Why Ice Cores Do NOT Prove an Old Earth

[@creationministriesintl]

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[@christophercoupe5006]

I think the "experts" are making huge errors in counting ice core bands! Each band is an individual snowstorm not a year because the snow in each storm is different ie snowflake size and hardness. Storm temperature differences account for this.

[@Glop1177]

You should go show them how it's done.

[@vladtheemailer3223]

Maybe you could ask them to teach you.

[@i7Qp4rQ]

​@@Glop1177it isnt about physical action, but the faulty deduction.

[@Glop1177]

@@i7Qp4rQ go tell them that. You'll be rich and famous so there's literally no reason for you not to demonstrate how much more you understand glaciology then the experts who spent their lives studying it.

[@i7Qp4rQ]

@@Glop1177 Not possible bco. academic f45,c15m .

[@dallinheatherhardy2683]

You know when KZbin puts the notification pushing the Climate Change narrative beneath the video that there's gotta some good and truthful stuff being talked about in this one that the powers of this world don't want you to know!

[@markhawkins190]

Sooo true ...🙂🙂👍👍

[@KenJackson_US]

KZbin and United Nations are both evil.

[@WMHinsch]

I look at all of Google's "warnings" as a seal of approval. Those videos immediately pique my interest.

[@inthelightofhisglory9614]

Let creation testify! Secularists can deny the reality of what is around us all they want. It doesn't change the fact that there is a God and his word is true. God bless.

[@PaxAlotin]

Good grief --- Where did you get the idea that anyone who doesn't accept the claims presented in the video- is a 'Secularist' ? 😑

[@georg7120]

Prove it? What god, humans created so many of them.

[@mkm8149]

If you would just think,. Using only faith for your decision making is so ridiculous.

[@inthelightofhisglory9614]

@@mkm8149 we have informed faith. God gives us enough to confirm what we believe to be true to make it a rational position.

[@HiddenView1977]

@@georg7120 We can’t prove God’s existence via the Scientific Method. Several arguments for His existence you can research are ontological, teleological, Kalam Cosmological, and Information Theory. Seek truth, I hope you find it.

[@johndodson8464]

The Donner Party got stuck in a snowstorm that came down so hard that they lost horses buried in the snow. They had to dig tunnels down to their cabins, which were buried in snow.

[@justtruth8281]

The plan that was recovered was a P-38 now called the glacier girl.

[@justtruth8281]

@ Yes there is a Documentary about the recovery.

[@newcreationinchrist1423]

Thank you CMI for all your hard work and teaching the truth about the world around us! God bless you 🙏🙏🙏

[@akmurf7429]

If the Milankovitch theory is correct, why is it glaciers persist mostly in the coastal regions of Alaska where the clime is milder and there is more snow melt. You'd think there would be less ice melt in the colder northern regions with larger glaciers. The problem is, the colder it gets the less moisture carrying ability of the air and less precipitation, so no glacier build up in the first place. The theory does not work in the real world. On the other hand, Michael Oard's explanation of the ice age as a consequence of Noah's flood makes perfect sense.

[@chrisbiro1]

The ice cores are not estimate solely based on the ice observed in the cores. They are also collaborated with other non ice data, such as geological data and astronomical data.

[@richiejourney1840]

Which is a good thing and are even better if those things by which we collaborate are themselves non debatable dated things.

[@donaldduck830]

And ice cores got a major readjustment due to those other methods. With isotope testing, some cores thought to be 80k years old were revealed to be only 8k years old. Caused quite a stir just a few years ago. But the decay is one of the most regular things we know, we even base our modern clocks on atoms.

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

@@donaldduck830 You are not being honest about this. Provide the title of the paper.

[@donaldduck830]

@@BmoreGrrrrl I don't remember the title. I only remember the results, that one of the areas tested was Tibet, that they used a heavier isotope (a noble gas?) instead of the earlier used Oxygen 18 to 16 ratio and that they were quite surprised but could not find any errors. And I am being honest, need to use maybe a better searchengine instead of the usual, but it is the truth afaik it.

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

@@donaldduck830 "Trust me bro" 😂😂🤣🤣😆😆 Either you are not being honest or your memory is bad.

[@kenwebster5053]

In polar regions there is very little actual precipitation at all. It's mostly the same snow blowing this way and that and every storm brings more drifts on top or other drifts & sometimes it builds up in layers with each storm. So the problem is that layers represent storms, not years & then sometimes layers are eroded by a storm wind too. The snow in a layer was not all precipitated in the same year it may have been blowing around this way and that for a year, maybe a millennia, who knows....... So counting layers of snow basically means diddly squat.

[@danhoff4401]

Since we can cross reference this with volcanic eruptions that occurred during recorded history we can absolutely validate core date. You are repeating lies from apologists. Actually look this stuff up.

[@libertynindependence]

I think it’s very illogical to think that ice cores can really tell us anything. It’s built on the presupposition that those layers are already millions of years old.

[@richiejourney1840]

What would your presumption be then?

[@libertynindependence]

@ starting without one.

[@richiejourney1840]

@@libertynindependence no one starts anything without presuppositions. Finding whether it supports them or not is a different thing.

[@DevlinJones-h4z]

Science is always done without suppositions. That's what makes it science. Anything else is religion

[@gordon985]

Ice cores once again prove that science has to be observable not an interpretation by someone with a evolutionary world view.

[@donaldduck830]

Huh? Ice cores prove how faulty human perception is. Based on isotopes, some cores thought to be 80k years old were only 8k years old. Seems revolutionary to me and caused quite a stir just a few years ago.

[@gordon985]

@donaldduck830 the WWII bombers in the artic were 350 ft deep in the ice after only 50 years. Each layer ring was not a year but a weather event. Disproving ice core ages.

[@donaldduck830]

@@gordon985 Yes and I support that way of logical thinking. I just brought up another piece of evidence (isotope dating) that conclusively proves that the old dates the "experts" were telling us were utterly wrong. They counted rings until the ice was shimmering like a mirage in front of their eyes and miscounted like they miscount enemy casualties in war. Hard science like isotope decay proves that the attempts at counting rings fail utterly. Idk how long they take to count along a 3km ice core, but I totally agree that the rings form from specific weather events (snow fall, storms blowing, etc,) and that at the end of the day the count will be off by a huge margin of errors.

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

@@donaldduck830 Please retract your lie ice core dates are off by an order of magnitude.

[@booneyscb]

When you read some of the comments you realize that either the commenter didn't watch the video or didn't comprehend the words used.

[@theslugboiii5969]

or we just don't believe his nonsense

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

Or unlike the actors in the video the commentors are scientifically educated and know what they're talking about.

[@obnoxiously_yours4807]

​​@@BmoreGrrrrlscientifically educated enough to argue only in the comment section with no real insights/knowledge of what is being discussed in the video... nor able to produce a minute video to support their arguments 😂😂😂😂😂

[@richiejourney1840]

@@BmoreGrrrrlWell Leslie, perhaps all of you can demonstrate your education instead of rhetoric? I for one just want to see the factuals.

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

@@richiejourney1840 *I for one just want to see the factuals.* I posted a paper above showing the cross-correlation of the Talos Dome ice core yearly layers with independently dated tephras from volcanic eruptions which match back over 70,000 YBP. Is that factual enough? I'd love to hear anyone from the creation camp explain why the two independent data sets match over the 70K year span. 🙂

[@dnaturalblues]

Hard evidence supports a young earth. Millions/billions of years is a premise used as an attempt to remove/discredit God and His creations of salvation and end times.

[@Glop1177]

That's actually incorrect. Every single relevant field of science contradicts a young Earth.

[@iam7712]

The earth is very old and the universe even older and I can prove it. The furtherest galaxies we can currently see are 14,000,000,000 light years away. That means the light took 14,000,000,000 years to get here. That means the universe is 14,000,000,000 years old. You have been debunked.

[@DrPowerElectronics]

@@Glop1177and how exactly do you know that? 😂

[@Glop1177]

@@DrPowerElectronics well it's easy, think of a relevant field.

[@DrPowerElectronics]

@@Glop1177so you work in them all? Or maybe you believe what you have been told. How about looking into the evidence presented?

