Creality vs Bambu Lab (Updated for 2024)

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Please don’t change the default settings 🙏

[@TheOneAndOnlySatan]

Your talking nonsense

[@5doolar]

can u use grid infill? people say its bad

[@torquemada1971]

@@5doolar Grid infill has its benefits. Layer times remain consistent and if you are using narrow wall counts it can help with surface finish. Is it the strongest? No.

[@josephsmith601]

SUBSCRIBED!!!! "The maybe your mom will buy you a K1C instead" had me 😂😂🤣🤣🤣💀

[@TheOneAndOnlySatan]

Sneaker net 🤣🤣

[@Adam-rs4en]

Creality would have sold Ender 3v3v3v3v3v3v3v3k3k3k3k3k3k3e3e3e3e3e3e if Bambu hadn't forced them to do literally anything. Bad company.

[@andreas.grundler]

I'm not so sure about that. Months before Bambu Lab came out with the X1C there were already many videos showing how to run your Marlin based printer with Klipper and a Raspberry Pi and how to print faster with resonance compensation (input shaping) without out on losing quality. As far as I know, Prusa already had the Mk4 in development, which uses a load cell for automatic Z-offset. And there was already E3D with the Revo quick swap nozzle on the market. All the components were available. All a manufacturer had to do was put it all together and release a Klipper-based printer with automatic Z-offset and a quick swap nozzle. Then Creality would have had a different template.

[@nekrosoft13]

Creality made 3d printing accessible to the masses. Yes the initial enders were not great, but the latest enders are actually quite good.

[@Adam-rs4en]

@@nekrosoft13 You must not have read my comment. I know. They would still be selling 10 year old tech if Bambu didn't force them to do literally anything.

[@LilApe]

@@Adam-rs4en They literally came out with their creality klipper sonic pad before bambu was even a name on kickstarter. Lets not pretend that creality wasn't releasing new tech before bambu lab. What is it with all the bambu fanboys in thinking that bambu was the 1st to do things? bambu literally copies from voron/prusa and even qidi tech.

[@oldman1944]

@@nekrosoft13 If you get one that works, they are ok. Quite good is an exaggeration.

[@802Garage]

Qidi FTW! Personally, I don't think anyone should actually buy a Creality printer right now. They can be perfectly serviceable, but there are just better options for the money.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Yeah, the K1 was an amazing first attempt at a modern printer, but the design is more two years old and they haven’t worked out all the bugs. The grace period is over.

[@FrequenciaJogos]

"DON`T SAVE THE FUCKING SETTINGS OVER DEFAULTS"

[@Cpgeekorg]

you can adjust all of the parameters in either slicer (Bambu slicer or creality slicer) and create your own print profiles, so you can set up a profile with a lower layer height (or a higher layer height if you want to increase speed and lower quality a bit (great for low poly stuff like boxes, stands, furnature, etc.) you don't have to use any of the integrated profiles at all so long as you know the size of your printer, do a flow calibration and a speed calibration to get the appropriate speeds, accelerations, and flow of your machine, and you can set up your slicer profiles however you want. it's NOT difficult to build out a profile in most of the major slicers. you can also start with an existing profile and change a parameter or two and save it as a profile (such as the case of reducing your layer height for improved quality, or adding perimeters and defining infill type and percentage to set up a voron part printing profile for example.)

[@RhamonGB]

I've had the Ender 3 V2 since 2021 and this year I bought the K1C. The K1C is quite expensive in Brazil, but worth it. I've had so much fun with it. The quality jump over the Ender 3 V2 is astounding. Waaaay less print fails and much nicer details and accuracy. I do not recommend getting into this hobby using anything less than the K1C or these Bambu Labs, just 'cause it's SO FRUSTRATING to keep repairing and tuning the Ender 3's!

[@lawrencemanning]

Your comment is interesting to me. I hope you’ll give me your thoughts on where I am. Bought an original ender 3 in 2019 or so. It was hell to get it good and reliable, took many months, maybe even years. Now it is, finally, rock solid: 32bit board, PEI bed, metal extruder, and I finally have decent levelling with silicone springs. Basically it’s as good as it’ll get for an ender. The main thing I’d like is decent networking. I’ve had poor experiences with octoprint. I’d run out and buy a K1C, I can afford it. But: I don’t do a massive amount of printing. I sometimes go months with the ender idle, then get through a couple of Kg in a month. Though maybe it’s because I’m bored with the ender. 😅 So, please convince me that I need a K1C. Do you print in anything other than PLA? I’d love to try ABS, flexible etc. Oh another thing: how’s the noise? My ender is tollerable from that point with the 32bit board and I’ve heard all these CoreXYs are real noisy. Can you make it tolerable if the print is slowed? Oddly I’m not really bothered about print speed. Faster than the ender would be nice, but it’s not near the top of my list of factors.

