Creating Causes: The Power of Hindsight | Titanic

Whenever the unthinkable happens, people naturally want to figure out why. But when there's decades of historical data to work with, people might end up creating causes out of thin air.
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Titanic (1997)
A Night to Remember (1958)
Titanic sinks in REAL TIME - 2 HOURS 40 MINUTES - Titanic: Honor and Glory - • Titanic Sinks REAL TIME
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Vollbrecht, M. G. (2012). Titanic: The Most Complete Story Ever Told. BookBaby.
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[More Information than you ever thought you wanted to know on the Titanic]
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[@cronzcariasojr8217]

As the Titanic voyage began, my grandfather was already shouting and telling everyone it will sink. Nobody listened nor cared. He continued to tell them several times. But sadly he had to stop when the security guard brought him out of the cinema.

[@gravynavy516]

I gotta admit I grinned

[@normanpearson8753]

You're as daft as me !

[@philmcgroin1661]

Cronz Cariaso Jr hahahhahah

[@rodneycaupp5962]

I was hooked..., and I spent 3 years at sea. Don't let me catch you down by the docks, Cariaso !

[@SMacCuUladh]

what a greatjoke, you're so funny, i can't believe you're not a famous comedian.

[@neurotransmissions]

I was tense about what you were going to say, but Titanic jokes are great icebreakers.

[@dangerouslytalented]

Titanic jokes aren't great icebreakers, in fact, ice breaks Titanic jokes.

[@Neverhoodian]

I can't believe you'd sink to such a level.

[@thecarman3693]

No doubt this will get a flood of up-votes.

[@IFY0USEEKAY]

I believe that these puns will go on and on....

[@eNodeTG]

+Mattress Stain NATO World pun police here, we are taking jurisdiction, you local cops are turning this case into a major disaster.

[@livesimplyandhumbly]

I heard from a reliable source that the captain was texting while driving.

[@CherryBlossomOhka]

Smith was sleeping , it was Murdoch lol.

[@matthewlee8667]

Smh, most people don’t know the average telegram takes 15 minutes to receive, translate and read. That’s why you can’t motor and morse

[@mateuszmattias]

You should be careful with "reliable sources". As you may very well know 70% of all quotes on the Internet are false as stated by Abraham Lincoln just before his Gettysburg Adress.

[@CherryBlossomOhka]

@@blueberryjelly9815 and who do you think was telling him what to do genius?

[@jonasmejerpedersen4847]

@@mateuszmattias "dont trust internet quotes"- John Adams

[@daveolson6001]

My theory is that people wouldn’t talk about “hindsight” nearly as much if we called it “assvision”.

[@spyersecol0013]

I literally just dropped my joint from laughing so hard!

[@mrhertzppl8759]

now thats the kind of logic that will prevent medical breakthroughs in abdominal plexiotomy, preventing solutions to achieve functional sightpath for those with ‘head-in-ass’ syndrome__________________________________________________ and I like it

[@daveolson6001]

@@mrhertzppl8759 We'll just have to give them a craniorectalectomy.

[@mrhertzppl8759]

Dave Olson thats a consult, charge the man triple

[@secondstar4987]

I disagree, I think people would talk about it more

[@JACCO20082012]

The entire story of the sinking is fascinating because it’s one of those rare cases where everything that could have possibly gone wrong did go wrong and there was just nothing even the most competent people could have done to stop it.

[@Maxyshadow]

Except maybe give the binoculars to the lookouts.

[@JACCO20082012]

@@Maxyshadow it wouldn't have mattered on a night like that.

[@donnix1192]

@@JACCO20082012 You are right about the binoculars , 100%. Another thing, the focus on “not enough lifeboats” is infuriating. When he shows the movie clip when the guys says “I saw a lifeboat leave with only 12 on it.” What the movie doesn’t mention is that it was an emergency cutter lifeboat that held 40 instead of 65. My great grandfather was a crewman that Officer Murdoch allowed board(with 6 other crewmen) because only 5 first class passengers were willing to board it, most passengers on starboard side didn’t believe the ship was sinking at this point and refused to board this lifeboat. Cameron makes it sound like Officer Murdoch launched a boat with only 12 when dozens of passengers were trying to board. He also falsely portrayed Officer Murdoch as a murderer who commits suicide.

[@Xenibalt]

yeah it's almost like it was a set up or something

[@longscallop2107]

Murphy’s law in action

[@ksrduj]

if the titanic was sunk by an iceberg, how come no pieces of the iceberg was found on the wreckage?

[@charliehelyes]

how would a lettuce sink a ship?

[@BlueZeroThree]

🤔🤔🤔

[@Shenaldrac]

Plus, jet fuel wouldn't be able to ignite in the ocean, so how did it melt through all those steel beams??? Checkmate, (a)theists.

[@igorvuk4454]

C H E C K M A TE !

[@OfAllThingzFooty]

Checkmate vegans!

[@thebonesaw..4634]

The greatest tragedy of that movie was how it portrayed first officer Murdoch. William McMaster Murdoch is a Scottish National Hero. Before the officer on the port side of Titanic had even launched a single lifeboat, *Murdoch had already launched half.* Of all the Titanic survivors whose lives were saved that night, 75% were saved by Murdoch. While it's entirely possible that he did indeed commit suicide in the Titanic's final moments (there were multiple witnesses who say he did), he was not the murderous coward he was portrayed to be in Cameron's movie. As First Officer, he did what was required of him... to the very last!

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

I didnt see the movie version as a murderous coward (the gun didn’t even have bullets when he pointed at the crowd and he didn’t try to save himself) just someone who tried to keep order in a chaotic situation by any way possible he could to save as many people as he could. Dramatized for sure but I don’t think negative portrayal.

[@allanrichardson1468]

Just as R. (Robot) Daneel Olivaw waved a blaster at the mob attacking a shoe store. The First Law prevented him from actually firing it, but the mob thought he was a human, and they were raised to obey authority figures, so they dispersed anyway. Asimov, “The Caves of Steel.”

[@kingofthings7929]

According to Lightoller, Murdoch was working the Davits for the collapsable on his side when the water took him. And his davits, on the wreck, are cranked inboard. So, he may have been trying to save lives up to the very end. And yeah, James Cameron did him ugly in the movie. Had to even go apologize about it, apparently.

[@CzechMirco]

The percentages of passengers saved from both sides that you quote are completely untrue. As much as I despise Lightoller and his pigheadedness about male passengers, Murdoch also launched the first boats half empty and in the end the ratio was 308 to 404 i.e. 43% to 57%.

[@hallamhal]

I spent longer than I should have reading this scratching my head trying to figure out how one launches half a lifeboat

[@AAmaro-mt9np]

In an alternate universe, Murdoch is remembered for saving the people of the Titanic the most hardcore way imaginable.

[@stevenschnepp576]

"Sir! Iceberg! Orders?" "RAMMING SPEEEEED!"

[@gizmodobaggins7040]

Nah if it didn’t sink no one would think it ever will.

[@charlescalthrop2535]

gizmodo baggins yeah. People would just think he was insane and that he could’ve went around it.

[@ernestoacosta7918]

Proving that the titanic was truly unsinkable as he demolishes an iceberg that crossed him

[@noahkoz6873]

Kickstart my heart plays

[@KarlPHorse]

“People are drawn to simple answers.” I have never heard anything more true in my life aside from things like “fire burns” and “water is wet.”

[@ln9296]

people believe what they want to believe

[@Ropius777]

@@ln9296 This sounds like a simple answer

[@VladiSSius]

@@Ropius777 Simple answer for simple people.

