Eric Hovind meets James Randi

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Eric Hovind and Sye Ten Bruggencate have a short conversation with James Randi. See if you can catch him saying that two plus two equals 5. ;)

[@fidelmontoya]

James Randi owned TWO evangelists in under 5 minutes. Sweeeeeet!!!

[@kainfletcher4716]

It's funny how most religious types are hypocrites and liers

[@phizzelout]

@Donnie Jacks ... no excuse at all

[@religionisevil8850]

He didn't just own them. He pulverized them, shredded them, and cremated their remains. RIP hero.

[@CristiNeagu]

James Randi, sir... my hat off to you. It's about time someone told Eric Hovind he has the reasoning skills of a child.

[@jeffreyp1855]

I don't think either one of these guys could even debate with a child, it would end with "because I said so!" Which is basically Sye's go to argument after a couple minutes into a debate when he starts losing anyway!

[@CristiNeagu]

Jeffrey Paul There actually is a video where Eric gets his ass kicked by a 6 year old with some really good questions. There is one point where the kid turns Eric's argument against him, and you can hear crickets. What a doofus.

[@jeffreyp1855]

Cristi Neagu Yeah, I watched it, it was pretty funny! The kid's father was debating Eric, if it's the same one.

[@CristiNeagu]

Jeffrey Paul It's the same one. I haven't seen the part where the father debated Eric, but the kid part looked like a Q and A at the end of the debate.

[@rcchristian2]

+Cristi Neagu Hoving tries to trap Randi in his juvenile circular argument. He thinks he smart because he thinks he's found a way to trap some scientists in this circular argument, because they believe in the scientific method, but yet there is always some small doubt about being 100%. We can never be 100%, but the evidence can make it almost a certainty. Then he gets the other guy to try to continue the argument in another circular way... Randi obviously didn't know who they were.... What a dishonest person Eric Hovind is.

[@gothickmagos]

James Randi realised that he's dealing with a bunch of imbeciles and refused to continue. Cudos, sir.

[@ghiiitrooper9861]

"You're using your reasoning to validate your reasoning."- Says the guy who uses the bible to justify the bible.

[@JohnDoe-ni9zm]

Funny thing is that we(a-religious) don't even use reasoning to validate reasoning, we use evidence for that. Check the post I just submitted :)

[@ghiiitrooper9861]

Alright, I'm intrigued. But I'm still getting used to this Google+ nonsense. Could you just copy/paste it here?

[@JohnDoe-ni9zm]

ghiiitrooper Here it is: "The last gentleman asks James Randi: What is the evidence that your reason is valid? How do you know your reasoning is valid? drum rolls Evidence! If someone uses reason to figure out something they don't know, they will get a certain result. If this result matches up with reality, we can safely assume that the reasoning used to solve the problem is valid. We say we have evidence that the reasoning is valid because what we predicted has actually happened. And it is proven again and again. For example the way objects fall on earth, if you drop an object with a mass of 1 kg from 1 meter height, you can predict exactly how long it would take for the object to hit the ground. You can predict it using the scientific formulas which are derived by reasoning and validated by evidence (evidence being the fact that what is measured/observed matches up exactly with what was predicted). So when the last gentleman in the video asked what the evidence was for Randi's reasoning to be valid, he basically answered his own question: Evidence makes reasoning valid. Oh by the way, is there any evidence for God?"

[@ghiiitrooper9861]

John Doe Ah, I thought that you said you were "religious" instead of "a-religious". That makes sense, of course we use evidence!

[@Guthix198]

@@ghiiitrooper9861 so you use your senses to tell you your senses are telling you the truth and that it is in fact reality you have a vicious cycle with no end also your whole world view is self defeating non sense while you postulate you are only after wisdom and reasoning lol.

[@tedtrash]

5:18 "Does God exist? God himself says . . . ." Face palm.

[@deluth4638]

Ha! I thought this was on an atheist's channel. Why, in God's name, would you put this logic failure on the internet like it helps your cult's case? You owe Christians an apology for posting this travesty of a conversation.

[@RandallStevenson]

the bible is not proof, move along

[@ppatrick1a1]

I think the bible is evidence of stupidity. How else do you account for people accepting literal interpretations of fairy tales from a bronze-age book?

[@meusana3681]

You mean; A book written by unchecked scribes in the iron age (when being able to write was worthy of a profession), is not proof .

