Creating A No Dig English Rose Garden Part 2 | David Austin Roses | Kordes Roses

In this video you see me complete an English rose garden using the no dig method. As yet I’ve not seen a video nor anything on the internet that demonstrates the no dig method when it comes to planting roses or even shrubs but I do believe it is a system that can be used. Charles Dowding is the expert on this matter and has his own KZbin channel where you can see his explanations as to why many people are switching to no dig gardening.
Mulch used in this video purchased from plantgrow.co.uk Ashley is the guy I spoke to and he was very helpful and knowledgable about what I was trying to do.
Many thanks for watching
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#englishrose

[@loku252]

This garden ended up coming out so beautiful once mature. Thank you for sharing. Your mom sounds like an amazing lady.

[@suebeckett9248]

What a lovely thing to do for such a well deserving lady. You can hear the emotion in your voice how much your mum means to you.

[@Jay_Jay]

That she does, thanks Sue

[@anomietoponymie2140]

I came to watch these two videos after your beautiful update showing the results of this experiment (posted mid-June 2023) and am totally convinced. This is really going to help me because it's hard for me to dig holes (I am handicapped). Thank you so much JayJay, I think I love you and love the way you treat your mum and your love of roses!!

[@Jay_Jay]

Your very welcome and best of luck in your garden.

[@juliannadoyle8976]

So beautiful to see you honouring your mum. God bless you both.💐🕊🎶

[@Jay_Jay]

Thank you :)

[@davenadainton4209]

Aww this is so special. Your mum sounds like a very special lady. Those roses look fantastic! I remember the day you were transporting them In your car 😁. Now they are in the ground and they look brilliant. Well done you! I can't wait for the update, 👏👏

[@Jay_Jay]

Yeah a very special lady, Thanks Davena. Yeah they are mainly very fragrant roses. I’m pretty sure they will leave her garden smelling lovely 😀😀

[@wendybartlett6717]

What a lovely thing you have done for your mum. Lots of gorgeous roses there. Your hard work will pay off as it looks great already.

[@Jay_Jay]

Thanks Wendy ;) let’s hope so :)

[@lazarusdouvos]

so lovely!!! bless your mom and you!!!

[@hydrangeaparadise674]

I’m thinking about fixing up my front yard no dig garden bed . Thanks Jay for sharing. Learning a lots from you🌺🌹🌹🌹

[@Jay_Jay]

Hi there. I’d recommend it I honestly believe it is something that can work well if done correctly but I suggest you look into it and see what you think. Best of luck ;)

[@jasonwoods4811]

What you are doing for your mum, is so sweet, you have a good and big heart, and bless your mum :D

[@Jay_Jay]

Bless my mum indeed cheers mate

[@rosegardengems]

What a lovely gift for your Mom! She loves it for sure! I am quite optimistic, no dig system will work. I am feeling excited for the results in the future. 😍

[@Jay_Jay]

Thanks Gemma yes I will keep you updated on it. Some fantastic roses have gone in the ground there, many of my favourites :) and the fragrance I’m pretty sure will linger in the air next spring.

[@mythriftedhomeandgarden830]

Your no dig garden is coming along great! No dig is the way I have always done with my garden since 4 years ago. How you cut your cardboard neatly made me smile because that shows you’re organized, while I just place my cardboard down without rhyme or reason 😂. True that there are several school of thoughts about union bud being below or above ground. When I first planted roses last year, I kept the union bud just a little above based on the direction from the vendor. When I got David Austins this year, I followed what I did previously but my DA roses struggled. When I topped with more soil to keep the union bud below ground, the DA roses started to take off. It could have been just a coincidence, though. But given that experience from the DA roses, I am keeping my bud union down from now on. I also read somewhere that it also depends on the climate/ zone where the rose is planted

[@Jay_Jay]

Hi there. Yes that first bed I done it was more placed Willy nilly like you suggest but I found it was actually taking more cuts to do that. Trying to place cardboard around the pots I was getting more layers also. But Some well placed cuts to the cardboard nipped that bad boy in the bud. Two layers and it was easier. Yes the bud Union many trains of thoughts. This past year I’ve been planting with the bud Union sticking just above ground level. I have done this because I’ve seen many roses in my area many decades old that are still thriving with the bud Union just proud of the soil line. I do believe burying the bud Union is a more recent thing. There are good theories behind both techniques. Have you no dug a rose bed in the past? Thanks

[@mythriftedhomeandgarden830]

@@Jay_Jay All of the roses I have in the ground are in no dig beds. Just compost on top of cardboard topped with wood chips

[@Jay_Jay]

@@mythriftedhomeandgarden830 thank you. May I ask did you plant the roses straight into the compost above the cardboard, or did you plant them in the native soil first like I done here. I ask because I wasn’t sure if the deep compost would be stable enough and I don’t know anyone who’s done this.