[@IsraelCountryCube]

Btw did anyone realize that His father is narrating some of these lines? as soon as he mentioned his father of something unrelated I thought that must be his father lol.

[@macaroon_nuggets8008]

Water is not wet; it makes things wet. (I used a semi colon so it must be right.)

[@tolvajkergetok]

The idea that the Titanic may have survived the impact if it smashed head-on into the iceberg is not from the movie. It was theorized during the official investigation.

[@DamonNomad82]

I first encountered that theory in the National Geographic issue about the discovery of the wreck of the Titanic. That pre-dated the James Cameron movie by ten years.

[@dylandarnell3657]

And from the previous example of the SS Kronprinz Wilhelm in 1907, which had cemented the prevailing opinion that modern steel steamships were unsinkable.

[@Vggincidently]

did you even see a picture of the Stockholm arriving at port after hitting the andrea doria?

[@bananian]

I feel like that would have buckled the ship like a popcan.

[@Robert08010]

@@bananian "Well bust my buttons!"

[@BensLab]

This channel definitely is doing an important job: highlighting the need for commonsense interpretations of history. Quality, quality, quality.

[@DarthAwar]

You forgot the 4th Quality have some pride and put some Quality into your work! ;P But you are 100% right good sir as commonly said and always true "There is no Substitution for Quality!"

[@Pseudynom]

But complaining about "sea route" is ridiculous. Most people on the internet are probably non-native English speakers.

[@ghostdukevladamir5101]

@@Pseudynom He's kinda joking. It's part of his style

[@2adamast]

Maintaining the California myth with quality.

[@hayk3000]

@@Pseudynom why would you say "probably"?

[@shadowzack]

Ahhh, i know why the titanic sunk. It hit an iceberg

[@raney150]

shadowzack pft, such silly conspiracy theories.

[@cyanmantan7616]

Bush actually did it, the iceburg was 9/11

[@SparksHardcoreMusic]

You're all wrong, Aliens hit it with a laser. Lets be logical people....iceburgs, what a joke. (...>.>)

[@lightdrgn20]

No, water sinks ships, frozen water doesn't really do that much.

[@MB-st7be]

*sank

[@nobodynothing3735]

Fun fact: Unsinkable was only mentioned in her marketing roughly 4 times. Only spread by word of mouth during and after the fact did the unsinkable myth show up.

[@sharathsh9987]

It's ironic either way.

[@justas423]

Most people tend to forget hindsight and assume everyone knew everything at everytime.

[@Robert08010]

I actually hear a teenager ask "But if Titanic mean disaster, then why did they name the ship that?"

[@XandWacky]

One of my favorites is a guy in our Discord server who no joke thought they should’ve made the ship iceberg resistant and only E.J. Smith was at fault. He even went as far to say that he’d haunt and torture him for life as a ghost. Of course it didn’t take long to refute anything he said.

[@screamingcactus1753]

Or they assume the people of the past were dumb as rocks and couldn't have possibly done the things they did without assistance. This, however, breeds an entirely different set of conspiracy theories.

[@HOTD108_]

@@Robert08010 Yeah, that totally happened dude. Teenagers look bad enough on their own, you don't have to make up stories like that.

[@Robert08010]

@@HOTD108_ HA! Not only is it true, but I have personally heard it more than once. And I'm not saying they're all stupid or anything like that. But its a fact that teens often lack the perspective one gains with age. That's nothing to be ashamed of but it does make for some really funny comments.

[@pixiegirl131415]

“In the end, it was a combination of a dozen or so smaller, less exciting factors.” You’ve just described almost every medical error. People need to stop throwing one person under the bus for a systemic failure.

[@JETZcorp]

That's certainly the case in aviation, as well. When a plane crashes, people want to lay singular blame somewhere, whether on the manufacturer or the airline or the pilot. Usually there has to be 4 or more very unlikely events lining up just so, in order for a disaster to occur. I suspect most things in life are this way.

[@TorreFernand]

The movie gets a lot of flak, but as someone who studied the Titanic in school, repeatedly, years before the movie came out, all those "myths" were reported as facts in the books, because they were "as far as we knew" at the time The movie actually made a lot of survivors and their families come out and actually answer questions for the first time, which is how we know a lot more now (not to mention studying the wreckage, which we'd only done maybe 2 missions to before the movie)

[@anonymoussecret5948]

also it's a movie made for entertainment; it isn't a documentary. Cameron admitted that he included stories he KNEW to be unlikely just because it made the movie more interesting. This movie never claimed to be 100% accurate, nor did Cameron intend for it to be.

[@cjstanky]

it's a drama made to entertain not a documentary. As such it's goal is different and it's more liable to make changes for the story. I don't blame the movie for the facts but one should always be critical of any historical portrayal or telling as biases (everyone has bias and it's ok people just have to be aware of how it affects an argument) and incomplete data can skew things

[@skywalkerhunterarchive]

these people just hate the movie, hate the director, or think its not cool to appreciate the movie

[@Great_Olaf5]

Then why is the older movie more accurate?

[@justanoman6497]

@@Great_Olaf5 Aside from the California bit, what was? And that was sort of planned to be included, per the deleted radio scene. Also keep in mind, Cameron was running wildly over budget and, for the time, it was a hell of a long movie. For all we know, he might have originally wanted to include California more but didn't get to. Anyway, I think he meant stuff along the line of speeding up, amount of life boat, passenger capacity that sort of stuff. Some dramatic license was obviously taken, but not all of the "errors" were actually known to be errors at the time.

[@MichaelSteeves]

Q: What do you get when you cross the Atlantic with the Titanic? A: Half way.

[@christianjoseph6502]

😂I’m stealing this joke

[@perrymaria01]

LOL

[@robslide3466]

A: Wet

[@coolthefool1]

Lol

[@mimimarcus]

Don't get the joke. Is it because both words end with "antic"

[@CogitoEdu]

D...did...did you buy a admiral outfit for this? Fair play.

[@subtlegong2817]

Then he sang Celine Dion while wearing it

[@burzwild2292]

That, or he already had it ;)

[@Shaun.Stephens]

..or he borrowed it from his father.

[@confusedwhale]

- Cogito - Either way... He was glorious.

[@MrThewildrider]

He got it for... Certain reasons

[@randyralls9658]

The door was big enough, Rose.

[@BetterofDead]

The door didnt need to be big enough, if the bitch stayed on the lifeboat she sat in, Jack wouldt have to chapaorone her around, and could focus soley on his own survival. God damn, that scene made me hate rose.

[@Fluffkitscripts]

And would the wood panel (not a door) have still floated with two people? It might have just tipped over if he’d tried to climb on.

[@Sireth]

@@Fluffkitscripts Mythbusters showed that the panel would still float with two people on it.

[@JohnDoe-kv3cm]

@@Sireth Yeah, but only if they came up with a solution that took two people with time and not in mortal danger quite a while to figure out.

[@robertlehnert4148]

James Cameron: "The script says Jack is going down, he's going down!" _Mythbusters_

[@misseli1]

"There are so many things wrong with *just* the title" - Me, just about every time I read a TIL reddit post

[@Perzyn]

It is completly the fault of the iceberg crew. They didn't hail the Titanic nor did they make any evasive manouvers. Completly unprofessional.

[@lilolebob]

Hey, it was their maiden voyage too. And they didn't have the advantage of sea trials.

[@QemeH]

Don't forget their loss of all navigational equipment and blocked rudder. They were dead in the water at time of impact ;)

[@madlyissadly9134]

Perzyn Should have used radar and texts. Basic technology people

[@frankdelgrosso8297]

Never trust an Icburb captain, they have been ramming our oil tankers for years. Damn dirty ice people.

