The Truth Behind Titanic's Gates - TU

[@bimmaru9542]

My other unforgivable is the implication that Murdoch drowned the stokers with the closing of the watertight doors, when in reality they all had escape ladders accessible.

[@lenseclipse]

This is only implied in Cameron's movie. A Night to Remember shows how they escaped and how they went back to empty the furnaces

[@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY]

@@lenseclipse The video explaining how boiler room stoker George William Beauchamp survived shows how they really escaped too.

[@fmyoung]

@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY This here from Wikipedia might be interesting too George William Beauchamp is the only confirmed person to survive the sinkings of both the RMS Titanic and the RMS Lusitania, two of the biggest maritime disasters of the 20th century. Beauchamp worked as a stoker on both ships.

[@singleproppilot]

Yeah, why would you want to go through the bulkheads to an adjacent boiler room which was also flooding? If your compartment is filling with water, the only sensible way to go is UP.

[@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY]

@@fmyoung The video I mentioned above explains that he worked as a stoker on both the Titanic and Lusitania too.

[@WhiteArrow76]

A tragic irony is that there actually WAS a direct route from Third Class areas to the Boat Deck via Second Class. The Second Class main staircase was located just behind the fourth funnel and descended down to F Deck. The landing on E Deck was right next to Scotland Road and accessible to Third Class by a service door, which according to one of Dr Ballard's books was open. But because no evacuation plan had been made and there was so much miscommunication among the crew that most didn't find out about it until it was too late

[@bigbaddms]

Great job on this. Not the first time hollywood has taken substantial “liberties” to craft a more dramatic story. Locked black gates with screaming kids, Kate and Leo immersed in freezing water, keys dropped etc. Compared to an absence of cabin attendants awakening 3rd class guests. One surely has more “dramatic potential”, compared to the other.

[@DirtyHardSock]

Hi BIGADAMS how are you? I went to school with you!

[@omarbaba9892]

In the film we do see 3rd class being woken up

[@ironhell813]

A lot of it was substantiated with witnesses. Mind you most of it was the focsle being cut off by crew members, but this coupled with the non mentioned locked doors at Scotland road and a gate that was also supposed to be there they wouldn’t have known how to get out and their only exit was the focsle, which was blocked.

[@richardw3470]

I read in books decades ago about the third class being trapped and left to drown. This is one thing you can't actually blame on Hollyweird. Even survivors may have gotten the story wrong out of ignorance of the various gates purposes. Some of the crew, being 'servants', may have feared for their jobs had they over helped the 'lower' classes not realising the danger they were all in.

[@ironhell813]

@@richardw3470 exactly. The stewards “the servants” quarters was in the focsle near the third class and they were notorious for following strict rules including the separation rules. The man at arms also was and he was near Scotland road so it would have made crossing them difficult. Couple that with the officers not directing anyone until it was apparent the ship was done for (over an hour after the strike) They basically just ordered every officer to keep quiet and order the stewards to quietly prepare the passengers with their jackets. And they were going to likely do it according to their duties, which included barring different classes.

[@AxleEnterprisesLLC]

I remember reading one account a while back about how one of the stewards who was taking groups to the Boat Deck noticed how the doorway to the Second Class Stairs was open but everybody was going past it because it was unfamiliar territory (plus the text concluded everybody was 'behaving' and sticking to their class so not considering using it). Chances are some people got out that way but most just made their way to the well decks (since that would have been a route they'd have used before to get outside, plus on the plans Titanic's Third Class corridors aren't really that mazelike and would have led people towards the stairs heading that way) and got stranded there, as you said.

[@willythegman5509]

Crazy the more I learn about this ship every year

[@kevinkern2149]

Something that the Demo 401 has helped me appreciate is that emergency/crew door leading off the E Deck landing of the Grand Staircase into Scotland Road. It seems like the straightest shot people from the forward end of third class would have had to the Boat Deck, at least until the bow flooded up that far, but that door looks just like the literal dozens of other doors off that corridor and would be quite easy to miss even if it had been unlocked.

[@ironhell813]

That’s literally the only exit they really had because the mid ships had locked gates/doors across Scotland road that would have blocked access to the mentioned aft stairs

[@bimmaru9542]

there's also the emergency door across from the baker's cabin on Scotland Rd that leads to the boat deck, which I believe Baker Joughin actually claims to have taken up to the A deck pantry just minutes before the ship began to break

[@ironhell813]

@@bimmaru9542 he wouldn’t have needed to since his station was in the aft of the ship anyways. I read all transcripts of all interviewed persons and Joughin used a number of exits because he went back down at least twice

[@Quasihamster]

The gates at the mail office were a bit different from the others, insofar that the gaps in their mesh were a bit wider to allow the passing through of banknotes. They were also known as bill gates for this reason.