[@joefromravenna]

My old engineering mentor would say: “any more on can draw a line on a chart.” The access to excel allows all kinds of people to do armchair statistical analysis and fitting a 4th order polynomial to a set of data and have a catastrophic outcome.

[@VirtuousCreature]

What about layers that they say they can count? They say that each layer represents a winter period (which is an assumption), but that there are tens to hundreds of these countable layers.

[@voiceofreason162]

If ten billion tons of evidence points to God, an atheist only needs 0.00000000001 grams that don't or cast doubt on the mountains in plain sight. It isn't the volume or quality that matters. It's what it means. It's amazing how much meaning a mind finds in 0.00000000001 grams they agree with and how little agreement it finds in ten billion tons it won't.

[@Glop1177]

Wouldn't it be something if there was any evidence of God.

[@Mark-h2s]

Well, all relevant data and evidence points to an earth that is billions of years old, so somebody is denying evidence, and it certainly isn't scientists.

[@voiceofreason162]

@Glop1177 Wouldn't it? What would you do with it?

[@Glop1177]

@@voiceofreason162 actually start to consider that God might be real. I'd probably also faint from the shock of a creationist that knows what evidence is.

[@voiceofreason162]

@@Glop1177 And if God is real, what's next?

[@JosephBoxmeyer-u3d]

You did not disprove an old earth, as your title leads me to believe. You stated that old earth geologists are agreed with young earthers on the dates of several thousand meters of ice cores. Please provide these numbers with a sample imagined "column" of ice as though a graph with the ages marked. I was disappointed that you did not mention measures if salinity or of pollen or dust or smoke. And is there a measurement discrepancy between the actual ice above those WW11 planes and the ice core ages?

[@samuelrodriguez9199]

Happy new year CMI 👏🏽👏🏽

[@juerbert1]

Thank you, gentlemen !

[@lethalschannel2759]

18:50 1.6km is 1 mile, not 3 miles. 160km per hour is 100 miles per hour... according to every speedo I've seen with calibrations for both systems. I think its 1.62km = 1 mile

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

I posted a paper below showing the cross-correlation of the Talos Dome ice core yearly layers with independently dated tephras from volcanic eruptions which match back over 70,000 YBP. I'd love to hear anyone from the creation camp explain why the two independent data sets match over the 70K year span. 🙂 Anyone?

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

(....crickets.....) 😊

[@ethanlamoureux5306]

I don't know anything about your paper, nor do I see any link to it. But I don't need to read it to know that it would never have been published if it didn't at least appear to agree with today's "scientific" dogma about the past. Show me something that disagrees with the status quo in the universities. Show me something that is controversial.

[@danhoff4401]

​@@ethanlamoureux5306this is the problem with conspiracy theories like YEC. There is no cabal trying to hide the truth. The reason all scientists and the majority of Christians believe the earth is old is because the evidence supports it. Anyone who follows the evidence comes to the same conclusions, no shady academic business necessary.

[@donaldduck830]

Independent data on ice cores ... was used with isotope dating... and found that they were an order of magnitude younger than thought. How was your volcano tephra dated? Unless you got something really good, I will keep looking at the isotope decay data, since that is probably the most regular and least error.prone means of measuring that kind of age.

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

@@donaldduck830 Since you refuse to provide a source for your claim the conclusion must be you are lying.

[@TickedOffPriest]

The laws of physics, unlike the understanding of man do not change.

[@ScrewdriverTUNING]

They will soon realize those books they threw out, where ever so important. We definitely believe in many floods. Your Noah only the last one. And that was before your unreasonable timeline.

[@333Paradigm333]

Peace be with you friend. Can you define "a reasonable timeline", without begginng the question?

[@ScrewdriverTUNING]

@@333Paradigm333 sure I can. But the Bible has everyone’s hands tied. Literally taking away the ability to think reasonably. The Egyptians made fun of Solon, the fact he only knew about the very last flood. So he was told about the first one. That first flood sent folks fleeing America (the travelers). Next if you assert the stars were in fact laid out on the ground, those stories of ppls from the stars are indeed human. Next you have to believe these folks worked as one with the earth. If you can bring these things into your mind without handcuffs. (The Bible) then the timeline will reveal itself. !!

[@ScrewdriverTUNING]

@@333Paradigm333 sure I can. But the Bible has everyone’s hands tied. Literally taking away the ability to think reasonably. The Egyptians made fun of Solon, the fact he only knew about the very last flood. So he was told about the first one. That first flood sent folks fleeing America (the travelers). Next if you assert the stars were in fact laid out on the ground, those stories of ppls from the stars are indeed human. Next you have to believe these folks worked as one with the earth. If you can bring these things into your mind without handcuffs. (The Bible) then the timeline will reveal itself. !!

[@ScrewdriverTUNING]

@@333Paradigm333 sure I can. But the Bible has everyone’s hands tied. Literally taking away the ability to think reasonably. The Egyptians made fun of Solon, the fact he only knew about the very last flood. So he was told about the first one. That first flood sent folks fleeing America (the travelers). Next if you assert the stars were in fact laid out on the ground, those stories of ppls from the stars are indeed human. Next you have to believe these folks worked as one with the earth. If you can bring these things into your mind without handcuffs. (The Bible) then the timeline will reveal itself. !!

[@hans.stein.]

I wish you guys took the chronological numbers of Septuagint, Flavius Josephus, and Samaritan Pentateuch as well as early christian authors (Eusebius, Augustine a.o.) more serious regarding the ancient history of mankind. The rabbinic (masoretic) numbers are simply not correct (and frankly impossible by Scripture and history).

[@i7Qp4rQ]

It has been discussed, but I agree, the "6000" is a bit too "stone written" number. The correct number is likely centuries more, 6650 or even higher. 10000, however, is pushing it.

[@hans.stein.]

​@@i7Qp4rQ Taking all into account (LXX, Sam. Pent., Flav. Jos., ...) it should be about one and a half millennia more of human history. Sounds not so much in retrospect. But is (timewise) like from the end of antiquity to our lifetime in this day and age.

[@i7Qp4rQ]

@@hans.stein. YT "Were the pyramids built before the flood?" by nathanh83 argues for those +650 years after the flood, and imo credibly. But the idea seems to be quite pooh-pooh'd by the "exactly 6000 years" folks, like Kent Hovind.

[@SheridanFalkenberry]

See this article! creation.com/lxx-mt-response

[@vancemoody]

@hans.stein. Take that back !!! Ha Ha Woo-Hoo!!!

[@saludanite]

I'm willing to bet that we are going to find similar results in the Great Smokey Mountains soon. You have a super-warm climate followed by a flood and tremendous rains, washing everything away, followed by a hard freeze from winter as the climate takes over. Just saying!

[@curious968]

The Great Smokey Mountains are very much worn down mountains. They are not where you want to go for "evidence" of a young earth. They, themselves, are quite old and known to be quite old. Wild guesses won't do here.

[@saludanite]

@@curious968 You MIS-read my post.

[@johndodson8464]

Watch a satellite, time-lapse video of glacier flows. They flow several miles a year. Ask a mountain climber. Crevasses open up on the same path that they climbed up days earlier. Ice is not static. Old earth clowns suppose that an ice core digs through "millions" of years? 😂 Ice moves like slow oceans. Layers flow over layers. It's more like rain in a watershed, not like rock layers.

[@curious968]

Yeah, those silly scientists. They didn't account for any of that stuff in their calculations. Why, any five year old on the internet can find all sorts of things they didn't consider. But now ask yourself a question -- this is exactly the sort of thing routinely brought up in peer review. Are you really so sure that these things didn't come up when this stuff was established?

[@danhoff4401]

You are correct that I've is not static, beyond that everything you wrote is factually incorrect. Typical YEC clown thinking facts support a young earth without knowing the first thing about the topic.

[@Resist.Tyranny]

Ice core ages are not determined solely from counting layers and computer models. Geochemistry, volcanic ash, uranium decay, electrical conductivity, matching to insolation time series are all used. This video is a misrepresentation like everything else from young earthers.

