Creationists Behaving Badly: Ken Ham

[@hydraph4843]

Kind of sad that a channel that focuses on science has to discuss culture wars, extremism and intolerance but I definitely agree that it is important to bring up

[@johnburn8031]

Every time I think of Ken Ham, I think of: Ham and eggs 🎶 Ham and eggs 🎶 Flip em 🎵 flop em 🎵 Flip em 🎵 flop em 🎵 Ham and eggs 🎶

[@johnburn8031]

Now I am hungry. I think I will have a bacon, fried egg, cheese, and HP sauce sandwiches, with a nice cup of Irish coffee. 🙋🏻‍♂️😋

[@pogostix6097]

"If you accept some evolution, you accept ALL evolution" Me: **looks at the Ark Encounter** Interesting.

[@tardigrade8019]

It's why they try so hard to say it's not evolution.

[@adamboyen4727]

Lol, don't forget the apparent "microevolution" "macroevolution" distinction Creationists are great at being hypocrites

[@robsquared2]

"You can still find his videos on rumble," is a statement that never leads to anything good.

[@slothape]

He can go join Andrew Tate

[@thylacoleonkennedy7]

As a member of the LGBT community the situation in the U.S. just fills me with dread. Thank you for putting this message out and for showing your support.

[@jongarner8073]

Being gay is biologically wrong, you cant say you understand biology and be gay or trans because being a male or female has a scientific biological reason for reproducing lol this is common knowledge that LGBTQ denies willingly, it says in the bible in the last of days people will be willingly ignorant , where's the h for heterosexual in LGBTQ????? Where tf are my rights

[@jmz8210]

​@@jongarner8073 What exactly is immoral with two consenting adults being in a relationship? How does that involve you? People should have the freedom of choice and not have other people's ideologies interfere with that. If you want to abide by certain ideologies, you have that freedom to, which is great. That's an opportunity everyone should have. Yet shoving one's ideologies down people's throats because that's what you've been raised in is not okay. We're in a country where we are a boiling pot of different religions, culture, mindsets, etc. Stay in your lane.

[@hope1575]

​@jongarner8073 oh really? Because immoral bigotry against queer people has certainly been normalized in our society.

[@pmtoner9852]

Stay strong, friend

[@the-nick-of-time]

I don't think creationists will accept your evidence that those two people are the same, they don't accept shared -gene- word sequences as evidence of common ancestry.

[@imrastar7055]

I’m actually an example that demonstrates Ken Ham’s point about so-called “young-earth evolutionists”. I was taught by and knew some of the people in that group like Marcus Ross, Todd Wood, and Kurt Wise, and agreed with their way of approaching YEC, and now I’ve realized how impossible YEC actually is and am an agnostic who fully accepts evolution and an old earth, lol. However, I do think there’s a world where the “young-earth evolutionist” approach would have allowed me to hold onto YEC longer because it provides more flexibility when you encounter the evidence against it or for evolution, since it allows for areas where YEC doesn’t have the answers or evolution does fit the data without that meaning YEC is wrong. I don’t know, I think it honestly depends on the person and other life circumstances and events which it could be. I’ll also say that unfortunately with how things are right now, I’m worried the culture war angle AiG is taking is actually designed to pull more people in because of how many on the right are just escalating these extremist views. Now AiG can appeal to those people who were on the fence about YEC and trace all of the “woke” culture war issues to acceptance of evolution. Hopefully I’m just being pessimistic though.

[@CreationMyths]

Thank you for the very insightful comment. I think you’re on to something in that second paragraph.

[@LDrosophila]

Out of curioisty, was there any evidence or information thay you found most compelling about an old earth/evolution?

[@imrastar7055]

@@LDrosophila The evidence I thought was most convincing was the amount of heat that would be produced by a literal Noah’s flood, as well as the rapid speciation that would have had to have happened to go from the “kinds” on Noah’s ark to the number of species we see today in just a few thousand years. Though those were most convincing after I had already mostly let go of my belief in YEC. One of the things that actually got me to start questioning, though it’s not one commonly used and I probably only encountered it because I’m a biology grad student, was genetic evidence for the endosymbiotic theory. Specifically evidence of genes transferred from plastid genomes to the host nuclear genome and the development of targeting signals to plastids. Since I was told that endosymbiosis was impossible (and therefore YEC was true) because it was too complicated for genes to be transferred from the mitochondrial genome to the nucleus while simultaneously needing to develop a system to target the proteins back to the mitochondria, seeing evidence that it was very possible and had actually happened definitely made me start to think that evolution made a lot of sense.