[@mashy712]

The CEO of Microsoft's name lol

[@Gregm-l9r]

Thank you so much for explaining in detail the placement of gates on the Olympic class liners . Have a lovely christmas and VERY well done .

[@ironhell813]

Thanks for telling me where the ceo got his name from when he put his name into this reality… I’ll be sure to block it next time

[@wesleyhalbakken6053]

I wish it was more common knowledge, but I blame Hollywood. Historians will tell you that every single passenger on ships like the titanic and others had 24/7 access to their main corresponding stairwell. They may have kept third class passengers from getting up to the boat deck from the third class promenade, while 1st and 2nd were boarding boats, but they didn’t lock passengers down in the ship like what is portrayed in movies. At least there’s no record to my knowledge. It’s true that most steerage passengers didn’t know where to go because most of the officers were helping up on the boat deck.

[@phaasch]

Normally I'd agree, however, this trope seems to have begun with "A Night to Remember", which was 100% British made. I've skimmed through the 1943 German "interpretation", but so long ago, I can't remember if gates figured in the narrative. If not, it was a golden opportunity for Goebbels, missed!

[@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968]

@@phaasch It was likely pro communist agents in media trying to quietly instill class resentment. I'm not sure about the British film industry, but I know the US film industry has had a long history of soviet and communist infiltrators tweaking historical facts to stirring up resentment.

[@julieputney4317]

Thank you for clarifying the gate issue.

[@ironhell813]

He tried to but he missed some

[@oriontaylor]

@@ironhell813 Okay. Name them and provide documentation for your argument.

[@ironhell813]

@@oriontaylor ok he misses the doors and gates in Scotland road amidships starboard and the 2nd class stewards port side (E Deck) No doubt there were gates on the forward stairs leading to the 1st class reception otherwise 3rd class could of walked right into the reception, which we know didn’t happen from lack of witness accounts of it. And the stewards would certainly stopped any theirs class from going down Scotland road before word of the ships doom was imminent because they were 2nd class and superior (1st class) stewards there and the entirety of Scotland road was not available to them by policy. But we likely don’t have video since the doors leading to them are silted up and we likely would have video of the master at arms office right next to them which AFAIK we don’t. The MAA would have also deterred any 3rds class and he didn’t mention him either, even though he is shown accosting di caprio in the movie for largely the same reasons. Don’t forget, since it was midnight the entrances to the 3rd class dining room which would have allowed upwards egress (mind you not easy as the stairs there terminates early) would have been locked and nobody would have been there anyways You can see them on encyclopedia titanicas deck plans And don’t argue the first class stairs as they had doors that were likely locked on the lower levels as well especially the ones leading to the pool and Turkish bath and squash courts which you likely needed a steward to access

[@KoolDog570]

Thank you for setting the record straight 😎 history should never be altered from the facts to sensationalize the story ...

[@ironhell813]

No it doesn’t because he didn’t mention a number of gates and locked doors that would have prevented easy exit

[@rizz0d]

very eye-opening. can't thank you guys enough for all the great work you are doing.

[@JJMHigner]

When people die on ships at sea historically it's not because they have been prevented from rescue but that there is a lack of organization. There are generally ways out but they don't know them. In the time that they have, which is not much often enough, Not many lives can be saved Without some kind of real plan.

[@fmyoung]

This was for sure the case on the Titanic both officers and passengers had no lifeboat assignments and just to add to the disarray the officers feared the lifeboats would buckle and break if they were filled right up this despite assurances from Harland & Wolff that there would be no problems with that

[@DonaldWMeyers-dwm]

Today when you go on a cruise, you have to perform a lifeboat drill, starting from your cabin in a life jacket to your assigned muster point by a lifeboat before you even leave port.