[@MultipleGrievance]

K. Take just one of your examples and flesh it out. Explain how uranium decay proves the age of ice cores.

[@richiejourney1840]

@@MultipleGrievancewell…therein lays the entire rub. I don’t think anyone can “prove” the age of all things by any undisputed or disputed measurement system.

[@danhoff4401]

Exactly correct, every point they made was incorrect or intentionally deceptive. The truth does not need to be defended with a lie and misrepresenting the data is the same as lying.

[@christianaspas]

Ok so ice builds up 75 meters in 11 years then the 3k layer is made in about 2000 years. Check 17:20 for hard evidence.

[@jacobrodman6908]

The guy searched for the planes for 11 years but the planes were left behind 50 years before they were found

[@superdude4088]

Milankovitch is a big sounding word so people think it must be true??? Is this really what he thinks of us? No wonder society in general has lost faith in those who teach science.

[@mikecore1637]

The weight of the plane would also cause it to sink in to the ice .Sound nuts but ice melts and freezes at the same time . Little by little gravity will pull down creating energy on that surface. Energy = heat. Its one of the questions I got wrong in high school chemistry .To make it worse I don't live near ice and snow but people that do may have seen this happen.A branch - rock -pebble something with weight working its way down and in to .

[@MattBond00797]

@@mikecore1637 that is true, but I don't think it'd weigh enough. A citation on the regelation article on Wikipedia says you'd need about 7300 psi (500atm) to melt ice at -4C. P52 mustang dry weight is around 7600lbs. Given it's not all balanced on one square inch, I doubt it could melt the ice that much. Regelation is more so associated with glaciers. Cars and trucks don't melt snow just from their weight. Sticks, rocks and other things in nature can sink due to freeze thaw cycles.

[@donaldduck830]

@@MattBond00797 Several research stations in Antarctica had the problem of sinking into the ice. But those were certainly heavier than a plane and heated.

[@akmurf7429]

uniformatarians do the same thing regarding the sedimentary layers in the Grand Canyon. Thier assumptions don't make sense there either due to the lack of bioturbation and erosion between the layers. They're all flat as if one were laid down shortly after the other (Noah's flood).

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

*due to the lack of bioturbation and erosion between the layers.* That is 100% false. The Temple Butte Formation of the GC between the Redwall and Muav limestones has numerous infilled paleochannels and paleovalleys eroded into in. The Bright Angle Shale in the GC shows considerable bioturbation with a huge amount of fossilize worm burrows.

[@doptagd]

Just read a cool article on Yahoo by Mary Walrath-Holdridge about 166 million year old dinosaur tracks.

[@ethanlamoureux5306]

How about the finding of soft tissue in dinosaur bones, supposedly 70 million years old?

[@Mark-h2s]

Geology, physics, even astronomy.. demonstrate Earth is very very old.

[@Sl15555]

physics? really? I don't think physics demonstrates anything but physics, and defiantly not age of the universe. could you give me an example?

[@donaldduck830]

@@Sl15555 Isotope decay shows that the ice cores are orders of magnitude younger than thought. Also that Earth must have encountered a Supernova remnant so recently that according to conventional thought, life should not exist here. Stuff does not add up and the physics we know is self-contradictory about this.

[@Sl15555]

@@donaldduck830 That sounds really interesting, I'm going to look that up. ty

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

@@donaldduck830 *Isotope decay shows that the ice cores are orders of magnitude younger than thought.* Please stop posting this outright lie.

[@theegoattrail6264]

30 minutes of very educated language, theology, and science undone by the inability to calculate 1.6 kilometers into miles (it's not "*3" @ 18:50). If one piece of data has been miscalculated and sensationalized, ..... ??????;(~

[@RB-bd5tz]

If you live in a snowy area, the next time a grader goes through a snowbank, count the layers.

[@JumpingJack-w2l]

Yep, creationists should stop lying and gaslighting themselves and others. Counting something after a grader is a decent way to stay busy and distracted from harmful activities.

[@RB-bd5tz]

@@JumpingJack-w2l Well, how many annual snowfalls do those layers represent? Because that's how evolutionists think.

[@JumpingJack-w2l]

@@RB-bd5tz You're probably unwell, because neither your question nor your claim-nor their combination-makes any sense. It’s glaciologists who drill for ice cores, study them, develop and improve methods, provide data to other fields, and verify their methods by comparing various aspects of ice core measurements with data from other fields. If you think you can contribute to glaciology with your counting abilities and the method you came up with after watching a gaslighting creationist’s video, I wonder: before proposing this, did you check books like Theoretical Glaciology, Fundamental Glaciology, Glaciology and Glacial Geomorphology, or Glaciology for Glacial Geologists, which appear in a simple Google search for 'glaciology books' and seem fundamental to the field by their titles? Even if you assume glaciologists are dumb and scientists from other fields who use ice core data never told them their data was off, by sheer coincidence, they might have already discovered the same or a slightly better technique-considering the field has existed for at least 180 years.

[@RB-bd5tz]

@@JumpingJack-w2l From "Record-shattering 2.7-million-year-old ice core reveals start of the ice ages": "... these contortions also confound the neat ordering of the annual layers-making it impossible to date the ice by counting them."

[@KenJackson_US]

I just love it when everything fits together. It's not possible to have a secular truth that conflicts with biblical truth. That would be evidence that we misunderstand one or the other. * The biblical timeline recorded in the LXX of the flood at perhaps 3300 BC fits very well with secular history of the world's first civilization at Sumer. * The biblical history of the flood also fits very well with the observed continent-scale fossil-bearing miles-deep hydraulically-sorted layers of sediment that cover the whole earth. * The hot oceans and cold skies darkened by volcano ash would surely produce voluminous snow which fits very well with the evidence of the ice age, the ice-covered poles and the ever warming climate.

[@curious968]

The Biblical flood, since Usher at least, is dated to the 2300s BCE not the 3300s. On what basis do you add a thousand years to the fundamentalist timeline? If you're going to say the earth is 6000 years old, casually tossing a thousand years into the timeline is not a small thing. If the Bible can be read so discrepantly in terms of dating, that suggests that the whole fundamentalist enterprise is mistaken.

[@KenJackson_US]

@@curious968: _"On what basis do you add a thousand years to the fundamentalist timeline?"_ The Greek Septuagint (LXX) and Samaritan Pentateuch translations of Genesis each indicate that Hebrew Masoretic Text was doctored to shorten lengths of lives before having a first son. Extant copies of those translations are also older and more plentiful than the Hebrew. This was probably done to claim Melchizedek was Shem in an attempt to discredit Jesus's claim to priesthood. Those more accurate translations show Shem was long gone by the time Abraham met Melchizedek. According to the LXX, the flood was probably around 3298 BC. And creation may have been 5554 BC. That puts the earth at about 7580 years old.

[@1000DavidK]

⁠@@KenJackson_US Could be. But the difference between approximately 6000 years and 7500 years doesn’t really help those that don’t believe God’s statements anyway. Their belief depends upon millions and billions of supposed years.

[@KenJackson_US]

@@1000DavidK The difference isn't worth fighting over. But I use the correct numbers. Not believing the truth doesn't make the truth wrong.

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

@@KenJackson_US Claiming you know the truth despite the huge amount of evidence against you doesn't make you right.

[@willhall4037]

nice story about the WW2 planes.

[@julesverne2509]

When modern society is built on lies and God is truth, it's no wonder the world is in the shape it's in. People can't see God because of all the lies. They've rationalized things that are easily provably false that they dont know are false.

[@poliincredible770]

the Bible says the Earth is old, just not billions of years old.

[@wakcackle3555]

By their very nature, all models are wrong. Otherwise it would be the real thing.

[@davidcammack8625]

Nice to hear a good explanation about ice cores. Always good to learn more about the true explanations. I bet the naturalistic evolutionists don't like those WW2 planes!

[@RobertA-oi6hw]

Trust the Bible narrative! God doesn't lie. In fact He is incapable of lying.

[@richiejourney1840]

No. He does not lie like a sinful man would. He does veil and deceive and withhold truths. He even causes lie’s to be told to a certain king for his disposal. Does this mean we can’t trust the Bible? Absolutely not. We can trust it.