[@nathan-tj6yl]

God damn penguins

[@iammrbeat]

TIL the film Titanic ostensibly ruined an entire generation's understanding of the Titanic.

[@archkyle]

honestly, it's not necessarily the movies fault. The audience is partly to blame. Movies based on real events are still mostly fictional. they sort of have to be in order to tell an interesting story. but humans prefer stories to facts sooooo i dunno, it's everyone's fault i guess.

[@swanpride]

Not really...a lot of the myths which were part of the movie (like the idea that the Titanic was tooted as "unsinkable" beforehand or that one officer killed himself after shooting into the passengers - which is imho the most unforgivable addition) existed beforehand, and the movie actually corrected some assumptions (ie the story that the Titanic broke apart in the end, though told by the most believable survivor (a young man who managed to survive by standing the night on the last collapsed live boat) was considered a myth beforehand but turned out to be true once they found the ship). They also restaged more or less every photo which existed of the voyage. What is true is that the live boats weren't fully loaded in the beginning and that most of the boats refused to go back after the Titanic had sunk because the people in it were worried about the people in the water clinging to the boats and the pulling them under. When finally a boat went back, it was too late. What is also true is that on one side of the Titanic the responsible officer loaded woman and children first BUT allowed men to fill the places left if there were none nearby (which is how the ship owner managed to leave, the story about him dressing as a woman is made-up, too, in reality he was helping passengers into the boats and was then convinced by the officers to take one of the last free seats in a boat which wasn't full anyway), while on the other side the officer stuck so strictly to the "only woman and children" idea that the loading of the boats went slower (hence one never made it from the Titanic) and way less people were rescued in the end. Surprisingly the story about the musicians playing till the very end is true too, as is the fact that a lot of the lords refused to go on the boats from the get go out of a sense of honour. Anyway, while there are some questionable aspects about the way the movie tells the story by basically suggesting that everything but the story of Rose is real, the myths which made it into the movie were well alive beforehand, the movie didn't create them, it just reaffirmed them. And I actually think that of all of them the idea of the "unsinkable" Titanic is the worst. We like to believe that the Titanic sunk out of hubris, but in reality, it was simply an accident waiting to happen. Sooner or later there would have been a situation like this in which the lack of live boats would have lead to a catastrophe on one of the ships.

[@wanderinghistorian]

No it's the movie's fault. I was a huge Titanic buff before the film came out. I read Night to Remember and watched all the movies I could find, including the one based on the book. Some small technical errors are there, such as the nature of the damage (poppet rivets or gash?), but the narrative is solid and was based on interviews of the survivors. The Cameron film deliberately leaves out entire things, like the Californian, and introduces new things, like turning the first mate into a madman, when he was actually one of the heroes who saved lives. Cameron may be a great filmmaker, but he committed a great sin against those lost and affected by the Titanic disaster by using them to make money on a really cheesy love story.

[@l.tc.5032]

I count myself lucky I learned about the actual ship years before I saw the movie. I love the movie but I know it's got it's problems.

[@chuckwagon9973]

Mr. Beat Presents: Voiceover

[@DoctorWortspieler]

I'm a huge Titanic buff, so it was interesting to see this video here addressing a lot of the misconceptions about the sinking. I even learned a couple new things: I didn't realize that there was a coal strike that lead to increase of ticket prices, fortuitously leading to fewer people boarding the Titanic, and ultimately about a thousand less people dying. And while I knew about the tiller orders, I don't think I knew the reason for the Murdoch's second order to turn to port was to ensure that the aft of the Titanic missed the iceberg. What a lot of people seem to don't realize about the Titanic, despite its name: it's HUGE. Its length can be measured in *city blocks*. A ship that size is not going to turn very easily. Considering that they only had 30 seconds of warning, the fact that the Titanic only scraped against the iceberg spoke of good maneuverability despite its bulk. Really, if they had only a second or two more warning, they probably would have missed the iceberg completely. I do have a couple corrections, though. The officers on the Titanic actually were not very familiar with the lifeboats because no drills had been run, they were dealing with relatively new equipment, and no one really expected they were needed. As a matter of fact, part of the intended plan was to board up some passengers on the top deck, and lower the lifeboat down more, and then load more passengers closer to the water line, because they were afraid of the davits breaking under too much weight. The Titanic is generally accepted to have been going about 21-22 knots, which was its normal cruising speed. But it was not trying to break any speed records; that was Cunard's schtick. The White Star Line's draw point was size and luxury; it may take you longer to cross the Atlantic, but you would travel in *style*. So while we now know that 22 knots is way too fast when there were ice sightings, it was considered acceptable to go at normal speed if the weather was clear (which it was). Speaking of ice, while Captain Smith did not ignore ice warnings, there were a couple that never made it to him from the wireless room. Overall, great video, and I definitely agree that there was no one cause to the sinking of the Titanic. There were a huge number of factors, and any one of them had changed, the disaster would have been mitigated, if not outright averted.

[@mxpants4884]

Huge number of factors, any one of which would have mitigated... This is sloppy logic. For example: without the coal strike it would have been worse.

[@jimmyseaver3647]

@@mxpants4884 I don't think the coal strike is one of those factors that contributed to the disaster in the first place, and I don't think this guy does, either.

[@rRobertSmith]

Thank god everyone forgets the Capt. was named Smith.....also the 2nd in charge of the Donner party ....was named Smith.

[@ElliotM2007]

this is less correcting and more just adding information, thanks

[@justanoman6497]

I didn't actually catch the reverse rudder instruction when first watching the movie, because I was like 10 at the time. I learned of the reasons actually due to videos on other wrecks, I think it was a Costa Concordia one. And recently, upon re-watching of the movie, I went like "oh, right" when seeing it.

[@StevenOBrien]

Regarding the lifeboats, it's also worth mentioning that the crew didn't even manage to properly launch all of the lifeboats in the time they had, so it's questionable how much of a difference having more would have made. The last two were only "launched" (one capsized) when water flooded the boat deck.

[@Alvi410]

Now that’s a legitimately interesting point rarely brought up. Props to you good sir.

[@redholm]

Yea. Comparing Life boat launching from back then to now. It was slow work back then. You did't have the incredible life boat systems we have today. Back then you had to carefully get it down or it would capsize. Now we launch those F'ers into the ocean.

[@ghosturiel]

@@redholm Hell you can launch them out of planes to land safely in the mountains

[@kingofthings7929]

According to Lightoller, they had to “work like blazes” to get off as many boats as they did.

[@stormisuedonym4599]

It also didn't help that they didn't know what they were doing when they launched, because Captain Smith was a complacent fucker who didn't bother drilling his brand-spanking-new crew on them.

[@Rovsau]

They had an orchestra on the ship. Should've just played Dies Irae and gone full frontal on that iceberg. Amateurs.

[@Zamolxes77]

Nah, Ride of the Valkyries is definitely the way to commit a coup de grace on an iceberg !

[@fahoodie1852]

Zamolxes77 Ode to joy

[@hippiehippo9030]

@@Zamolxes77 Primo Victoria?

[@johanarnold1052]

@@hippiehippo9030 A man of Culture

[@MarcStollmeyer]

The Californian was actually 20 miles away (as confirmed by the coordinates in her log). It appeared much closer due to a cold water mirage that inflated the perceived vertical height of the ship. Its captain insisted until the day he died that the ship they saw was much smaller than the titanic as it had a shorter profile, leading some to think a third, mystery ship was between the Californian and Titanic. In reality the mirage just made it look closer and shorter. You also forgot to mention that while the Californian’s radio was turned off they did attempt to contact the mystery ship several times via lamp. Titanic attempted to contact the Californian via lamp as well but neither received a response. The distance was too great and all messages were concealed by the mirage. It is stated that the Californian disappeared over the horizon, but as both ships were not moving a more likely answer is that the Californian went out of view as Titanic sank due to the decks lowering over time, changing how far people were able to see past the horizon.