[@et6597]

@@ppatrick1a1 Hey the bible isn't stupid rather it's words are alive. Sir the bible has two testaments the first is the old testament which shows that we are in need of a savior through the ten commandments. For instance, if you lied you're a liar if you've stolen your a thief, if you used Gods name in vain you would be punished by death because you're using the holy name of God as a curse word or as a disgust which will make you a lying, thieving, and a blasphemer. The new testament tells us how we can be saved from the punishment we deserve. 2000 years ago Jesus Christ of Nazareth came into this world to suffer and die for our sins on the cross. Now you might know that, but you might not know this before Jesus died he said three words ''it is finished''. So all you have to do is repent which means to turn away from your sins and confess it to God and you can do that by trusting in Christ alone.

[@thanushaanyoga2698]

@@et6597 Evidence

[@et6597]

@@thanushaanyoga2698 My friend history is my proof and all those witnesses of the resurrection of Jesus.

[@j-r-m7775]

3:54 Eric: Sye help me. This guy knows 1 plus 1 is two and he says he can't possibly be wrong. What do I do?

[@craignicklin4573]

lol

[@dookiemookie9841]

They make the claim Randy was using circular reasoning and then end the video by posting a quote from God saying he exists because he says he exists... which is the most obvious form of circular reasoning.... too funny!

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

Yes, the difference is his worldview (Eric's) allows him to know things. Your worldview does not, so you'd be forced to borrow from Eric's worldview to claim to know anything. And by doing so, you'd be admitting his worldview is truth.

[@mickjames7962]

It's only circular reasoning if the source of the text is just from a human, but if it indeed is from a supernatural creator God like the text claims, then it is by definition not circular reasoning. The question is, was the text inspired through human hands by a divine supernatural intelligence? Then you'll know if it is indeed circular reasoning or not.

[@nxh2897]

​@@lightbeforethetunnel how do you know gods not lying about everything he said?

[@kimtate2285]

@@nxh2897 so what if He is….doesn’t negate his existence 🤷‍♀️

[@nxh2897]

@@kimtate2285 right but it completely destroyes their argument about being able to 'know' things because then they would be using their own personal reasoning and logic, which they now CANT trust because their god is capable of lying. so in essence, they cant know absolute truth which they claim to know. they use this argument as a justification to 'know' 100% that what the bible says is true. it is a flawed argument

[@JoelJoel321]

"You can't justify your reasoning. Therefore it logically follows that we can know for certain that the creator of the universe is the iron age war god of the ancient Hebrews, who became incarnate in the form of a carpenter 2000 years ago and sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself so that he does not have to force himself to eternally punish us for failing to live up to standards that he knew in advance that we would fail to satisfy." - Christian logic.

[@Mynameisnumber5]

What's wrong with that? That seems to make sense. Doesn't everyone come to that conclusion?

[@JoelJoel321]

Seems that way. :)

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Bronze Age* Iron is Yahweh's Kryptonite, remember? Judges 1:19

[@dredoc1]

They got offended by their argument being called childish, and that is proof they won the argument.. ..now thats childish..

[@bakednamaste3681]

"Does God exist? God himself said that he exists in Exodus 3 14..." I can't stop laughing at that! I can't tell if this stuff is serious or comedy anymore.

[@lolkartes21]

And then: buy our DVD! Because religion would not be religion if no-one would gain from it.

[@sh6843]

The most convincing evidence for the existence of god. Ever.

[@gibbytravis]

1. 2 + 2 = 4 2. You know that this is true. 3. You cannot know anything unless God has revealed it to you. 4. Therefore God exists. Does anyone really find this argument convincing? Do they not understand how to test whether 2 + 2 = 4? My mind is blown at the epic stupidity of this argument. The third premise is false.

[@JoeyVOV]

The outro to this video is possibly the most stupid thing I have ever heard.

[@crazyphysicsguy]

James Randi is like Yoda, old and wise.

[@bobbybobson7175]

The last dummy should look up the scientific method and understand what peer review is. We don't leave things to one person's reasoning.

[@EdGloss]

This is why Randi is awesome. He said it best at the end when he declared that it's juvenile. Very few people, even the hard core crazies, accept Sye's argument. It's nonsense and noise and we need to stop paying attention to him. We have real things about which to worry and he's a waste of time.

