Crawler Canyon Quick(re)view: Injora 1.9" Silicone Inserts (blue)

[@TheOtherSock-728]

I'm so glad you put these through the protocol! It gives us a thorough metric for comparison. Now to see if they are tunable... snip, snip, cut, cut... wrap with vegetable foam...

[@elduderinolebowski5411]

This is a really good, surprisingly good, combination of tire and insert, and a perfect example of how good it can be when an insert is developed specifically for a certain tire and application. It's amazing to see how far this development has come, and to see Injora delivering this level of performance at that price point. I'm very impressed. I was not expecting those tires to do that well in the first place, much less to do even better with the silicone inserts. This sets a very high bar indeed for the other non-foam inserts on the market. I hope they continue developing these for other tire combinations and in greater vehicle weight ranges. Speaking to the 3D printed insert aspect, you made some really important points. I've got a 3D printer, and I've spent a lot of time and a lot of test prints, developing my own insert. Without looking at what other people were doing, without looking at what else was out there, this was just a personal project to make something that does what I want it to do, in the tires I want to run. I have hit on a successful combination, but it took a long time and a lot of work, drawing them up in CAD, modeling and printing, testing, repeat. I'm well over a hundred iterations into the process, and I've come up with a number of different designs that in my opinion work really well in certain applications, and would probably work well as general inserts, but didn't do what I want them to do. If I were trying to make money at this and that was my business model, I'd already be so far in the hole they'll never pay for themselves. Fortunately I already had the 3D printer and I already use it for many other projects, this was just a side project for my own curiosity. As I said, I did finally arrive on a pattern that does what I want it to do, and works the way I want it to work. I've designed a set of inserts that work the way I want them to work, specifically in Traxxas Canyon Trail tires, with a slightly modified version that is equally capable in the RC4WD licensed Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac 4.75 tires. What I've come up with are essentially perfect for what I want them to be, on the cars I run them on, to do what we do where we live, with the trucks we drive. Would they be equally acceptable for anyone else in any other circumstances? probably not. And if they were good enough to sell, I'd never recoup my research and development costs. As you said, $5.25 per insert is really cheap and hard to beat from the DIY/home builder perspective. My insert design is very open and airy, and so uses a lot less TPU, so in materials cost is considerably less than five dollars per insert, but when you factor in electricity for the printer, various consumables, the time it actually takes to print the inserts, and especially if you factor in the development costs, it gets prohibitively expensive really fast. These Injora inserts are a steal.

[@Andy_Yates]

Cool to see some potential in this design. I'd be curious to see how these do in a 4.65 or 4.75 as I believe that's what most will try first. The Injora pins with these inserts look pretty awesome. And really though, hats off to Injora for trying Silicone, a creative alternative to 3d printing and the standard foams.

[@brianreigle7905]

I ordered the same exact combo last week and now I watch your video and have to say I think I'm going to have the best setup of Injora tires and insert to date. Can't wait to give them a run and see how they compare to some of my JC tires that I know are exceptionally good overall. Price wise they're going to be tough to beat. I also have the Injora KLM's so may order another set of these new silicone inserts for those tires.

[@lippedgerm]

Great crawling spot you have set up! Love it good review!

[@Gibsonlife573]

One thing I have noticed I usually run a 3D printed insert the dual stage setup with the new little foam stuff the veggie foam or hair buns

[@dezfan]

I wonder what some targeted removal of supports would soften the inserts a bit?🤨. Appreciate the review. 👍🏼

[@StubbsRC]

Just slapped a set in tusk, with a donut shaped sheet of rpe foam in each. We shall see how they do 😮

[@Callahangonefishin]

Great review Brother! I bought a baseline Sendero SE as my first move up from the SCX24 based on your videos. I've got the Injora offset beadlocks on the way, and these tires and inserts in my cart. I think I'll likely pick up the Fusion 1200 and a compatible receiver for my Flysky GT5 and should be good to go I think. Appreciate you putting in the work. Cheers

[@CrawlerCanyon]

A stock SE will be a little bit light for the silicone inserts to do their very best, but you should do well. You'll want something in the low-mid 20s for pinion (I run a 24T) for the 1200. The feel is perfect. Don't forget to caster flip! Oh, and as you may or may not know, the SE is a 12.3" rig that comes with a 12.8" body, so you're either going to have to chop fenders or lengthen the rear. The SE is imperfect, but might be impossible to beat at 299. Especially considering the competition.

