Crazy if you ignore these clubs!

[@croozer30ify]

Bought a set of Cleveland Launcher Turbo irons, best thing I did.

[@dogleg7401]

I have the Stealth 3 rescue. Changed my life. lol. I worked for many years on long irons and can hit them above average.But with this rescue. I KNOW i will get it there with the rescue. Thats huge in my game. The w 3 wood is also insane. The Stealth Driver? Doesn't go any further than the Sim.

[@seanconnors7639]

Got the Stealth 6 and 7 hybrids to replace my 5 and 6 irons due to gapping. Love the height and sound of the Stealths and they quickly became two of my favorites in the bag. 100% agreement on the idea of really hard to testi them. I generally play a stiff shaft and the only club I was able to test was the 5 hybrid in a senior flex. I had to mathematically work back the distance is to determine the 6 and 7 hybrid to get the gapping I needed. Since I play the Sim2 Max fairways. I felt confident in the stock shaft and stiff flex since that is what my fairway woods are. Wish the manufacturers had more of the higher lofted fairways and hybrid for golfers to test. I am also playing a 7W and 9 W and these have dramatically lowered my handicap.

[@000mch]

Please share how far you hit the Stealth 6 & 7 hybrids. I have the Sim 2 Max 4 & 5 hybrids but I have a gap in the 155-170 yard range.

[@seanconnors7639]

@@000mch - the 6H is a 180-185 club and the 7H is a 165-170. Gaps well into my 7 iron which is 155-160

[@000mch]

@@seanconnors7639 this is the exact information I needed. Thank you!

[@kennymchardy]

I added a 5 hybrid this year to replace a 3 hybrid. Fits nicely in terms of distance behind my 7 wood and no real loss of distance over 3H

[@johnk.atchley5079]

I agree totally with you, Andy. Go with the 25 degree hybrid. I had the opportunity to try the Stealth 25 degree at my range this afternoon. TaylorMade actually calls it a Rescue club, not a Hybrid. It came with a stock Fujikura Ventus Red shaft in A (senior) flex, 56 grams, 3.4 torque, high launch and spin. I would like to try the regular flex, but for the initial test run this was okay and in fact the Ventus A flex feels like many regular flex shafts and is not whippy. Wow. When I made a good swing, meaning with correct timing and sequence of body movement, not letting the arms overtake the lower body, making a full turn on the backswing, etc, etc, it flew like a giant 9 iron to a green 173 yards away. Strikes toward the toe or heel still produced reasonable distance. As my irons are forged blades, thin with weak lofts, my 4-iron would be the 24 degree iron to compare it with rather than my 5 iron. At age 80, I generally use my 4-iron for 165 yard carry shots. Oh, I might get 170 on a perfect strike, and less than perfect hits can be less than 165. I can get pretty good height on a perfect strike, but it is harder than with the Rescue. So the 25 degree Stealth Rescue won hands down and would be a better club for me, not only longer but also much more likely to stop on the green. And with my average drive being 225-240 yards, I have to use a long iron or hybrid for approach shots on par 4s of 390 to 415 yards. The only thing that would hold me back is the price, $280 US. Golf clubs are just too damn expensive.

[@marcelollerena3775]

I have a buddy that is just starting to play. He went to the range last week and was discouraged because he sucked with a 3 iron. I told him the long irons are the hardest to hit, to ditch them a get a hybrid. This video is EXACTLY what we talked about. I will be sending him this. Thanks.

[@markbean2777]

I just got fitted for a 4 Stealth hybrid, but it doesn't replace my 4 iron.. as my irons are close to traditional lofts.. 10 to 20 yards longer , but that then blends into my3 wood.

[@jimfox4758]

what shaft are you using

[@paulallengolfcoach6988]

I'm 63 years old. I purchased the 5, 6, and 7 Stealth hybrids and put them in my bag last week. They are excellent clubs. I am a club fitter at Golf Galaxy so, I get to try all the clubs. The Ping i525 is the next set of irons I'm going to buy.

[@coobay4786]

68 here and I play the Ping 2 thru 7 and will never go back to irons.

[@uncabuzz118]

Ha...I dropped my irons years ago. Hybrids are the only way to go. Be aware of the clubs you use in a round of golf and you'll see that carrying more than 8 or 9 clubs is a waste.

