Crawler Canyon Quick(re)view: Hobbywing Quicrun Fusion 2300kv

[@Oper8or]

Sir, your videos have just sent my wallet into a state of demise. After much consideration, debating, and down right arguing with myself. I've settled on the build. You have inspired me to build a hodge podge Element. Bit of this, bit of that, dash of something else. Parts ordered and are now on their way. I might make a video, doubt it, but I might. I've slacked in making them for a long while now. I'm a bit of a brazen individual and I'm not safe for work or children's ears. But as always another excellent video and thank you for your advice.

[@thindigital]

Also sold I'll get one for my upcoming 410 builders bundle build. I've had a go with my mates fusion and the best way I can describe it is like resolution in gaming, it's like playing in 4k when you're used to 720p. The feeling of fidelity over my usual budget brushless stuff was noticable.

[@chrispearce9224]

These crawler systems nowadays....Wow. I am super impressed. I got one of the first batches of the Quicrun 2300's and love it. I also have a year older Xerun 2800KV 540L and it is an absolute blast as well. They're so good that I have never had the desire to get into the whole silent outrunner chase. I don't go to competitions or anything so the extra weight of the Hobbywings is no biggie.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Nothing is going to out-torque an outunner, but I don't know if anything is gonna out-smooth a Fusion Pro.

[@BULLMAN84]

Getting one of these for my Phoenix portal kit. Thanks for the awesome video!

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Best powerplant for the VFD Twin, IMO. Bought one, ended up with three (so far.)

[@buddybirddog8177]

I'm sold...great review

[@TheAmericanUhate]

Put one in my phoenix portal kit. Just got it built a few days ago and been trying to finish painting the body so I can try it out lol. Have the old school 1200kv fusion in my trx4 and it's been perfect for it

[@letsgetitrc]

Spektrum version is what I have and it is amazing. Got tired of waiting when they came out they was impossible to get. I run spektrum battery’s for the self discharge and ease of use so works out. Great review 👍

[@fejwe]

Really appreciated the detailed breakdown. I'm definitely putting one in my upcoming Vanquish builder's bundle project, and may also throw one in my Gatekeeper eventually. It's just such a good motor I want it in everything.

[@malky525]

Sold! My new phoenix heart. Impressive review. Thank you.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I really do think that the Pro is the perfect powerplant for a Phoenix. Super low speed, plenty of RPM for bump, tons of torque, and perhaps most importantly in the limited real estate of a Phoenix, no ESC to cram in there.

[@jammer2150]

Good video, I have had the spektrum firma 2300kv in my Phoenix for almost a year now before that it had the fusion 1800kv and the Firma system I felt was slightly better if not just for the extra kv it goes just as slow and quiet as your video here. back when I installed it I knew nothing about it other than it was a 2-in-1 system I did not read up on it at all just installed and ran it , but I noticed it would roll a bit before drag brake would fully engage, and then on a hill if I barley touched the throttle it would roll backwards, I thought maybe it is gear lash from the portals and transmission. I asked on the forums and quickly found out I did not have TH Matching turned on and was told to bump my drag brake up to level 6 on both force and rate once I set those the uphill roll back from a stop went away and no more down hill rolling forward a few inches after off throttle, I was very very pleased with the Firma after that. I had one guy tell me he could set the throttle trim go make a sandwich and his rig would still be climbing the ramp when he came back :) Thumbs Up.

[@mclarenf115]

nice. i just installed the firma 1400kv. on my twin hammers. its the only one that would fit. the hobbywing is a bit too long. love it. as you said. it crawls super slow.

[@killerinstink9260]

Amazing motor,the slow crawl is unbelievable. It will twist you arm around so slow you won't notice it before it has turned 360° 🤣

[@kravenkrawlhobby5438]

I knew you were gonna dig the 2300 pro. I’m not to sure it’s capabilities can be beat.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Like I said, shot right to the top of my favorites list. That low speed is just ridiculous.

[@rrzrrich]

Furitek lizard ten

[@CrawlerCanyon]

@@rrzrrich While I can't speak to the capabilities, I can't get past the lack of waterproofing at that pricepoint, or the just overall footprint of the thing. Sure, a flashed AM32 won't be waterproof either, but it will be TINY, and needs no fan or other heat removal equipment, so I can shove it in a box. The whole presentation of the Lizard 10 is odd to me. As much as I love outrunners, it's tough to argue the simplicity of the Fusion Pro.

[@themountain59]

That is one sweet looking car ! The ESCcombo is real nice...I prefer my AM32 with an outrunner for competition though. Its ideal for a trail truck. The radiolink is by far the best budget radio in the moment.

[@michalk7561]

I have one , and love it .