[@dave4737]

We cannot even measure a one way speed of light.

[@Glop1177]

Doesn't matter because if the speed of light isn't even all directions space-time couldn't exist and nothing outside your own mind could be real.

[@richiejourney1840]

Why can’t we measure a one way speed of light?

[@1000DavidK]

@@Glop1177 I’m afraid that’s not what Einstein (and physics) say.

[@Glop1177]

@@1000DavidK Then you don't have a basic comprehension of physics.

[@1000DavidK]

@@Glop1177 Ok, that remark convinced me. You surely know more about physics that Einstein. He lived like a hundred years ago! He probably doesn’t hold a candle to you.

[@Johnny-es9xg]

Speculation and presumption is a perfect explanation of what evolutionary science is. Thanks for the information.

[@Mark-h2s]

Our modern medicine is based directly upon evolutionary theory, so biologists are obviously doing something right.

[@jacobcochrane9069]

Who else heard about this from McCanny many years ago?

[@ji8044]

After watching many of these videos with Australian "experts", I have come to the conclusion that a college degree in Australia might be the equivalent of a Sunday school certificate of achievement in other industrialized nations.

[@michaelkivinen1691]

From Noha flood 5000 years ago devide by 3000 meters of ice = 1.66666666667 meter of ice laid down each year as the earth was sub tropical for 1000 years before Noha flood happened, So just simple maths. MPK.

[@i7Qp4rQ]

That is about so, but but try to avoid unnecessary decimals.

[@jonathanbaake6228]

you should probably invert your units: it's 1,67 years per meter ;-)

[@craigbachman5765]

The layers got squashed together.

[@bumperxx1]

We don't need ice cores to disprove the timeline of the Bible we already have Gobekli tempeh 15,000 years old

[@christtheonlyhope4578]

God's word says what it says. If it says 6 days it means 6 days. Exodus 20:11 proves that point. Too many foolish believers listening to the world.

[@stefanhnavetsea1588]

you mean then on the 7th day GOD/ YHWH/ Adonai Elohim/ El Shaddai feel tired and rest to recuperate? there would be literal beast coming from the ocean and from the land, and old dragon too? and 144000 saved souls? Christian IS NOT LITERAL religion, if you want literal religion be a muslim or something else like jehovah witness. If you want to win souls for The Lord don't make people think you are weird, Bible is not a science book, Christian doesn't need to answer the mystery of the universe by digging phrases in bible, Bible is a Concept through symbolism, especially the book of genesis chapter1 and the book of revelation, we should make people believe in Jesus and what counted as salvation is just that, salvation through the Grace of The Lord, we don't need to prove the earth is 6000 years old or if noah brought T-rex and Sauropods inside the ark... GOD told Moses on top of Mt Sinai the concept of creation, GOD like orders in everything, He separate the light from the dark, the dry from the wet, Right in the eye of GOD or Wrong in the eye of GOD, Believers from Non believers. there is no shades of grey or lukewarm in the eye of GOD, the most important message, people are going to be separated into 2 groups, either going to Hell or Going to Heaven, there is no middle way there is no neutral way, just that. GOD didn't need to make Moses into Astrophysics or Palaentology or Biology to explain life or evolution of cell, just like if a toddler ask the parents how baby come to life, the parent will use symbolism to explain it, they won't explicitly tell the intercourse and ejaculation of semen and the sperm fertilize the egg and the cell splits and embryo form.. those are irrelevant for the toddler, the same evolution and dinosaurs and everything pre human are irrelevant in the eye of GOD for Moses, for Israelites, and for us, later we might find the secret behind it little by little when we are ready but it shouldn't be battled against the symbolism.

[@christtheonlyhope4578]

@stefanhnavetsea1588 haha. No thanks. I'll stick with Jesus but thanks anyway. What people think about what I believe doesn't matter. The only opinion that matters on this is God's opinion. When I see Jesus face to face and he says well done my good and faithful servant. That's when it will be worth it. The Bible talks a lot about suffering for the sake of Christ. In the era in which the New Testament was written, followers of Jesus were often ostracized by their own families and communities. Some of the worst persecution came from the religious leaders (Acts 4:1-3). Jesus told His followers, "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:10). He reminded His disciples, "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first" (John 15:18).

[@iam7712]

Everything is very old and here is the proof. The furtherest galaxies we can currently see are 14,000,000,000 light years away. That means the light took 14,000,000,000 years to get here. That means the universe is 14,000,000,000 years old. You have been debunked.

[@AlbatrossRevenue]

If your faith in any way rests on inconsequential details, then I'm afraid it's you who's been consumed by the world. If such details mattered, Jesus would have made it a priority to teach about them and set people straight. He didn't because it doesn't matter. Did he ever talk about the age of the earth? Why are you concerned with it? Does God even work within the confines of time? He created time. You'll never understand the ways of God anyway, so obsessing over such details is useless. The Bible and Jesus both teach through repetition what's truly important: faith, love, hope, discipline, and obedience. These themes repeat over and over and over. How everything was created is barely mentioned because it doesn't matter. God doesn't want you worrying about that, that's his domain. You only need to understand he stands above it all. He created everything by his own means as he saw fit, whatever they may be, and everything is under his hand. The details don't matter, he's beyond your comprehension. If you find yourself concerned with it and think it's important to your faith, it's only because you've focused too much on the ways of the world. Remember the words of Ecclesiastes -- everything worldly is ultimately meaningless. Whether you live as an illiterate peasant, or wise king, in the end what matters is whether you loved God with all your heart and served him with your life. Don't let the world distract you from that. If you want to believe he literally created everything in 6 days, that's absolutely fine. But just keep in mind that's entirely irrelevant to your path as a Christian. Whether it was 6 days or 6 seconds or whatever, the message of Jesus is not changed in the slightest.

[@superdude4088]

The New Testament was written primarily for 1st century Jewish people, through the eyes of a 2nd temple period culture. The Old Testament was by and for an older Judaic culture. We do a tremendous disservice to the Word by subjecting folks to a 21st-century Westerners' interpretation. "God said it, I believe it, that settles it!" is a brutally simplistic view of the Bible.

[@Stimulation334]

How can humans cause so much global warming in a 6000 year old planet

[@richiejourney1840]

What makes you even think Humans cause so much “global warming” in the first place?

[@ethanlamoureux5306]

That's just the thing. Humans are not warming the planet. The planet has been warming on its own ever since the ice age, and will probably continue warming until it reaches its original equilibrium. There is fossilized tropical or subtropical vegetation all over the world. The pace at which the earth is warming only causes alarm for scientists who think the earth is billions of years old. But if the earth is less than 10,000 years old, then the pace of warming is normal and expected.

[@kitemanmusic]

Water is not compressible, therefore how can ice layers be compressed? Is the ice pushed out horizontally?

[@richiejourney1840]

Snow (water) is compressible

[@kitemanmusic]

@ Yes, that is true, but it probably doesn’t take much weight of snow to compress down to solid ice. I need to check, and maybe you could as well.

[@richiejourney1840]

@@kitemanmusic I don’t know, it’s not really worth my time, but, we easily observe this phenomena in my cold winter state of Nebraska, where ice forms under snow quite frequently. It’s not just weight, but temperature as well. A tiny amount of compression due to even a small weight would generate some amount of heat though. Water can freeze and melt and freeze ALMOST simultaneously. I remember this in my college physics studies. I also remember in my engineering studies, that water is slightly compressible, but negligible amount and is therefore “not compressible”. I would therefore assume that over time this ice would compress and spread out…and you can easily observe water compacting to a solid ice in your freezer ice cube tray.

[@kitemanmusic]

@ actually water expands when it freezes. This makes it lighter for the same volume and therefore floats. No air in the ice. I agree, snow has air trapped which does get squeezed out under pressure.

[@danhoff4401]

This whole video is dishonesty rehashing debunked arguments. You can cross date ice cores which is how we know what the annual layers look like. The plane landed on a glacier is different from an ice sheet that is not moving. There are plenty of research cores from sheets and moving glaciers and this video intentionally doesn't articulate the difference. This is typical apologetics. Both presenters here should go back and reread a particular verse about millstones.