[@Callahangonefishin]

Thank you for all the great advice and how-to's Sir! I recall your vid on the castor flip, and appreciate the tip on the pinion change. I'm going to go back to the beginning of your series and re-watch all those vids re. truck and chassis setup. I'm excited to get this rig together and ready to take down to the river rocks this spring. Have a great week! Cheers@@CrawlerCanyon

[@zukiguy86]

Just threw on the swamp claws with Injoras GREEN inserts!!! No cutting and they are perfect on my phoenix!!!!

[@The_Craw1space]

The "picture in picture" side-by-side comparison is AWESOME! Maybe use this idea to compare "junk-view" tires/ inserts against the best tested to date? Sorry, didn't mean to piss you off the other day. Look forward to seeing your video tomorrow

[@jasoncouy2075]

What if you cut some of the center supports and add your thin fridge foam for bigger tires.

[@mishmasta]

I'd be curious to see a comparison with the weight compensated. 264g added down low would be a significant change to weight bias for most vehicles. If you added the same weight to each wheel with the standard foams how would the results compare?

[@dagkirk]

Waiting for mine, along with the Injora pin tires that you talked me into a few videos back. 😂

[@valleymade9563]

After watching this video I will be getting green inserts for the front , and blue for the rear. No squish is good either love the build

[@pandacrawler6x6]

💪🏻🏆👍🏻 Awesome Review and very usefull to! I'm whaiting for some of that Injora "Foams" and this Vídeo helps a lot!!! 💪🏻🐼👍🏻❤Thks for the info share my Friend!

[@PIZZA_and_NITRO]

I absolutely appreciate all of your videos. Unbiased, pure and simple truth is an underappreciated asset these days. With that said... What are you using in that dauber bottle ? The seal coat before you reassembled the beadlocks in this video, I've got to know!

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Bubble juice! Stolen from my method of mounting tubeless tires on bikes. Soapy water stays soapy forever, but bubble juice dries kinda tacky.

[@jleftbrane]

Bubble juice?

[@derrickhays3627]

Great set up together! maybe throw them in the Klerms just to see? Awesome as always thanks.

[@pwrofgrayskull]

Excellent review as always, thank you!!

[@The_RC_Family]

Thumbed! Watching with high hopes!!! Thank you Mr CC

[@drz_rc]

I just got a set in the mail today. They did awesome in my setup! Injora deep dish with Proline Krawler’s (predator) on a slightly modded Basecamp (portal). They seem to actually perform better than my dual stage concoction that I prefer on most everything.

[@thatoneguy2756]

Did u order direct from the injora store or amazon?

[@drz_rc]

@@thatoneguy2756 I ordered them from Amazon. It took about 2-1/2 weeks or so to get here, but it was definitely worth it. I ordered the pin tires the same day and they are still another week or so out from being delivered. Definitely a bit of wait time in these things, but so far, they seem awesome. It was wet and muddy here yesterday, so I didn’t get to really test them too hard, but even in those conditions, I can tell that they are gonna work great in the set of Krawler’s.

[@thatoneguy2756]

@@drz_rc thanks for the reply!

[@drz_rc]

@@thatoneguy2756 no problem

[@francotarantino982]

I run Deep woods (super soft) on the front and Klerms ( firm) on the rear. This combo seems to work great on my highly modified TRX4.

[@dingledisco]

That's a cool crawler course 👍

[@2Geek2bChic]

Bigger size options for these inserts would be nice to see. The sidehill was unexpected! 🤓

[@crimsonfancy]

Hugely entertaining. Well done 🍻

[@toxiczman]

They have a green insert for 2-3 kg rigs now, I think i need to try those as well as these

[@A-a-ron01220]

In their website in their questions section. They already said they are working on class 1 and softer inserts. Also said maybe to 1" tires. No plans for 2.2 yet I have a heavy gen 8 at about 4 something kg and if I ever get the blues I'll update this comment.

[@IowLad]

I have just made up some injora wheels, with green silicone inserts and Injora tyres combo.. Yet to see the outcome.. But I did notice how heavy the wheels etc are now.

[@DSMOffRoad]

I really like your video style. Great review.

[@CarEnjoyer85]

injora have since come out with a green one for lighter crawlers. im just waiting for the 1.0 size for my trx4m

[@Team_ReVolt]

You found a magical combo 🤩😎 Man I hope these make the KLeRMs work! About the Pro Comps: do they start to show any wear?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

No visible wear yet, which is surprising.

[@arthopfer]

It would be interesting to see them in a set of prolines or canyon trails.