[@RhamonGB]

@lawrencemanning If you can afford it, buy it now, no question about it. It's a hobby, there is really no way to justify the expense anyway... That said, I also made a lot of improvements on my ender trying to make it reliable, but never could really make it work as I wanted for too long before something went wrong or broke. It broke so often I even got creality to send me a new motherboard for free. I had it sitting waiting for parts longer than I had it printing. And I must have thrown more money at it than the price of this K1C that just worked nice as is. So that's the reason why I chose to buy the newer generation. I've tried printing with ABS but it smells so bad I couldn't tolerate it. But it was very easy, printed just fine the first time. I even bought a 220V inline blower to blow the fumes out the window, but never got the time to set it up... But my preferred filament has always been PETG though. Worked great on my ender and works great on the k1c. Prints a bit slower than pla, but who cares? I've printed with flexible filament and it also prints fine. No jams. I've never made any mods or had to fix anything on my k1c, but the noise is annoying and something that I'll try to improve. I'll buy and install better fans. The motherboard fan is louder than it should. The ones that you can control RPM are fine after I lowered their speed on the slicer. The movements the machine makes are very fast and will be way noisier than any Ender, specially after you've upgraded the fans... But I usually have my ANC headphones and so I'm not bothered enough to slow it down. It being enclosed is a huge bonus because it's more presentable in my office, more organized. The wifi connection is also good, since I always disliked microSD cards and have lost/broken at least 3 on my ender 😂. But all in all, I would suggest you wait until creality launches a cheap k1c with AMS.

[@HoogbyRuligan]

To querendo comprar uma, quanto custa no BR? Com taxa de importaçao, transporte e tudo? E quanto tempo pra chegar? E filamento tem alguem produzindo no BR ou tenho q comprar deles tb?

[@FrequenciaJogos]

No Brasil é diferenciado. kkk Os preços são completamente diferentes e, em alguns casos, até invertidos. Eu moro na Europa, mas acompanho alguns canais, de vez em quando. Uma Flashforge 5M consegue ser mais cara que uma K1 (na Europa é o inverso); A K1C é quase metade do preço da P1S (na Europa a diferença não é tão grande, a K1C é cerca de 15%~20% mais barata); A QidiTech, Infimech, FlyingBear, Prusa quase não existe no mercado; A BambuLab A1 Mini (sem combo) e a Creality Ender 3 V3 KE tem quase o mesmo preço (na Europa a V3 KE é quase 30% mais cara que a A1 Mini).... E assim vai.

[@RhamonGB]

@@HoogbyRuligan A minha K1C paguei 3400 em 10x, pedi pela Amazon. Estava no BR já, então não teve taxa nenhuma. Filamento eu tenho comprado da Voolt3D e estou gostando bastante, especialmente dos PETG. Mas temos muitas marcas de filamento produzidos no Brasil.

[@abovewongart]

I love your shop. It looks so spacey and nice. Thank you for making lots of 3d printing videos.

[@hrdcpy]

I think he's in the LVL1 Hackerspace in Louisville. ✌️

[@Atticman1369]

I like how you yank the filament out of the AMS, that was golden. You actually lifted AMS off the printer. Also hot-feeding filament directly into the extruder on the A1 mini without bowden tube while the printhead was moving was pretty good too. Consistent results are expected! 🎉 Using a network would solve your microSD card swapping, but if you're worried about being offline, that's cool. IMHO, Maybe you should slow down and do things properly. I take some shortcuts, but wow man. That's crazy.

[@PrintingPress3D]

the zombie tuned profile is a profile made by other youtuber HedgehogMakes!

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Never heard of him, on an unrelated note I met a twitch streamer today. Nice guy, he lent me his LTT screwdriver. It wasn’t him though, his name was zombie hedgehog or something

[@Smedleydog1]

I'm still printing with my Ender 3v2 that has been upgraded with silicone bed springs, a Micro Swiss NG extruder, linear rails (XYZ), and a Sonic Pad, It's on my home network so I can print to it from any computer in the house. It prints about 3 times faster than it did stock and the print quality is really good. I don't need multi color printing. I'm not changing printers anytime soon. Especially for one that evidently phones home all the time (Bambu Labs).

[@MrUniq]

I did the same to my v2 ...for the price of upgrading u can even get a Ender v3 to get similar if not better performance. I own both..and two Bambus.

[@Eins.1]

Can you give me a sample time like benchy print time, before and after? I have s1 pro and the old 3 pro. For now I can only afford the sonic pad and not a new core xy printer.

[@TuncayAyhan]

Did something similar to my E3 Pro and E3V2 and KP3S. All of them are on Klipper and don’t see any point to upgrade them to newer machines. At this point I can hit print from Prusaslicer (to Klipper) and don’t have to babysit them anymore. They work 99.99% of the time. Speed is no issue, because I can load balance prints across three printers. Also have 2 camera’s per machine. One for the print bed and 1 is pointed to the filament rolls.

[@Smedleydog1]

@@Eins.1 I would have to print a benchy. I'm not sure how fast it can print one now. All I know is, stock it ran at 50mm/sec and took over an hour and a half. After mods (mainly the Sonic Pad running Klipper) I can push it to 150 with decent results. I haven't tried to go faster. The best part is I can send the sliced files directly to the printer from my computer and don't have to mess with the micro SD card and Klipper enough memory to keep several recent prints on file so it's easy to reprint if needed.

[@YourFriendlyHoodVampire]

I have the exact same setup 😂 If you know, you know

[@TheJacklwilliams]

As always, great presentation Nathan. I just bought the K1SE at an amazing price. Why did I choose it over the A1 mini / A1? Creality has a HUGE community of modders/tinkerers and I got all the things I wanted for a low price. I’ve waited for almost two years to get my first CoreXY and I would’ve dove into Bambu but it’s not my kind of tool/company. I just added the camera. Next, I’ll enclose it. I’ve printed a ton in a couple days and I’m blown away. Good stuff indeed.