[@donaldduck830]

Nope. Just a few short years ago, we crosschecked ice cores with isotope decay and found that the age was an order of magnitude lower than previously thought. Actual scientific papers published in journals, you can look it up.

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

@@donaldduck830 Provide the title of the paper. I suspect you are not being honest.

[@danhoff4401]

@@donaldduck830 considering the oldest ice cores date to 2.7mya we can be a few orders of magnitude off and still consider YEC debunked. The oldest visually dated ice cores are 83000 years old so that can also be an order of magnitude off and still debunk the 6000 year old crowd without even getting into the fancy ice dating methods.

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

@@donaldduck830 Since you can't support this rather silly claim honesty dictates you retract it.

[@fentonpeter1582]

@@BmoreGrrrrl Most likely "scientific papers" from CMI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@DevlinJones-h4z]

"Interesting?" More like a gigantic waste of taxpayer money. Colleting popsicles and calling it science

[@danielpascoe9638]

Why is he looking away from the interviewer?

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

Avoiding eye contact is a psychological defense mechanism for people who know they aren't being honest.

[@blank-964]

👍

[@StevenHird]

He’s a geologist 🤔

[@RodMartinJr]

*_Very poor logic!_* The planes were downed about 10 miles from the coast of SE Greenland, where snowfall is heaviest and most frequent! While half a century or so will produce 300 feet there, it will produce only inches where the cores are taken! *_We need to do far better than this if we are to spread the Gospel. Lies and incompetence only do harm!_* 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯 "And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent" (John 17:3, ESV).

[@PaxAlotin]

The fact that Ice-core measurements are subject to question - does not prove that the Flood occurred - nor does it prove the age of the Earth. I am open to various interpretations of data - but he is using flawed logic when he uses the Ice-core question to jump to the conclusions that he does. Moreover - he avoided talking about the issue of ice compression. This can be measured with a variety of scientific techniques including isochronal stratiography.

[@NateWilliams190]

Weight compresses ice.

[@garrygraham]

He neither claims the ice proves the Flood, nor the age of the earth. He simply assesses the evidence against two worldviews, uniformitarianism and Biblical Creationism, and concludes that it fits the biblical model better than the uniformitarian model. You need to listen more carefully, rather than getting triggered by valid objections to the mythology of naturalistic materialism.

[@PaxAlotin]

@@garrygraham Listen again.

[@fentonpeter1582]

@@NateWilliams190 It compresses snow even more !!

[@johndodson8464]

"Isochronal stratiography" Wow, you use big words! Aren't you something! You think your big words even make a point? They don't.

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

This is a severe misrepresentation of the facts. The "lost squadron" planes crash landed near the coast of Greenland which gets 3-5 meters of snow every winter. That is why they were so deeply covered so relatively quickly. It has nothing to do with the Greenland Ice Core Project (GRIP) ice cores which are drilled far inland with an annual snowfall of only a few cm. The GRIP project has ice core samples dating back over 100,000 years.

[@ronaldschoolcraft8654]

Certainly don't think critically or anything. Just parrot the propaganda.

[@DrPowerElectronics]

And the ice loss in the middle of Greenland is about zero recently according to NASA and now very high around the edge of Greenland. So how do you count thin layers? Maybe use entrapped Carbon gas instead. And compare to something else? He was making a simple observation. Note I just connected the two regions too. A lot of ice got to the middle somehow. So no Gotcha moment here.

[@fentonpeter1582]

You are totally correct. But that does not stop CMI from manipulating the facts and consequently the truth ! Where the aircraft came down is close to the coast in a zone that storms dump snow each year in meters not feet. With the ongoing global warming and the North Atlantic getting warmer this dumping of snow is getting greater so by those calcs 2 meters would be a minimum. There is a big difference between compounded snow drifts and glaciers !!!! It’s been nearly 80 years since the Lost Flight ditched on the ice so at 2 meters of snow per year, that gives us over a hundred-fifty meters of accumulation. Since the planes discovered and recovered were fairly well intact we know the "ice" they were under was not glacial ice, if that were the case they would have been damaged a lot more. This"ice" is moderately compacted snowfall. Wise old CMI saying....."never let the truth get in the way of a good story". cheers

[@planofman8599]

They are basing that 800k year assumption on the 2-3 cm of yearly ice accumulation we get these days and assuming that the rate of ice accumulation has been the same for thousands of years. The depth of ice is inconsequential if the accumulation rate was faster in the past. You are accusing these guys of making assumptions while ignoring the fact that the scientists claiming 800k years are also making assumptions and calling them "facts."

[@Martin-Wally]

@@BmoreGrrrrl Does one think there could not have been more snow falling inland in years gone by?

[@jimsims-c7o]

lol @ youtube putting united nations climate lies up top too funny

[@danieljust295]

The theory where Earth’s axis shift is assumed and the change of its trajectory can’t be true simply because every simulation of heliocentric system falls apart when one of the planets changes mass or inertia, the trajectories would change rapidly and they would not be ellipsoidal any longer but would look as random. If fact the simulations show that heliocentric system would fall apart very quickly if planters were bomb breed with asteroids, not to mention that none of simulation model considers angular momentum of reach planet - which is force arising from orbital movement. If heliocentric model would be true the trajectories of all planets should rotate as well. Unfortunately “the scientists” don’t even understand that. No a side note, Genesis, Job, Isaiah, David all together give us picture of the Earth as flat with the firmament above us. The Heaven is above the stars and the stars are in the firmament and there is water between the stars and the Heaven. Unfortunately, even Christians dint believe their own Bible and they accepted heliocentric system.

[@i7Qp4rQ]

Yt: Mike Winger - Refuting those flat earth verses ( you should of checked the context)

[@danieljust295]

@ Genesis is clear the earth is immovable with the firmament - majority of “scholars” conveniently omit all references to that, at the same time they are unable to explain where the Heaven and Abyss is. I suggest you stop relying on deceivers and do your own research, biblical and logical. Heliocentric system is logically impossible. Heliocentrism is lie and imposed on church by early Freemasons. Copernicus being one of them. Or you trust more Nazi engineer Werner vin Braun who lead NASA programs ? I hope you know he was forcing people to work in German factories and many died, he was also sentencing people to death. Eventually expelled from the USA after the public pressure. Tell me one experiment or observation which proves beyond the doubt we live in idiotic heliocentric cosmos.

[@richiejourney1840]

All science is best guess based on what we do know, which includes your science. Not one of us can say with 100% certainty I’m right and you are wrong. Biblical literalist can’t even “prove” plausibility as “fact” of the age of the earth, etc., without first assuming GN is to be taken literally in the first place. Doing so presents many problems of it’s own.

[@danieljust295]

@ Not true. You simply assume we can’t know the truth. I know God and I know he wrote us the truth. If we can’t understand Genesis then on what basis should we trust other books ? This is exactly the stet they of Satan - to debunk Genesis which is the foundation. The science bases of facts which are experiments and observations not mathematical theory. Big Bang, evolution and heliocentric systems are theory and nothing else. You can’t prove a ball of gas can sustain itself in the vacuum. You can’t prove Earth’s rotation. You can’t prove origin of mass and energy necessary for the Big Bang. If we truly revolve around the Sun and rotate then angular momentum force should constantly change trajectory off the Earth but this doesn’t happen. The direction of gravity force should constantly change since it is superposition of all gravity forces between the Earth and planets (and stars). This also is not detected. The order of creation is exactly opposite to what Big Bang, Evolutiin and heliocenttrism attempts to sell us. Heliocentrism makes possible UFO existence, the existence of extraterrestrial life, parallel universes etc and all of it taken together created illusion of God delusion. This is ultimate tool to fight with God in the hands of Satan.

[@ethanlamoureux5306]

As a scientifically minded Christian and a young earth creationist, I don't accept your flat earth theory (which is not an actual theory) because it's absurd as well as unbiblical.

[@Seer645]

Read about the evil gods in the Old Testament synopsis or a detailed account in Sumerian history. Homo Sapiens are around 200000 years old with some genetic variations depending on when they were created by the Annunaki. Please see The 5th Kind for detailed information, or read Sitchin.