[@bassbaine]

wow... what an answer "this is juvenile". Exactly what that question deserves. Good for you Randi

[@TheMeerkat88]

2:18 Amazing Randy: "I know lots of things. 2 + 2 is 4. I know 2 + 3 is 5. I could go on forever like this" hahahahahaha.... Amazing Randy, folks! Love this guy

[@mrtoodamngoodtoyou]

Wow. Hovind is pathetic. How sad these people are.

[@ahmad1080p]

James Randi is just amazing

[@DieterGribnitz]

For two people claiming access to absolute knowledge, they don't seem to know anything about anything.

[@hawaiisidecar]

The evidence that his reasoning is valid is because it fits with reality.

[@Stevofxx]

Our reasoning is validated by its continual success and production of results. When this is not satisfied, we titavate our methodologies to further facilitate results. Examples of such results would be modern technologies and scientific advancement; who would dispute this? I have no idea how the existence of a bronze age deity has any bearing on reasoning; their argument is a non sequidor.

[@EdStrings]

James Randi, and Bad Religion playing in the background awesome, to bad Eric Hovind ruined this video lol

[@7891Kman]

These same questions can be applied to religious beliefs. How do you know the Bible is inspired or is the word of God? How can you prove it without taking it on its word in hopes that it is God. You can't so you try to use your beliefs, which can also be wrong and most likely is. The scientific method has a process to achieve knowledge and to wash out inaccuracies as best as possible. Religion has no such process and the standards are far weaker than science's standards. Science has a certain confidence in their claims because it's tested or observed to support their claims. Religion is the hope that something is real without the support to back it up.

[@KimjeffersonUS]

THIS IS KZbin!!!!! *kicks eric hovind in the pit

[@SM-Flyers]

If knowledge is proof that god exists then is the existence of stupid people proof that he does not exist?

[@drstrangelove09]

Randi rocks!!!

[@Z4r4sz]

What kind of reasoning could one use to validate his reasonin? The only reasoning we have available. If you dont use it, you are unreasonable. Like sye and eric. They start with a fallacy and use another fallacy to attempt to debunk logic. But James didnt fall for it. Good one :)

[@Max2000b]

"You test your reasoning using your reasoning." Reason(def): The power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgments by the process of logic. This guy essentially just said "You test your ability to think by thinking, your ability to understand by understanding. You test your ability to form judgements using logic by forming judgments using logic." This is either a nonsensical statement or a trivial one.

[@Z4r4sz]

Max, its eric hovind. Do you expect anything reasonable from him?

[@grengd]

Pointless questions deserve only pointless answers.

[@Murrangurk2]

Why do they ask him the same question, after he answered it, over and over again, and get all excited when he quits them?

[@juicer67]

Popeye said "I am what I am," but does he really exist?

[@eusouramiro]

5:23 - Does God exist? - well, "GOD himself says it in Exodus".. lol.. They use their own fabricated evidence to back themselves up.

[@freetinkerer3878]

That was embarrassing. James Randy came across so humble, yet firm and likable.

[@thefurryfile999]

Also, to any christian out there that buys into sye's bullshit, ask yourself this. How do you know god is actually good? You use reasoning to make that assumption. Or if your preacher told you, he used his reasoning, or if someone told him, whoever told him used reasoning, etc, etc. Even if it goes back to god telling moses himself he was good, there's no reasoning given to justify god's claim he is good. For all moses knew he could have been talking to an advanced alien who mastered telepathy and thought projection to make him think he was seeing a burning bush and make him feel the fire as cold. The fact remains a desert slave wouldn't know any different. And since in the end all you have is someone telling you something and you just being expected to believe it without question, we atheists deconverted from our respective religions, and why we encourage you to do the same.

[@edcastilloromo]

This dude is a one trick pony...and...isnt he in prison? LOL

[@shtupping]

No, you're thinking of his dad who is a convicted felon currently serving a 10 year sentence for various fraud and tax evasion charges (58 counts!). His son, Eric is terrible at public speaking but his dad had to hand the Hovind empire over to someone. Eric benefited from the millions his dad bilked out of credulous Christians, and like his dad he also seems to have no scruples.