[@JIPPERR_1]

Is it ever the case in crawlers that heavier is better? Seems like light is going to be easier to get over a hill but maybe traction could be tuned with adding a little mass? Just a thought

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I think there's absolutely a happy medium. Most rigs seem to end up between six and seven pounds, so these should be pretty good. Not perfect, but at 21 bucks a set, REAL good. I have no idea what the red ones are for.

[@lastcreations8845]

Obviously people build differently, i come from comp side old school. Set weight bias and tune from there. tire can only give you so much traction, less weight makes is easier on all components including tire and traction. contact patch, tire compound, tread all play a roll, but lightweight with optimized mention prior items is extremely hard to beat. I also think it is easier and quicker to tune lighter rigs. im sub 5, think like 4.6-4.7 lbs c2. In your example, If weight bias is set, i would play with contact patch, less would be firmer insert more weight on the smaller patch, or more would be softer insert with weight placed over more area (my recommendation) If you dont see improvement you might just flat be at the tire max of what it can offer in traction ( tread or compound )

[@Cranklotus]

"And i sniffed them!" had me laughing my ass off.

[@antmill7405]

What about cutting relief slots/drill holes in the top layer of webbing to "soften them up? Cut n tune?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

The stiff part is the "middle" layer, which is nearly incompressible. I think a long, sharp pair of scissors cut be used to cut out every other web in that ring, and they would likely get better at most everything. But I'm not carving up my only set. Once I have my hands on a second set, I can get to cutting.

[@antmill7405]

A good strategy. Thanks for all the great content. You give a way for the budget builder to compare the goods without having to do the" buy and try method" with no real understanding if they'll actually work. For some reason, I have this urge to refer to all my rigs as "boys" now. Haha Thanks for what you do.

[@lastcreations8845]

Do they bounce on the bench ? tread and compound plus should have a little feathering i would guess now. Too firm, did not see the improvement personally. IMO, little behind on slick, behind / lack of squish needed at daphne/undertaker, oddly didnt take weight transfer on sidehill (wash), behind on beast on both sides, foams ran slightly further left line a at oblivion, different lines at dead but look easier on odd lines with foams. IDK 66g, soften them by drilling them ? i suppose it is a option, and price makes it possible for sure. See a SKINNY tire does work. would these be tire implants ? :) fun look at them and great test work as always.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

They're pretty dead bounce-wise, and I agree too firm-- at least for Baseline at barely 6lbs. On something around 7lbs, these could well be perfect. I have heightened hopes because these did very nearly as well as open cell in forward drive, and lateral positioning went WAY up. The handling feels absolutely precise. And let's not forget the REAL advantage over foam-- they're never gonna break down, and you could drive them through a lake.

[@lastcreations8845]

@@CrawlerCanyon 6 rtr ? or no wheels and tires, i was thinking he was pretty light no wheels tires, and why the lighter soft foams and these tires did so well on him. these inserts look workable i think, just need to soften them up like 30%

[@CrawlerCanyon]

@@lastcreations8845 yeah, that's RTR-- and his Hotstorm wheels are chonky boys, he's near the kilo-o-wheelos with them. So he's perhaps under 4lbs no wheels/tires.

[@dante319]

been thinking of getting these (think im to blame for the 8KG rating lol) since that's almost 18lbs and i have done as much as i can to add weight to my build and its only at 14lbs (with wheels) and I'm running the red ring injora 2 stage foams on both 1.9 and 2.2 wheels (prefer the 2.2's for scale given the body and wheel arches etc) and they feel great. if you're wondering, I'm running a front mount 2 speed from integy, tenshock 2400kv, HW 120A ESC, upgraded every piece with as strong and powerful as i could afford and all metal everything aside from the Cherokee hard body and a few small things and added stick on wheel weights to the inside of the ring between the foams lol

[@lowslowcrawlers1304]

The power hobby jetkos came off the bead in every rim I have, multiple times.. how did you mount yours? I'm gonna order these just because the other ones don't mount right for me lol

[@CrawlerCanyon]

The PH Grabbers mounted okay (by Jetko standards) but the Pro Comps definitely went on easier. I run every test tire on a set of Amazon 1.9 beadlocks with 24mm wide beadlock ring, and use bubble juice to facilitate mounting when necessary. Some rims are much trickier, like steelies. No hard lip, so they tend to squidge the tire out.