[@solasauto]

You do not need proof. It's called faith for a reason. It can't be proven. Religious things can never be proven as it's just bullshit. But if you have faith, it makes it real.

[@richiejourney1840]

As this is applied to your faith as well 😂

[@ethanlamoureux5306]

Evolution and old earth geology are also part of a faith.

[@lylez00]

There is star light coming from billions of light years away from the earth. The speed of light is invariant. Therefore the universe is billions of years old.

[@dave4737]

Not so the speed of light is varied by magnetic field density so who can know the speeds

[@i7Qp4rQ]

A 'lightyear' is a unit of distance, not of time. Time can be bent, greatly by gravity. Theoretical speed of "cosmic inflation", for example, is multiple times that of the _c_ .

[@555atU]

@@lylez00 if light gets bent around an object like a sun, is the speed of light constant in such a scenario?

[@lylez00]

@@dave4737 The speed of light is invariant in a vacuum.

[@lylez00]

@@i7Qp4rQ You're throwing jello at a wall. There is no gravity causing light to travel across billions of light years in 6000 years.

[@johnnyanglo6709]

The earth is young based on the genealogies in the Bible, but it is not as young as Archbishop Ussher's incorrect method of determining the biblical genealogies. His mistake is not understanding that the "begats" in most instances, are not direct lineages. God provides the information needed to accurately determine the age of the earth, the date of the Flood, and most every important biblical event. Unfortunately, the "young earth" proponents who use the Bible rely on the erroneous work of Ussher rather than the Bible itself. Direct lineage is like this: Adam Year 0 Seth born Year 130 Enosh born Year 235 Kenan born Year 325 Mahalalel born Year 395 Jared born Year 460 Enoch born Year 622 Methuselah born Year 687 Lamech born Year 874 Noah born Year 1056 They would say, Adam was created and lived 130 years, Seth was born, and Seth lived 105 years and Enosh was born, and Enosh lived 90 years and Kenan was born, and then Enosh lived 815 more years and died (at 905 years old). Kenan lived 70 years and Mahalalel was born. Mahalalel lived 65 years and Jared was born. Jared lived 162 years and Enoch was born. Enoch lived 65 years and Methuselah was born. Methuselah lived 187 years and Lamech was born. Lamech lived 182 years and Noah was born. This is incorrect. For those interested in the subject, the correct lineage is provided below (in several pages). The upshot is, God provides the age of each calendar reference patriarch when the ancestor was born who would become the progenitor of the next calendar reference patriarch (the next person in the godly line born in the year the current patriarch dies). For example, when Enosh is 90 years old, the ancestor (unnamed) who would be the progenitor of the next calendar reference patriarch was born. In Enosh's case, that person was born when Enosh was 90. Enosh then lived 815 more years and died. When Enosh died, Kenan was born. Kenan is not a direct lineage to Enosh. But Kenan has a lineage back through those 815 years to the person who was born when Enosh was 90 years old. That unnamed person (not named because it is not important) is referenced during the life of Enosh because that unnamed person's ancestors will produce the baby Kenan born in the year Enosh dies. What is the purpose of all this? God did this so there would be a calendar to reference to base on the ages of the sequential patriarchs. It would be easy to relay information by saying, "Remember when that city was built in the year 775 of Enosh?" They could answer, "It was a bigger city than the one built in the 96th year of Enosh." "Sure was, but in the 876 year of Methuselah that city was destroyed." In other words, each person listed, besides being in the godly line that leads to the Messiah, each person listed acts as date references. Plus, it provides a way for us to work backward from known dates (such as the entry into Canaan and arrive at the date of the Flood and Creation. God provided the means. Unfortunately, most Christians refuse to hear what God is telling them. The correct lineage is indirect, like this: Adam is created Year 0 11,013 BC Seth is born Year 130 (Adam is 130) 10,883 BC Enosh is born Year 235 (Seth is 105) 10,778 BC Kenan's ancestor born Year 325 (when Enosh is 90) 10,688 BC *****Enosh lives 815 more years and dies****** ****Adam dies**** Year 930 9,758 BC ****Seth dies**** Year 1042 9,776 BC Kenan is born Year 1140 (the year that Enosh died) 9,873 BC Mahalalel's ancestor born Year 1210 (when Kenan is 70) 9,803 BC *****Kenan lives 840 more years and dies***** Mahalaleel is born Year 2050 8,963 BC Jared's ancestor born Year 2115 (when Mahalaleel is 65) 8,898 BC *****Mahalaleel lives 830 more years and dies***** Jared is born Year 2945 8,068 BC Enoch's ancestor born Year 3107 (when Jared is 162) 7,906 BC *****Jared lives 800 more years and dies****** Enoch is born Year 3907 7,106 BC Methuselah’s ancestor is born Year 3972 (when Enoch is 65) 7,041 BC *****Enoch lives 300 more years and dies****** Methuselah is born Year 4272 (Enoch taken at 365) 6,741 BC Lamech's ancestor born Year 4459 (Methuselah is 187) 6,554 BC *****Methuselah lives 782 more years and dies****** Lamech is born Year 5241 (Methuselah is 969) 5,772 BC Noah is born Year 5423 (Lamech is 182) 5,590 BC ****Ham born to Noah**** Year 5923 (Noah is 500) 5,090 BC ****Shem born to Noah**** Year 5925 (Noah is 502) 5,092 BC ****Lamech dies at 777 years old**** Year 6018 4,995 BC ***Global Flood***(lasted 1yr 10 days)*** Year 6023 (Noah 600, Shem 98) 4,990 BC Arpachshad’s ancestor born 2 yrs. after Flood Year 6025 (Shem is 100) 4,988 BC ***Noah lives 350 years after the Flood and dies*** Year 6373 4,640 BC ***Shem lives 502 more yrs from Flood/500 years from Arpachshad’s ancestor*** Arpachshad is born Year 6525 (Shem is 600) 4,488 BC Shelah's ancestor is born Year 6560 (Arpachshad 35) 4,453 BC ****Arpachshad lives 403 more years and dies**** Shelah is born Year 6963 (Arpachshad is 438) 4,050 BC Eber's ancestor is born Year 6993 (Shelah is 30) 4,020 BC *****Shelah lives 403 more years and dies***** Eber is born Year 7396 (Shelah is 438) 3,617 BC Peleg’s ancestor is born Year 7430 (Eber is 34) 3,583 BC *****Eber lives 430 more years and dies****** Peleg is born Year 7860 (Eber is 464) 3,153 BC Reu’s ancestor is born Year 7890 (Peleg is 30) 3,123 BC *****Peleg lives 209 more years and dies***** Reu is born Year 8099 (Peleg is 239) 2,914 BC Serug’s ancestor is born Year 8131 (Reu is 32) 2,882 BC *****Reu lives 207 more years and dies****** Serug is born Year 8338 (Reu is 239) 2,675 BC Nahor’s ancestor is born Year 8368 (Serug is 30) 2,645 BC *****Serug lives 200 more years and dies***** Nahor is born Year 8568 (Serug is 230) 2,445 BC Terah’s ancestor is born Year 8597 (Nahor is 29) 2,416 BC *****Nahor lives 119 more years and dies***** Terah is born Year 8716 (Nahor is 148) 2,297 BC Haran then Nahor are born starting in 8786 Year 8786 (Terah is 70) 2,227 BC *****Abram is born***** Year 8846 (Terah is 130) 2,167 BC Abram to Haran (same year Terah dies at 205) Year 8921 (Abram is 75) 2,087 BC ****Ishmael is born**** Year 8932 (Abram is 86) 2,081 BC Abraham circumcised Year 8945 (Abram is 99) 2,068 BC ****Isaac is born**** Year 8946 (Abram is 100) 2,067 BC ****Jacob is born**** (Isaac is 60) Year 9006 (Abram is 160) 2,007 BC Abraham dies Year 9021 (Abram is 175) 1,992 BC ****Joseph is born**** Year 9097(Jacob is 91) 1,916 BC Continued below . . .

