Good stuff 😎👍 Imagine, an antievolutionist organisation being wrong by not doing proper research! It's got to be virtually unheard of 🤦🤣

Many good comments on church history, but some inaccuracies. Christians long before Ussher were dating the creation using the OT genealogies to a few thousand years before Christ. Byzantine historians would date things since the creation of the world. Also, the inspiration of scripture has been mainstream throughout history even if the meaning of inspiration was not agreed upon (much less the canon).

I would suggest asking the YEC crowd to “let go” of their beliefs that they hold so tightly. The act of kenosis, emptying oneself, as demonstrated by Christ, is what got me out of the YEC ideological possession.

I read in an old history book that Christopher Columbus knew the world was round, but he thought that it was smaller because God wouldn't make the world with so much water instead of land.

As he certainly will not apply a neutral test of probability to all testable hypotheses he's talking about, it's literally a weaponized "Argument from personal incredulity" he suggests there. If you FEEL it's not credible it's a conspiracy???

Another case of a creationist using the eyeballing technique only giving it a fancy name intuitive.

This video was so long, @ScienceSideUp grew a beard!

"We'll watch it, Rob, we're ALWAYS watching!" 😆 I love these pedantic nerds so much! Keeping pseudoscientists and disinformers accountable! ❤

If Dr Maddie didn't mention DnD I would assume she is going to a stoning

KZbin didn't do it automatically but the chapter marker Dan wants to put in is 16:45.

If you believe in magic, sky fairies, and magical books, my advice is to grow up. There ain't no Santy, tooth fairies, free will , or gods except in the minds of many deluded folks.

Love that element around 1:45:00 about teleological thinking. It's something I'd noticed for a little while now that conspiracy theories and theology have in common that they think all events are the product of intent by some conscious agent. I needed to hear that.

1:51:48 He keeps saying "you can't have a conspiracy believed by millions of people" but he then goes on to talk about how many people would have to be IN on it, how can he confuse believing in a conspiracy theory with being a PART of the conspiracy?? 😂

1:43:50 he claims "we know" x, y, z scientific facts that would enable us to reach the moon. No, he doesn't know those things. He can't know them if the historical/observational science divide exists in the way he needs it to. If all science is pure speculation beyond direct eye witness testimony and we can't be certain the fundamental physics of the universe don't just change when we aren't looking then we can't extrapolate into the past OR the future. We don't know that all our "observational" science isn't going to be totally invalid tomorrow. Can he see the future?? Their attempts to pick and choose what counts as science do not work in practice. It's just typical anti-science deception to hide the one and only criteria that matters to them; science must conform to their faith based beliefs. On a slightly more positive note: wouldn't it be interesting to see a prominent YECist and a prominent "evolutionist" team up to produce some content on debunking popular secular psuedo-science? There's clearly plenty of common ground between Carter's advised approach to stuff like moon landing denial and the approach I'd expect anyone on this panel to take. I wonder what (if any) disagreements would appear if creationism was not being questioned at all and Carter wasn't feeling under pressure to do the cognitive dissonance dance?

Three words for this creationist: pot, kettle and black.

Everyone knows that only a few hundred professors with grant money and youtubers believe in evolution.

Its true that the Bible teaches that the earth is flat. But the Church fathers (with the exception of Lactantius) did universally accept Greek science, that the earth was round (and the center of the solar system).

Its not true that Ussher invented the idea that the earth is 6000 years old. Church fathers like Augustine said the earth was approximately 6000 years old in order to mock the contemporary Greek belief that the universe was eternal.

I wouldn’t have asked if creationism is a “conspiracy”, I would have asked if it was a “conspiracy theory”. These things seem confused to me.

LOL @ great value version of the Bible. @1:24:58

Pet peeve: when people use "conspiracy" as short for "conspiracy theory."

Are there any studies that break down the young earth community? Guessing some don't have a cause to know better, nothing in their life knowingly depends on young earth being true or false. Some are too stubborn to know better, like folks that are driven by emotional ties to the community, or emotional reactions to outsiders. Some portion have to know better, but can't handle what they would loose by leaving the community.

tricarboxylic acid cycle is so much more awesome than citric acid cycle though

Ta folks

1:51:33 watching later. I’m having a great time. I love hearing the tangents and the banter. Thank you all!

Usher, 10,000 years. Not sure who to blame for 6,000. It's useful to note the Lord Kalvin, the creationist scientist who first calculated the age of or the based on thermodynamics, a comtemporary of Darwin, was thrilled to get a date of 10 million to 200 million because he thought that evolution couldn't happen that fast. Of course once we factor in nuclear decay the age shoots up to billions of years. So his science with more facts kills YEC.

Those _comments_ were... chef's kiss. Just immaculate. This whole thing, as soon as I heard what the topic was, I was *STRAPPED. IN. for shenanigans* like oh boy.

A question for Maddie: how hard would you say it would be for a faked moon landing to be hidden from you specially? Secondary: what about a flat earth? What would it take to "fool you" into thinking the earth is a sphere if it were actually flat?