[@ReinaldoGonzalezreix2x]

Here in Chile an A1 mini with the AMS (you cannot buy the printer by itself) will cost you 610 usd in the cheapest place 💀

[@mathiaschaves7604]

In Brazil you would buy the same with 680.89 usd. I got the lowest price i could find, and they are at sales with 20%off if you pay in cash. Thats worth ~2,5 months of our minimum wage. I think I know your pain.

[@nekrosoft13]

Wow, that insane

[@ReinaldoGonzalezreix2x]

@@mathiaschaves7604 i feel you bro

[@floatypiet]

Dude, I'm sorry for your loss 😢

[@dareka9425]

A couple of weeks ago my government tried to force everyone to use one local DNS server that they practically owned. Imagine if they suddenly added new laws that regulates 3d printers and they noticed that I have been 3D printing model guns. They have just started enforcing long dormant laws that regulate civilian drone use. Knowing my country they would take any outside examples to start making our own laws on similar stuff like the anti-misinformation laws some Western countries are trying to push for. Two men used airsoft guns to rob a jewelry store in the early 2000s and airsoft guns have been banned in my country ever since. All it takes is for someone to use 3d printed objects to commit a crime to get the government to impose regulations on 3D printing. US, UK and Australia are trying to scare people with 3D printed "ghost guns" so it would take long for my government to copy their homework. In a way they're like 3D printer makers who copy each other's slicers.

[@berlinberlin4246]

And now think about the heyGears printer they are ONLINE ONLY :-/

[@qwertyzxaszc6323]

I love my K1Max’s; they are a lot of fun and great prototype machines. However, if you ever have to crack one open to doing any type of work on them, you can definitely see all the extreme cost-cutting to get them on the market. I think it's either masterful voodoo or black magic involved that they not just run, but run pretty darn good considering how shoddy and cheaply made they are. If they ever decide to up their game, I do not doubt for a second that they could run circles around everyone else.

[@mathiaschaves7604]

I think their biggest cost-cutting is to let their customers solve their engeneering problems. The K1C "upgrades" are based on the "community" solutions around the design/engeneerig failures of the K1. I think it they were more clear about it they would be at a much better place in the heart of their customers. I think its fun to get to know and solve this kind of issues althoug it pisses me off that creality is making mods a lot harder than was in the enders. In my mind that was a desperated business decision... I think that they should go back and try to understand what made the ender 3 their biggest success... they should sell upgrade kits like Prusa does and continually improve upon their own design together with us... The best printer I ever had it is an ender 5... I wish their focus would be to make mods a lot more easier and cheaper, you know... going back to their roots... they are loosing me there.

[@qwertyzxaszc6323]

@@mathiaschaves7604 I have never had any issues with the K1 Max other than how flimsey the electronics are put together..The wiring and circuit boards. Other than that the machines have been amazing. My only issue with them is their electronics. Watching the video I was suprised at how many issues Nathan was having with printing the boat. I never have any isuses with the actual printing. I gurantee you that those are either user error or the electronics.

[@whyired]

Appreciate your honesty. I do hope Bambu labs tries to reconcile things with you, as again, your honesty is much appreciated.

[@bwselectronic]

As an old computer guy, I'm surprised to hear sneaker net. That goes back to before you were born 😂

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

I may not be that old, but I’ve worked with enough old people to know how you all talk 🤓

[@UnCoolDad]

@@NathanBuildsRobots we're not old, just more experienced 😊

[@jkm4505]

Gotta be honest, after I replaced the factory extruder from my K1, it has become much more reliable. P1P equivalent? No. Very usable? Yeah.

[@BKope]

What did you replace it with? The K1c versionred all metal extruder, or the cyclops from d3vil, or something else?

[@jasonwiltjer9]

Newer Creality printers are definitely very good, and worlds better than they used to be. My issue is the prices compared to Bambu Lab and QiDi. Bambu Lab is still the most user friendly printer for people who just want to print with the least amount of work. QiDi is the go to brand imo for people who want the most capable machines for the least cost, which are also incredibly easy to use. The QiDi machines are more capable than the X1C and K1C due to their chamber heaters. So where does that leave Creality? To me I would never recommend a Creality unless you can get it substantially cheaper than the equivalent QiDi or Bambu Lab. But that's just my opinion of course.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Very well said.

[@nekrosoft13]

There is a reason why Qidi ships from China. And is the chamber heater, they don't have a patent for it. If they started selling and shipping from mainland USA they would get sued. Also getting replaced parts for Qidi is not easy and take a long time. If I need a spare Creality part I can drive 30 minutes to microcenter and pick one up. Creality made printers accessible to the masses and they have a huge distribution network.

[@MrWaalkman]

@@nekrosoft13 Not sure what you are talking about, I get almost all of my QIDI replacement parts from the USA. Currently QIDI ships from: USA, EU, UK, CA, AU, and JP. As for the time it takes to get your order, my last one was ordered on July 21st, and delivered on July 30th. QIDI had estimated the delivery date as July 25th or 26th, and they missed their own date. Was it the end of the world. No. I owned a Creality CR1 V2, and the extruder on that thing was junk. I replaced it with a MicroSwiss, came to my senses, and gave it away to my son. Then I felt guilty for foisting that POS off on him and gave him my Flying Bear. Currently the CR1 is still waiting on someone to come by and fix it for its new owner. By "fix" I mean fire it up for the kid and get it to poop out something that resembles an actual part. I have no higher expectations for it than that. I can imagine that not only Microcenter, the few Radio Shacks that still exist, or your local scrapyard would be able to help you out with spare parts. That's not exactly a high bar that you have set there.