[@verpine3534]

I know for scale vehicles like the FSM FJ40 or Mashigan, you're looking at 11-13 lbs, therefore calling for the red inserts. Unfortunately, Injora doesn't have red silicone inserts for 1.9 tires at this time.

[@nickbates2009]

I have a custom trx6 I built it keeps getting heavier but it weighs 12 pounds as it is and I haven’t even added brass to the axles and wheels yet soooo I’m glad the reds exist

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I run the softest inserts I can find in my rear four, because all of the weight is split between 4 rear tires. Just think-- 12lbs, but 6 wheels. With a very optimistic 60/40 split, that would be 7lbs up front and 5lbs in the back (roughly) so each rear wheel only has 1.25lbs on it. Greens are almost too firm. I'll find a use for the reds. Eventually.

[@HVT03]

I feel like those inserts are really good, but being only in that size and hardness, isnt going to help more than 5 tires maybe. Hopefully we will see more sizes and softer inserts, but i guess the CC dual stage still on top of the insert battle

[@meirdeaph]

Awesome ❤

[@henryoak2001]

Would you put these Injora inserts into a rupture with a shim?

[@KearSki]

So, coming from the scale/trail truck area and less on the crawler side, other people here in the have talked about the red ones being more firm. I own two trucks that weigh over 10 pounds, absolutely clapped out in heavy steel n' brass mods with full depth interiors, crew figures and random stuff. Something tells me that is what the red ones are for? They'd probably be useful in something like a 6x6 tow truck (TRX-6 hauler?) Or perhaps towing a trailer. The size is a little odd for such a use case though, as both my heavy weight rigs are on tires that are smaller than these inserts and a larger TRX-6 style vehicle is usually spotted on a larger 4.7 inch size tire with a larger 2.2 wheel... Yeah, I don't know what those red ones are for...the small group of people with heavy weight tube frame trucks that need/want a foamless tire? Weirdos that want extemely stiff tires on a lighter truck? Maybe they messed up and accidentally made a huge batch out've the wrong compound?...I dunno. All I do know is that I wish Injora or someone would make an 'air-less- tire style tire, like those weird honeycomb ones that were trialed on the Humvee years ago, niche as all heck but...I want some anyways. (On the airless tire thing, I know RC4WD made some years ago, I've never seen a set for sale and they were super tall.)

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Also, with the TRX-6 (at least with mine) I have to put the absolute softest inserts I can find in the rear tires, because the load is so spread out. Even the Injora blue would be far too stiff.

[@davidwatlington3737]

Please sir, you must try those inserts in normal size crawler tires. Very soon!

[@Fortes_RC_Adv]

Nice video👍

[@jayleeson8517]

Now mr Canyon I do hope you grab another pair and try them on jolly green

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Oh, they would be WAY too stiff. On the 6x6, the rear inserts need to be as soft as I can find, as the load is spread out between four tires. He just runs single stage foams, the softest in the collection.

[@crawljoerg]

Sehr schönes Video !!!

[@charleshurley8927]

i have tried to get on to order a crawler canyon tee but the website is down?

[@brianmorrison2846]

Good evening

[@Bonitacreekrc2]

how do you think the injora silicons would do in stock redcat ascent tires? i will have injora 67 gram brass portal covers on it and injora aluminum rims

[@fromfin90]

hmm, might try them in my Trenchers just because

[@NTX_RC]

Red ones are for the brassed out TRX4 crowd lol

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I guess I gotta slap more brass on Ironsides, as he's pretty chonked out and barely 9lbs.

[@pwrofgrayskull]

What do you think…would these be horrible inserts for a 45mm wide tire?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I direct you to Baggy Trousers kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJLdpZSwmsqAppI , in which we test just that. Further, I test a "shimmed" cut blue in JConcepts Megalithics here kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoXdhKOAeaZqkK8

[@twilliamrc4wd]

Are you going to try the red ones out they are a little bit firmer and heavier

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I have no idea what the red ones are for. I don't have a single rig heavy enough to use them. Even these are slightly too stiff for anything low-6lb or below. Around 7lbs is probably the sweet spot for the blues.

[@Clodercs]

Hahahaaha when i saw them on Aliexpress i knew you where gone test them not so far😊

[@thindigital]

Welcome fellow tire sniffers!

[@kellykuretich6366]

👍👍

[@Cranklotus]

do you prefer them over the dual stage?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I still think that the home-brew dual stage is more versatile. Having the Injora as an option is great, though-- and for more narrow tires (which are apparently becoming more and more popular) they may indeed be a better fit. The beauty of TimTins + fridge foam is you can tune them in terms of height, width, firmness, etc, all in the same insert.