[@adeleking9852]

Ivo This is wrong, you haven't done your homework on Kent Hovind. They broke around 20 laws to put him in jail. This is how the world works, when someone is doing a really good job exposing lies, which actually bilk people out of their money and make them into slaves, they find a way to put them in jail, it is a historical pattern. Galileo and Copernicus, who were bible reading men, who said the earth is not flat, were under threat from the Catholic church and Galileo was put under house arrest. This is usually when these men create their finest literary work as they are highly motivated to really work for truth while in jail.

[@shtupping]

Adele King Aha! You are BUSTED! 1) I have done my homework on that cheat and there are *many* easily obtained public sources available to you as well. 2) Kent Hovind was convicted on 58 felony counts. He is a criminal and, fortunately, behind bars where he belongs. 3) Judging by your deliberate attempt to deceive, I suspect you are a sock puppet of either Kent Hovind or his son, Eric Hovind (a distant second place to Kent in the shyster-oration skills, but he's trying very hard to carry on the family tradition of dishonesty). 4) He hung himself with his unfettered greed and has no one to blame but his own avaricious self. 5) It is absurd for you to mention Galileo and Copernicus in any of this. Next you will compare it to the Holocaust. Hovind already did that (or should I say "you already did that" or maybe, "your dad did that") in a public statement). 6) When he is finally released, I suspect his following will have dwindled substantially. The remaining adherents shall heretofore be referred to as: Kent Hovind's tax on the very credulous. 7) This is precisely how a just world is supposed to work. It doesn't always, but in this case they have a reprehensible wolf wearing an orange ape suit. Quite appropriate for that charlatan. 8) Kent Hovind is not the martyr he's desperately trying to posture for; he is a criminal who harms young minds.

[@Jholladay10]

Hats off to this channel for not disabling comments on this video.

[@Ozzyman200]

Hovind destroyed again.

[@Mrbfgray]

Exodus 3: 14! Why didn't we think of that!!! What else could we possibly need to know?

[@JustAGuy85]

LOL

[@zawarudowryyyyyy]

Matt Dillahunty had a similar joke on the Atheist Experience when mocking people who use John 3:16 as some sort of argument. "Oh, of course! 'For God so loved the world he gave his only son, that whoever should believe in him should not perish but have eternal life'! Wow, how could I have been so wrong! What was I thinking this entire time? It's so obvious!"

[@tannerabel6580]

"This is very juvenile."

[@seismicdrop78]

The best part of this video was Bad Religion playing in the background, cause the rest of it was terrible. If this is the best you creationists can put up, then I think this argument is pretty much over. How can I validate my reasoning? By observing the results of my reasoning. Harassing an 80 year old man with semantic tapdancing isn't exactly the best way to prove anything. Moresoover, I'd like to know what makes a Christian presuppositionalist different from a Muslim presuppositionalist, and why one is right and one is wrong. In fact, presuppositionalism isn't even an argument, since the exact same formula can be argued for the existence of literally anything. Sye Ten Bruggencate regularly gets his ass handed to him on a silver platter when he finds his way into a respectable debate. AronRa, Matt Dillahunty, you name it. James Randi, as much as I respect him, is not a theological debater. He's a skeptic, and trying your philosophical baiting with him is borderline offensive. Again, if presuppositionalism is the best you can offer, then I think we can write you off as grasping at straws now. We've got logic and reason on our side, you've got the denial that logic and reason exist on yours. I'll let that speak for itself.

[@crap91234]

Man. Harassing James Randi like that not only makes them look stupid, it is just low.

[@SideBerner]

I find it funny that Sye and Eric think that their reasoning and logic is verified because of some unknown invisible all powerful sky wizard. Yet they have no way to verify this. Its nothing more than a baseless assertion, that they could never verify. Eric usually tries to counter that with, "God can not lie, therefore everything he says is true", which is exactly what a liar would say.

[@JohnSmith-dl9to]

Presuppositional apologetics: We can't be absolutely certain about everything. Therefore God, Jesus, Moses, Flood, Talking Snakes and Donkeys.... Makes sense to me!

[@tacotilko6862]

A baby could see how dumb Eric's argument is.

[@DiscordC]

this interview was unfair, james was out numbered, and the and erics friend ambushed james during the interview. this is not good and very biased tactics.

[@JacquesduPlessis11]

+Discord And even then - they still couldn't crack Randi. He answered them just as they should be answered. We can know things that are defined, because that is how we define them. That is the end of their tactic. And when Sye goes how do you know your reasoning is valid you answer just as Randi said - we test it. Sye then asserts God and it is up to him to prove God.