[@richarddavis3239]

Thanks as always for your vid, I found it very helpful. Can you say which course simulation software you’re using? It looks awesome.

[@paulaskey1508]

For me at my slow swing speed I go 7 wood then 6 hybrid. Launch, carry and forgiving

[@golfbn]

I'm 67 years old, and find now the longest iron in my bag is a 7 iron, as my club head speed drops I find myself adding more and more hybirds.

[@pellepettersson6564]

the same for me, but i still use 6 iron because it´s so week 28 dgr (playing f-max superlite) 5h 25 dgr, 4h 22 dgr and 5w 18dgr, but todays golfiron 7 is close to 28 dgr, no one over 60y need a 5 and 6 iron !

[@jayholiday256]

I carry 4-6 hybrids cut to iron length. They're pxg. I testing a Mizuno FliHi 7 hybrid and the 7iron may get retired.

[@davidpearson243]

I’m 55 and my longest iron is an 8 iron I have a Ping G 25 27 degree that I can hit 140 to 160 as it’s that versatile then 2 more hybrid one ping one TM

[@coobay4786]

Same here. I've been playing the Ping hybrids 2 thru 6. Just added the 7 yesterday and will be playing today. My game has never been better.

[@chuckyz2]

GI irons are ok off the tee. They go a long way compared to a bladed club. he problem with them is they are strong lofted and that kills spin. As you noticed, the 2nd ball you hit with iron laded on the front center and rolled all the way to the back of green if not off. If you use a 6 stealth you would be closer matched to the 5 iron. A 6 will hold the green like a pitching wedge. You can never go pin hunting with that iron. You have land it way short and let it run up to the pin.

[@brandons4301]

I play my Driver 3 W 5W 7W 1 Super Hybrid set at 20 deg 5 irons 3 wegdes and special select Del Mar putter with a ton of advice from the avg golfer!!! Thanks mate. I have my gapping in order and feel I can hit out of almost any conditions. I will pull out the 7 wood 5 wood or 3 HY based on there I'm playing

[@loganmcdaniel7204]

I've found that almost all hybrids go about 210 yards for me between 19-25 degrees when I'm hitting them off the deck. I bought my father a 31 degree 7 hybrid for christmas and it has changed his entire game. I use a 17 degree hybrid as my main tee off club that isn't driver, and a 22 degree for my longest off the deck club. I can smash a long iron off the tee but struggle on any other lie. Love what hybrids bring to the table for average golfers

[@bradfordcotta5925]

11 yards sounds right. Remember, the 5 hybrid doesn't replace the 5 iron, it replaces a the 4 iron. The rule of thumb is 3-4 degrees less loft on a hybrid will travel the same distance as the standard loft on an iron. So, your 25 degree hybrid should travel a similar distance (all other things being equal) than an iron with 21 degrees of loft (which, in your 525 irons, would be a 4-iron). It is due to the CG, the mass of the head, and the length of the shaft. So, having a 5-iron and a 5 hybrid in the bag is NOT redundant...having a 4-iron and a 5 hybrid would be redundant.

[@daleriggenbach6239]

Good points.

[@johnk.atchley5079]

Very interesting especially for an average senior like me. If you don't mind, I would like to know a couple of additional details. First, what shaft were you using on each of these clubs, and were they stiff or regular flex? Second, what was your clubhead speed so we can compare with ours? Third, what balls are you using? Swing speed can make a significant difference in which club a given player prefers. I have seen a comparison video of a 4 iron versus utility club versus 7 wood by a tester with a plus handicap in which he showed that players like him with high swing speeds can get the same distance with a long iron as with a utility club and may get tighter dispersion with the iron. Some highly skilled players simply don't like utility clubs and prefer long irons. But the same video demonstrated clearly that at more modest, average swing speeds, the utility club outperformed the 4 iron, and in fact the 7 wood did better than both.

[@chrishartney]

Your 5 iron is the same loft as my 4 iron, which I swapped out for an old Taylormade 4 (21 degrees) hybrid that friend gave me. Maybe I should swap my 5 iron (27 degrees) for a 5 hybrid, but that might create to much of a gap between my 6 iron and the 5 hybrid. it's already a bit of a problem between my 5 iron and the 4 hybrid, but the hybrid is very adaptable, so I can hit softer shots with it. Your results with the 5 hybrid are brilliant for height and landing angle, but can the 5 hybrid punch a low shot to keep the ball under the wind?