[@Sabrinajaine]

This myth is so prevalent and quite frustrating...the truth, as you said, of them being neglected to death is much more difficult to understand and come to terms with. I cannot understand how entire families, like the Goodwins, lost their lives while there were so many empty seats in lifeboats 😔

[@jareds8729]

so frustrating how some 300 seats were wasted. testimony from the captain, thomas andrews, murdoch, electrical/engineering crew would fill in alot of gaps, and all that knowledge and life was lost. so selfish of the underseated boats to not attempt to pickup survivors

[@Sabrinajaine]

@jareds8729 I kind of understand the argument that they could have easily gotten swamped by desperate people in the water though. Although someone (I can't remember who) argued that the water was so unbearably, lethally cold that you would quickly lack the energy and willpower needed to swamp a boat.

[@jareds8729]

@@Sabrinajaine they could have approached close enough to allow swimmers to reach them while staying far enough to not be swamped. a narrow line for sure. i just dont like the duff gordon boat, or hichens boat. they both could've saved so many more

[@jareds8729]

​@@Sabrinajaine it's true, cold water would rapidly sap your strength. i still remember the day we got a pool and got it filled, the water was ~50 degrees, me and my mom were so happy we both dove in. i still remember the shock 20 years later. i can't imagine what it was like for them

[@Randomstuffs261]

7:35 Thomas Andrews doing the Lord's work, *protecting the Potato Room*

[@Caledon91]

Like a true Irishman.

[@georgespencer8429]

Steward: "Go to the boats. Go up to the boats. Head. For. The boats." Tommy: "FOR GOD'S SAKE MAN, THERE'S TONS OF POTATOES IN THERE! LET US THROUGH SO THEY CAN HAVE A CHANCE!"

[@Jacky-zt5ch]

Effect of having been born in Ireland getting the better of him.

[@blakegriplingph]

What a chad Irishman.

[@jkephart4624]

I truly believe Thomas Andrew's saved the most lives that night

[@umpquarover]

Fantastic as always. Thanks!

[@smith-murdoch-oficirLow-androw]

thank you very much for this very interesting video! 😁

[@thomasendter6770]

Thanks for fighting misinformation with research and logic. And for the interesting work.

[@augustoperes7333]

Very interesting

[@shaynewheeler9249]

Titanic

[@Randomstuffs261]

Titanic

[@plum_bit]

Titanic

[@KORYOP661]

Titanic

[@F-Man]

The countdown to the forecastle being accessible in Demo 401 begins here:

[@martinb6461]

I'm 100% with y, the final demo version did not open it up again. I hope we get some news about P401 in early 2025, the steam release is overdue and i'm gettin a bit sick of video-animations but no regular updates on P401 development ‼️

[@chavez-vb5tm]

I wonder if is it possible that some third class passengers could not even know there’s such a thing like a lifeboat. After all they never had seen boatdeck and lots of them didn’t know much about ships and about the fact they’re were carrying lifeboats

[@The_Engineer_Guy]

Amazing Video! Thank you for the final answer, so this misunderstanding get solved.

[@SallyKohorst]

Yes loved this subject.

[@RobloxianX]

It would be cool if there is a new Titanic movie for them to reference the actual gates survivors talked about, those being the ones for the state wells leading out of the Aft Well Deck

[@Serial__DesginationN]

Mainly from what I know is that these gates during the night of the sinking of titanic were used to keep the classes down so that first class would be getting off first then second then third, but I’m curious to see what their purpose actually is. Edit : I’m very impressed, I never knew that the gates severed purpose as cargo loading but it does make sense now that I think about it. :)

[@ironhell813]

No they didn’t; only the round bars along the sides of the cargo hatch did, and they wouldn’t have helped considering the crew was instructed to limit their movements

[@Serial__DesginationN]

@ ..? What..? I’m not stating a fact dude, I’m stating what I know about the gates that’s it. I even edited it so ppl wouldn’t get confused- 😭 🙏

[@wesleyhalbakken6053]

During this time in history, on a ship, like the titanic, every single passenger, no matter what class you were, had access to the main stairwell and up to the open deck. Those gates may have been closed but they never blocked access from your corresponding stairwell to upper decks.

[@shaynewheeler9249]

Titanic gate

[@ironhell813]

@@wesleyhalbakken6053 On the titanic forward 3rd class access for that stairwell was blocked by a bulkhead for almost all decks except Scotland Road, and that was blocked with gates and scrutiny from the forward steward quarters which didn’t allow passengers. So the only way to reach the upper deck was via the focsle and it was blocked by stewards until the 1st class had been remove by then the entire forward was flooded.

[@fastfiddler1625]

It's a shame that the media and movies always portray this physical class separation in such a vindictive manner. But the rest of the story, and the simple neglect of human rights based on wealth, isn't much better.