[@benjaminvasquez5826]

Discord ... And still James Randi was just awesome, and debunk those idiots with pure logic, and valid arguments.

[@darkenrahl2007]

so first they claim that Randy's validity for his reasoning can be false because he uses his own reasoning to do so.....and then we get a voiceover saying 'does god exists? God himself says that he exists in exodus..... isn't that the same reasoning but now it does server their purpose and in the case of Randy it does not?

[@travisruffolo8756]

What a joke, anyone that wants to destroy this look up the Münchhausen trilemma everyone is caught in it even if you claim revelation. This piece destroys absolute/certain knowledge.

[@juliawinkler438]

On multiple occasions in history, it has been asked how we can know for certain what is true and what is not. For example, it is possible that instead of being many billions of years old as the scientific evidence strongly suggests, the universe was actually made last Thursday. It is also possible that the entire world is the creation of your own mind, like a dream it takes you several decades to wake up from. Attempts to attach any objective importance to speculations on this topic may alternatively be called bullshit. Bullshit is something to wipe off your shoe, you don't take off your shoe set in a cow pasture and waste time reasoning with it !

[@travisruffolo8756]

Julia Winkler Yep, that's why we go with observable, repeatable, evidence. It let's us know how whatever reality we may be in works and allows us to build predictive models.

[@HardKore5250]

James Randi very old and still very smart atheist like a young person!

[@taboovsknowledge1603]

God him self said,"I am that I am". Exodus 3:14 Yet Christians are constantly challenged to prove his reality. Christians are proof God doesn't exist!

[@taboovsknowledge1603]

Dan E Mount good post man! You forgot to mention the talking donkey in the bible. David Icke, what a whacked paid misinformist! or he's just whacked!

[@johnmirra6707]

The poster child for abortion vs the grand wizard of skepticism haha.

[@moodyplus]

Haha

[@Deanstruction1]

Hovind's trick question didn't work that well this time. Sye is a circular master

[@johnwilburn]

Eric Hovind gets his one chance to meet someone as wise as James Randi and wastes it like that. Kent would be proud.

[@SaxyCalzone]

It’s a shame we can’t trade Sye to get James back.

[@kwas101]

My absolute favourite part of the video: 5:20. Does God exist? Of course he does, he said so!

[@CEDtalks85]

They didn't press Randi. They used softball questions. They got schooled, as you would say, because they tried to outhink a person, instead of questioning his morality.

[@Silentsouls]

By definition the word believe means : "To accept as true, particularly without absolute certainty". Please do not make a fool out of yourself by claiming you know god exists.

[@detroitpolak9904]

hovind and bruggengay actually think they won that debate

[@benjaminvasquez5826]

Detroit Polak .... yup, really sad indeed.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

James Randi is wrong that mathematics can be proved by testing it scientifically. The scientific method presupposes mathematics & logic, so any attempt to prove either using science would be arguing in a circle.

[@MrPlanx]

Hovind needs to stay in jail forever.

[@Colddirector]

Remember the old days back when Kent Hovind was still around and he at least tried to make sciency-sounding arguments? Ah, the good old days. Kent's arguments were terrible, but Eric's "arguments" are just lazy, he's not even trying anymore.

[@Colddirector]

I'd beg to differ, Hovind's presuppositionalism seems designed to shut down debate and undercut other people's arguments any way he can. While Hovind sr. isn't a whole lot better, Hovind jr's arguments are just plain lazy manipulative crap.

[@Colddirector]

But Hovind jr. really isn't all that honest, he's admitted that he can't debate the evidence and has to rely on this "you can't know truth, so you have to rely on god" argument, But really, i was just being facetious, they're both pretty terrible in their own ways.

[@rebbelwivcause]

I noticed that there's always some kind of plug after these videos, like buy this dvd collection, or this discussion, or this book on blah blah blah... Obviously they missed John 2:16: "Do not make my father's house, a house of merchandise" Way to go, guys...

[@HeathLedgersChemist]

It says something of the Theist mindset that they would post this video as a defence of their beliefs.