[@laurajarrell6187]

CM,Really great research. ken hamm does a whole slew of books for home schooling, too. He's dangerous. 👍💙💖🥰✌

[@jamesdownard1510]

A historical note: the Kulturkampf obsessions of Ham etc have been standard fare in creationist apologetics since the Falwell 1970s. The degree to which it bubbles up to the front varies, but schisms in antievolutionist groups as camps seek doctrinal purity goes way back, all the way to British creationism of the 1930s.

[@greenfloatingtoad]

The kulturkampf issues are also historically tied to antisemitism. For example the Nazis portrayed Magnus Hirschfeld's work in the institut fur sexuellewissenschaft as a Jewish conspiracy to undermine Germany through spreading homosexuality In reality Hirschfeld was a psychotherapist who got tired of his queer patients killing themselves

[@dib737]

Keep up the good work, Dan!

[@reynard61]

Yes, Dan, the Culture War-ism that White Christian Nationalist Evangelicalism is currently immersed in is entirely the point. That Ken Ham has joined them was pretty much inevitable given that they both now share a fascist -- or at least fascism-adjacent -- (as you said) "My way or the highway!" approach to who is part of their in-group and who is the out-group.

[@derekhenrich8099]

Great detective work 🕵️

[@TheseNuts2]

Evidence of a conspiracy? Almost forgot it was allowed on KZbin. Ken Ham is like a mafia boss sending internet goons.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

« Accept some evolution, accept all of it » how ironic from AIG who does accept some evolution and even rely in it to reduce the numbers of kind on the Ark.

[@davidw.9508]

I guess AIG is running out of new sheep to herd by regular means, so they need to double down and ensure they get the more extreme part of their potential clientel that they tried to distance themself from before.

[@Nepycros]

Exactly right. When you think about it, "evolution v creation" WAS a culture war topic 2 decades ago, which is like a millennium in Internet time. The fact that YEC's are trying to "catch up" to the modern culture war environment definitely shows they're seeing how sparsely populated their little enclave is. This is the "coalition building" step where they try and recruit allies. They'll only get extreme with time because they aren't picky about where they get adherents from.

[@vestafreyja]

Carl Jung has an interesting take on the death of religions as they are in their final stages they tend to become more extreme or radicalized as they try to remain in power or relevant in society. Look at what is happening in the USA. Over turning of Roe vs Wade. January 6 2001, SCOTUS and the rise of Christian Nationalism and their head long drive to turn the USA into a theocracy Liberty and Freedom for all as long as you have drunk the Kool aid.

[@LDrosophila]

This makes more sense no way they can keep that arc full!

[@jongarner8073]

His honor comes from bashing people to make them look stupid, and the way he does it says a lot about him, this guy wouldn't be caught alive around my domain

[@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv]

Is that a death thread?

[@jongarner8073]

@@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv sure

[@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv]

@@jongarner8073 Who is it that you threatening, Ken Ham or Dr Dan? It was not clear, even before that answer. I suspect the latter since you don't like him. Now if it was Kent Hovind than even YECs might say that about him.

[@veridicusmaximus6010]

You don't need any help looking stupid. You have done that all on your own.

[@galenseilis5971]

6:26 "Emory Moynagh" looks like it could be a anagram for something.

[@AtheistRex]

They definitely share their culture war views with flat earthers.

[@jeremy472]

As a creationist, I actually agree with the larger take. The culture war posting is just mud slinging for clicks. It waters down their brand as a science ministry. This has potential to narrow his audience and stop from gaining a new base of any kind. As for Emory, if he breaks the law by calling for violence, then AiG should(and I believe would) let him go. It doesn't seem like thats the case right now, but I would keep tabs on him if his blog crosses that line.

