey up lads and lasses. I put a fusion 1200 in my Capra with stock tranny, haven't done the math but feels good with plenty of torque and middling wheel speed.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Should be about right, the Capra box has (IIRC) a 1.2:1 internal ratio, which is... dumb. All of the reduction is in the portals. I think a Capra is maybe 40:1 final, which is insane for a portal rig.

[@JasonLumpkin]

How did you get this to fit, Vader skid?

[@thindigital]

@@JasonLumpkin I'm using a printed skid, the model is free on thingiverse. A Vader skid would of course be the proper way, some people shave the link mount.

[@ShoddyRC]

20% overdrive and dig would have made it better. I don’t need selectable overdrive.

[@fuse557]

I love the Po10 body!

[@CrawlerCanyon]

You to be in the minority. I very nearly looks the same coming and going, and good from neither.

[@fuse557]

@@CrawlerCanyon LoL 😆

[@rccrawlingaddict207]

@@CrawlerCanyon I'll take a pro over a goyzer any day!

[@bouncingnoise]

I think the Pro and the Vrd are so close, that in the end it will be a decision between what you prefer or what you’re looking for, straight axles or portals.

[@TinyTiresRC]

I'm really looking forward to seeing the comparison tonight VRD Carbon. Right up until Vanquish announced and released the Carbon kit I had a 10-Pro on a similar ridiculous back-order from horizon you experienced.

[@Driver86421]

Been waiting for this. There are definitely things about Axial that aggravate me and I'm sure the VRD would be more fun to build, but I'm kind of a straight-axle guy these days and the performance is undeniably there. Yeah, the body is hideous. Looking forward to the head-to-heads before making a decision one way or the other.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

A straight axle VRD could easily be had-- I'm sure someone would trade you F10 for F10 in a heartbeat.

[@Driver86421]

@@CrawlerCanyon Well that's an option I hadn't considered. Hmmm...that may well tip the scales, but I'm still curious to see how this plays out. Thanks!

[@Dozern90]

Love the axles and the servo behind the axle. The rest is parted out and the rails and transmission is binned. Can not recommend buying this over something like a VRD

[@JC-Nor-Cal]

Slick rock looked absolutely perfect. Advantage 10 pro.

[@HVT03]

We need to see this guy on the Crawlimpics, the performance surprised me a little bit I really dont like that body, but the one that WDW owns looks amazing to me

[@psjoinery6]

Regarding the panhard conversion, here in UK, I believe some guys use the Element set up.

[@Bonitacreekrc2]

you should try the dawn dish soap method when you paint it. or maybe red white and blue

[@JC-Nor-Cal]

I did that on my creeper. Yellow and blue. It was easy and turned out bad ass.

[@Bonitacreekrc2]

@JohnCammarota I first saw Adam from Cape Crawlers use that method. And him and his son did two bodies,and they were really cool

[@J-GEEZY]

I believe they set it up for portals because soon after the release of the pro axial they came out with portal axels.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Not unlikely. But that smacks of cash grab, because the gearbox is definitely a portal-ratio box-- so why not just release two versions? Why is there no 10 Pro portal kit? Ohhhhh, that's right, I keep forgetting-- #justaxialthings

[@Bonitacreekrc2]

@@CrawlerCanyon you should make a page #justaxialthings

[@CrawlerCanyon]

@@Bonitacreekrc2 Axial Engineer One: I have everything from M3x10 through M3x25, so how many screw lengths should we use on the cage? Axial Engineer Two: Yes.

[@Bonitacreekrc2]

@@CrawlerCanyon I guess to axials defence, they want as much thread engagement as possible,that might be there reasoning. They probably just don't trust there plastics

[@michaellenheiser3157]

Knowing what you know now, how would you compare an Ecto versus VRD, ZRD or PRO with electronics and wheels/tires being equal.

[@JC-Nor-Cal]

Undertaker looks like advantage VRD.

[@JC-Nor-Cal]

Fellas.....

[@Josepharrington-j6w]

Nice review 🤟🏿💯

[@jasoncouy2075]

Fortunately you have a switch to go between 40% and 0%. You are not locked in running it one way or the other. Just like dig.