[@freerangehuman1976]

Great video very helpful.

[@cookeemon67]

awesome video, gonna be putting one of these in my builders bundle. it'll be my first one but super excited to try it. thanks for all the awesome information! also what body is that? it looks super good!

[@CrawlerCanyon]

The "I had never seen it before I bought it" TRX-4 Sport Body w/ Camper (TRA8112.). It's a great looking body, and the availability of the bolt-on bits (front grille, rear fascia, mirrors/snorkel) were motivation enough. And cheap by crawler standards, It was only about $70 all in with the add-ons.

[@rccrawlingaddict207]

A G R E E D .........I love my Fusion Pro!

[@justinluczak5611]

Also thanks for the great video!!

[@neildaniels5443]

I know I'm late to the party, is it possible you can provide a link to to programme card needed for the fusion pro , it would be greatly appreciated 👍 thanks keep up the great videos.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

It's the same card for (I think) all of the car ESCs, so if you already have a program card for a 1080 or similar, it will work. If this is your first Hobbywing, it's this guy: amzn.to/3xcfmr7 All of 10 bucks.

[@neildaniels5443]

@@CrawlerCanyon thanks, this is my first, haven't built any rigs since original Clod Buster lol been out the hobby for a while, getting back into it with a gmade gs01 chassis kit so experimenting with crawlers, again thank you for your reply much appreciated.

[@njohnsonII]

Great video! Thanks for the detailed commentary. Was the Fusion a clean drop in to the VFD or did you need to make any modifications?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Fits perfect. It's only a couple millimeters longer than a 540.

[@njohnsonII]

@@CrawlerCanyon thanks for the quick reply. I typically run Castle+HH combos. I like the non linear throttle curve. However, I may give this a shot.

[@HoundStuff]

Nice video, thanks!

[@Elaba83]

When you turn off the RPM matching, soes it feel the same like running a brushed system, when you need to overcome a rock? (Like you need to apply more power to overcome the obstacle)

[@wolf71645]

Have you tried the hair nets I've been having good luck with them on my ecto !

[@SteveClayson]

would i be able to run two of these fusion pros on a moa using a spektrum rugged controller ?? or would i run into problems

[@CrawlerCanyon]

To my knowledge, all of the "5 series" Spektrum radios (which include the Rugged) have full channel mixing capabilities, so you should absolutely be able to run a pair of Fusions MOA. I only used channel mixing on my DX5c for steering, but the process should be very similar-- it is not a wildly intuitive or straightforward process though, thanks mostly to Spektrum's wonky menu layout and proclivity for assigning every button on the controller to a random function, and then never telling you what that function is. So it can do it-- I just can't tell you how to get it to do it. I got so frustrated with operating my Spektrum gear that I up and sold all of it.

[@SteveClayson]

@@CrawlerCanyon thanks for the quick reply, is there a different radio you would recommend for the job instead of a spektrum?

[@MillyAire]

Can I plug an 11.1v lithium ion battery onto it as last one blew up. Maybe wires crossed?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I don't see why not-- I run everything on 3S LiPo, which are 12.6V at full charge.

[@MillyAire]

@@CrawlerCanyon thanks bud

[@thegreatrc9302]

Great video! I have an 1800kv Fusion. The uphill start up is ultra slow but downhill is a tad faster and not ultra slow and it is noticeable on steep declines. Is the Pro’s uphill and downhill startup a lot smoother than the previous Fusion 1800kv or is it pretty much the same? Do they have the same smoothness? Thanks!

[@CrawlerCanyon]

The old 1800 Fusion is great, but the Pro is next level. It's the smoothest thing I've ever driven. In terms of overall smoothness: Fusion SE > Legacy Fusion > Fusion Pro. All of which are smoother than most everything out there. The startup on an SE is smoother than a Castle Coppehead. + Slate, so it's not exactly jumpy.

[@venomrogue1]

You’ve got that radio personality voice. Ever thought about that line of work?

[@justinluczak5611]

I know this video is a bit old now. Just installing my fusion pro in my vs4-10 with a VRD twin. I currently have 13 or 14 pinion. I was thinking of trying to get a 12. What pinion are you running here and what do you recommend? Sorry if you mentioned it and I missed it

[@CrawlerCanyon]

With portals you can get away with 13-15 pretty easily. If you're on straights, you'll want the 12 for sure. Maybe smaller.

[@justinluczak5611]

@@CrawlerCanyon thanks so much, I’m on straights!