[@hivizpies]

"if he breaks the law by calling for violence, then AiG should(and I believe would) let him go." I believe you are in fact a sincere creationist because of the 'and I believe would' part of your sentence as I quote it above. After all, the evidence, the overwhelming evidence, is that MANY churches have kept people after calls for violence. Swap out 'calling for violence' for 'committing fraud', or 'child abuse', or 'breaking any or all of the 10 commandments', or or or and churches have not only kept them, but defended them, supported them, enriched them etc. Over and over and over and over and .... and over again. But you absolutely don't see that evidence, let alone would be anywhere near convinced by it, you creationist you, if you did. I'd be willing to bet. Do I win that bet? Also, what 'waters down their brand as a science' anything is the anti-science they universally use and display.

[@sampagano205]

I think the antisemitism alone should justify severing ties.

[@cammyleigh]

Holy… this is surreal. I knew Harry in high school, went to an IFB youth group with him, and attended the same undergrad at Pensacola Christian College. Harry is *not* a pseudonym, that is his real, full name. His brother, Jeremy, also contributes to his blog. They were considered extreme even in our extremist youth group. He has not changed in the 32 years he’s been on this earth-he still even cuts his own hair and wears his collared shirts fully buttoned up with a crew cut white t-shirt underneath. Amazing.

[@nebulan]

Where you heard that the name is a pseudonym, it might have been Joel Duff. He's be doing a lot of sleuthing.

[@CreationMyths]

I think you're probably right.

[@command.cyborg]

Preemptive Like 👍

[@MrDeadhead1952]

I thought it was AIG's version of 'Alan Smithee'.

[@platylobiumobtuseangulum1607]

Here Via PZ Myers. Thanks for this. Have we worked out who this pseudonymous extremist actually is? Any hints to find that out?

[@CreationMyths]

I'm still trying to figure this out. Found a Twitter account that isn't holding back. What I really wonder is how much of this AiG already knew.

[@alexvlk]

Harry (beard) F (from) Sanders (Colonel Sanders: Kentucky)

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

Stopped by to leave a comment in case I didn't last time. After all, ya gotta keep the ever-voracious Almighty Algorithm fed, eh?

[@TheseNuts2]

"Reality"

[@jaredgreen2363]

DoN’t You dArE aCcEpT aNy EvOlUtIoN…. Says the guy who stipulates impossibly high speciation rates after the flood.

[@CmdrRob]

Hi Dan! Please don't see this as a criticism of your video, but I find myself unconvinced at the hinging argument of this. Are Harry and Emory the same person? How do we know that? In the video I've heard you say that you seem to remember hearing that it's a pseudonym, but hearsay is hardly evidence (although I think it's a weird thing in American law). You also say you're 'convinced that' this is the case, and I'd really like to know why you're convinced of this. Anyone can copy an article, so I'm not sure I follow along with the 'same person' hypothesis, per se. I've been trying to get into the 'be critical of everything' mindset, and I thought maybe you'd welcome my question on the topic. That being said, I've not been in this sphere for long, and maybe there's data that was previously spoken about that I missed or maybe I'm not as inside baseball on this as some are. (Is that a sensible thing to say? I'm not a native English speaker.) Again, I don't mean to be overly critical, it just seemed to me that most of the argument made in this video hinged on those pseudonyms belonging to the same person and I couldn't find the supporting arguments in the video to go with this (other than the text being copied, which anyone could have done). Sorry if I missed anything! Also, in case this isn't abundantly clear, and it really should be to everyone, this 'culture war' thing is distasteful at best and I'm happy to consider myself amongst those living in countries where there's less of it.

[@CreationMyths]

Lemme put it this way: KZbin has rules against doxxing, and I'm being careful to not run afoul of those rules here. Suffice it to say I have information that I'm not sharing for that reason, but that makes the conclusion extremely clear.