[@mythriftedhomeandgarden830]

@@Jay_Jay With roses, I have to dig the native soil because of the big roots of the ones that I planted ( bare root, year old) . But the companion plants around are on the no dig. So technically it still is a dig in a no dig 😂

[@Jay_Jay]

@@mythriftedhomeandgarden830 gotcha many thanks

[@soulgirlktf]

How lovely to create that rose garden for your Mum she will love those I can smell the roses from here - simply stunning selection. You love your mum it's so sweet and she will have many years of happiness from those roses. I love the idea of no dig too as I have lawn I would like to remove I might have a go at it now ! The bud union thing I don't know I always bury it because that seems to be the way they advise it here in UK but I recently moved and this garden has some big old roses in it that the previous owner planted many years prior and every one of them has the bud union way above the soil level so go figure :) I think either way must be fine but I am so used to burying it that's what I'll probably always do !

[@Jay_Jay]

Hi there, yes no dig is something you should really look at. For me anyway in terms of man hours on this garden took me maybe 6-7 hours from start to finish if I had everything there at once. To dig the entire beds the conventional way would take maybe over 20 hours work. And hard work at that. The bud Union yes people have there different ideas on it but I see many roses near me that have been growing happily for several decades without issue. Burying the bud Union in contrast is a newer idea that has its benefits but I think upsides and downsides everywhere. Best of luck with your new bed ;)

[@hydrangeaparadise674]

Definitely looking great. Can’t wait to see this new bed full grown 🌹🌹🌹

[@Jay_Jay]

I will update of course :)

[@lindalilly1544]

Oh Jay you're mum is beautiful. I'm sure you are so proud of her and she of you. I'm glad you let us see her and hear her lovely voice. I skipped through your video to see whose garden it was and no body better than your mum I hope me and my son will be connected again and he will say that about me. Xxxxxx God bless you both xxx and yes that's who you take your caring nature after. Love Lucinda. You made me cry too.

[@Jay_Jay]

Yes mums always deserve it. God bless you Linda x x

[@gavinparry5426]

Great gesture JJ and your Mum deserves it! 🌹

[@Jay_Jay]

Cheers mate :) 🌹🌹

[@ladyd7412]

So worth watching to the end❤😊. A gift of love! Beautiful!!

[@Jay_Jay]

Thank you 😊

[@rgb_6698]

Looks amazing Jay and such a brilliant and well deserved gesture, looking forward to seeing the results next year👍

[@Jay_Jay]

Cheers mate I will certainly keep you updated.

[@PershijsmachnijKherson]

Hello my friend. Great job! Thanks for sharing this video! Always believe in yourself and keep doing what you love, good luck👌💎🌻

[@Jay_Jay]

Thank you very much, that is advice for everyone around the world ;) thank you.

[@cherylbeswick7327]

I'd love to see a companion planting video in the summer 😊 would be interesting to see what you plant alongside your roses. Great video

[@Jay_Jay]

Hi and thanks. I will see what I can do.

[@s-joreilly6911]

What a lovely thing. I'm a no dig gardeners for veg on my allotment but want to plant 2 climbing roses outside my kitchen window. It's a 4 year old new build and the turf isn't great so I'm gonna give this method a go. Thanks.

[@Jay_Jay]

Best of luck my friend. Yes a new build house I think is often verging on criminal with only an inch or two of top soil. I’ve seen this for myself. Best of luck and apologies for not replying sooner

[@smallbackyardfun]

I am glad when I saw you did this method for roses. Back in June - spring time of this year, I also planted 4 roses for my sister by this way. I mulched all of them with well-aged cow manure and black earth, and they are thriving now, even in their first year.

[@Jay_Jay]

Great to hear, did you plant them in the native soil I take it ?

[@smallbackyardfun]

@@Jay_Jay Basically native soil below the root, I just had very light amendment by putting a thin layer of compost because the native soil is very tough to grow, clay and stone kind of combination. Just wanted to make sure the root settling down a bit at the beginning before spreading out the native soil.

[@Jay_Jay]

@@smallbackyardfun hi, sorry I’m abit dumb sometimes:( :) so you planted in the compost with a light amendment to the native soil below? No hole dug in the soil for the actual root ball?

[@smallbackyardfun]

@@Jay_Jay sorry for making confusing, I dug a shallow hole, amending native soil at the bottom of that hole with a light layer of compost, put the bottomless plastic pot into the hole, planted the bare root in that pot as same as yours with native soil (at this time the top soil in the pot was higher than outside soil surface) laid down the cardboard around the pot to kill the current existing grass and finally mulched the compost and black earth over that cardboard until it reached to top of the pot.