[@ka4172]

I got the normal Fusion 1800 in my TRX4 Defender (TRX4 sport based) sometimes at 3S higher wheel speed situations the Fusion change from 3S too 2S and (lack of speed and power) back too 3S when i crawl slower speeds. my truck weight a round 3kg whats my fault ? I have never changed any specs at the Fusion.I run also a Aces six with non problems in Power at 3S with the same Lipos in the same truck.I love my aces six for power!

[@CrawlerCanyon]

So what you're saying is sometimes it feels like the power is dropping to a lower level, almost like the battery is running out of voltage? I'm not 100% ruling out something wrong with the Fusion, but I always start with the simplest things-- last time I had a power system that would cut out momentarily it turned out the plug going into the receiver had pulled out a little. Also check to make sure all of the solder joints on the power connections. Nine times out of ten it's the simplest thing. So we try to isolate those nine things before we resign ourselves to the fact that it might be the tenth.

[@mclarenf115]

looks great

[@martpav]

how did you get accessories (like lights) to work as the Fusion Pro 2300 has no accessory port and you removed the XL-5 when installing the motor?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Either run them off of receiver power, or use a standalone BEC to power them.

[@martinmills6980]

The same as yourself I recently got the 2300kv Pro fitted in my gatekeeper build kit with jconcepts creep body fitted, I also did the artful dodgers soa and foxbelly. It's running aluminium beadlocks with hair bunned canyon trails and I consider myself to crawl with reasonable finesse. But to my amazement my good friend who crawls with me using his box stock apart from aluminium beedlock wheels also with hair bunned canyon trails can easily do 97% of the lines I can do. I really thought I would have seen a far greater difference in my extensive, expensive upgraded gatecreepers capabilities and his truck. What single item/thing should give the greatest gains in your mind?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Not to sound trite, but the greatest gains come from wheeltime. Just drive it more. If you haven't "tuned" your Canyon Trails yet I highly recommend doing so-- they get MUCH better. More wheeltime will start to show you any "holes" in the rig's performance, so you can start tuning to adjust them. You might find big changes come from simply adding or removing weight, or something as simple as changing link positions or adjusting the wheelbase-- for instance, a longer wheelbase is going to climb a more vertical surface more easily (all other things being equal) because a longer wheelbase is less likely to end-over-end (takes more force to "flip" it) at the exchange of worse breakover angle. It's all compromise. At the end of it, it does come down to that 3%. Getting the first 97% might come right out of the box (like with the Phoenix) and the rest is spent chasing the minutiae.

[@martinmills6980]

@@CrawlerCanyon thanks for your input. I have done the usual tricks to my canyon trials at the time I removed them from their plastic wheels, snipped and siped. As far as the weight goes I have got the rig as close to 60/40 front bias, this was a surprise as I ended up removing the ssd knuckles to accomplish the balance. In the back of my mind I am slowly considering changing the rear end completely from the standard trailing arm setup to a conventional 4 link with the lower links coming all the way from the fox belly skid plate, and hopefully keeping to the standard wheelbase of the gatekeeper. I'll see how she goes for now, but have this up my sleeve for later. Once again thank you. Keep up your wonderful and thoroughly enjoyable work.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Lil Yella (now on the Amazon LCG) began life with trailing arms, and the single biggest performance improvement I made to him was switching the rear end to 4-link. Those trailing arms are for just that-- trailing. I have found them to be a hindrance once the climbs get properly steep. I have purchased perhaps too many GK kits, and there are no trailing arms in my fleet, minus the Ryft. And even that one is getting a looking at.

[@rcplaytime]

Love it 💪💪💪😀👍

[@NUIVIBER5]

What direct power servo would you recommend? Gonna be a switching all my rigs to DP servos but don't know much about them.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Budget range: For a long time, my favorite 3S-direct servo was the AGFRC SA75, but the price (supply chain related, I'm sure) kept creeping up and up. So now my go-to for 3S is the same servo that went into this build, the Flash Hobby M50BHW. Usually around $57 or so, sometimes there's a random discount. They also have a 60kg version out (the M60BHW)-- for about the same money as the M50, but I haven't gotten a chance to try one yet. For 4S-direct, it has to be the NSDRC RS500b. Brilliant servo for 60 bucks. Spendy: for 3S-direct, I would say the AGFRC A86BUMW, but again, the supply chain-- that guy is EXPENSIVE now-- last I saw, almost 170. The NSDRC RS800 is fantastic, and will do 900oz on 3S and 1100oz on 4S-- for $120.

[@NUIVIBER5]

@@CrawlerCanyon thanks so much for the info. I was able to find the servo. Pretty good specs for the price. It will be a nice addition to my Phoenix build!

[@neildaniels5443]

Is there a goto servo you would recommend to go with the Fusion pro 2300kv 2in1

[@CrawlerCanyon]

As of today, I think the direct power Flash Hobby 60kg (the M60BHW: amzn.to/3xdyODY ) is the best servo for the money. Around 800oz (on 3S) for 60 bucks.