[@Soundwave3591]

It's worth mentioning that, among the socially stratified cultures many third-class passengers came from, independent action to save themselves was not something they would intrinsically turn to in times of crisis. Used to as they were to having fixed authority figures effectively dictating their lives they would have waited for a crewman or officer to tell them where to go. several witnesses reported seeing groups of these passengers waiting in the common areas for direction, some praying, some whiling away the time, but seemingly making no effort to escape. 4th officer Boxhall said in an interview years later that he was certain some of the 3rd class passengers never even left their cabins and, as the stern was pulled under in the final plunge, the smashing inrush of water would have killed them horribly. Even among those who did make the effort, many of them couldn't read directions and signs which would have pointed them to the Deck, and many more couldn't read English even if they could read. It's telling that, among the surviving 3rd-class passengers, the majority were Irish.

[@ironhell813]

Most of the forward 3rd class likely died of the crash and the first hr due to rapid forward flooding and a huge bulkhead that ran most of the ship blocking the forward cargo area from going to the swimming pool and the squash court. These were entitlements that the protection of likely heavily contributed to their deaths and is not mentioned in the video

[@fmyoung]

That's right eh I heard about that too (from Walter Lord) about 3rd class waiting and waiting for direction and expecting clear lines of authority from the crew

[@leonardobarbosa7825]

Titanic was technogically very advanced for 1912, yet some stuff wasn't simply around at the time, for example, a PA system for the entire ship. This resulted in stewards going door to door to rouse passangers and tell them to put on life vests. You may consider the way they did in the movie, slamming doors and barking orders at the passangers without elaborating further, rude, but at least they were there. Priority was given to 1st and 2nd class, the fact there were a few people in 3rd to assist them at all was probably the reason some of them survived. So while the ship had an internal telephone system, Marconi wireless and elevators, it didn't had a PA system that reach all of the ship or at least the main halls in which passangers congregated, which could have made a HUGE difference in the survival chances of not just the 3rd Class but everyone else, since it would allow better coordination and awareness of how dire the situation was... Or trick people into thinking everything is okay, in the case of the Costa Concordia. In Titanic's case, I think it wouldn't be like that; officers were professionals, mostly from the Naval Reserve and the high casualities amongst the crew show their dedication, even if they didn't had first-hand experience with a sinking. This extra tool could result in more lives being saved, for example, if Captain Smith issued the "women and children first" order to all officers simultaneously through a PA system, there wouldn't be the case of Murdoch (women and children first, then men if there is room) and Lightoller (no men even if there is room) doing the evacuation according to their personal whims and at least some two hundred or so lives could have been saved, plus the pyschological effect of passangers being reasured by coherent directives by the captain. Furthermore, for all the preocupation White Star Line had on making the lower classes' accomodations more humane and comfortable, it didn't occured to them to make multilingual signs for its immigrant clientele, but that is understandable to a degree since most of them were Irish, thus had English as their main language, and it was expected that someone going to America would at least try to learn a few useful words and phrases, like asking for directions. In the end, to say either "they had as much of a chance as the First and Second classes" and to say "they were just locked down on purpose" is an exaggeration.

[@nickb.1095]

Very well explained and I like when misinformation is put to rest, especially by a team who's now a the forefront of research on the great ships. As the guy below me said, yeah the Hollywood really ran with the sensationalism and drama aspect of this when making films about the sinking. This lead to many, if not almost every casual person, thinking that there were these gates everywhere inside the ship that kept various classes apart while the ship was sinking when in reality, there weren't. The gates the passengers mentioned now make perfect sense to me being the gates on the exterior of the ship to keep the various class promenade or other outside decks. Mike Brady with Oceanliner Designs put it in a rather good way saying that it would have been a "faux pas", aka embarrassing or rather large breach of social etiquette in the time period the ship sank and you would have been mocked or made fun of for attempting to force your way forward. Everything was supposed to be done rather orderly, and that is how a lot of the night started, then slowly became more chaotic and desperate as the night went on when people realized the gravity of the situation they were now in. Obviously crew holding them back would have been so people waited their turn as of course 1st Class passengers could potentially be more important persons vs 2nd and 3rd Class and so on. No well planned evacuation plan as well is an incredibly large oversight but makes sense given Titanic also set so many things in motion which people didn't even consider until after her sinking. Understanding this makes everything make sense but as we all know, no matter if much went differently, the amount of people which went down with Titanic probably would have been the same or rather close in reality.