[@madpak]

"Does God exist? God himself said that he exists in exodus 3:14 "I AM THAT I AM" yet Christians are constantly challenged to prove his reality" Yeah, because that's not circular logic at all. #ChristianLogic

[@BenjaminWirtz]

Sye Ten proved Randi uses circular reasoning and Randi couldn't dispute it without using circular reasoning.

[@ETERNALCYCLES]

prove to me that god wrote the bible ?

[@Snailman3516]

i am an atheist just want to say that the christians don't think that god wrote the bible which makes it so much easier to refute.

[@ETERNALCYCLES]

many american christians like eric hovind say it's the true word of god.

[@Snailman3516]

it is the "word of god" and the writing of man. according to them

[@Snailman3516]

doesn't really matter. the real question is: is it logical to believe in any supernatural force?

[@Snailman3516]

answer: nope, you must prove that a supernatural force(like god) exists, not that one doesn't exist since the burden of proof is on the one making the claim. since every claim of the supernatural was not proved, the only logical conclusion is to not believe in a supernatural force at all.

[@SchizoGenius]

I now want a Monty Python-esque sketch of this!

[@SAHBfan]

Sye Ten Bruggengate is really, really irritating with these silly word games. Reason isn't a 'thing'. It isn't a knowledge claim, it isn't an entity, like say... a God. it is something we do with our brains. well... something some of us can do ^_^ If you re-word the question as, "is it circular to use our intellect to come to rational conclusions", then you can see the argument laid bare for the childish nonsense that it is. As Randi correctly pointed out. Qudos for allowing comments BTW.

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

How do we know god actually wrote that part of exodus?

[@MrThoughtographer]

Because it's written there! Oh wait....? oooops

[@TheLuckySaGe]

I find it funny that Sye tries to use "reason" to explain that reason speaking for reason is circular. What a dunce.

[@jaswingnut]

Is this a Christian channel showing James Randi showing these guys to be idiots? You're making yourselves look stupid! He owned them for f sake, and at his age.

[@w8m4n]

Don't put a couple of balloons up against one of the sharpest things on earth, that's just not fair.

[@cafecitoconazucar]

"you try to validate your logic with your logic", "does god exists? god himself said that he exists" LOL

[@jensandersen7011]

It was Popeye that said I am that I am.

[@pauldhoff]

My friend James Randi shows them up again.

[@exiledfrommyself]

So this Eric character doesn't use reason to discern things?

[@numbersix9477]

The fool has said in his heart, "You can't make huge amounts of money selling DVDs to true believers."

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

You can hear Bad Religion performing in the background. Fantastic.

[@Brogel]

Randi: "I don't get involved in childish things". Sye Ten: "Nailed it".

[@Pwnzistor]

Sweet, Bad Religion was playing, I wish I could have been there :(

[@NateCooperino]

Quite poetic to hear James Randi destroy Eric Hovind while Bad religion plays in the background

[@another-learner8677]

3:32 Hovind: Could something out there be wrong? Randi: Ofcourse Hovind: So everything we know could be proven wrong? Hovind is a slimy snake but not slimy enough to trick a 95 year old man.

[@spoddie]

They criticise Randi for circular reasoning then say "God himself said he exists in Exodus 3:14". Could there be anything more circular than that?

[@lizxfun]

lol the cowardly way that creationist backed out of the interview when confronted with someone who thinks normally.

[@jessebryant9233]

Are you yet another delusional atheist who doesn't know how to reason? Now, is your naturalistic claim testable or will you back out and claim that you are not making a claim and appeal instead only to your personal state of mind? If the latter, you poor intellectual coward.

[@ajaciedenniettestoppen71]

@@jessebryant9233 Are you another delusional creatard arrogant enough to think that you can solve the age-old philosophical problem of hard-solipsism by making a baseless assertion? Since that is all presuppositionalism is. You are the intellectual coward here.

[@HugaHoodie95]

This 'could you be wrong about everything you know' doesn't work Hovind always says that starting from 'god' he can know with certainty that his reasoning is valid and that god is necessary for all knowledge, but this is monstrously incorrect. To establish god in your mind, you have to have already assumed the validity of subject-predicate language (and thus by extension logic, since language is the product of logic), individual thought, existence of the universe, existence of the self etc. - you cannot have the thought of god before these things. You have to validate your thought before you validate reasoning by your thought of god's necessity. Without validation of the thought, by the same reasoning Hovind employs, you cannot validate the god that you have established _via the thought_. 'God is necessary for all knowledge' is itself a knowledge claim. How do you _know_ that god is necessary for all knowledge? You cannot justify the aforementioned claim by invoking god again since that is tautologous and meaningless. Also if he were to ask me if I could be wrong about everything i know, I would simply say 'no'. I know that I am not omniscient. If I can be wrong about that we descend into paradoxical chaos.