[@Jay_Jay]

@@smallbackyardfun yes I see, excellent. I did consider bottomless pots here but decided to remove the pots at the end. Just the root ball going in the hole. Great yours have done well I hope these will too. Thanks

[@naturessidewithabhilash9380]

Wow.. that's great Jay jay.. I really love ur idea.. and the best thing is it's your mother's garden.. that's really impressive and lots of hard work as well.. I really loved your Rose selection.. 🌹

[@Jay_Jay]

It’s not my idea mate. The idea of no dig is an old one I believe going back to the 1950’s. But wasn’t really taken up until recently. Yes a great selection of roses in my humble.

[@naturessidewithabhilash9380]

@@Jay_Jay oh ok.. thanks ❤️

[@flowerfairy1950]

Aaah I now see how it works. Excellent job! 👍 I have used the cardboard and compost method not for roses but have planted perennials through the compost and cardboard as and when needed. Your Mum will love it 😊

[@bloombaag]

Great work Jay Jay. Before watching the video I just thought that some day you will show us your mother’s garden as you have commented recently in somewhere and that you were sniffing a rose there at that time and here it is. Roses you planted there will spread fragrance occasionally but fragrance of your love to mother is eternal. No dig in agriculture or in horticulture or in garden is way to go and read that if at all implemented in totality will undo damage done by greenhouse gases in next 30-45 years and cool down temperature to preindustrial era.

[@Jay_Jay]

Lovely words bloombaag. Yea the idea of no dig I think is spreading. It’s not a new idea but now I think it is spreading. Cheers mate

[@hungariancottageadventure77]

Omg you nmade me cry too , I can now see where you get your big heart from, lovely lovely garden I can't see how it could do anything but thrive ⚘️

[@Jay_Jay]

Haha thanks, do I call you Hungarian now? I will update of course how it gets on. I do believe it will do well. Fingers crossed :)

[@hungariancottageadventure77]

@@Jay_Jay oh gawd I couldn't work out how to move the videos so I decided to make the old channel my new channel !, drrr...call me what you like. within reason of course!

[@HinaHeather]

Oh that’s a lot of work and so sweet! Thank you very much for sharing. The rose bed arrangement looks beautiful and neat. I know it’s tons of work because when I do cardboard in garden, I can’t do so precisely as you did. 😂 I used to left grafted point above ground because I worry about rotting. But in recent years I found they are better under soil (no clay of course). They are better protected from cold winter and prevent sucker. Best wishes for you and your family.

[@Jay_Jay]

Hi hina. I do suggest marking out the cuts around pots. I defo found it quicker and less cuts. Plus you know you haven’t got overlapping over overlapping over overlapping around edges etc. that first bed I done on the left was a mess:) in total I think the garden you see there was only 6 hours work if everything had been there. Hope your well

[@arsife5]

Have a lovely day too - inspiring video.

[@Jay_Jay]

Thank you

[@burntjohn]

You're a lucky man. Thank you for this!

[@Jay_Jay]

Thank you :)

[@melissamartin8208]

What a loving son!

[@patrickallon7649]

arrrr felt ya mums goodness i think she keeps saying dont worry its nothing in ya mums eyes it is nothing just normal to help a stray dog or cat . ps thourt provoking subject no dig , i got just area too do a no dig . think it will work out well next feb - march 2023 gives me a few vids of ya mums garden updates to see how it works out for you ,, good wishes to all reading this !

[@Jay_Jay]

Hi Patrick and thanks very much for your kind words I will update of course. Best of luck with your bed.

[@seniyeshepherd3050]

Great job💕

[@Jay_Jay]

Thanks Seniye

[@lavendercottageflowerfarm3281]

You can cut the base out of the pot and leave the plant intact. We grow in baseless pots all the time.

[@Jay_Jay]

Hi there, yes indeed I have several roses growing in happily in baseless pots. And I did consider it here but in the end decided to put them in the ground here. But agree a baseless pot would have worked well I think in this scenario. :) thank you

[@shannonwilhelm5320]

I was wondering if you’re taking the roses out of the plastic pots. Yes he says he will take plastic pots off. Good to know about the mulch, not being right up to the Rose and give a few inches around so the heat doesn’t kill the rose. I see it’s a No Dig garden, but looks like a little digging to get pots in that far. Is it just less digging than normal? I did a digging garden and now my body is sore. I have lots of Hybrid tea roses, and one climbing rose .