[@lastcreations8845]

Fly weight it ! battery to front mount next to bumper, cut front mount to move FMM forward as much as possible, and swap to the other t case as forward as possible on skid. maybe 1 diff gear to reduce down to 20% ish range. a lb for tcase, dang. ran good

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Dropping the 10.3 box out of the CJ and replacing it with the fake Creeper T took off a pound, not including the shift/dig servos. I figure the reduction here would be 12oz.

[@danielrowe4777]

My Pro is a badass. Took some Tuning but its ready for comp.

[@Tyrells_Tiny_Trucks]

I'd be really tempted to give it a good amount of OD in the axle gears and then use the OD function more similarly to dig. Very curious about that.

[@geoffathtetemple4152]

Before you creeper T it kill some underdrive by going 8-33 front and 8-27 rear. Then find out how front underdrive performs. I think you'll be surprised.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

So you're saying overdrive the rear, underdrive the front, and lock it in 40% on the box? For a fixed 20% UD, but 10% lower FDR. I'll definitely consider it.

[@geoffathtetemple4152]

@@CrawlerCanyon it's the availability to shift into the "wrong" configuration. You might find it a helpful tool in certain situations. Plus you have a more friendly rear UD for "normal" conditions. You don't know until you know. 😎

[@geoffathtetemple4152]

"I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested."

[@michaellenheiser3157]

In ghost form it’s difficult to tell the front from the back…Is it coming or going?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I said to someone today, "the Pro body looks like the bottom half of a hotdog bun." It's funny how ugly it is, it's hilarious that they made a comp body that's not comp legal.

[@Bonitacreekrc2]

@CrawlerCanyon Hopefully it looks better painted and stickers

[@crawlercityrc]

morning gents😊😊

[@opivyx]

Toss the Axial gearbox and put in a OD-3, gives you 18%O.D. or a creeper t at 30%. Should bring the weight down and a little more forward as well.

[@charleshurley8927]

it definitly did better than i figured it would. but you did use cheat codes ie; the pins with the inserts

[@CrawlerCanyon]

That was the same setup that went out on the VRD a few weeks ago, so I figured it would be a more reasonable comparison.

[@The_RC_Family]

£519 in the UK 😬 I wonder what difference it would have made today if this had been running the XHX Pin.

[@ekpauly]

I jumped and ordered a 10 pro on release, assembled it and felt the same way you described in your videos. Uhg. I tried the brazin scale chassis and still disappointed. Sold it before i even ran it.

[@JoskMclaren]

Whatever you do, don't mention the VRD. I did eaarlier but I think I got away with it!

[@fromfin90]

in a german store here in europe, the SCX10 Pro costs 469€, i could get a TRX4 Sport kit, with a better body and scale stuff for 417

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I would put a Sport body on a 10 Pro just to confuse people.

[@fromfin90]

@@CrawlerCanyon that would be fun

[@me-rn7jx]

I must be the only person left still with 0% overdrive😂 I'm looking to put like what 12% in my 10.3 though now. I've never driven overdrive so am I in for a life changing surprise?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

At the least you'll get tighter turning and less chance to "doodlebug" over backwards. I don't really think there's a drawback to 12%.

[@me-rn7jx]

@CrawlerCanyon you know what my scx10iii does😂 it does exactly that haha. I'll get some better shocks and some overdrive or underdrive maybe instead of gearing the pinion down.

[@me-rn7jx]

@@CrawlerCanyon doodlebug is a good word too👌😂

[@Bonitacreekrc2]

do xhx pins like big overdrive

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Not yet tested, but absolutely should, as the Comp Pins are great on big OD/UD.

[@tommyhogye6068]

Needs - not a axial gearbox and a rock pirates kraken chassis

[@DHFHades]

the Phoenix box says 6.5% & 33%. at least for the portal version

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Yeah, but they got the math wrong, from what I understand. If you look up the VFD Twin gearbox kit on Vanquish, it says something along the lines of "standard overdrive 6.5%, selectable overdrive 46%"

[@DHFHades]

@@CrawlerCanyon damn. they can't do math, they can't get the front shock towers right in the instructions...what can they do?...lol

[@SamStevens-vo9xx]

Yo

[@Bonitacreekrc2]

2nd like

[@Jon-flame74]

Magnets affect your tig ark use clamps buddy . Mig is ok with magnets 🧲

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I don't know what the context for this comment is, as I've never tig welded in my life, and wouldn't really consider what I've done with mig to even be welding.