[@cat-a-tonic150]

Very nicely done. I thought I was an Officer but I don't appear on the closing credits. I'm missing from two of the three THG Patreon channels too. Anyway, could you do a video about the various lifts and dumb waiters and their connection to stores and gallies? It's a fascinating arrangement.

[@ironhell813]

I’m not suprised. Iam also an officer and I’m likely not on the list either. And they don’t plan on honouring a number of other patreon requirements. Iam thinking of reporting them to patreon.

[@cat-a-tonic150]

@@ironhell813 I find Patreon confusing at times. I accidentally started a new membership when I still had a current one. Matt immediately refunded the amount but I think my mistake broke something.

[@zuitsuit80]

Another sad irony is that third class had several options to get up on deck, (“Scotland Road” on E deck probably had many doors left open and leads directly to the First Class staircase) however we have to put ourselves in their position on that night to understand what really happened. We are a generation that understands what it means to be on “high-alert” and always in survival mode. We question authority and rules much more than the Edwardians did. These were not “Jack Dawson” people. Their rooms were cheap and usually inside without portholes. There was no alarms system. There were language barriers for many. The ship seemed safe for most of the night. Many had children which are not easy to put to sleep, much less to wake up and dress at midnight. They were traveling with all of their important belongings. Arriving in America with nothing would guarantee deportation in NY. Also breaking the class rules on the ship would ensure their deportation back to Europe so crossing into the other classes simply wasn’t done. Most of the passengers who were woken definitely would’ve waited in their sections for instruction. A few brave groups did break these rules. A few crew members actually did help some large groups up to the boat deck. Also the night was cold. Lower deck/inside rooms on any ship will not hear or see any outside noises and… again, no alarms. Many testified to a surprising lack of passengers outside on the deck. I think a lot people were simply complacent enough to stay inside and wait for instructions. Only about 400 bodies were recovered, leading me to believe that many people died inside of the ship. I’m sure many of these forgotten passengers actually stayed in bed until it was too late.

[@JessicaHamilton-ni9vf]

I have a few questions about the game, if you wouldn't mind. When the game finishes development, will it be available on Steam, and if so, how much would it cost? Also, when you get to the sinking, will you be able to roam around the ship?

[@WhiteArrow76]

I've seen a few sources noting that the gates at the top landing of the aft Third Class staircase may have been intended to keep passengers off the open decks at night.

[@kevinhoward9593]

Cunard still using class separation. Balcony passengers will never dine with people with inside cabins.

[@ironhell813]

Of course. They always do this and they would have done it until it was apparent the titanic was foundering and then they wouldn’t have bothered to open the gates.

[@Sabrinajaine]

Not if they're Britannia balconies.

[@Dimension2010]

Wow, such unfairness, must protest.

[@jamesscott7862]

That's not true. As a Cunard traveller myself 90% of passengers dine in the Britannia restaurant which includes the vast majority of balcony cabins. You can upgrade to Princess grill or Queens grill which does have a separate restaurant. Cunard is one of the most inclusive ships afloat with over 90% of spaces open to everyone no matter what class of passenger. Many of the other cruise lines have spaces within ships where passengers who pay more have their own private areas, deck spaces and bars. Looking at you Royal Caribbean and Celebrity. You clearly have not travelled on Cunard hence the ridiculous statement you have made.

[@salland12]

Well call me pretentious but i'am willing to pay more just to not sit with gigantic manner less families who are most of the times just complaining screaming and making allot of racket.

[@the_lost_navigator]

"All Animals are equal. Some more than others." That's Life. And Death... Respect

[@fmyoung]

George Orwell "Animal Farm"

[@WhatALoadOfTosca]

Another great video. Any update on the alpha??

[@ChrisJensen-se9rj]

This story is the product of the journalism of the day. Because of the "media blackout" that "Carpathia's" Cpt. Rostron imposed, many of these newspapers simply made up the story as they went along. It sold newspapers and that was the sole reason. Additionally, when "Carpathia" finally docked at New York, the journalists present treated everything that came out of the mouths of first class passengers as "the whole truth", and they basically ignored anything either corroborative or in disagreement that second and third class passengers might have had to say. Even Walter Lord comments on this, with papers like "The Evening Standard" running a "banner headline", "All saved from Titanic after collision". Many of the misunderstandings any plain falsehoods that emerged have stayed in place to this day

[@JohnBristol97]

The 97 film has many, many problems. In addition to the gate myth, which the 96 miniseries also perpetuated, they both showed Murdoch shooting passengers then himself. Another big error in the two and to a lesser extent A Night To Remember is Ismay being portrayed as some sort of mustache twirling villain only concerned with making money. It couldn’t be further from the truth!