[@neildaniels5443]

@@CrawlerCanyon when you say direct power does that mean it has a separate battery,? Sorry to be a noob on this .

[@CrawlerCanyon]

No, direct power servos run directly off of the main battery. More torque, more runtime, never have to worry about the ESC's internal BEC not being strong enough.

[@neildaniels5443]

@@CrawlerCanyon ah ok, thank you for your time much appreciated 🙏

[@pbruteforce1]

What are the biggest difference between the fusion pro and the original fusion?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

The biggest difference would be the shorter can length-- the legacy Fusion was too long to fit in gearboxes like the VFD Twin. Beyond that, whatever wizardry HW is doing with FOC control, the Pro has the smoothest start/low-end of pretty much anything I've ever tested. The legacy Fusion is REAL good, it's just that the Pro is next-level. It's so smooth, and with 2300kv, you get wheelspeed you would never get from the 1200 or 1800.

[@chriscord6524]

I think #futaba should have you review the new 10ch tx. You could really show us how to use all those features. I want Futaba gear, but besides Josh at hd I don’t see non racers use them. I hate money just as much as any racer. #FUTABA

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Futaba 7PXR, $700. Futaba 10PX, $800. Meanwhile, I'm over here with a literal wagonload of $60 cheapos from Radiolink and Flysky. I haven't owned a Futaba radio since the 3PM. 😂 They long ago priced themselves out of my market. I was always an Airtronics guy-- started on an XL2P.

[@chriscord6524]

@@CrawlerCanyon I get it, but what you have is the arena to test and compare in a controlled environment, before I sell all my graveside recycling profits

[@Clodercs]

Very nice video,where can i get such a nice body like that to put on my Phoenix.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

That is the Traxxas "Sport Camper" bit.ly/415EMoA with the headlights bit.ly/4847dWp and taillights bit.ly/3uNQ6cK and snorkel and mirrors bit.ly/482ko9Z Thanks to the body being pretty affordable, the "total package" isn't too bad by crawler body standards.

[@Clodercs]

@@CrawlerCanyon You did a very nice paint job😁

[@Js_junkyard]

So for twice the price, is the pro THAT much better than the SE?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Not for me. The Pro is very, good. But I don't think it's twice as good. Most of my rigs also don't need that much surplus wheelspeed. Of the three flavors, I'd have to say the 1200 is my favorite.

[@vbspeed7571]

Sweet.qucik review ✌️

[@concretechef9904]

I've yet to see an ourrunner beat out high kv low gearing inrunner

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I dunno-- the long-body 900kv I have in my "big" Capra is an absolute clamp when it comes to drag brake, and has enough torque to snap axle housings-- which I've done. I imagine something like 600kv on 6S would be a bonafide stump puller. I think I'm still a dedicated Fusion Pro guy now, though. It's just so easy to use. So smooth. Clean install.

[@72twist]

The BEC is 6A not 3A.

[@stevebuchanan5773]

What foams in the landmines

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Stock JConcepts mediums, the ones that come with the tires. Other than Holds, I think all of my JConcepts tires are on their "stock" foams.

[@pwrofgrayskull]

Very informative, thank you! 👍✌️

[@christopherbouman160]

What body is this?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

TRX-4 Sport w/ Camper, TRA8112.

[@christopherbouman160]

Have you ever made a trailing arm suspension with a cantilever shock set up and sway bar.

[@garyclark24]

Question, my first ever build is the straight axle Phoenix and I put a holmes hobbies puller pro stubby 2700 in it with a momba x, it chugs on slow crawl, what did I do wrong?

[@letsgetitrc]

Ya didn’t buy a fusion 😊

[@Esteb858]

@Gary Clark look up Holmeshobbies and his tutorial on programming the Castle CopperHead 10 ESC (same programming parameters as the MambaX) and that will help you get that dialed.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Yeah, I would definitely go through the settings on the Mamba in Castle Link. I've never had a Castle ESC that didn't require a fair bit of tweaking to get it running to my liking.

[@EricsRC]

I just got my profusion 2in1 and was looking for some good settings. What were your final setting on your programming card?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I don't do many big changes-- I usually lower punch a click or two, and soften the drag brake rate (I think I run all of mine at 3, possibly 4) and of course turn reverse down to 50%. Full reverse is for crazy people. I don't like to take out too much punch in the ESC-- if it's still abrupt, I'll take out some Expo in the radio to smooth the trigger response.

[@EricsRC]

@CrawlerCanyon lol yeah that reverse at full is insane! Thank you for your answers. Subbed!