[@braindead1985]

There is an unload function on the X1C

[@barryj0413]

My K1 has been reliable since i changed out the extruder. I just wish it had a slightly larger build plate. I'm not sure why Creality went with 220.

[@nekrosoft13]

What extruder did you get?

[@Demento1974]

@barryj0413 Creality went with the 220 bed size because of the simple fact that's what they'd been using for years and have thousands (if not millions) of them is their warehouses. Cheaper to use what you already have versus engineering/manufacturing new parts everytime you release a new printer model. So in short, ecnomics.

[@C650101]

Bambu said they want to be like Apple. That is too bad, i hate the fruit company.

[@UnCoolDad]

Someone has developed an iOS app for Bambu which works via lan mode - so completely offline from the cloud.

[@UnCoolDad]

It is in beta at the moment. Called Bambu Companion.

[@andreas.grundler]

@@UnCoolDad This only works until Bambu Lab turns off MQTT support on their printers and forces developers to use their API. This is also the Panda Touch's Achilles heel.

[@berlinberlin4246]

Sounds harsch but just get a printer with Klipper! 😊

[@UnCoolDad]

@@andreas.grundler if Bambu are willing to expose a supported API, all the better!

[@UnCoolDad]

@@andreas.grundler Bambu have an API?

[@runningfromtheheat]

"They don't like me" 😂🎉 24:34

[@alfarofilms]

Tbh I would have re shot alot of this lol, of course the X1c has onboard memory. Thats totally forgiveable, since its not the first thing on most peoples mind. Im totally confused why you chose to print the K1c at .28 and the others at .2 instead of all of them at .2 or .28, thats not a comparison. Having witnessed all that it brings up questions, like did you calibrate them all, why not use the same filament for all, why not make processes with all the same settings apart from certain things like accels and whatnot, leaving the speeds at factory settings. As far as Creality V4 vs V5 vs Orca, Im not sure why you got so many failures, Ive tried all 3 on my newer creality and they all printed fine. Also, the way you worded things makes it sound like simply switching slicers helps with flow, so Im wondering, did you calibrate flow and PA for each printer with each different filament you used for testing? Also, why even the battle benchy and not a normal one? I honestly dont know the difference but I would figure either a calibration model or the stabdard benchy would be the go to's. Bambus data gathering through asking if the print went well is normal, if you have a windows PC theres alot of data you simply dont even have the choice to not send, fairly standard in todays world. Just because its China doesn't mean much because the having the data within the US would come with the exact same concerns, even using most CAD software today comes with data gathering. Don't get me wrong though, Im not a fan of any of that. And who cares what Bambu thinks, their printers are great, you're missing out. And $1400 for an appliance vs $700 for hobby hardware is not out of this world, other companies in other tech/industrial spaces do very similar things. Theyre designed so that it's a tool for a project and not a project in itself, which shouldn't really be a fresh concept. Unfortunately, capitalism does indeed breed innovation in the modern world, so open source isn't so conducive to taking market share for a business. As a business, Bambu has succeeded highly where others like Prusa have tried to, and it came with great features making people's lives easier, so I can't fault them on their building a patent portfolio. Meaning others, like Prusa's slow and overpriced way of doing things, must improve or slowly fade away. Anyway, yeah, not trying to bash or be over critical, but even though I knew alot of the info in the video before watching, I appreciate your work so I like tuning in. But thus particular video kept me saying "wait, what?" quite a bit lol

[@skunkprints7952]

THE DEFINITIVE SOURCE FOR 3D PRINTING NEWS!

[@BKope]

Does the a1 mini on top of the K1 suffer/affect the print quality of the other printer when they're both running

[@aegis3d]

For creality the speed of the print is also limited by the material that you select. The profiles for hyperPLA will have higher print speeds in the slicer.

[@Seaofjitsu]

Ive have run a elegoo neptune 4 for over a year. It works really well for my specific settings. I make very tight tollerances. There is no need for more. Had to cauliflower calibrate and set screw tilt then it runs next to perfect. I print many linear rails. I doubt the bambu could do it. My next purchase will be when and if print quality has another massive improvement. Great vid NBR

[@thebandkid8066]

I watched this video be recorded as I played wizard101 50 feet away. Also, I'm the guy that messes with the 3d printers at LVL1 so if anyone has any questions about the space or specifics about tools feel free to drop a line here.

[@NoMercyFtw]

These companies need to stick to making printers, they are not a slicer company stop trying to control the whole narrative just focus on making the best printer once you've done that or made the best printer you could possibly make then you can try it making your own slicer

[@Cpgeekorg]

re: x1c doing flow calibration: you can (and should, on a per-material basis) do your own flow calibration on ANY machine (orcaslicer has built-in models to make that happen, I believe bambu slicer and creality slicer does as well), or you can find gcode generators online for doing flow calibration (it takes maybe 1-2 very quick prints, and then you can build profiles for your hotends+materials.)

[@MrGarkin]

For all the QIDI fanboys here. Qidi Q1pro is literally TWICE the volume of K1 for almost the same build size. It's perfectly fine if you have a space for it, but most casual users don't. Don't forget that Q1pro is also THRICE uglier, which is also an important factor for most users.

[@hrdcpy]

Serial numbler.