[@EDITZOWNEDBYL0L0]

Does any body know where the second clip is from?

[@Sabrinajaine]

When you say that some stewards did keep third class passengers below decks, presumably they intended on letting them up at some point - is this where the idea comes from that first class would go first in the boats, then it would be their turn? (Something the Irish mother explains to her kids while she's waiting at a locked gate in the 97 film)

[@crixxxxxxxxx]

James Cameron endeavored to get so many details about the Titanic correct in his film, yet made up this scenario to villainize the Titanic’s crew and class separation protocols.

[@shaynewheeler9249]

😢😢😢😢 0:24

[@mashy712]

James Cameron wanted some fiction on top of facts. The gates were used to dramatize the movie.

[@shaynewheeler9249]

Inside out 2 anxiety

[@ironhell813]

Wasn’t much different, but THG isn’t any different: They’re still using the vertical stern theory used in his movie and it’s wrong. Also there were likely gates blocking Scotland road that weren’t mentioned

[@IsaacCline-ru7ls]

@@ironhell813 Cameron used aspects of various survivor accounts to tell the story - Charles Lightoller 1936 BBC Radio: "Slowly she reared up on end until she was absolutely perpendicular" Also, keep in mind there's about 50 assertions on how Titanic "really" sank - with new ones coming out every couple of years. However one person believes it really went down, another person can easily debunk.

[@mikemancini313]

Unfortunately, Titanic did not have a proper emergency alarm system like Britannic did.

[@fmyoung]

That's right and I think that was only because of the Titanic's sinking and the demand for more safety at sea from the inquiries on both sides of the pond Sen Smith seemed more emphatic about that than Lord Mersey he flatly demanded lifeboats for all "Period"

[@mikemancini313]

@ Yes. emergency alarm systems are very effective at sea. A prime example of its effectiveness was seen in the sinking of the SS Daniel J. Morrell which was put into service in 1906 at a time when no emergency alarm systems existed. In fact, her emergency alarm system was very influential and helped the ship’s lone survivor make it through the night without dying from the cold after the ship broke in two.

[@ironhell813]

@@mikemancini313not influential enough to make it on the biggest ship in existence at the time

[@mikemancini313]

@@ironhell813 Ore freighters on the Great Lakes aren’t meant to be the largest in the world. Even today. It’s impractical for vessels that need to transport ore and other materials through certain size canals, etc to try a break size records. They would have trouble transversing the Great Lakes. They can be quite profitable if they can transverse both the Atlantic Ocean and the Great Lakes.

[@ironhell813]

@@mikemancini313 I wasn’t saying that, I was saying the titanic didn’t have one but you know that you’re just deflecting. You sound like an AI or an uneducated kid the way you try to use generalized knowledge to sound smart

[@asylumlover]

IN MEMORIAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND ONCE AGAIN, LONG LIVE TITANIC HONOR AND GLORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@padraigpearse1551]

Thats a very unfortunate angle for that sign @9:40

[@JKS62B50]

I wish a whole THG team and viewers a Merry Christmas and a happy new year...

[@fmyoung]

Same to you JKS62B50 and everyone and a fun fact about next year we're already going to be 1/4 of the way into the new century

[@dz734875]

Very insightful. The thing that always sticks out to me is how quickly the disaster unfolded. Because we have the benefit many accounts to go through we have a distorted perception of how the event would have been experienced by those living through it. It probably felt like it occurred in the blink of an eye filled with confusion. It’s really understandable with so little established protocols that it ended up in a situation where simple (from a modern perspective) logistics caused such a disparate result that sprung the legend of the gates as a shorthand for a more complicated reality.

[@mikeeb290]

That’s crazy- when will the game be released?

[@manus605]

When the universe reaches maximum entropy.

[@giovannirastrelli9821]

James Cameron didn’t start the locked gates myth, but he helped exaggerate it even more and popularize it to the point of becoming “common knowledge.”

[@karensmith1158]

Added to this difficulty was non-English speaking passengers confused by directions given in English.