1:13:39: I think Dan stopped a minute ago at the point where Rob mentioned doubting the old age of the Earth and you three missed it.

I wish you guys would be consistent when referring to conspiracies versus conspiracy theories. Evolutionism is the proposed conspiracy, Creationism is the proposer of the conspiracy theory. Biology is the innocent and maligned science.

I find it pretty annoying that the panel interrupts or talk over each other constantly. let someone speak, we don't need to hear your affirmation of it...

First law of Creationists: A Creationists quote always contradict the creationists' claim, no exception. Stolen with pride from McToon, when talking about flat earthers.

Dropped over to CMI's video. The flerfs are coming out of the woodwork over there.

27:15 "allegorical interpretetations" of specifically the six creation days have since the dawn of the Church been about history after Adam fell, not about the creation event as such. I have updated that allegorical view by stating there are overall _eight_ creation days, of the old and of the new creation. Jesus came the sixth millennium because Good Friday and Day Six are about man (creation and restauration). Jesus will likely come back in the eighth millennium (already ongoing), since He came back among His disciples on the eighth day, the repeat of the first day. That's what "allegory" is about, not about denying the historicity of the six days themselves!

26:51 He just defined Geostasis as Christian orthodoxy ...

I was never activated when I was a YEC. But I see the connection.

Who's gonna listen through hours and hours of this? Hi! That'd be me 😂 I love this content for when I'm doing something that doesn't require total focus. I love when members of the science friends do big streams together. Entertaining and informative, love love love it

The moon landing was faked but the director insisted on shooting on location

At 2:22:21 - This comment shows up the most important point I believe conspiracy theorists have missed and really need to have drummed into their heads! That point is this: A moment worth of critical thinking will tell you that the vast number of conspiracy theorys, in politics especially, *must* be false! Why? Because the number of people sitting at computers "just asking questions" on the internet far outnumbers the number of people working for governments in positions that would allow them to actually start a real conspiracy! There are at most a few tens of thousands of people who could start real conspiracies, whereas there are billions of people with access to the internet and the ability to make sh1t up. When you think about the percentage of people in the first group who really do start real conspiracies (and we know there actually *are* such people) and the percentage of people in the second group who actually do "just ask questions", rather than, say, spend their whole internet time watching cat videos, those percentages are probably roughly equal, but even if the percentage of people who "just ask questions" was two orders of magnitude lower than the percentage of people working in governments who could conspire and actually do that would still mean that people inventing false conspiracies outnumber people who actually conspire by 1000 to 1!!! So therefor, if you have no other information, the chances of your favorite conspiracy being false has to be incredibly low and it *cannot* be true that most conspiracies, political or otherwise, are true. Really the only time you should take a conspiracy theory seriously is after it has been published in newspapers of record or by a *serious* TV news organisation with a reputation for telling the truth that they would not like to lose, and an active fact checking department. For avoidance of doubt this means exactly the organisactions most conspiracy theorists hate, and top of the list of organisations you *should* take seriously if they publish something on conspiracies are: The Guardian newspaper, The BBC, and CNN.

Thanks Dr. Dan (and everyone else)!

Great great episode

Astronomy is “observational science”, because photons from stars are literally hitting your retina.

Oh yes, the Van Allen belt (not to be confused with the Van Halen belt) is a completely impassable barrier. I mean, the astronauts recieved up to 1.2 REM passing through the Van Allen belt, and that's like 100 times less than the dose required for Acute Radiation Syndrome... (Or is that just a convenient lie made up to make it more believable. In which case, why did scientists even mention the belt, the public wouldn't have found out about it otherwise)

On what is the gateway conspiracy theory, in my experience, since at least 2015 most of the secular conspiracy theorists I have talked to in depth name 9/11 as the first conspiracy theory that they fell for. In fact I talked someone who was Moon Landing conspiracy curious out of falling for the Moon Landing conspiracy theory over a period of about half an hour, and when he finally agreed that I was probably right we talked about conspiracies in general and I mentioned 9/11, at which point he said "Well you are definitely wrong about that one! There are loads of engineers who are on record saying that the towers could not have been collapsed by the planes." and he then went on to tell me that the realization that democratic governments (including our Dutch government here in the Netherlands) could be that evil was the inspiration for him asking "What else have they lied to us about?".

Christianity isn't just a conspiracy theory. _It's also an isekai._ Think about it. People die and get reincarnated into another world, with a new, superior body, surrounded by people who love them. The worst part? Like all isekai today, christianity is _painfully derivative._

20:07 Creationists not speaking with authority outside of their relevent fields, challenge level: Impossible.

I guess fossil hunters like me are hiding the truth of out-of-place fossils.

Hey, it's not like creationists are flat Earthers, right? I mean, apart from all of the creationists who _are_ flat Earthers...

i watched this vid after the live and i gotta say i adore this panel. so many different expertises and viewpoints!!!! i would love to see a redux!

I heard someone suggest that life is a geological process. What do you think? I believe that if you call yourself a scientist-- and a christian you are firmly perched on a fence post. That is the way you avoid being rejected by family and friends and giving up the social and economic privileges afforded by attending church and identifying with the cultists.