[@TEX360]

great video. Is the A1 Mini up top, shaking the creality below? `

[@cdeeze]

Won't the movement of the Creality and the A1 mini affect one another's prints because of their movements if they're stacked like that?

[@exziarc4600]

I love the aurora tech printing background music

[@IvanJoel]

nathan builds robots: ender 3 speed builder extraordinaire.

[@3D_Printing]

The K2 Creality Vs. The newer Bambu printer ?

[@ryankelly7406]

Hi what is a go printer 500 and under on a budget and where can i learn to build a printer for the future

[@GamingWithURO]

Running 2 K1's beside me right now while watching this. LOL CR5 has been out for at least a few months now (May 2024) and seems to work real well overall. They've already made a bunch of improvements to it with some updates too. 👍

[@FuIImatiK]

The K2 Plus was tested, it was called the K1 K1Max K1C 😂

[@Nigel_Tufnel_11]

I very much enjoyed the "Live Demo of Quadrupolar Express at ERRF 3D Printopia" of this video. Certainly involved a lot more details of creality print than I expected, but whatever... :-D

[@Slydog43UTube]

Thanks for all your vids, I want to print out your battle Benchy, but I couldn't find it. Please upload STL. Thanks

[@daveduncan2748]

I love my K1C. Huge step up from my Ender 3 Pro for a great price. The X1C is nice, but pricey. I feel like I get 90% of the functionality of the X1C with my K1C, for only 30% of the cost.

[@FranklyPeetoons]

Ex-mo-lent as always. In-depth. Cogent. Mildly snarky in a pleasant way. The lesson NO 3D printer channel seems to have learned: white filament (and black filament) prints are dang hard to see properly on video. The hypno-toad eye lights in the upper right of your wide shots are dandy.

[@3DATHENS-qi1tu]

NBR is doing a Creality vs Bambu Lab we dont miss that for nothing

[@Demento1974]

@NathanBuildsRobots Great discussion points all around. I'm with ya on the cloud front. I run everything locally on my isolated network. P.S. - Best magic trick ever: Turn an A1 mini into a Prusa Mini (I noticed the switch about half way through the video). 😉

[@redline6871]

I don’t get the orca slicer thing oh yea all the calibrations are built in well because if sucks and you have to calibrate everything. Never had to really mess with cura generally settings and temp change and I was good to go.

[@3dprintyboy]

“Dont save the …” - gotta love makerspace people😄

[@asmodeuso27]

I spent more time fixing my ender 5 S1 than actually printing stuff with it. I don’t mind, tweaking stuff is my passion, but my bf wanted to actually print stuff. So we got a P1S, he’s pretty much satisfied about it and I can tweak my Frankenstein alone.

[@shababhsiddique]

opening up a printhead while its printing and breaking stuff. its definitely not user error.

[@TheOneAndOnlySatan]

How has no one noticed the experimental active dual-printer harmonic damping system-a sneak peek straight from the DARPA-like NAMRC (Nathan Additive Manufacturing Research Center)? 🤓

[@aberodriguez4149]

Great review and observations and this cloud service is something also to be on guard about. History has proven many times how institutions have advertised a great service only to later realize it was a tracking system and system to use against its users, take for example what the iphone 16 spying capabilities are.... none the less I think ones own budget in investing in any 3D filament printer purchase will also factor into the hobby. Thanks for sharing.

[@gitss7367]

Don't forget that A1 recall deal with the bed cable. This is not a complaint per se but they did have a product that wasn't 100% good to go that hit lots of peoples work benches.

[@the_realist_John_Doe]

Which was fixed for free.. and sent me a code that made my A1 mini cost $80. I came out pretty good buying an A1 actually. lol

[@user-jh1mq2ih2u]

Not really y’all over exaggerating a handful .. Bambu stepped up quick offered replacement cable and some credit and offered free shipping and credit for them to do the work and resolved the issue … so yes they launched successfully and better and a great product

[@andreas.grundler]

I still wonder how this could have happened. Looking at the old strain relief and the new one, it looks to me as if either a designer rather than an engineer created the strain relief, or they are suffering from 'not invented here' syndrome and wanted to make something completely their own rather than using existing strain reliefs as a guide.

[@Cpgeekorg]

zombie tuned profiles are the work of zombiehedgehog - an awesome 3d printing creator on twitch and youtube. he makes profiles available as part of his patreon rewards. you would have had to have installed that manually.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

What does a hedgehog have to do with 3D printers?

[@Cpgeekorg]

@@NathanBuildsRobots @hedgehogmakes is a youtube channel worth taking a look at. he mostly builds printers and talks about printing while also being a heck of a nice guy.

[@C650101]

Interesting label on the monitor

[@BitterCynical]

Haven't used creality cloud so far and I'm not sure I will even if I decide I want to monitor long prints through the internet. I might just VPN tunnel into my home network instead. As a slicer I actually prefer this new creality print over orcaslicer or anything else, seems they have better defaults for their own printers which makes sense. Also the webcam and timelapse download stuff works better on creality print. Basically it's just nice to use over wi-fi with my K1C.

[@shadows555555]

29:04 song goes hard. I wonder where I've heard it before... 😅

[@PurpleBaroon]

recent subscriber to this channel. Whats your bambu's beef with you?

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

They can’t handle the truth

[@Jerrie-Lenore]

Real usb ports! Something the resin printers seem to have kept, and new Qidi fff/fdm printers all include.