[@castonyoung7514]

Thank you, I saw a TV show about this, and I thought he should have brought it up.

[@Crosshill]

wouldnt captains and other sailors be pretty familiar with the phenomena of mirages and triangulation and whatever tho

[@haroldbridges515]

@@Crosshill Some were, but perhaps only those with specialized skills and situations. For instance, if you read the polar explorers of the time they were well aware of the possibility that a false horizon resulting from atmospheric refraction would throw off their fixes giving the wrong latitude. But for ordinary sailors and officers in the major sea lanes of the day, it is unlikely they would have been aware at all of the phenomenon and still less likely to understand its implications for spotting icebergs on a moonless and windless night.

[@galoon]

@Marc Stollmeyer The fly in the ointment is this--when Dr. Ballard found the Titanic wreck in 1985, he discovered that Joseph Boxhall, the Titanic's 4th Officer, erred in his position estimate. The Titanic sank 13.5 miles east of the position that Boxhall estimated after the collision. Given this error, there's good reason to believe that the Californian's position estimate may have been somewhat in error as well. The methods available for calculating position at sea in 1912 weren't dead on like today's GPS. Therefore, the Californian's true coordinates that night will never be known for certain. On top of that, the Californian's log is hardly a reliable document. It made no mention at all of the rockets sighted the night the Titanic sank.

[@haroldbridges515]

@@galoon That's interesting. Are there other possible explanations than Boxhall's error? Does the Labrador Current run east at that point? Could the current have pushed it 13 miles east as it sunk 2 miles down? What about the possible effects of refraction since Boxhall would have been taking a fix on the Pole Star with a sextant, would he not? But I would think any error arising from refraction would have resulted in an incorrect latitude rather than a longitude error.

[@rage4shot317]

Thank you for the subtle “gigity” you threw in after saying ddd at 10:45. I appreciated that.

[@taitano12]

Talk about hindsight. Cameron is indeed a sailor, as seen by the accuracy of the nautical terms he used in the movie, but, he has been a key researcher when it comes to debunking the myths in Titanic. He thought he was being accurate at the time, but has since debunked many of the things that he had put in the script. Cameron also thinks anyone taking that movie as gospel is an idiot, pointing out the inclusion of stories that he thought were highly unlikely but kept for dramatic effect. The locked gates, for instance; which he himself disproved later. Bottom line: Movies like that are stories, not news reports or documentaries. Anyone using that movie as source material for research on the subject is a moron that Cameron would laugh at if they told him they were using it as such.

[@kingofthings7929]

It’s also worth noting that the movie is now over 2 decades old. Stuff that was accurate then may have been disproven later on, as Cameron himself has done on a few occasions during his later dives to the ship, along with other researchers. As an example of this, there are some historians who think that Murdoch spotted the iceberg around the same time the lookouts did and was already taking action when the lookouts called it in, as the ship had already begun to turn. Which contradicts what is seen in the movie, but only due to the passage of time and further research.

[@Zamolxes77]

@@kingofthings7929 It doesn't matter, is an ARTISTIC movie, made to ENTERTAIN. Artistic movies should never be taken as sources of facts, they present a story, not a fact finding expedition.

[@kingofthings7929]

Zamolxes77 I’m not saying the movie is a perfect documentary, just that some of it’s inaccuracies are a result of the passage of time rather than lack of research. That doesn’t mean the movie was perfect in a historical sense, far from it.

[@Kaidona]

The movie was simply trying harder to be accurate than it has become. That's the funny thing about time and never being satisfied with the data you have.

[@StreakyBaconMan]

James Cameron is an asshole, he loves to act like he's better than everyone and would jump at the opportunity to belittle someone and act like he knew better all along while advertising the movie as being extremely accurate when it came out. Yeah they are such morons to have believed his dishonest marketing that he for sure would laugh at them. I hate that arrogant asshole and refuse to watch his movies.

[@michaeldoherty5415]

I think the conspiracy theory part of things, with Titanic and everything else, is more than people being drawn to simplistic and/or single cause answers to complex questions. I think the “I know something you don’t know” line of thinking is so attractive to certain people, it leads them into the conspiracy theory realm very quickly.

[@neurotica5461]

And also the fear of random misfortune happening to them makes them want to believe theres a reason behind all misfortune

[@noyou137]

Lets just take a moment to talk about how perfect that lip syncing was

[@verdatum]

Also a ferrous metallurgy geek. And yes, the wrought iron & rivets were indeed brittle when cold. This is sometimes over-emphasised, but it is true that even slightly more modern steel and followed by WWII era welding were both massively more durable. One minor nice thing about the wrought iron of the time, it resisted rusting pretty nicely. It was honestly pretty impressive metal for its time from what I've read. Like, it was wrought iron, but it was some of the best wrought iron. I can give sources to back this up if anyone cares.

[@endxofxeternity]

I care

[@verdatum]

I'd completely forgotten about this. You are quite right! That was some bleeding edge technology at the time too! I confess I don't know the difference between manual and machine closed rivets for that era. I know that slightly after they used pneumatic hammers and bucking bars....I think that's the same thing, but not certain. I have much more experience with hand-forged rivets from my 18th/19th century blacksmithing research.

[@TheForsakenEagle]

That's one annoying myth about the Titanic, that it was cheaply made. People call it pig metal in comparison to TODAY'S materials. It's very disingenuous at best, or completely ignorant of the evolution of material engineering at worst.

[@michaelpoley6399]

Thank goodness that ever since then the changing mechanical properties of structural components at different temperatures were always taken into account. Oh....

[@perfectibility999]

The purer the iron, the better it resists rust. Steel rusts faster than high-quality iron, unless it's stainless steel.

[@Mimbesi920]

Good video. Two issues with it though. 1.) They are actually called propellers on ships. The words propeller and screw are typically used interchangeably. 2.) A large part of the reason that the Titanic couldn't move out of the way is that the two outboard engines were triple expansion steam engines, but the center engine was a low pressure steam turbine that ran on the exhaust of the other two. Because of this, the center engine and its propeller could be stopped, but not reversed. When the main engines went full astern before the impact, the center propeller was stopped. This reduced the flow over the ship's rudder, resulting the rudder being less effective at turning the ship. This is part of the reason that modern vessels with multiple screws have a rudder behind each. It also would have helped substantially if, rather than ringing full astern, Murdoch had ordered the port engine full astern and the starboard engine run full ahead. In that scenario, the differential thrust would have provided more turning moment. Source: I have a degree in naval architecture and marine engineering.

[@Moakmeister]

But the engines weren’t run full astern. They were stopped.

[@Mimbesi920]

They were, that’s what she did to try to stop. It’s the typicial method used to slow or stop ships in an emergency.

[@hugoslr]

@@Mimbesi920 oopsie, you are wrong. The method used at this time was to stop the engines and try to turn, not to reverse the engines.

[@Afrimusican]

@@Mimbesi920 Back to you..?

[@JTA1961]

Props to you

[@ChevronTango]

As much as the Titanic was an entertaining movie, I've been pining for an emotional movie around the Carpathia for years. We covert the heroism of rescue more than cinema gives us credit for. Carpathia ordered her lifeboats swung out and barred her crew and passengers from using the hot water so the heat could be used by the boilers to get there as fast as possible. That's the story I'd like told, even if it gets a bit of Hollywood fluff in the process.