[@johnnyanglo6709]

From above . . . Sesostris II begins reign over Egypt Year 9106 (reigns 19 yrs.) 1907 BC Pharaoh Sesostris III reigns. Restores butler. Year 9125 (reigns 39 yrs.) 1,888 BC ****Isaac dies**** (dies in Hebron at 180) Year 9126 1,887 BC Joseph released from prison (7 yrs. of plenty starts) Year 9127 (Mar/Apr start) 1,886 BC Joseph made prime minister of Egypt Year 9127 (Joseph is 30) 1,886 BC 7 yrs. of plenty ends / 7 yrs. of famine begins Year 9134 (Mar/Apr) 1879 BC Jacob enters Egypt (Jacob is 130, Isaac is 190) Year 9136 (Mar/Apr arrival) 1,877 BC ****Jacob dies**** (dies in Egypt at 147) Year 9153 1,860 BC Sesostris III dies. Amenemhet III reigns Year 9174 1,850 BC Joseph dies (80 yrs. after made prime minister) Year 9209 1,806 BC Amenemhet III dies (ruled 48 years) Year 9213 1,802 BC Amenemhet IV reigns (ruled 9 years) Year 9213 1,802 BC Amenemhet IV dies (Sebeknefrure reigns 4 yrs.) Year 9224 1,791 BC Sebeknefrure dies (Egypt is weak. Hyksos rule) Year 9228 1,787 BC Ahmose I reigns (ends Hebrew political power) Year 9435 1,580 BC Amenhotep I rules Egypt (consolidates power) Year 9455 1,560 BC Thutmose I reigns (Jews are threat w/ war in Nubia) Year 9475 1,540 BC Makere-Hatshepsut is Thutmose I daughter. Her mother is Ahmose ***Aaron is born*** Year 9485 1,530 BC Hatshepsut receives baby Moses from Nile Year 9488 (Moses is born) 1,527 BC Hatshepsut begins reign w/ Thutmose III Year 9514 (Moses is 26) 1,501 BC Moses kills an Egyptian (flees Egypt) Year 9528 1,487 BC Hatshepsut dies (Moses returns from Midian) Year 9534 (Thutmose III reigns) 1,481 BC Hebrew Exodus from Egypt (430 years later) Year 9566 (Mar/Apr depart) 1,447 BC ****Thutmose III dies in Red Sea**** Year 9566 (Moses is 80) 1,447 BC Amenhotep II rules (son was co-regent 4 months) Year 9566 (Israel has left) 1,447 BC Amenhotep II dies (rules 25 years) Year 9591 1,422 BC Israel’s entrance into Canaan Year 9606 (Moses dies at 120) 1,407 BC Joshua and Othniel deliver Israel 40 years 9606-9646 1407-1367 BC Ehud and Shamgar deliver Israel 80 years 9646-9726 1367-1287 BC ***Rameses II starts reign in Egypt*** 9734 1,279 BC Deborah and Barak deliver Israel 40 years 9726-9766 1287-1247 BC Gideon judged 40 years 9766-9806 1247-1207 BC ***Rameses II dies*** (reigned 67 years) 9801 (Merneptah rules) 1212 BC **Gideon dies and his seventy sons are murdered by his son Abimelech** 1207 BC Abimelech ruled 3 years 9806-9809 1207-1204 BC Tola judged 23 years 9809-9832 1204-1181 BC Jair judged 22 years 9832-9854 1181-1159 BC Jephthah judged 6 years 9854-9860 1159-1153 BC Ibzan judged 7 years 9860-9867 1153-1146 BC Elon judged 10 years 9867-9877 1146-1136 BC Abdon judged 8 years 9877-9885 1136-1128 BC Samson judged 20 years 9885-9905 1128-1108 BC Eli judged 40 years (Eli is 58) 9905-9945 1108-1068 BC Ark in Philistines’ hands 7 months 9945-9946 1068-1067 BC Samuel judged 20 years 9946-9966 1067-1047 BC Saul reigned as king 40 years 9966-10,006 1047-1007 BC David reigned as king 40 years 10,006-10,046 1007-967 BC Foundation of Temple laid (year David died) Year 10,046 967 BC Solomon reigned as king 40 years 10,046-10,086 971-931 BC Solomon’s Temple construction begins Year 10,046 967 BC Division of Kingdom at death of Solomon Year 10,082 931 BC

[@hans.stein.]

Interesting concept. When Jacob enters Israel, Isaac had already died. (Would have been [not was] 190 years old.) It was 400 years from Issac being harassed until the Exodus, and 430 years from Abram entering the land to God's covenant with Israel at the mountain in Arabia (Hagar/Hedjaz). Kainan was the son of Arpaxshad, Shelach the son of Kainan. (Remains debatable, though. Even the conjectured manuscript omission of Luke seems not to stand scrutiny.) More important, though: The Rabbis reduced the (begetting) ages of the fathers by 100 years each (Nahor's by 50) to make it appear Melchizedek was Shem (against office of Highpriest of Messiah, comp. Hebrews and Psalms). Similar changes were made to the patriarchs before the flood. Compare Flavius Josephus and Eusebius and Septuagint. (The last have an error in number regarding Methuselah.) Your concept seems to be in a certain tension with the Table of Nations in Genesis 10.

[@richiejourney1840]

Thank you. No system is without it’s problems though. But I agree…there is huge problem with the genealogies. They can just be figurative in the first place.

[@richiejourney1840]

I love this timeline though.

[@knowme4iam326]

Stop. This is getting sad.

[@eddyvos2628]

What is ?

[@knowme4iam326]

@eddyvos2628 there is a small contingent of Bible literlists that continues to push young earth. It's just not so. Twisting and arguing to make myths fit evidence is sooooo dumb and dangerous

[@knowme4iam326]

@eddyvos2628 Trying to convince people the earth is 6k old

[@knowme4iam326]

@eddyvos2628 If you believe in the Bible at least say metaphor

[@ralphmck6369]

You really showed your total lack of scientific understanding! BTW, 1.6Km is 1 mile, not 3 - you even got that wrong! I'm a serious creationist and I understand that God created the Earth and all that's in it, on a geological timescale. "A thousand ages in Thy sight are like an evening gone" Twisting the science of ice cores to suit your preconceived illogical timescale just makes you look very foolish and naïve.

[@CHE-Undercover]

I have to disagree. Historically, the climate was stable. However, the flood did irreversible damage to our ecosystem with many species going extinct afterwards. It's clear that the ecology regulates the environment, and with most species going extinct, we are heading towards a cataclysmic change. I don't believe mans greenhouse gas releases account for much of a difference although I'm sure they do some, that's canceled out by the increase in plants that thrive in high CO2 environments and converted all back to oxygen. However, given everything else, eventually the system is going to collapse resulting in apocalyptic weather. But as Christians I think we would recognize this as the tribulation. No one knows when it is but it is clear that the ecosystem and weather are becoming more unstable

[@NateWilliams190]

The coldest decade on record is the 1930s. Over 100°, 90°, & 80° days have been declining since the 1930s. Acreage burned & weather related deaths have been declining since the 1930s. Nothing unusual is occurring with the climate. Tony Heller's realclimatescience here on KZbin is all about the data. No one pays him anything for what he does. He's a data guy. He was the data guy on IBM's team that developed the CPU.

[@garrygraham]

@@NateWilliams190 I think you meant to say the hottest decade, not the coldest. And that was only for the 20th century. There were equally hot and even hotter periods prior to the 20th century.

[@garrygraham]

Ecosystems do not regulate the 'environment' (did you mean 'climate'?). They adapt to changes imposed on them. They are not the cause, but the effect of geographical and climatic changes. The Flood changed the world's geography and thus created new climate zones to which ecosystems subsequently established themselves in response through adaptation. Natural climate change has occurred since the Flood, such the ice age and various cyclic ups and downs in climate parameters since, including changing sea levels and atmospheric/oceanic circulation patterns. As a result, ecosystems have been undergoing periods of stasis and flux for several millennia. For example, Australia's inland was once wet and temperate but is now arid desert zones. Both times, there were healthy ecosystems but each was very different to the other.