[@woodcat7180]

But, P1S is only $699. In that light the K1C does not look so hot anymore.

[@supergiantbubbles]

That's an apples to oranges comparison. Printing ABS or other high warping materials in the P1S won't go so well as on the K1C.

[@woodcat7180]

@@supergiantbubbles Why? Both are enclosed and have no chamber heater.

[@tenchuu007]

The P1S and X1 just flat out have more printing options. It shouldn't even be a competition.

[@nathanp3366]

I print mostly ABS on my stock P1S so not really sure where you’re getting that info but it’s incorrect

[@FrequenciaJogos]

​@@supergiantbubbles Are you sure you're not confusing the P1P with the P1S? The P1P is the open printer, which might have issues with ABS; The P1S have a enclosure, similar to K1/K1C.

[@C650101]

PRUSA MK3S still working out of box. 1 year of hrs on it.

[@elrictraver8275]

in short, creality = open source, lend to tinkering, imo more fun to use. Bambu = closed loop, perhaps monitoring you, kinda tinfoil hat, but I digress.

[@noobfacegamez8670]

I want a printer, that I can print with out of the box. Not a printer I have to calibrate, zone in settings and what have you. PS1 Most SOLID investement ever. I have had it for a while and zero issues. I have had Elegoo and Creality and none of them are worth it in my opinion

[@Sikorsky66]

BREAKING NEWS: man claims older cheaper printers are worse than newer more expensive printers. More statements of the obvious at 11.

[@RichardBCumbrianModelRailways]

This, just sent my V3 KE back

[@Mr.Thermistor7228]

3d printing and not wanting to do any work are two things that are unbelievable to say in the same sentence. Total BS

[@noobfacegamez8670]

When you own a PS1, its not. I have had zero issue. No onw who is a hobbyist should have the expectation to level, fix settings, for a benchy print. Now down the road when you want to get serious, heck yeah. Go settings crazy, calibrate your brains out. Level til you cant level enough. But in the beginning, I dont feel users should have that experience right aways. Luckily with my experience and current machine. I dont have to worry. I am currently printing Deadpools 50 calibur gun, no leveling no nothing and I would guarantee my print will come out sharper even after you took 2 days to check your levels, adjust your settings. I promise you.

[@RichardBCumbrianModelRailways]

@@noobfacegamez8670 this

[@nekrosoft13]

Got few printers, at home lulzbot taz workhorse, k1max and kobra 3 combo. And at work x1c. Buying x1x for work was a huge mistake, due to IT network security requirements networking that thing is a complete nightmare. Cloud is out of question. And wifi requires enterprise lecel encryption. X1c also takes long time to get ready, while k1 max can spit out parts much faster with same quality.

[@No0o0o0o0o0]

So you bought a consumer X1C when there is a X1E with enterprise options? ok lets focus on options vs why the company penny pinched over their actual needs. Even if you are "stuck" with an X1C lets assume you have a competent IT staff. Vlan can easily solve your needs. Partition off the network the printer is on from the rest of the network. If cloud is no bueno go lan only with vlan. If you dont have a competent IT. Lan only mode which disables outside connections, FTP. or SD only with a combination of Cell phone hot spot or dedicated hotspot. which does not touch the internal network. Get a cheap router that does not connect to the internet and push a 2.4gh wifi for the printer and have a dedicated computer used for the 3d prints. no internet access at all. So in the span of 60 seconds I showed you a bunch of options. Take that to your work and look like a hero. As for long start up time there is "fast startup gcode" which knocks the start print to about 3-4 min vs 7-8. Takes 10 seconds to copy and paste into your start code. Again, you are welcome.

[@nekrosoft13]

@@No0o0o0o0o0 problem been fixed already. X1e wasn't around when x1c was bought. And there was a lot of red tape to go through, is a big multi national company with Japan holding all the power over IT network. And Cloud was completely out of question as sensitive parts were being printed. That being said, is x1c not the right device for corporations.

[@Howiefied]

Nathan when will you be looking at the qidi 4?

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

No, they got their feelings hurt when I said all their printers look like chunky plastic boxes. They tend to print pretty well though

[@Howiefied]

@@NathanBuildsRobotsthat’s why I was hoping you’d review it. You seem to tell it how it is, other KZbinrs seem to pull their punches.

[@lamont22222]

I kept falling asleep using my ender3 lol

[@dtibor5903]

I have ender 3v2 and Bambu A1. Comparable but not really. I print with bambu because of the reliability and better quality.

[@wilurbean]

Creality's sole innovation was making cheap copies. That business model itself, was a cheap copy. Creality could be thanos'd tomorrow and nothing of value would be lost.

[@Roobotics]

You are going to break your AMS input off sideways by not using a bowden tube, if filament tangles that's going sideways. Also pause button exists for a reason, inputting filament while it's calibrating isn't a great idea. It's weird you praise the creality LAN mode then don't use the bambu LAN mode and use that as points for comparison. 4:46 That's not the right way to do standard offline mode unless you really want to cycle SD cards until they break.. "LAN Only" mode fully supports connecting and uploading directly to the printer from slicer. Instead of cloud sign-in, the printer gives you a random code to authenticate with after the PC finds it. Way better as the AMS pushes filament colors back to you when you connect, webcam works, progress bar updates, etc. Their last slicer update also seems to have made it so I don't have to randomly authenticate again every 2 days or so at random (but the random number it gives stays the same unless you tell it to regenerate on the printer, so I just had it written down for when needed, so it's even more robust now) 13:20 also false because you can load things onto it while it's still printing, it's klipper, they're all klipper, it's klipper all the way down. You don't really need to touch an SD card again unless it's to purge it when it's full. Why on earth would you want to steal the SD card for another use while it's in the middle of printing?