[@garlicbread9875]

10:02 I’m just imagining them unboxing the unit and the operators are in the box with it

[@timothymclean]

Don't be ridiculous-the operators were sold separately.

[@Volvith]

As a teacher of mine once said: "Don't use Wikipedia as a source. Use Wikipedia's sources as a source, and verify their validity.".

[@stormisuedonym4599]

And anyone who doubts the wisdom of that can take a proper gander and how many of Wikipedia's sources don't claim what they're claimed to claim, they were just inserted by an editor too dishonest or lazy to find a proper source.

[@dcarbs2979]

The internet wasn't invented when I was at school. We had to research it properly!

[@alpheusmadsen8485]

@@dcarbs2979 When I was in school, we were told to use encyclopedias, but only as a starting point for our research, to get an overview of a topic. We still had to hunt down other resources to verify our claims.

[@delboytrotter8806]

A teacher of mine spanked me !

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@dcarbs2979 Have you ever heard of textbook industry scandals before?

[@Captainmckurk]

Mate, I'm a sailor and the screw is also called a propeller. They are both correct names for it.

[@CGoody564]

Correct. Propeller is the name I normally refer to them as.

[@NikkiMKarLen]

I wasn't gonna rename Propeller Guy "Screw Guy" after 21 years.

[@CGoody564]

@@NikkiMKarLen that would be a horrid waste of energy. You made the only rational decision.

[@taitano12]

Same for the "route vs lane" thing. LOL

[@quinnfischer3618]

My dad was in the navy and he usually calls them Propellers. Maybe it's a regional thing?

[@ThisThatThis]

"I can't stand that song" - no you di'int...... "Just kidding, I love that song" - :-D

[@bradlemmond]

That song was beautiful... Until it was played to death.

[@egregius9314]

I'm not sure I can forgive him for the song's inclusion.

[@NoahWhay]

Song is awful. So was the movie.

[@orangesheep73]

Fun fact I’m from Belfast where they built it, when I was younger My dad told me my granda worked at the ship yard and I thought he worked on the titanic and proceeded to tell my whole class that my granda worked on the titanic. He turned 87 this year

[@LMB222]

My condolences.

[@LeavinMyTown]

Was there anyone in that generation who didn’t work in the shipyard? My granda was an electrician at the yards; we even had his hand painted toolbox from his time there

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

Just a slight Correction. Lifeboat 1 is historically known to have *NOT* been bribed into not returning. The story is consistent between everyone in the boat: Lord Duff-Gordon gave the seamen the money as an act of kindness to the crew members, whose pay stopped once Titanic sank. It's been twisted into a horrible act by the media and time because it makes people view the disaster as even worse.

[@RR-us2kp]

I love this channel. All actual facts. No BS. No personal opinions faked as facts. Subscribed

[@koolnomi95]

As someone from Belfast (the place where the Titanic was built) we learn about the ship and its sinking pretty damn early in life. My favourite conspiracy theory for why the Titanic sunk was because it was carrying a sarcophagus and mummy in the cargo hold and that it was cursed to sinking...nevermind the one they cite as being the one onboard is currently located in the British museum.

[@Xenibalt]

yeah except it had nothing to do with money and power and the central banking system of america

[@j03man44]

Liked this video purely for the irony of the phrase "self-respecting redditor"

[@nextlifeonearth]

Excuse me, I am a very well self respecting shitposter on Reddit and find this offensive.

[@StayAwayFromMyCat]

Liked this comment purely for the irony of someone posting comments on youtube and shitting on other communities.

[@machomanalexyt5736]

I mean reddit is fucking cancer

[@KingBobXVI]

@@machomanalexyt5736 - Says the person in youtube comments :P

[@machomanalexyt5736]

@@KingBobXVI fair enough

[@than217]

Really liked your breakdown. I've studied the Titanic for over 20 years. This was like a breath of fresh air. lol

[@GoldEzmoreth]

One thing I noticed you said, cars speed *is* measured by measuring the wheel turning speed. A better analogy would be a car spinning its tires on ice not moving while thinking it’s going 20 mph

[@friedwaldderlebendige8494]

fun fact even today basically no ship carries enough life boats to house all people on board. instead they have a limited number of life boats and a large number of self inflating life rafts whihc are then towed by the boats. there needs to be space for everyone on either a boat or a raft

[@garyargyle4523]

"Besides, I can't stand that song..." Oh no, is he a hater? Can I keep watching his videos? How do I reconcile these two things? "I'm just kidding, I love that song." Oh thank god. Crisis averted.

[@TheLowBrassDude]

This is very good but you missed one thing. Alexander Carlisle, former designer of Harland and Wolff, optioned for Olympic and Titanic to have 48-64 lifeboats. He was ignored by his Brother-in-law William Pirrie, owner of Harland and Wolff, and Bruce Ismay for fear that the clutter would make the ships look weak. And the regulations at the time were that ships of ten thousand tons and over would carry ONLY 16 lifeboats, the four collapsibles were placed there on behalf of White Star.

[@fbfeme]

Omg the ending was such a relief. I believed you when you first said it and my heart sank a little.

[@sid0946]

Imagine being like "hey. There's icebergs." And the ship responds "SHUT UP" then fuckin hits it and sinks

[@LullyJo]

I've had a huge fascination with the Titanic my whole life, but one thing I have had to come to terms with is the fact that eye-witness testimony--while in some instances, the best evidence we have to try and understand historical events--is inherently flawed. Each time people remember an event from the past, they are no longer remembering the initial event, but their last recalled memory of that event. Details are lost, we fill in the blanks, many times inaccurately. Heightened emotions and stress can cause memory loss. Time will take details away from us. I bring this up only because I see so many people argue about the "facts" based on eye-witness testimony. While we should definitely listen to and consider what witnesses have said, we must also remember that humans are often inaccurate, biased, or forgetful in their retellings of events, and seldom on purpose.

[@Xenibalt]

so when the central bank of america was established after all the guys opposed to it were killed on the titanic ... that's just me reaching ...

[@LullyJo]

@@Xenibalt Please explain to me how this reply has anything to do with what I said.

[@Xenibalt]

haha explaining how mafias function is very complicated @@LullyJo

[@pomponi0]

I think realistically (without the 20/20 hindsight), the Californian could have easily saved everyone, had people made slightly different choices. However, without this tragedy, governments wouldn't have made such drastic changes to regulations, therefore another major incident was bound to happen.

[@wolf310ii]

The Californian had stopped for the night, wich means they had stopped feeding the boilers too. A steamship is not like a car, turn the key and go, they had to feed the boiler to create steam, it takes serval hours to heat up the boilers to start the engines

[@thearmada6248]

If they noticed right away they would have made it a little over an hour after the Titanic hit the iceberg

[@0fficialdregs]

wolf310ii that is very true, but even then the telegrapher(s) should of been mandated to their post and switch every 8 hours. i'm sure with that order in place, it would of helped the titantic in the long run because the crew would put more people into boats and each boat, hopefully, tie to one another to make it all to the ship in time. the less of life might of been lower than the death toll established

[@campbellsoup93]

There really wasn't anything they could have done though that would have made a difference. The U.K Marine Accident Investigation Branch did an investigation and concluded that even IF they had moved immediately, navigating through the ice at a safe speed (so as to avoid having two sinking ships) and crossing the distance between them would have taken them around 2 hours. By the time they arrived, the Titanic would've been all but sunk and it would just be about plucking survivors out of the water. By that same time, the RMS Carpathia would have arrived, and already begun to do so. Could they have maybe saved a few more people if they had done so? Yes, probably, but the notion that they could have saved EVERYONE is false.