[@KoopaHigh]

Christians... He literally claim to be all-knowing of the origins of the universe the origins of Earth Origins of life, They literally claim to know the fate of our Consciousness after death, (if we will even have one) The fate of Earth's future and the fate of the entire universe... If a human being could look in a mirror and stare deep into his own eyes and tell himself... "I KNOW with absolute certainty what takes place after I die..." Then he is betraying his home human intellect and successfully Blurred the lines between faith and knowledge surpassing a human's mortal conceptualality

[@ciuacoatl]

I love how Eric skirted James statement that it's the believers responsibility to provide evidence for a god--it's not an atheist's responsibility to prove a negative. If you make a supposition just be prepared to back it up for pete's sake! You say your version of god exists--then provide the evidence!!

[@cowboys4life68]

Why is this video used to advertise for Sye and Eric. If you use Sye's reasoning, he couldn't possibly KNOW there's a God because his reasoning could be proven wrong with the vast amount of knowledge we don't have yet. Do religious people really flock to this nonsense as evidence?

[@majordendrocopos]

James Randi is very patient here, tries his best to explain what logic and proof mean, but the silly and ineffective attempts to trip him up keep on coming. And then the follow up bit with the holy music behind it says that "God exists because God says he does ". Well there is your proof of, erm, sorry but I can't go on. I would be very embarrassed to watch this if I was a Christian.

[@RonHelton]

Based on your conclusion that "God" exists because the "Bible" says he does, Please answer the following: Does this mean that all of the other religious texts on this planet that purport to reveal the existence of a divine or divine beings are also valid? And if not, then why are you assuming that your "God" is valid and all others are not? What is your proof other than the "Bible"? Why can it not also be assumed that the other religious factions on the planet are also valid in their assertion that their religion is the one true religion because it says so in their religious texts? I propose that you are not trying to prove that there is a "God", but rather to validate your belief in the "Bible" that proposes that he exists. Please prove that the following statements are false: 1. The Americas were settled by the world powers as a giant land grab and not for the purposes of religion. There were some colonies started by religious groups but not all of them. The world powers of the day didn't care who went to the Americas, only that they went to stake their countries claim to that continent. 2. The Revolutionary War and the eventual establishment of the United States government was founded on "no taxation without representation" and not on "religion". 3. Based on statements number 1 and 2, the United States is not a "Christian" nation as the religious propaganda would have the masses to believe.

[@GaryChap72]

I have changed my mind. As an atheist I heartily endorse Eric Hovind !!! If anything at all can cause a true-believer to renounce their faith it is watching idiots like Eric arguing so badly it causes them to question ideas they'd previously accepted 'on faith'

[@SchizoGenius]

I'd like to commend the owner of this channel for having the fortitude to allow comments in this video. At least THIS video isn't immune to discussion of opposing viewpoints, unlike many others apalogetics videos

[@draugur345]

Yes ultimately all knowledge of what is beyond our own minds must be based on the idea that we can trust our senses which we have no way of verifying as accurate without using our senses. Very clever, but Christianity is not exempt from this fact anymore than reason is, so saying that we cannot trust anything includes your god.

[@pokefan68]

I find it pointless to use bible verses as evidence that god exists when the bible itself can't even agree on the birth story of Jesus. Also, that bible verse is basically in Exodus Pi if you know what I mean :p

[@jaydkay9397]

You two are actually no better than Peter Popoff. You are using many deceptive techniques only on a different platform and different instruments.

[@MYxSIDExBOOB]

Title should be "Eric Hovind gets schooled by James Randi".

[@boglerun8444]

James Randi 'I don't get involved in juvenile arguments'......exit the 2 intellectual juveniles.......brilliant work James.

[@85Funkadelic]

Nope he pretty clearly says 2+2 = 4 and 2+3 = 5 So sorry you heard what you want... sounds typical of theists.

[@kseries1981]

Is that Bad Religion playing in the background? It'd be kinda ironic if it was, given the name of the band. =)