[@Immolate62]

Another episode of Nathan being Bambu's finest unintentional salesman. It isn't that a lot of people don't share your concerns, it's just that people weigh them a lot differently. Most people don't care if China steals their flexi rexi mod. Most people's idea of modding their printer is adding an AMS riser or a poop bucket. I'm not denigrating them. To them the printer is for printing things, with the things being the entire point. You're stuck in the mode of the mad scientist for whom the "can we do it" is more compelling than the "why should we do it." Nothing wrong with that. It is your charm, but also a bit of a limiting niche. For me, I'm glad there are still crazy wizards living in hollowed-out trees.

[@andreas.grundler]

Many people do not understand the implications of a cloud connection. The problem is not primarily that China could steal your models. Unless you're developing prototypes for products, that's pretty irrelevant. The real problem is that the cloud can send data and code to your printer. Think back to when Bambu Lab printers suddenly started processing print jobs because the Bambu Lab Cloud had a hiccup. Or let's say someone hacks into the infrastructure to roll out updates for the Bambu Lab printers. They manipulate the updates and integrate malware. This gives them access to every single printer and thus a fleet of devices in the users' networks. I doubt that most users segment their networks. Therefore, the attacker then has a foot in the door and can take over more devices. In the best case scenario, he will only use this for DDoS attacks or sending spam. In the worst case, they encrypt your data and demand a ransom.

[@TheScottcool]

When another maker brings out a printer that can work as well as a bambu at a similler price .i will buy it ,but at the moment if you want to pretty much just download a file and print something without upgrading this and that and fiddling with settings for hours at a time ,the only printer that comes close is the bambu line of printers. But if you enjoy the messing around with printers and printing illegal things all the time buy another makers printers .

[@helixxharpell]

Have you purchased and printed with a Qidi printer? Especially the Q1 Pro & or the X-Max3? I had opportunity to buy a BL printer. It's overpriced right now in the market. Qidi has better Cust service ratings & for the price imo, beats BL comparable models. Give em a shot! You might like em.

[@C650101]

Maybe cloud so they can steal your designs.

[@staramysiepomagac]

Are you alright, son?

[@woodcat7180]

29:52 That MINI.

[@arnoldwilson3719]

if creality allows paypal as a payment option just file a dispute 😅

[@davidzizza]

You should have just unloaded the filament from the app…

[@andreas.grundler]

Which would require a cloud connection and Nathan does not connect his printers to the cloud.

[@davidzizza]

@@andreas.grundler Ahhh, got it. Thanks.

[@DavidCousins]

Who uses a SD card anymore? My a1 mini is exclusively using wifi to start projects.

[@RewardForgeDE]

[@ReinaldoGonzalezreix2x]

Kind of Apple vs Samsung

[@timothyjones7907]

Definitive source👍🏿 haha

[@redline3036]

Multi color printing is a gimmick just my 2 cents though.

[@6704whs]

You sound like a creality hater

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

I hate every printer brand in their own way

[@andreas.grundler]

@@NathanBuildsRobots At least Creality is more open to critism than Bambu Lab. And they seem to have a better sense of humor.

[@IvanJoel]

Even bambu lab printers have issues at launch. They all get numerous hardware/software updates after. I. e. heater bed cable

[@Guardian_Arias]

There is value in a cheaper entry alternative. still have my gen 1 ender 3 and its better in every way when compared to a prusa mk4 for 3/4 the cost and over 5 years of modding.

[@boggisthecat]

@6:00 “It’s prompting me to do some maintenance - [nah, f*ck off, I’m busy].” 😸 Probably should do the maintenance prompts after finishing a print. So that it gets done. If it’s important.

[@frankfun7489]

I bought my P1S and it worked out of the box without any issues and I printed on it for a thousand hours before I bought the A1, just because. Creality has a huge history of selling products that never work out of the box and requires hours of tinkering to get any decent quality prints. with bamboo selling products ranging from $200 all the way up to $1200. I don't see why anyone would really buy from another company. Bambu printers have aproven track Record of working out of the box first print.

[@andreas.grundler]

I can give you a few reasons. * Bambu Lab printers are closed source. This means that if Bambu Lab decides to change something that breaks compatibility with third party products such as Orca Slicer or Panda Touch, no one can do anything about it. * The printers log pretty much everything the owner does but the owner can't read the logs because they are encrypted. Only the support can read the logs. * The printers use many parts that are not standard. This means that you are basically dependent on Bambu Lab for spare parts. If you have a defective part and Bambu Lab does not sell the spare part, you have a paperweight. * Some parts on Bambu Lab printers are glued in place and are not intended to be replaced. For example, the bearings for the Y axis on the X1C and P1P/S. If they are broken you have to buy a new printer. * Bambu Lab has filed a lot of patents in China. Whoever condemns the behaviour of Stratasys regarding their patents should at least be worried about what Bambu Lab will do with their patents in the future. * Bambu Lab constantly cries about their intellectual property but do not respect the intellectual property of others

[@nekrosoft13]

Sounds like you dinged Creality for "copying" a slicer. But Bambu copying Prusa is an innovation.