[@rickcudmore8156]

I'm getting fitted next week and plan on removing the 5i and replace it with a hybrid. Interesting to see what the fitter suggests.

[@mtcollins64]

My longest iron is a 5 iron, then I've got a 7 wood and a 5 wood. I can't figure out where a hybrid would fit in the bag, so I don't have one for now. The 5 iron is my least consistent club in terms of striking the ball, so I might end up swapping out the 5 iron for a 5 hybrid.

[@chrisgirling1097]

I've added 3,4 and 5 hybrids to my bag this year and its totally transformed my long game, my 5 hybrid doesn't achieve your numbers but I'm quite happy with its 160yard carry, its easy to get airborne from the fairway and certainly for me dispersion is much much better than with a 5 iron

[@daleriggenbach6239]

Works for me as well, don't miss 5 iron.

[@chrischapin2936]

Great video. I play both a 5 Hybrid and a 5 iron. I don’t think you mentioned that the 5 Hybrid is typically at least an inch longer than a 5 iron. That additional shaft length accounts for the increase I distance for the hybrid over the equivalent numbered iron.

[@andewlea3772]

When I played consistently last I liked playing my 5 iron , haven't played enough yet to know which I prefer but have struggled to get on with the hybrids. Great video Andy glad you managed to finish the filming with my interruption

[@EdwardBailey]

I love my hybrid clubs. I play 3,4,5,6 in hybrids. Changed the game for me. Lower scores and clubs I can hit 150 -210 where that area for me used to be hard.

[@marcc9965]

5 hybrid for me…5 iron doesn’t work for me any longer. Height and distance make me more confident.

[@wallstreetoneil]

The way I think about this problem is 1st answering what is the longest Par 3 you 'mostly' play, not ever play - but mostly. On that occasion, you get to tee up the ball, and playing an iron shot is NOT usually a problem. My guess, for most Average Golfers, is that a 25-24-degree 'last' iron should be in the bag for that shot - if you are older and slower, it's likely 28-27-degrees. Your next hybrid/wood should be 1-2 degrees stronger, which can also cover this distance - but also give you 10-more-yards when you need it.

[@raymondarcher4816]

I love my 5 iron, but as an average golfer, the 3 and 4 irons have long been replaced with hybrids. Still rocking my old Callaway Diablo Edge Tour hybrids and loving them. Cheers 👍😊🏌️‍♂️

[@terryholloway9930]

I stop at 8l have a 6-3 hybrids love em I can hit them better than irons

[@andyladmac6290]

I play mizuno jpx fli hi hybrids in 5 & 4 they come same length as equivalent irons and with steel shafts love them check them out 👍🏻

[@tommysweeney7694]

I don't have a 5 iron i have a 5 hybrid. Then 7 wood. I definitely agree that shaping shots with cavity back irons is easy. I find i draw or fade the ball with them rather then hitting those occasional hooks and slices i would with blades.

[@scottyb4600]

Great content as usual Andy but the way I see it for your swing wouldn’t that 5h really be a 4i replacement? You would end up with a 20-ish yd gap from 6i to 5h if you replaced your 5i with that 5h. That’s not really desirable.

[@davidl1272]

I agree. This is not really a 5i replacement as it is an education that the similar loft hybrid to your longest iron is your next longest iron replacement. You'll not get that height ever out of a 4i with amateur swing speeds. 15 yd gap is then perfect to your 5i and an excellent par 3 club!

[@jazz15c4]

Just managed to find a 5 hybrid to put in my bag, which, being a left hander, was difficult, as they're rare as rocking horse poo! Looking forward to seeing how it performs and can help my game.

[@mmccoy2654]

I've been playing 3-7 hybrid from Ping for a few years now. I recently added a 8, 9, and Pitching Wedge hybrid from a company called Lazrus. If I had known about Lazrus when I bought my Pings I would have bought a bag full of Lazrus hybrids because of the price with just as good performance. They make 2-P in hybrids and also have irons 1-P and wedges for sale too. You can get a set of hybrids 4-P for $347.