[@siukong]

I wonder in a timeline where the Titanic *didn't* sink, what ship would have taken its place as the iconic sinking (one which in our history was "saved" by the changes in regulations). Would it have been a bigger or smaller disaster than the Titanic in terms of lives lost? It would be an interesting thing to ask someone with an expertise in early 20th century naval history what some of the near-misses were.

[@HappyRoach1]

I read on website that discussed the night of the Titanic sinking and the role played by the Californian. Where they looked at every possible scenario and believed that Californian would not have made it on time to help the Titanic. They said that there was just too much ice for the Californian to sail through. Also that National Geographic Titanic documentary has brought that during the night of the Titanic sinking, the sailors on the Californian were seeing cold water mirages. They didn't believe it was the Titanic because the ship appeared to look much smaller and not a huge luxury liner. Captain Stanley Lord could have saved his own ass had he written in the ship's official log book, that there was too much ice and too much of a risk to sail any further that night.

[@redholm]

There is also that because of said Mirages the Californian was most probably much further away than first thought. Making it less likely it would have reached. Apparently both ships tried to contact each other with Light signals but got no answer. Because they where signaling a mirage.

[@charliesundown3180]

Regardless of whether they were witnessing a refracted image/cold water mirage that made Titanic look smaller (one of the officers disagreed with Captain Lord by saying it didn't resemble a small tramp steamer, but an ocean liner), they knew there was a nearby vessel firing rockets and Captain Lord did nothing. Maybe they wouldn't have reached Titanic any faster than Carpathia - although they were close enough to see Carpathia's rockets as she arrived on the scene - but it was their failure to do anything that lead to them being so vociferously condemned.

[@James.Stark.Ben.Edition]

Also: non virtually= in reality. P. S. That outro was awesome!

[@joshuachappell5840]

5 years along and I still love the "Knowledge".

[@seanC3i]

Regarding the Californian, there is some controversy over how much it could have helped. The main reason is that its engines had been shut down as the Captain had ordered the ship to stop for the evening. If it were to try to race to Titanic's aid, they'd have had to light up their boilers and warm up the steam engine before going anywhere. Secondly, the entire area was covered by a cold water mirage, as stated below, which messed up everyone's perception of what was around them: the two ships may have been much further apart.

[@Chew1964]

Big ships with big screws use shaft RPM to determine speed through the water all the time. It is such a reliable method that placards with shaft RPM vs speed are posted in numerous places around the bridge. Every person involved in conning, steering, and navigating the ship must know their ship’s “TPK” (Turns Per Knot). I navigated ships and subs for 20 years in the US Navy.

[@seraphina985]

Still it isn't exactly the most ideal it's more the best of bad options when trying to determine the speed of a ship relative to the Earth while lacking continuous visual contact with a fixed reference point on the latter. With the water having unpredictable motion relative to the Earth in it's own right any measurement like that which is ultimately approximating motion relative to the water is going to be less than ideal for calculating position (Earth relative) or any of it's derivatives such as velocity (Relative to earth). This of course is why you also need to regularly update your estimated positions using reliable fixes either of fixed features on Earth or externally which can allow you to calculate position relative to Earth by reference (Eg the Sun, Moon, Stars etc). Planes of course have a similar issue in calculating accurate speed because air moves so calculating true speed relative to Earth is rather tricky, cars of course don't have this problem as the road is a position fix that can be directly measured against.

[@tinnagigja3723]

For some reason, I've never thought about this difficulty in calculating velocity through air/water, and now I feel kinda stupid. Thank you! :)

[@Chew1964]

+Tinna Ginga, determining speed through the water hasn’t been difficult for a very long time. This video showing a gunning engine was silly because a car’s speedometer doesn’t determine speed by the engine RPM; it determines speed by the tire RPM. It’s the same principle for a ship’s screw. What was difficult for a long time was determining speed and course over the ground. Wind and currents will push a ship around. Hence things like the Board of Longitude and the development of electronic navigation.

[@mrsmith2876]

When you're ship is built they measure the props, you use those dimensions to calculate your knots per turn. It's alot more accurate than you would think but there are variables like extra drag on the hull, Head winds or rough seas.

[@peregreena9046]

Speed estimations based on shaft RPM are affected by many factors, the one with the highest effect would be displacement changes because of cargo weight and fuel consumed. Throw in that the ship and class was too new for much refinement to have taken place, and it was a coarse estimate at best.

[@likeabunnie]

I've been binge watching this channel and overall love the content, thanks so much, and keep it up! A few points/feedback: -I LOVE THE ENDING TO THIS, HAHAHA... BEST "OUTRO" EVER! I did not expect that and I couldn't help but giggle... Well done, sir! -I've seen it mentioned by a few other comments, so I wanted to just restate it so that you can hopefully be aware (if you haven't already addressed it), but the fact blurbs (not sure the "correct" term, I'm referring to the extra information written out, I believe on a gray rectangular background) dissappear WAY too quickly to allow them to be read in their entirety, at least for myself. I can appriciate that it's likely an odd timing to figure out, I know in the few times I've attempted the same, it always felt to me that I was leaving text on screen far too long, but a good portion of people I asked had agreed that it was barely, or not, long enough for them to read. I imagine that humans need a moment to process that a written fact has appeared, and maybe it takes longer to read due to the audio narration continuing? Honestly just my speciation, and it didn't seem like an interesting topic until I started typing this, and now I'm wondering all about the best method of conveying information in that fashion. Hurm. -I know you "know better" than to generalize all "conspiracy theories" or other suggestions of how facts may have played out (both in this video and others on your channel) as inhearntly wrong, and dismissing those who consider them as uneducated/stupid/wrong (I cannot recall what words you used to describe them, and overall I appriciate the lack of "name calling" of others with differing opinions).

[@likeabunnie]

To elaborate/better clarify my last point, I'm not at all saying you have to give merit to all theories (that would be equally absurd), I just don't feel it is fair or due diligence to simply state a theory in a sentence and dismiss it with another sentence, when there are many more facts avaliable than the brief one you may have touched on. For example, in this video you asserted that there are people who don't believe the Titanic ever existed, and I can't say that I've heard of that before, and, without caring to look farther into that idea, I agree that it seems ridiculous, and easily disproven by the existence of the wreakage on the sea floor. Since all I know of that theory is what you presented here, I would agree with your statements about it. However, there ARE many other facts about the titanic than you covered here (which I take no issue with in itself, since there are so many variables at play in what "really" happened, and I think your video did a good job of attempting to give a fair, unbiased, statement of facts, as well as pointing out that there were lots of factors at play, vs one single, "ah ha!" of why such great loss of life occurred, and this video seems loosely focused on debunking/validating/"fact checking" the claims/implications made by the movie, which is a perfectly fair scope to investigate). It would be unrealistic to expect that ANY one source would cover all of the potential causes of the titanic sinking, and as I said, I think you overall did a great job of ensuring your facts were solid (no one is likely going to be 100% accurate, especially when there may be historical discrepancies in numbers, etc, depending on your source, and it seems that others in the comments clarified what you were attempting to share about how ship speed is approximated (in investigations after the accident? I'm admittedly more confused about that now than I was prior to watching this, but other comments made me want to learn more about it, so I'm not going to complain about something that inspires me to seek out further knowledge on a topic, it certainly seems complex and wasn't the main point of your video, so maybe it would have been better to simply state that it's an imperfect way of measuring speed, and, as you always so wonderfully do, just post your source/link to a video that gives a more complete explaination of the topic). Not a huge deal to me either way, as I said, no one is perfect, and it IS complex! My issue is that, having spent a great deal of time looking into various flaws/problems/and theories of what leading causes lead to the disaster of the Titanic, there is a great deal more complexities and evidence behind some of the theories than you presented, and bringing up theories just to dismiss them without a fair appraisal of the claim and evidence in favor and against it lead me to feel this otherwise fair presentation of facts introduced unfair bias against theories such as the ship being sunk for insurance money or switched with its sister ship, solely on the basis of those claims seeming outlandish at face value. That isn't to state that you should or shouldn't agree with a given theory, but that you should at least consider the possibilities, even if one decides, after weighing the facts and evidence for themselves, that they are disproven by other evidence or simply don't have enough evidence to back up the claims. It's fine if you don't care to explore the theories personally, it just causes your otherwise balanced viewpoints to become unnecessarily biased and misleading, further polarizing potential viewers towards assuming the "out group" is completely wrong, when in a fair and balanced discussion, as I believe you strive to create, you seem unaware of many compelling, intelligent considerations surrounding various "conspiracy" theories about the Titanic's sinking, and, as ignorant as it was for the reddit poster to base all claims on one (arguably less than ideal) "source", it seems at least somewhat parallel to dismiss other's knowledge without fully considering the evidence in their argument. Overall, your content is factually sound, which is why I chose to respectfully offer my feedback. It's very easy to fall into the trap of reporting facts in a way that presents bias towards the educated opinions of others, as you are well aware, and did an excellent presentation on how the news became... What it is now. I just encourage you to focus on presenting the facts and information on a topic that you DO know, and avoiding adding in small bits of commentary in opposition of theories/ideas that you haven't fully explored the merit of. Thanks for your time and consideration, if you (/anyone) read this far. :)