[@SQUAREHEADSAM1912]

Wasn’t there one additional gate on F deck stairs separating the alternate second/third cabins on G deck? Could’ve sworn I’ve seen it on the THG plans. (Maybe outdated idk) But considering that area was used as third class that whole voyage it wouldn’t have even been closed anyways. Not to forget the second class aft staircase went down there too and that didn’t have a at gate, just a sign.

[@ironhell813]

There also was a massive gate separating Scotland road so the aft staircase wouldn’t have been accessible. The narrator might have been pretty thorough, but not thorough enough. The narrator admits that crew were instructed to block in the focsle, with the according gates over the Scotland road they only had the foreman’s escape hatch and they wouldn’t have known where it was. Couple that with the stewards blocking access to the Scotland road forward and the master at arms being there doing it and the doors admissions being locked they didn’t have a chance. The fact they had so many gates was indicative of a deliberate separation policy.

[@SQUAREHEADSAM1912]

@ I don’t think it was an intentional thing to deny access to safety. More of a overwhelming thing where the more minor things were forgotten about, like third class. It was more accidental neglect then intentional mistreatment. I have NEVER seen any sources show a gate in or around Scotland road other then the ones in the dining saloon.

[@Echo4Sierra4160]

The gates were waist high and didn't lock

[@Boypogikami132]

1:00 wheres the mesh

[@lucianf89]

If we were to hypothetically recreate the circumstances of the Titanic disaster, where third class passengers faced disproportionately low chances of survival due to "neglect" and lack of assistance from crew members, how might we as a modern society respond? Would we ensure a more equitable outcome in such a crisis? Or do ingrained social hierarchies and biases still persist, leaving the likelihood of survival for third class passengers low even in a modern day scenario?

[@fgdfhdhjd7776]

I hope it comes to steam.

[@sn4rff]

❤❤❤

[@Wild_Card69]

Ah, yes, the *true* villain of the disaster has finally been revealed: Doors... and lack of hindsight.

[@ironhell813]

He didn’t mention many but the doors on Scotland road being locked would have prevented the use of the aft stairs.

[@bluedog373]

When will have the tech to place Al generated humans in your projects. It's lonely wandering about these ships on the computer. Hoping you can do something on the SS United States.

[@IcarusLhooq-bc7uq]

how else do you explain the percentages of survivors by class ?

[@d_ruggs]

I'm confused about what this channel is, are you still making a game?

[@manus605]

Good question and I think the answer is surfacing after more than 10 years of nothing substantial...

[@jacobmassey3897]

The gates were never actually locked. The third class passengers who survived confirmed that they found their way up on deck purely by chance because of the maze of corridors that made up the third class section of the ship. Third class were told they'd have to wait but they were certainly not caged in like animals.

[@richardenglish-g2o]

Ok but it's honour

[@davinp]

If a third class passenger didn't speak English, they couldn't ask for help to get up to the boat deck and were less likely to survive the sinking

[@augiegirl1]

THANK YOU!! Your comment is the first one to mention that the language barrier was likely the main reason that the majority of 3rd class passengers died. I was really disappointed that the video didn't state this fact.

[@athenathegreatandpowerful6365]

One question I'd like to know the answer to - how many people watching this today have been on a manually operated elevator. And your age. A real one rather than one recreated from the concept.

[@visionist7]

If you mean one with manually opening doors, practically everyone here in Italy as all apartment buildings have them. If you mean one where you have to use a controller and stop the car manually at the right floor, they're only seen in industrial settings

[@athenathegreatandpowerful6365]

@visionist7 thank you. I'm talking about the ones with a manual crank in an apartment block ie close the outside doors by hand, close the cage door and then turn the crank to the floor you need. A bit frightening the first time you use one but actually nicer than the fully automatic ones.

[@visionist7]

@@athenathegreatandpowerful6365 some of ours have a coin slot you have to put money in to make the car move. Not a way for the building owners to ingratiate themselves to the users lol. I haven't seen as many lately though.

[@nancyl6985]

They had them at the I Magnin store in San Francisco, they were operated by female employees, but as we rarely shopped there, I wouldn't know how to operate them.