[@Jay_Jay]

Hi there, yes the plastic pots come off before planting. I left the pots on initially just to show the size. And yes some digging is required for planting roses (or shrubs for that matter), but the technique used has a name called no dig. If the roses were not dug into the ground and just sat in mulch they would blow over with the first bit of wind. So there is some digging required. Thanks

[@bernardettesilvafernandez4105]

Beautiful 😍 The climber pink rose, name is? Thnaks

[@deniseewert6372]

❤❤❤

[@lisajelle714]

This looks amazing! I do the cardboard and mulch method whenever I create a new garden bed, works beautifully. One question: have you cut off the bottoms of the rose containers before planting, so their roots can expand freely? Thanks!

[@Jay_Jay]

Great question. I did consider doing just that. I have many roses growing in baseless pots in my garden and for no dig method I felt it was something that could work very well. But no, I extracted all of the pots from the roses completely before planting them. I kept them in there original pots until the last minute to get the snug fit whilst I dug the holes. Do you plant shrubs with no dig leaving them in pots but cutting the base out?

[@kimfox5186]

What a lovely video 🥰. I've been looking forward to watching your progress and I wasn't disappointed 😊. I would like to know how you dug out those holes since the soil must be so dry and compact. It must have been difficult. I know that I've given up trying to do anything in my garden until we have some rain because it's like concrete so if you have some advice.....🤗

[@lisajelle714]

@@Jay_Jay I always unpot shrubs before planting! My system of laying down cardboard and newspaper is much more haphazard that yours, leading to more weeds peeking through! I was admiring how your cardboard looks like puzzle pieces that fit perfectly.

[@Jay_Jay]

@@kimfox5186 hi Kim. Indeed and no easy answer I’m afraid. All I can say is I used a narrow fork and narrow spade. I forked the ground around and near to the hole and just lifted it very slightly just to get some air in . Then marked out my holes only as big as the rose rootballs that were going in so no holes bigger than absolutely necessary. But it was hard work even for small holes. Thanks Kim.

[@Jay_Jay]

@@lisajelle714 I don’t think mine is that neat:)😂😂 I’m pretty sure in time some weeds will break out but hopefully something that can be managed relatively well.

[@dollyperry3020]

It will be low in nitrogen though....in the Spring I'd put down a layer of well rotted manure.

[@Jay_Jay]

Ok thanks dolly ;)

[@debbiewilson6527]

You're a good son.

[@Jay_Jay]

Thank you

[@SaeedHassan8n]

Nice ideas May I ask why roses were planted with pots in the ground.

[@Jay_Jay]

Hi the pots were not planted I just used the shape of the pots to dig the holes and back fill any gaps. I removed the plastic pots before planting the root ball of the roses ;)

[@gloriaruiz2332]

❤️

[@kitchenGardenofficalchannel027]

Hi🙋🏼

[@Jay_Jay]

Hi there :)

[@rickimoler7158]

Question: at some point, do the plastic pots get removed?

[@rickimoler7158]

Ok...I just heard you say it!

[@gavinparry5426]

More boxes than Amazon!

[@Jay_Jay]

Took more boxes than I expected 😂😂

[@Lucysroses]

I need help with mine

[@emmakirk9194]

My garden is covered in oxalis

[@veratruthe2703]

I just don’t get it, it’s a no dig but you’ve dug holes to put the plants in the ground, so it’s not a no dig at all.. it’s what everyone else does to plant a rose.. instead of some compost or mulch around each plant you have created a long mound..

[@Jay_Jay]

So are you suggesting I simply sit the roses in the mulch/compost? Is that what you have done or considering? Please tell us how you would do it. How would you get rid of the grass and weeds to create the beds for the roses? I dug the holes because without some digging the roses would blow over in the wind and the roots would not spread. The videos I have seen on no dig have been for vegetables, flowers or bulbs. So perhaps Shrub roses aren’t considered worthy of the no dig in it’s purest form. But the roses need some anchor and soil around the roots. To create those beds it took just a few man hours from start to finish. And man hours maintaining those beds a year later a lot less than that.