[@als3022]

And also actually the iceberg was thrown in front of the Titanic because a gang of sharks was working for a whaling tycoon. So whalers are to blame for the Titanic.

[@als3022]

What someone had to state that horrible cartoon here.

[@timothymclean]

It's more plausible than most Titanic theories. Then again, that's because the conspiracy community favors quantity over quality...

[@GA_Thrawn445]

that was an otopus not shark well shark trick him but still you spread lies

[@MegaKaitouKID1412]

I understood that reference. :P

[@adamnelson4428]

Oh god I got the reference too

[@invictus_1245]

That titanic real-time sinking video is low key amazing. If anything watch the last 20 minutes it's eerie

[@tonycarrillo9499]

Not sure what source I read this from, but it took Californian 4 hours to make it through the ice to where Titanic sank, and they had broad daylight to help them spot icebergs. It would have been nearly impossible to render assistance at night when she was sinking. Also, Captain Lord was not informed of the rockets until about 1.5 hours into the sinking. Californian could not have made enough speed to reach her in the remaining hour before she sank.

[@HeBreaksLate]

As a Navy man, I'm going to have to disagree with you about turn count being an inaccurate way of estimating speed. For a fixed pitch propeller, the Turns per Knot (TPK) ration is fairly fixed. Factors such as wear and tear or sea growth can have a marginal effect on TPK, but since this was her maiden voyage, Titanic's screw and hull were likely tip top.

[@STho205]

Correct. Works in a car too. I had an MG for a year or so before the speedo broke and i had to order parts. I knew by experience how many RPM in 4th gear produced 30, 40, 50, 60mph.

[@henriquedcunha]

The "A Night to Remember" is surely the best Titanic film ever made. There are only a few mistakes, if I remember well: They say the ship was Christened - wich did not happen to White Star Line's ships, they put a scammer that was not on the ship in the movie and they picture the ship as sinking without braking in half - which at the time was the main theory and was only unproven when they discovered the ship's location. Aside from that, almost everything in the movie was real. And it is avaliable for free in KZbin :)

[@larchman4327]

There's a video about this on yt channel ocean liner designs. In movies the ship is lit up more than it would have been and many boats were at the wrong angle to see.

[@chashague8479]

Another reason lifeboats were only partially loaded (from Pelligrino's book): The coxswains were ordered to go around to the baggage loading door in the hull forward, and take on more people there -- but they didn't come back close to Titanic, nobody went down to get loaded -- and the door was left open, doubling the area open to the sea

[@skipads5141]

The Californian was still stopped in pack ice in pitch dark with no radar, etc. The idea that they could have actually gotten there without serious risk to themselves, after stopping responsibly in the first place, is highly speculative.

[@emptyclips800]

Hi Mr. Knowing Better. I really enjoy your videos 😊 thank you for summarizing all this info in an accessible way. My fav so far is the Mormon video

[@Grumpini]

Love your videos guy. Even when I don't agree about some of your opinions, I learn something. Thanks for being such a good content creator.

[@robertlehnert4148]

"What is this with Celine Dion? The boat sank, get over it!" -- John Cleese in _Third Rock From the Sun_

[@piaopiaokeke]

Omg the ending!

[@Munkeh999]

Eric Regina he's better at lip synching than most pros

[@sterling4271]

and now its time to "LIP SYNC FOR YOUR LIFE!"

[@davidwright7193]

The other thing about the life boats was that they also depend on a rescue ship whenever it arrives because they don’t have the endurance to support 65 people for the 4 days or so it would take them to sail to the Canadian coast nor could any ship be expected to carry even the 20 watch keeping officers for the boats Titanic was actually carrying. Even through into the 60’s where large numbers of people were rescued from sinking liners there were other ships on the scene quickly. Most often when these ships went down many of the life boats never got into the water. Empress of Ireland, Lusitania and Britannic being cases in point.

[@politicalgamer9936]

In defence of the Californian, it was 10 miles away already stopped. It would've been hard to reach the Titanic in time (without anyone freezing to death) and carry all the passengers to New York.

[@andrewholdaway813]

It couldn't make ten miles in two hours?

[@justanoman6497]

It doesn't have to take the passengers anywhere, it can just be a bigger life boat for a bit. That said, what you say does bring up some interesting points. While it took two hours for Titanic to sink completely, the launching/loading/reloading window of the lifeboat is quite a bit shorter than that. And a steam ship does need to take some time to get started and build up speed. So I'd expect it to take an hour for it to arrive. Between the two, while I believe a significant number of passengers would be saved, the "no loss" theory that was mentioned is an impossibility. It is logistically impossible to finish rescue operations in time. But that's less a defense of the Californian and more a criticism on the effect people think it would make.

[@Forgeries]

If only they brought flex tape

[@gonzostrangelove6107]

In recent years, evidence has come to light that the meteorological and sea conditions that night were quite unusual, and may have been a far more significant factor than previously realized. The _Titanic_ appears to have steamed into the frigid Labrador Current while an exceptionally powerful arctic high pressure system was in place. This combination resulted in a flat calm sea surface and a low-level atmospheric inversion which led to rare amounts of light refraction. Numerous witnesses including members of the crews of the _Titanic_ and _Californian_ stated that it was all but impossible to tell where the sky ended and the sea began. In addition to the strange haze which was also reported, the calm sea would have meant that there were no breakers at the base of the icebergs in the area. Throw in a moonless night, and well... Also in recent years, replicas of _Titanic_ 's hull were constructed using materials virtually identical to those actually used, including the rivets. These sections were tested at the University of Washington, where the rivets were found to be stronger than suspected. Of course, they were not as cold as would have been the case the night of the sinking. How significant a factor this is remains debatable, though Harland & Wolff's choice to use No. 3 Best instead of No. 4 Best Best rivets seems likely to have played some role in the disaster. Just a couple of thoughts. Cheers.

[@seraphina985]

Superior mirages like that are not that unusual in polar regions, they are the opposite of the inferior mirages often seen in hot regions especially deserts in this case as the air is being cooled strongly from bellow rather than heated strongly.