[@CmdrRob]

@@CreationMyths Roger that, sir. Thank you for being considerate with even them. And thank you for your reply! I just stumbled across this channel through Gibbon's, and I wasn't sure if I could pose questions like this without sounding hostile, which I have no intention of being. Keep doing what you're doing. 😁

[@TheseNuts2]

Every era, they try to find some fake outrage. Click baiting pretty much.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

Just stopped by to say I adore the little owl you're using for your picture! ❤❤

[@TheseNuts2]

@@MaryAnnNytowl Thank you very much :)

[@aodhfyn2429]

Did you change your mike? It sounds like more high notes are coming through, and fewer low notes.

[@CreationMyths]

Hmmm, no change, but I have to process the audio to remove background noise, because I'm in my basement, so there's a water heater that runs sometimes, that probably affects it a bit video to video.

[@aodhfyn2429]

@@CreationMyths that makes sense.

[@RCGamex]

AIG gets wore every time o heard about it…

[@SteverenoOFFICIAL]

Nice sleuthing. Ham & Eggs are despicable.

[@EdwardHowton]

It's not all bad; at least some of the reduced viewership numbers are self-inflicted victims of science denialism during a pandemic. It's just a shame it isn't more and that viruses are indiscriminate. Or that it hasn't dealt with the ringleader.

[@Jameski07]

we as Christians believe as the bible has foretold, will be persecuted by man for all times. Your video suggests just that.

[@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv]

You made up nonsense. Christians run the USA. They persecute non believers. They want to force their religion into the public school system. Which is a violation of the first amendment.

[@jongarner8073]

Just like it says in the BIBLE

[@ethelredhardrede1838]

Oh like genocide and slavery or OK then.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

Which version? What about parts that were taken out? What about parts proven to be fake which were put in later? And which version of the creation story, for that matter? You religidiots are all the same.

[@jongarner8073]

Jesus loves you

[@ethelredhardrede1838]

Dead men do exactly nothing. The Bible was quite clear that Jesus was supposed to return on a cloud within the lifetime of some of those living then. Including the High Priest. All dead, Jesus included.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

He did am excellent job on the neighbor's lawn last week, too.

[@Jameski07]

@@ethelredhardrede1838 an attempt was made.

[@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv]

@@Jameski07 Context, produce some. Otherwise you are admitting that your imaginary god is neither all powerful nor all knowing. So far the god of the Bible behaves exactly like its imaginary.

[@jongarner8073]

Read the book of revelation and Daniel it talks about what's going on in the actual world, not what's in the science textbooks

[@ethelredhardrede1838]

It talks about silly nonsense that people have seen as happening in their time for over a 1000 years. All of those that think like you over the centuries have been wrong. You are too.

[@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279]

​@@ethelredhardrede1838exactly 💯% correct but the idiots will never see it because it's all about how special they are.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

It's the ravings of a guy high on his own supply, LOL!

[@jongarner8073]

@ethelredhardrede1838 your the fool and you don't even know it, that's being a fool on a whole other level

[@jongarner8073]

@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279 it's God's supply not mine or yours OK. Second of all I'm not the one who believes that we evolved from monkeys, evolution teaches that some races are more evolved than others, Hitler believed in evolution

[@qazhr]

Dan umm in culture war aspect ken ham is more right then your willing to admit but I recommend people like dev , the lotus eaters , the liberal hive mind and Tim pool so that you can see the faults of left without falling on christens are bad excuse of not engaging with it.

[@CreationMyths]

Man take a hike with that whataboutism. Nobody on the left is calling their political adversaries parasites that need to be eradicated. What you're doing here is blowing smoke, and we're not about that lazy kind of engagement here. If you have an *actual* defense of Ham and Sanders, not just "but the LEFT", by all means, go for it.

[@qazhr]

@@CreationMyths oh thanks for showing your bubble and the fact you ignored half my post giving you some non Christian people who say a lot of same things.

[@LDrosophila]

​@@CreationMyths Here here and Tim Pool, really?

[@qazhr]

@@CreationMyths Dan they have with men , whites and republicans. You sound like your ok kids innocent being lost, diversity over skill, the disaster that San Francisco, New York and Chicago and everything. Ken ham might be extreme but you dismiss it wholesale and I think you need to talk lotus eater group to get the real thoughts on what going on instead of just the left and crazy people

[@fnln3011]

Imagine unironically recommending Tim Pool