[@Cranklotus]

@@CrawlerCanyon thanks! I'll grab the off brand or whatever. I can't find timrtins for 2.2 but I found an unmarked brand for 13$. What is the difference between the red ones and blue?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

@@Cranklotus with the Injoras, the red is for I don't know who, because they're rated for rigs up to 8kg-- 17.6lbs. The blues are perfect if you're in the 7-9lb range. There is a brand making 2.2 dual stages-- Lafeina amzn.to/4aTv5Oy and they're pretty darn close. You usually need to do three wraps of foam around the inner to fill out a 2.2, and I"ve not tried them on any of the bigguns, like 5.75" stuff. I use them for the 2.2s that are closer to 1.9s externally, in and around 5" tall (like Canyon Trails, Hyrax LP, etc.)

[@mrdrifty6580]

You have a radio talk show host voice

[@FaithSaraG]

I guess the ones I sent can go in your Klerms.

[@thatoneguy2756]

I was hoping he was gonna fit these blues in the fake klr/m tires as well.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

They absolutely will. The KLeRM is the tire that I most want to like and end up just feeling "meh" about.

[@jord001]

@@CrawlerCanyon You have a set from me on the way too so you will be able to test a few different tyres.

[@Gibsonlife573]

Who the hell told them that any crawler was going to weigh that much where did they get that idea

[@soundscare]

All the people adding brass

[@CrawlerCanyon]

My buddy put all the brass possible on his UGRC Climbenstein, and it only added about a pound and a half. That rig is like 7.5lbs, still below the "blue threshold." The reds, rated at 8kg, are bonkers.

[@DTW-bx2vy]

All the trail rigs that are brass happy, but people should be removing weight instead of adding unnecessary weight in all honesty. The fact is, if a crawler rig needs weight, it was never designed properly to begin with.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

@@DTW-bx2vy I think that's an over-generalization, unless you don't think crawlers should have bodies of any kind. Some setups need less weight, but virtually every one, regardless of design, can benefit from some brass knuckles in the front. In "stock" configuration the sprung-to-unsprung ratio is never going to be optimal, and some unsprung weight is going to improve performance. Particularly with scale guys that have bodies weighing more than whole rigs.

[@DTW-bx2vy]

Well of coarse some vehicles can benefit from adding weight. But if they where designed properly we would not need to make huge improvements to them. Look at how many changes you make to some of your rigs for an example just to get it to perform great.

[@edaforst]

Pěnová vložka se nechová jako normální kolo 😁

[@offroad1911]

You talk about smells. I opened a new bag of Proline 1.9 Swampers and the dog ran away. They had to be the worse ones I’ve opened to date.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

ProLine is truly something else. They smell TERRIBLE, and to different degrees-- like two packs of the same tire will be different type/level of stinkiness. The Predator Trenchers stank for at least a week after coming out of the bag.

[@JW-cn6op]

Put them in the Megalithics

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Don't have any, and quite likely never will. Amain is apparently never going to get them, and I"m not paying $80 a set direct from JConcepts-- especially when this setup is under $50 complete.

[@andrewhead4365]

@@CrawlerCanyonbeen in stock for a week

[@jjvizms]

Put those on the fake Tusks. That would be interesting.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I will be trying them in wider tires, but that is gonna be a whole lot of sidewall bagging, as the inserts are 7-8mm narrower than the inner width of most Class 2 tires.

[@Gibsonlife573]

Couldn't you have your shirts made by somebody else or haven't made for yourself and then sell them I guess I guess if they handle all the responsibility is what it is right I don't know for you to only be making $2 seems a little you know much being that it's your name yourself are the product I mean that's why guys would obviously buy the shirt is because it's you you know what I mean and we represent you but also I can see how it can be a real headache

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I'd rather have the 2 bucks than go through the hassle of logistics-- I can't stock every size, style, etc. I just wish their site was easier to use.

[@themountain59]

Well..they very blue...thats 4sure

[@redndeyes]

😂 they tried. I wonder if they actually make them unlike all the rest of their stuff is etched and repackaged

[@idiot_RC]

I know this is 2 months old at this point...been on the hunting trip of a lifetime and I have some catching up to do...the advertised KG weights don't surprise me at all. Ever seen a fully kitted out Injora rig? Those guys love their aluminum parts!

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I mean, I can see someone with full hardbody + accessories getting into that 12-14lb range, but 17lbs?