[@leighdavies9850]

Where I play its usually quite windy and I find a long iron goes through the wind better than a lofted wood

[@justinstephenson9360]

I think Andy needs to try a 6h against the i525 5i. I suspect the carry distance would be almost the same which might fit better in a bag.

[@technodaddycolt]

Good Ball striking day. 5 Stealth hybrid height and distance was strong. Can you compare to other brand same lofted hybrids?

[@francoisdesmoulins-lebeaul4273]

Hybrids tend to have longer shafts for the same loft compared to irons (and be shorter than corresponding fairway woods), therefore they tend to go a bit further and a bit higher. Now if your long irons don't go high enough, hybrids may help. If hybrids still don't go high enough, a lofted wood (7, 9 or even 11 wood!) could help. That, however, depends very much on the player, his/her speed, and delivery. In my personal case, pros and youtubers had me convinced before any true fitting that a 4 hybrid or even a 5 hybrid were the way... Well, after a proper fit and more experience I now know that I'm better off with a 4i than a 4h (accuracy, spin and keeping the ball reasonable far from most geostationary satellites ;) ). I'm still carrying a 3 hybrid... that happens to be the club I use the least and trust the least. Only when I'm 230 yards away from a green that I need to attack will I play it... so really not often.

[@christianvachon2235]

Hybrid vs long irons. I think that there is two things for this. First, modern lofts are SO much stronger than in the past, it's ridiculous. You have 29.5 degree 7 irons now! (traditionally it was 34 degrees). So, for most people, I can see the hybrid benefit definitely for most golfers. The other club that I find that many players would benefit from is a 7 wood. VERY popular now and in the bag of many of the top tour players. For example, Dustin Johnson, Adam Scott, Bubba Watson, Max Homa, Louis Oosthuizen, Ian Poulter and Tyrrell Hatton all have a 7 wood in the bag at the moment. P.S. I still play traditional lofts, but I have an ANCIENT fairway/trouble hybrid that is 21 degrees and half-way between a 7 wood and hybrid which is still one of my favorite clubs in the bag.

[@adrianscott6005]

How would this translate when hitting from grass ? Are the numbers and strike the same ?

[@mattneedham3595]

What shaft did you have in the hybrid mate

[@cackalackcowboy2127]

When I was kid, my friend’s dad played a full set of woods, all 13 clubs were old fashioned wooden clubs, I believe his putter had a wooden head too.

[@clifcausey9589]

The iron will always be shorter than the hybrid due to the mass of the head. It's not just the degree of the face

[@danleonard3600]

I just got fitted for Mizuno hot metals. I got a hybrid replacement at the 4 but went with irons from 5 up. They were easier to hit off the mat than my current clubs. Can’t wait to get them and use them on the course.

[@michaelfenton5306]

I have dropped 5,6 & 7 irons for 5,6 & 7 hybrids. Best thing I ever did, at 84 it has given me back the length and confidence to keep playing competitions against younger players and still do well occasionally.

[@coobay4786]

At 68 I now play Ping hybrids 2 thru 7 and my game has never been better. I'll never go back to irons.

[@jimfarrell7196]

Interesting and very timely Andy as I am thinking about adding another hybrid to my bag. Thank you.

[@billwallenstein3387]

My 5 iron used to be about as dependable a club I’d ever had. Then I picked up a 7 wood. 9 out of 10 shots are money! I agree Andy

[@coobay4786]

I started playing hybrids years ago and I now play Ping hybrids 2 thru 7 and will never go back to irons.

[@bentottle917]

Really like these comparisons you do iron vs hybrid vs fairway wood. Switching up the traditional, to look at more modern options. I bought a Ping G425 7wood off the back of your video. I used to love my 5 iron, then I got older and slower, now have a 2nd hand 5H Cobra F8. Love it. Although perhaps with the Stealth faster face it might be worth upgrading? Would you advise changing Andy? Is the new technology that much better ?

[@TheAverageGolfer]

My immediate answer would be ‘no’ your F8 is fine, but I suppose the only way to answer that question is for you to try Ben

[@bentottle917]

Cheers pal. Keep up the great content. You and your lass do a fabulous job.