[@AtomicBleach]

I've yet to get Creality Print 5 to work. It just locks up while slicing any model I try throwing at it. In my opinion it's a failed product and if their machines were locked down to their slicer they would be absolutely useless.

[@jc84com]

i am offended by the saved settings message. but that is a message i would leave too.

[@KatrinaLeFaye]

Enders are going to their unicorn nozzle for all their current / not discontinued / what they want you to buy. Just as a mention if you have a microcenter, the Ender 3v2 is less than $50 right now, since MicroC is getting rid of Creality!

[@claytonanderson9665]

Or maybe, just maybe it's because the Ender 3V2 and S1 are outdated models. K1 and V3 series aren't going anywhere yet.

[@nekrosoft13]

I think Stratasys will put an end to Bambu.

[@andreas.grundler]

This is unlikely. It is more likely that Stratasys will receive royalties from Bambu Lab and there may also be cross-licensing of patents. Bambu Lab itself has filed a number of patents in China and Bambu Lab is not a start-up as many seem to think. Bambu Lab was not founded in Dr Tao's garage. They are backed by some of the world's biggest venture capitalists and are making sales that other 3D printer manufacturers can only dream of. In 2023, they had $200 million in revenue and $500 million in investment.

[@ryanlowseck1164]

Got both but nothing beats resin printer

[@claytonanderson9665]

For certain applications that is true. Both have their use and that's how you get the most out of 3d printing.

[@chrisradical2046]

so tldr 2 bambu printers with their slicer where faster and produced better quality prints. With creality you had to experiment with the slicers. So what are you saying here? I wouldn't recommend any creality to a newbie for any reason other than to learn. If a newcomer just wants to print without hustle, there is no better option than Bambulab at the moment, and we have to be honest with ourselves. They all have pros and cons, what will you focus on is up to you, but trying to convince people that the sky is green, is a waste of everyones's time.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

My opinion is that is always best to always let people make their own decision. I have given creality a lot of grace for the K1 series but it’s time to stop. The alternatives are too good ATM. For people that want to learn/tinker, sovol SV-08 is bigger and better, albeit without an enclosure. Bambu offer solid products for the money. X1C is a bit overpriced, P1S is a bit underfeatured for the price, since the interface kind of sucks. But overall, it’s quite good if you plan on using the cloud.

[@KhanTigre]

@@NathanBuildsRobots Sovol now sells an enclosure for the SV-08. If those were available in brazil, it would be my first choice, but sadly, you'd get about 78% just on taxes to bring one here independently. At least Creality has distributors here that sell at a fair price. Sovol did flip the tables on the market with what is essentially a Voron for beginners

[@loboptlu]

Honestly , what exactly do you really want to use open source on a 3 d printer , it can only 3d print not somersault. Have 3 d printers since a few years prusa , creality …, and i am extremely happy to have a bambulab who does exactly what it should at superb print quality immediately instead of “modding” ( rather improving the lack of finish quality) myself over weeks and getting angry because some idiot at prusa or creality etc , couldn’t integrate a simple but necessary feature. P.s.: worked with computers and accessories since 1982 , what the heck is modding magic ,we called that “having to loose time correcting the incompetence of whoever made the machine” annoyance.

[@claytonanderson9665]

Cool. Some people like the mechanics of 3d printing more than just churning out plastic space fillers. We like to push our printers harder and faster, making it run circles around even a bambu.

[@loboptlu]

@@claytonanderson9665 LOL nice dream kiddo.

[@claytonanderson9665]

So you know nothing of DIY open source printers I take it? Plenty of ones out there like the vzbot that will do 40-50k mm/s accelerations with no vibrations and quality that will match bambu.

[@loboptlu]

@@claytonanderson9665​​⁠yeah right , love people dreaming , faster yes but same quality ? As what ? Draft ? What is your deviation ,in microns please, of all 3 axes ?

[@stal1963]

It is easy: Bambu Lab = original, Creality = clone.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Remember the time PRISA came up with multicolor slicing and printing and bambu copied it? How about the time Voron came up with high speed CoreXY printers and Bambu copied it?

[@officer_baitlyn]

bambu printers are great, but idk about calling them original they were only able to polish so much because most of what they used was already made by other companies creality for sure is not innovating, but bambulab ist kinda standing on the shoulders of prusa, voron and things made by the open source community

[@Cpgeekorg]

why are you dealing with sd cards at all in 2024? both of these machines are designed to be printed to over the network (and be super easy to set up to do so). you print right from the slicer (I presonally prefer orcaslicer but both creality print and bambu slicer offer printing over the network... both the bambu and the creality printers also feature LAN only mode. you don't need to use any CLOUD stuff in order to still use the printers on your local network.

[@thewarpsyrhead]

He clearly explains his reasoning in this video and previous videos…

[@RobinFPVflights]

Imagine writing all this when you havent even watched the full video where he very clearly explains why

[@gitss7367]

I will keep my SD cards as it is one less potential thing to go wrong in a hurry.

[@LilApe]

Obviously you're okay with the CCP having access to all your data and information.

[@Cpgeekorg]

@@gitss7367 I completely disagree. there's way less to go wrong sending prints over the network than removing the sd card that the printer uses for it's operating system and moving it to a computer. and back.

[@cstategrad99]

Thanks for using my X1-C AMS Riser design! Looks awesome in red like I used :-) (@RockChewer)

[@KatrinaLeFaye]

@NathanBuildsRobots you have an email on the mod board..