[@CHE-Undercover]

@@garrygraham Yes ecosystems play a very large role in regulating the environment. However much CO2 we think we produce, And however much we think we affect the system, the ecosystem affects it a thousand times more. The more CO2 we produce the more trees eat, the more trees grow. Mass plankton die-offs have more effect on the weather than humans.

[@BarnabyRudge-sx3pb]

What flood? There is no evidence whatsoever for a world-wide flood.

[@Glop1177]

The oldest continuous ice core ever taken is about 800 thousand years of winter. I think that fact disproves a Young Earth.

[@christophercoupe5006]

No ice core is 800,000 yrs old! First of all the "experts" are counting ice bands as being a year. Since when is a glacier a tree where rings represent a year? Every ice core band is a snowstorm not a year. The snow in every snow storm is unique because temperatures are different. Some storm are warm producing larger softer snowflakes than colder storms. WW2 airplanes sank 75m in 50 years so do the math on a 3km thick glacier and it isn't 800,000 yrs!

[@beestoe993]

Wrong. That "assumes" that each layer = one summer and one winter. All it takes to make layers in ice cores is warmer weather interspersed with snowfall. Such layers can be observed by anyone in a single month of snowfall! Of all of the bad old Earth dating methods ice cores are probably the least reliable. And that is saying something.

[@Glop1177]

@beestoe993 actually it assumes that people trained to examine ice cores are more knowledgeable about ice cores than you are. Is your background in arrogance?

[@beestoe993]

@@Glop1177 So you admit it is based on assumptions. Is your background in ignorance?

[@NateWilliams190]

​@@Glop1177 Most American adults know how to count.

[@anttisalminen1110]

Noah never happened, flood or not!

[@brianlove8413]

And you know this how?

[@KenJackson_US]

Open your eyes and look at the sediment.

[@anttisalminen1110]

Creatonist scientist???

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

@@KenJackson_US *Open your eyes and look at the sediment.* OK I did. Where is your evidence all sediment was deposited by the same one-year event only 4500 years ago? We have lots of evidence for thousands of *local* floods over the last 500 million years depositing sediment but no evidence of *one recent global* Flood.

[@davidcammack8625]

@anttisalminen1110 And yet so many nations have an ancient apocalyptic-flood-sent-by-a-god story that they have passed down and regard as a true history. Hmm. Perhaps they were all simply wrong just because that's your opinion. Hmm.

[@jasonxoc]

I don’t understand this need for creationists to hold a young earth position. The bible doesn’t say anything about the age of the earth. It says God created everything in 6 days but the idea of a “day” to God is outside of our understanding. It’s so silly, they try to tell scientists they’re wrong about this stuff. You have to do eisegesis to assert that the earth is so many years old from a biblical perspective.

[@RedefineLiving]

“I don’t know what a day is”, great argument bud.

[@lenny5312]

I don’t agree: yield ground only when forced to. Let people make their point, and if it could be debunked then so be it.

[@RedefineLiving]

@@newcreationinchrist1423 GTSY brother. Keep pressing these critics!

[@mtl6149]

@@jasonxoc I know what you mean. There has been an argument about how God did it (old vs young) even back in the days before Jesus came. Science can't disproven or prove either it's just data. There is a multitude of evidence for youth all over the universe. There are of course augments for an old universe as well, but if you take the Bible literally it doesn't indicate a young universe. Darwinism is not statistically possible in many areas, and I think the old earth theory just kinda gets thrown out with Darwinism. I do believe in a young earth, but I don't think we should throw out the old earth creation theory entirely as we do with Darwinism.

[@Dragonflypsk]

@jasonxoc Creationists need to hold a young earth position because: 1. Old earth scientists pack their measurements with a ton of assumptions all centered around the earth being very old, so they calibrate their dating in such a way that it returns very old numbers to fit their preconceptions. This isn't science, this is starting with an assumption and then setting out to prove it. 2. Sin and death was introduced after creation. According to the Bible, death only entered the world when Adam and Eve sinned. To say the Earth is billions of years old, and that billions of creatures lived and died before humans goes against that, so to believe the evolutionary timeline is to disagree with the biblical account, which is not simply a different interpretation of what makes a "day". 3. Evolutionay origin of life cannot be proved. Evolutionists have been trying to prove their belief for decades, and they have nothing to show for it. To date, they still haven't even been able to create a single precursor to life (in natural conditions), and contrary to what they claim, time is not on their side. Even if a precursor to life did spontaneously form, they quickly break down over time.

[@AENDT]

Proof for the flood first.

[@RedefineLiving]

Sedimentary layers laid down hydrological indicative of a global catastrophe are all over the Earth. These layers forming are demonstrable and repeatable in a water flume.

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

@@RedefineLiving There is zero evidence all the strata layers on Earth were deposited by the same one-year event only 4400 years ago. There is a huge amount of geologic evidence they were not deposited in the same event.

[@RedefineLiving]

@ cool story, but I can point you to demonstratable and repeatable experiments which adjectively show these layers were laid down hydrological. Providing a rebuttal that consists of some fantasy of millions of years is not science.

[@Glop1177]

​@@RedefineLivingyou must not understand how hydrological sorting works

[@RedefineLiving]

@ do you know what it means to be demonstrable?

[@ScrewdriverTUNING]

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@RCGC01]

Look at gugle earth and look at the lower sea shelves around all continents. Ocean waters where lower at on time. Earth was hit by astroid and moved away from the sun causing much colder climates and ice formed around most of the earth. Each year the earth moves closer to the sun by 6 inches causing more warmth to earth causing ice to melt. This happened 5-6 thousand years ago. Makes sense right?

[@matthewstokes1608]

The Bible is the word.of God - and God never lies. Some of us have total faith that you, too, will all work it out at some point. If the Bible tells us God worked a day - just roll with it - you have all you need to know and all any man will ever know - by Design.

[@booneyscb]

No!

[@beestoe993]

Forget about the asteroid. If the Bible is correct (and I believe it is) then it stands to reason that the breaking up of the super Continent AND continental "drift" were the result of the flood. As such, the world has been in a constant warming state for more than 4000 years. No earth shift away from the Sun required.

[@garrygraham]

Yes, seal levels were lower in the past. But that was during the ice age. Everything else you said is wrong.

[@astan6445]

My quick search pulled out this data in a few seconds. 26 ice cores: A research team took ice cores from 19 different sites across Antarctica to measure sulfate aerosols, a byproduct of volcanic eruptions. This is just one team in the Antarctic looking at one facet. So the number of six is not true. Please people, do your own research.

[@dennisshaday7190]

I believe the video referred to 6 ice core drilling of 3000 m. Not ice cores in general.

[@astan6445]

That would be more accurate. However, what I find with these guys is that they use a statement which is true but it is said in such a way that it gives a different impression to the listener. The majority of people will have got the impression just as I did that there is a lack of data. If they are then questioned about it they can pull out the explanation you have given. I have a Christian friend who does this a lot. He is an amazing leader and pastor but over the years I have learned to think twice about everything he says. There are no lies but a lot of misdirection. I listen to quite a few of these presentations wondering if there really is clear evidence for a young Earth. It would be amazing if true. Sadly I can't come to that conclusion but I keep an open mind. I have worked with Bill Craig and Josh Mcdowell in my crusade days and we put on talks apologetic lectures. I went on to a PhD in biochemistry and then teaching Chemistry. Now that I am medically retired and have a lot of time when I can't do much, I have a chance to research anything I like. The reason I comment on these videos is that I don't want Christians to use poor evidence in their witness. Scientists are not fools. They may be selfish and biased as we all are but they constantly question what they see. For sure they change their views and things they said are proven turn out not to be so. However, if you talk in detail with most scientists they will share openly the questions they have. It tends to be the media which makes things black and white. It is relatively easy to cast doubt on a four plus billion year old earth and to find inconsistencies in dating. However, to make us reinterpret the six thousand year creation model we only need to show that some things are more than six thousand years old and maybe four thousand if we only have post flood stuff. This would include things like DNA degradation rates, chemical changes, luminescence studies, tree ring data, deposition layers and a multitude of isotopic analyses.