[@joevorachack3791]

I think most average weekend golfers do not have the swing speed to play any irons longer that a 5 iron. I have 3H and 4H and been considering adding a 5H also. Golf is hard so if they are new tech that can help us play better, we should use it.

[@jayholiday256]

You have a nice swing and good speed, question your claim as average, I'd say your an 8 which is above average skill level. I'm gaming 4-6 PXG hybrids I'm getting the Mizuno 7 hybrid iron and it's a deal There's 'macho' bias against adding more hybrids in the medium irons. 7 Wood is also a great add to the bag

[@paulallen286]

I have been playing the TaylorMade stealth hybrids (5, 6, 7) for a month. These are great clubs! I bought the 5 hybrid first and was so impressed with it I bought the six and seven. These clubs are long. That is not hype as I used Trackman to determine distance when compared to my irons.

[@pauljohnston460]

Can not decide 7 wood or callaway apex uw 21" or a 4 hybrid

[@tonymoss2484]

Interesting comparison. Confidence at address is obviously a personal thing, I actually feel much more confident looking down at an iron vs hybrid. For me it is want I want to achieve with the club, I will always carry a 5 iron but tend to swap out my 4 iron for hybrid in the winter when I want more height and carry. In the summer or on links courses I love my 4 iron.👍🏻

[@williamtylerdavis3762]

I've been playing a G400 Crossover 5 and loving the flexibility it gives me. I'm kinda upset they aren't making it in the 425.

[@darunia484]

5 hybrids usually go longer than 5 irons right? Longer shaft.

[@rodrich1644]

What about shaft lenth?

[@MrZola1234]

Most amateur golfers should be going to the hybrid or a hybrid iron like a Cleveland launcher after the 7 iron.

[@glenburr6755]

I’m going to put a 6 hybrid in the bag to replace my 5 iron. 👍🏼

[@donaldwhitfield2794]

For some reason that I can’t figure out I hit my 4 Iron approximately 210 off the tee down the middle and only get about 235 out of my driver on average ! My 3 hybrid is not as consistent as my 4 iron on distance or dispersion! I play pxg 0211’s !

[@kevinpinder9372]

I found that really interesting, makes me really think about club choice 👍

[@pipebliss]

I stick by my comment from another video... The majority of golfers would benefit from not going below 27 degrees in an iron; using either a hybrid, utility wood, or fairway wood. The number 1 female golfer in the world has a 27* iron as her longest.

[@marcsimmonds7814]

The face on the 525i is essentially the same as that on the 425 hybrid.

[@stiffdrinkmime366]

If you can hit a green at 200 yards consistently, you are not an "average golfer". Not where I play anyway!

[@charlescournoyer9349]

great video again, I do use a 3 and 4 hybrid, instead of irons and had to learn to play them. 5 iron is still my best club, so no 5 hydrid yet for me, however I get your point!!!

[@briantreadwell2206]

I bought the Ping G425 4 hybrid . . . . didn’t get on with it so swapped for Titleist U505 4i which suits my game better - so personal to the player' I don’t think there’s a right or wrong save for the individual . . . get fitted and keep an open mind (I rejected the U505 initially based on looks) . . . I like the look of the ball in the air though

[@richb326]

Much prefer to hit an iron than a hybrid i210 5 iron is the longest from my set then a have a 4 crossover. I do carry a hybrid but don’t use it that much

[@anthonyfarmer8387]

Can you flight the hybrid down Andy?

[@jalbert8083]

What happened to the JumboMax is that experiment over? didnt get along? btw love the channel thanks for all your hard work

[@kevochanner8859]

I have found that the hybrid play 1 club longer. I finish at a 6 iron and play a 6 hybrid. Then I play a 4 hybrid as a 5 hybrid didn’t give me the gap distance. Then 7 wood. Play off 11.

[@roberthind3394]

Hardly the average golfer Andy, any chance of getting a 18-20 handicap golfer to do some testing. Just an idea !

[@wanderdude3582]

Should really carry both. More options on the top end is a good thing.

[@stevetierney7438]

Andy I love the callaway 4H hybrid

[@stevetierney7438]

Andy I dont carry a 5iron anymore only rH hybtid

[@keithfinley2939]

I've tried 5 hybrids but I hit them too high..