[@at1the1beginning]

The term 'mulch' doesn't really mean much more than 'a layer of material on top of the soil'. It can be inorganic (pea shingle, rocks, shells or - dear Lord help me - shredded rubber) or organic (compost, straw, leaves, wood chips etc). So I don't see why the supplier felt the need to differentiate between mulch or something else... Why would this 'mulch' be worse than 'compost' to grow veggies in? They're basically one and the same; the latter propably having a more mixed variety of original ingredients/sources. Also, putting down cardboard to smother weeds isn't recommended. Albeit better than landscaping fabric, it still inhibits water infiltration and gas exhange. I will admit that somethimes it's a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils (mulch alone needs to be laid thickly - a foot deep isn't overkill - to kill weeds and it can get expensive quickly). I've done it myself. But do keep it moist. Once it dries out it gets hydrophobic and is an absolute nightmare when it starts fraying if not covered. Expand the mulch further out though. Regarding planting your roses (or any other plant really); a 'snug fit' is NOT the correct way. The wider you make the planting hole, the better roots will establish. You've basically created a new pot despite removing the plastic one. You propably also didn't untangle any roots, which will keep them growing round and round in that small hole. They won't thrive if so. Woody perennials (shrubs, trees AND roses) establish quicker and are healthier long term when they're bare rooted and planted in native soil without amendements or fertellizers. And 'no dig' really ostracizes digging too much. Digging itself isn't detrimental to soil health; it happens in nature all the time. What IS destructive is overturning the soil and (repeatedley) rotivating it. That destroys soil fungi and mycorrhizal associations which are crucial in the longevity and health of soils in ecosystems. With that in mind, cultivating soil fungi is what you should do and that's done by mulching with woody material (chips, logs, leaves etc) instead of compost; that one favors bacterial populations.

[@Jay_Jay]

Hi lee Roy As far as I’m aware the mulch is what is blocking out the light. So wood chip cardboard and as you say rubber are mulches. But we wouldn’t plant in these materials so maybe that’s why the supplier differentiated. A foot deep mulch would have been fantastic. Outside Buckingham palace I see beds 3ft deep, but the cost….. If you had a foot deep material how would you plant the roses? In the native soil with a foot deep of matter above them? or would you plant direct in the foot deep matter? I’m curious as to this. Cardboard isn’t recommended? But according to who? It may not be best but as a cost effective and practical means I’ve seen it work very well from experts who have spent many years successfully doing this. Planting roses in a snug hole is not the correct way but according to who? I’ve listened to many experts and there differing opinions as to what they feel is the best way and why. This method seems to work very well for me so far and I explain why in part one of this video. I know there are many experts many of whom have differing thoughts on this matter. The roses I planted last year using this more snug method, I would go as far as to say have done better than anything Ive planted prior using the more traditional and accepted methods. No I did not and have not teased the roots on any of the roses I’ve planted. None of the roses I have bought have been root bound or anywhere near. Occasionally the soil will crumble from a rose when I unpot it. When this happens sure as eggs are eggs the rose will go into a transplant shock and will stagnate for a month or 3 whilst the roots settle again. I see your into cooking, well many years ago we were taught to spike our sausages when cooking. Nowadays it is said the secret is “not” spiking the sausages! So even the term “teasing” the roots perhaps tells us something and maybe they deserve more credit than we give them. If a rose was clearly rootbound only then would I interfere. But as yet I haven’t needed to.

[@at1the1beginning]

@@Jay_Jay Cardboard isn't very kind to water and gas exchange (high density) which soil life both needs. That's why 'modern' (decades already actually) horticultural science doesn't recommend it. But as I said, somethimes one has little choise. Here are some links: Mulches: s3.wp.wsu.edu/uploads/sites/403/2015/03/landscape-fabric.pdf s3.wp.wsu.edu/uploads/sites/403/2015/03/newspaper-mulch.pdf Planting techniques: s3.wp.wsu.edu/uploads/sites/403/2015/03/Planting-fact-sheet.pdf s3.wp.wsu.edu/uploads/sites/403/2015/03/Mulch-fact-sheet.pdf s3.wp.wsu.edu/uploads/sites/2076/2015/05/C100-Planting-Trees-Shrubs-15.pdf?h=AT00XbdaKBYF08mtopYWh033G-dcjYPfYnmlGSCUMsDjoPoedcUP7tw-c58PVTTxIHt9f6oUrLjCDELIYWpYIxf287gx7G0Sb9_EKrhWd9b4CaZ88onq_7EN8cAp0SwW&c%5B0%5D=AT1ny3Cob8ZpjEcst_sdyGO0gGftI-ZxS-7j-vjNC-aVNq2BOTEOupOhZKti6PaaVGxFxAzwsmj_C3ET4i8ZkznDAxdBxhtXAIjRmkVN7KFAoe-_XWuWd4FXYiLyy9p2EDGcteuybRmgiJjCdEQSM8pxOD-13HCb1Hg And who do you consider to be 'experts'? For me personally it's people with a scientific degree and who do research about the topic. They are, I'd consider, the top authority when it comes to this. I always make the following analogy: Who would you trust more: a doctor with a decade of study and traineeship, or your uncle who's 'had personal experience with this'?