[@toddkurzbard]

The use of No. 4 "Best-Best" wouldn't have happened regardless. "Best-Best" was almost invariably used in cases where only the most extreme of strength was required. Typically, for the gun barrels (turrets) of warships, which had to be able to withstand tremendous stress and possible cracking if properly strong steel wasn't used. It was NOT used for merchant ship hulls as a rule. TITANIC was built with the best quality steel that would have been available for a merchant ship at the time.

[@mylanmiller9656]

@@toddkurzbard I read the Court documents rom the Hearing held in New York and there was a lot of confusion as to what happened on board the Titanic that night! They also had other Captions testify that Caption Smith was doing what any Ship commander of the time would do. if you didn't run the ship as fast as was posable you wouldn't have a job for long! White Star line had bragged about the speed and were trying to brake the record !

[@EoThorne]

Did your dad also push for those sweet sweet dad puns? Oh, and I felt like I got Rick Rolled at the end.

[@BibleStorm]

yeah seriously bad song

[@Gallalad1]

It’s white fun to see how KB’s views on Wikipedia has changed from this video. I also miss these smaller videos quickly debunking something.

[@AlinJ.]

I came back to this video after some time and I just realised: that's Mr. Beat reading the comments, right?

[@shingshongshamalama]

It's also significant how damn fast the Titanic sank, from hitting the iceberg to water on the promenade deck. Ships didn't usually sink that fast, you'd typically have several hours more to ferry people off a damaged vessel to a recovery ship.

[@m2heavyindustries378]

Actually, 2hrs 40mins is a good time for a heavy ship like Titanic to stay floating, Britannic (her sister ship, identical hull) sank much faster (1hr or so), though the cause was obviously different

[@foxymetroid]

@@m2heavyindustries378 Indeed. The Titanic (eventually) stopped while the Britannic continued at max speed in an attempt to beach the sinking ship. This also resulted in increasing the Britanic's death toll as some of the launched life boats were destroyed by the spinning propellers.

[@hagerty1952]

Excellent synopsis. One further contributor to the collision, which you didn't mention, was the other order Murdoch gave. In addition to the "hard to starboard" rudder command, he command the engines to "full reverse." This also seemed reasonable, trying to buy more time before the collision, but it actually made things worse due to two factors in Titanic's design. First, the ship had three engines, but only the outer two reciprocating engines could be reversed. The center turbine continued powering forward. This caused the water around the rudder to become impossibly turbulent, greatly reducing steering effectiveness. Second, the rudder was quite undersized for the amount of ship it was trying to steer. No one had built ships this large before and the rudder size was a best guess using the understanding of hydrodynamics at the time (still far from complete). This validates the statement you made saying that going faster would have saved the ship. If Murdoch had left the engines alone, the rudder would have had a much greater effect and probably saved the ship since they only needed another 50 feet or so of clearance to miss the iceberg completely.

[@capitalism8381]

2:19 Yes, hail me Mortal.

[@tiredlittleautisticdemon621]

I hope the radio guy was properly charged for all the manslaughter. He is directly responsible for them no knowing about the ice.

[@gh7319]

Another little point on the speed thing, Titanic was never designed/built with speed in mind, even at top speed the Olympic-class liners were still slower than the Lusitania and Mauretania (which gets a brief mention in regard to size near the start of the 1997 movie) built 5 years previous. In fact the last White Star Line ship to hold the Blue Riband, an unoffical title/award for the ship that could cross the Atlantic in the shortest time, was the RMS Teutonic built in 1889 and captured the record in 1891.

[@James.Stark.Ben.Edition]

Yay! A new video! Also, i said this on your last video but I don't know if you saw it. Next video suggestion: plagues through time or something on plagues. Some nice ones: the Bubonic plague (obviously) the dance plague of 1414, etc.

[@jayhernandez5508]

Don't know about y'all, but I just saw the lip sync performance of a lifetime. I'll never let go 💙

[@DougsterCanada1]

Smiled during this entire video, then at 16:00 I laughed my butt off. Well done.

[@YTRulesFromNM]

I'm glad that you didn't repeat the lie that Titanic had steerage passengers. All Titanic passengers were in cabins.

[@mosaic.owl.studios]

Dude you have so much South Park influence in so many of your videos. Your hand gestures and mannerisms when you're explaining things even mimick Stan, IMHO

[@gabrielsantiago3016]

YES! You talked about the brittle steel!!! This video is just 10/10!!

[@thestonedabbot9551]

Ann Elizabeth Isham was one of only 5 First Class women to die in the sinking. She allegedly refused a lifeboat space because her Great Dane wasn't allowed on with her. Two weeks after the disaster, a small steamer passing by the wreck site reported seeing the frozen bodies of a woman and a dog; still cuddling each other.

[@greywolf7577]

It's sad that the men were deemed less important and allowed to die.

[@TASHITE]

When you said you couldn't stand the song I was so disappointed in you, I didn't know I could be so disappointed in someone. But then that ending! Stop playing with my heart. -.-

[@TheAgore47]

Multitude of small factors before a catastrophe. We called it ten switch theory. What ten things lined up to cause the problem.

[@rvrinc]

Love the mr. Beat cameo

[@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs]

Intresting and informative. I enjoyed this video :D

[@brunor.1127]

N I B B A I S E E Y O U E V E R W H E R E

[@realtissaye]

Why are you here? Love your videos btw

[@hugoslr]

wtf are you doing on Titanic video xD

[@theclimbto1]

I know how the Titanic sank! It went beneath the waves and stayed there. Like all things that sink.

[@deusexaethera]

9:44 -- "The Titanic was not isolated, virtually or not virtually...I feel like there should be a word for that." There is. The opposite of Virtually is Actually.

[@Shaun.Stephens]

or that over-used word 'literally' would do the job (much as I've come to hate the word).

[@deusexaethera]

"Literally" would work, but in this case he would need to phrase it as _"figuratively_ or literally", because literally isn't a direct antonym of "virtually".

[@Shaun.Stephens]

+Shawn Elliot You are correct.

[@lpclassic60]

I've heard plenty of conspiracy theories about the Titanic, but the idea that it never even existed? That's a new one.

[@th3gr81]

That is Mr. Beat!

[@MulMulien]

K N O W L E D G E

[@jamesdot1700]

Knowing New Opportunities When Losers Encourage(you) Googley Eggplant

[@bradlemmond]

KNAWLEDGE, CAWLEDGE, LAMBOR-GAWLEDGE

[@schneir5]

The most interesting thing I've read about the Titanic was that the spotters saw the iceberg at the worst time possible. If they hadn't seen it and tried to turn, the ship probably would have survived a direct impact, but the scraping down the side of the ship is what doomed it.

[@jonathanallard2128]

I read that naval architects refuted this, saying that a 90 000 ton ship crashimg head on in a million ton iceberg would've simply folded up Titanic like an acordeon, poping rivets all aling the keel, making her sink A LOT faster than it did.

[@AlexR2648]

>today i learned >i know a lot on the topic

[@julielove4evr]

By "I know a lot on the topic" they mean: I watched Titanic today.

[@CarterSauceFrey05]

@@julielove4evr same thing with 13 year old kids who watch Oversimplified and claim to be 'experts' in history

[@lynzlou09]

Just found your channel yesterday and have been ADDICTED! Great videos!

[@ActiveAdvocate1]

My aunt and uncle go on a lot of cruises, and one of the most primary rules is that, before the ship even leaves port, you run a full safety drill. You don't want to do the drill? Then you can't sail on the ship. They also repeat the drill at sea, and they take attendance too. In some ways, we have the sinking of the Titanic to thank for tighter safety measures on pleasure cruises now.