[@isaachoward8766]

The divide between rich and poor still happens today, more than 100 years after Titanic, we have made progress with everything, technology ship air travel the internet, but this one thing still remains today is the class divide take the UK for e.g. working-class 3ed class on titanic middle-class 2ed class on titanic 1st class the rich and the elite like the royal family football player and most MPs

[@clairefunnell8481]

I read somwhete that the 3rd class passengers were just there to fill up the empty spaces on the ship. Interesting video. I love Titanic, im a big Titanic nerd. Hi from Toronto Canada 🍁 ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@ironhell813]

Yes especially the forward cargo decks which were largely where most of the deaths occurred

[@davinp]

James Cameron's movie is wrong. Not all the gates were closed and locked, trapping third class down below deck. The gates could be open in an emergency. Also, some gates that were closed may not have been locked and there were probably some gates that were open

[@ironhell813]

It wasn’t much wrong: most crew believed until an hr after the hit that the ship was fine and wouldn’t have unlocked them because it was midnight

[@IsaacCline-ru7ls]

Try watching the movie again - not *all* gates are locked.

[@Richardsonprincess00]

No wonder third class passengers ended up dead in the bottom of the area for third class passengers only.

[@Randomstuffs261]

?

[@Richardsonprincess00]

@Randomstuffs261 without knowing the direction on the boat deck, which they ended up staying down after both first and second classes passengers went off the ship safety, knowing it was too late for third class passengers only know of their fate.

[@sifridbassoon]

Considering that none of the bodies has ever been found, the location of the third class bodies can be nothing but a supposition.

[@shaynewheeler9249]

Inside out 2 anxiety

[@egm8602]

Hmmm...using Bostwick Gates to keep second class restricted away from first class has the same exact effect as keeping third class restricted from first class. In fact, having only enough lifeboats to accommodate first class (plus the officers) and adding doors, gates and mazes as restrictions to keep anyone except first class away from the boat deck where the lifeboats were stored worked amazingly well at creating a situation where Bruce Ismay could claim there was space for him in a lifeboat.

[@1993digifan]

You do know that it was LAW of the time that ships only "needed" 16 lifeboats (so Titanic had MORE boats than legally required when you add the 4 Collapsibles, one of which Ismay left on the second to LAST to launch when that part of the Boat Deck had about 7 minutes left)? Or that the 2nd Class ALSO had access to the Boat Deck? Or that over 100 1st Class passengers died? Or that the majority of the people in boat C were 3rd class? Oh, wait, you clearly don't.

[@DonaldMassey-c2i]

Like everyone else I loved the movie as a romantic tragedy, then I realized they did allow blacks, then it became a romantic comedy.

[@arizonaidiot1250]

Why do these narrators always sound like disembodied corpses? 🤔

[@DSGNflorian]

Excellent choice of topic. Even though some authors (starting with Walter Lord in the 1950s) have done some good work debunking some of the fairytales and fabrications that have been crafted to slant the narrative of the Titanic disaster, KZbin University will probably eventually prove most effective against the perpetuation of some of this nonsense. This one is a favorite of the smug "virtue signaling" crowd, who love to symbolically condemn the long dead class discriminators and oppressors of the past while it's really just about "look at meeee I'm so much better, yay for me!". Or it is simply crass, commercial exploitation of a false narrative to make more money because it "makes the story better". As if there was any point to criticizing real or imagined "wrong values" that former generations supposedly lived by. Suggestion for another topic along the lines of debunking false or slanted narratives: Bruce Ismay.

[@Perich29]

was 3rd class passengers being treated like Prison inmates, its not like they comitted any crimes.

[@campionpesate4647]

No they was not. It's an exaggeration in movies.

[@IsaacCline-ru7ls]

Shame on Walter Lord - Shame on A Night to Remember - Mr. Lord, his book, and the film should have never put this into the public's psyche!

[@BoazTheHungry]

To be honest God had to prove he can sink the Titanic.

[@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY]

With God, all things are possible.

[@fmyoung]

And God decided to put an iceberg on the Titanic's path

[@BoazTheHungry]

Exactly.

[@sheismymom]

You forgot to mention the gates that kept the 3rd class from getting to the upper decks like in the 1997 Titanic movie Jack and Rose.

[@wesleyhalbakken6053]

Historians say that no passenger even on other ships during that time we’re locked down like that. They may have been kept from getting up to the boat deck from their corresponding promenade, but every single passenger on a ship like the titanic, had 24/7 access to their corresponding stairwell no matter what class you were in.

[@MortenGallagher-x7s]

The whole video was just that, debunking the gate myth that was propagated in the 97 movie with those 2 fictional characters.

[@fmyoung]

This whole video is about putting all of that to rest

[@nathanviebranz9111]

You completely missed the point of this video.