[@vimy1589]

love my Cobra hybrids .. love them ! one length ...

[@banditbaker1675]

Hey, Andy, I had a great Fitting with your Pal Lou this morning and he played a blinder, he managed to set me up in a 3Wood that I can actually get airborne and hit straight (well straightish)👍 I started the fitting convinced that I'd end up with a 5Wood, but Lou got me in a Callaway Rogue ST Draw 16deg 3Wood and I'm really chuffed that an owd fart like me could get it up (in the air that is).👴👍

[@FenwayJoe7129]

Hey Bandit . Sounds like you are getting hooked up well. Greetings old friend. Playing some stealth hybrids now with A flex. Giving them a good look. Still keeping the Ping G 425 # 3 Wood and # 5 Woods in the bag and they continue to play well for me. Spider

[@banditbaker1675]

@@FenwayJoe7129 Hey Spider, greeting to you also my friend from across the pond👍 Yes, I had a great fitting with Andy's friend Lou and I'm glad to report that the Rogue is performing well👍

[@eggsmann594]

I'm not paying attention to the subject here 🙂 I was just admiring your slightly outward downswing...unique

[@stevetierney7438]

Andy carry 4H hybrid instead of 5iron I love it

[@johnk.atchley5079]

Just a quick extra thought. Use the 25 degree Rescue for park type courses. But if you are out on an English, Irish or Scottish links course near the ocean with high winds, maybe you should leave that in the car and use the 3 and 4 irons to hit it low, stay out of the wind, and depend on runout. But its nice to have the options.

[@barneygermany530]

Irons forever... are more precise 4 iron 24° 195-200 yards 3 iron 20,5° 205-210 yards Hybrid 21° 220-230 yards I'm a iron-man🤷🏻‍♂️

[@coobay4786]

I play Ping hybrids 2 thru 7 and my scoring has never been better. I'll never go back to irons.

[@barneygermany530]

@@coobay4786 That's fine👍 Never change a winning team☝️

[@brentbillings2298]

My hybrids start with a 5iron

[@paulmcgee1867]

The Stealth is sooo expensive but looks great.

[@jonq8714]

I hook the shit out of my hybrids, but I am swinging my 4 iron much better lately. What I play may change day to day.

[@ericbradner6986]

The Stealth hybrids are nice, but what draws me to the G425 and has me sticking with it is one of the stock shafts: Aldila Rogue Black 95 TX. For higher-speed players who a) want to follow Andy’s thought process and replace longer irons with hybrids, b) a heavier, somewhat lower-launching shaft and c) don’t want the terrible feel of the RDX Black that so many other brands are throwing in their hybrids, that 95TX Rogue Black and the ability to move into a flat hosel setting makes the G425 a really compelling option.

[@markhilton4920]

Would like to see the difference out of the rough in the slightly longer grass on course as I don’t use hybrids as I found them less effective

[@davidharris9232]

Mizuno JPX Fli Hi. Recently got a set with a 5 & 6 in these. 4 is on order. Feels like I’m cheating. 😀

[@VegBazzoBoys]

No way can I launch a 5 iron high even with game improvement clubs. Even though overall length is good my carry distance suffers. I bought a 7 hybrid Sim Max that now allows me to carry on to greens from a distance. Also much cheaper than Stealth.

[@steveschwab922]

I prefer my hybrid in summer with light wind, but my 5 iron in wet or windy conditions to avoid plugging and sailing.

[@Chevycorvette1990]

Confidence is the key

[@justinrivet1085]

The Ping 525 irons sound awful, feel awful, look eh and are wayyyyyyyy over priced

[@88rollins]

Good stuff! 👍

[@stephenkujan]

I will be replacing my 26 degree 5 iron with a Stealth 5 rescue.

[@rye1108]

Either you’re not an avg golfer or I’m not an avg golfer if you can hit a 5i over 200 yards.

[@999montyman]

Any fairway club needs to be tested on the course on grass, it’s way to easy to hit clubs off mats, they are too forgiving. I hit my irons down to 6, then go to 5 and 7 fairway woods, just can not hit a hybrid.

[@rikclarke4881]

Enjoy your show, but, in my opinion, too much of a club salesman. The average golfer is not wealthy, and needs more help with lessons, sadly wanting in your series.