CREATIVE Solo Vs. CLICHE Solo

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[@MR-vg7yn]

"Sometimes cliche is good" is a lesson every musician has to learn at some point, IMO.

[@JizzusWept]

Yup. Because the mainstream wanker-listeners cant take "cacophony".

[@Geraet]

yes, there is a reason why something is used frequently.

[@benoitguillou3146]

@@Geraet Yes indeed ....Poor taste is rampant (like purposefully degraded schooling conditions )

[@tuuresuomalainen9388]

A combination of the two. A little something different to grab the attention combined with some classic licks to confirm that it is indeed a guitar solo

[@aayushsagar6898]

*reads this while listening to a Alexi solo

[@anewdimnsion]

I agree with this!

[@flanimate]

Totally agree

[@Gabrostil]

Basically Marty Friedman

[@austinvarvel9902]

This should be common sense

[@rhyonix4535]

That “cliche” sweep was 🔥

[@davisthedaviskids2574]

It was what?

[@kava808v]

​@@davisthedaviskids2574it was fire

[@CorbCorbin]

This felt like a song with two solos, the cliche is what one warms the listener up with, then the creative one is the second solo, that makes the person think, “well, that was different…” Or the Creative one is at the end of a song and slowly fades out as the listener just wants a few more seconds of solo.😄

[@danieldavila1181]

Bradley just wanted to show off his new lights, I know

[@floridianthrasher5426]

Those things are beautiful

[@456asd654]

when you put lights on your christmas tree and didn't gauge it perfectly and only 70% is covered

[@aniquinstark4347]

I keep seeing ads for them as a training tool but honestly I just want sparkly frets lol

[@nickcooke1183]

Pretty

[@JupiterKnight]

sus

[@thejonathandoan]

Both solos are ultra badass. The creative one is different and shows dexterity and musicality. The second one is perfect for the music and really shreds!

[@tommypenisfingers]

The first one is so much juicier. If you listen to them, and then listen to the first one again, you immediately notice more flavor.

[@Zappabain]

Didn't like the pirubi pirubí and the happy double stops descending but the rest was 👍 tired of hearing of running up and down scales and arpeggios not even following some interesting melody.

[@damonmeier3652]

@@Zappabainok Zappa calm down

[@CoffeeIceScream]

That little double stop part in the creative solo hit it for me.

[@masterofreality3845]

I like a mix of the two. Different melodies and a few weird notes from the creative solo but the classic feel from the cliche.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

I'd say it's a lot like when Dave Mustaine plays a solo versus Marty Friedman. Marty has all the creative eclectic stuff. Which are some of the coolest solos ever to be recorded. While Dave stays basically pentatonic the whole time. But! Some of his solos work perfectly and fit the song too. Love this video!

[@joshua.merrill]

To me, Countdown to Extinction is the best album to show that contrast off. Dave's solos kinda ground you to know it's "solo time," but then Marty's solos just blow your mind, both tonally and rhythmically.

[@joelm5509]

Actually even Marty can do both stuff. Mostly he uses exotic scales and plays out of the box, but sometimes even he utilizes regular pentatonic and other scales, but only for a lick or a very brief moment. This can be seen especially in CTE and Youthanasia albums. But you are correct, Dave and Marty did compliment each other with two totally different style overall.

[@rudimentaer4830]

Video reminds me of "Tornado of Souls".

[@tylercady3985]

@@rudimentaer4830 the backing track is basically Tornado of Souls but with less chug. Chords and rhythm are almost identical though. At least to my ear

[@MrHostile12]

The solo duel in the song Victory perfectly shows this

[@THEJustinOfAllTime]

I thought this man was about to play the Tornado of Souls solo and call it cliche 💀💀💀

[@jasonwilcox6637]

The first one, one of the most creative I've ever seen, got the feels on that one. DAMN.

[@whosaidthat84]

The cliche solo is just a good classic solo. Comforting, familiar but well done. The creative one is unique and different but may only appeal to hardcore guitarists. Both were great with but just different flavors.

[@ther701]

So true, I would have not liked it before getting into prog stuff. lol

[@whosaidthat84]

@@ther701 I had to listen to it like 3 times before I started to appreciate it haha

[@ryanrobinson4072]

Nicely put!! The cliche version is “easier” to listen to. But I personally prefer the first one because if it’s unique structure. I like something more if it doesn’t feel so familiar. Either way, amazing guitar playing and both beautifully written

[@whosaidthat84]

@@ryanrobinson4072 totally agree there! If you dissect the two, the cliche solo won't take too long but the unique one will take hours.

[@Andoroid]

I disagree personally, I found the creative one comforting but the cliché one has acceptable elements too

[@Felix-sm2th]

I definitely liked the Cliche one more.

[@jesseh621]

Nothing wrong with that

[@INSOMNILOTUS]

because it's just cliche. we've heard that one, over and over again. so we get to used to it.

[@iggyharl5780]

@@INSOMNILOTUS no it just sounds cleaner. Like when a bassist plays too many fills it goes all flabby and hard on the ear. The cliche one is just way cleaner, and sounds better lol

[@kawaiidestruktor7809]

@@INSOMNILOTUS No, the "creative" one just doesn't entirely fits with the music, it's too much "creative" to create a good really creative solo is that you mix rare scales and licks with the "cliche" ones, like marty friedman, jason becker and eric johnson always did

[@garrettwilson9664]

The creative one is just annoying

[@LTSauce_Boss]

Dude this was definitely a jam! I would like to hear more of the first solo!!

[@juliuspleaser4675]

Bradley’s raw power gets me chuffed 🤌🫴✨ SWEEEPMAAAAAAN

[@chancebattenberg8400]

I preferred the unique note choice of the first one, but the style of playing on the second one if that makes sense.

[@br1nk_0f_illusi0n5]

Fax

[@EvilSewnit]

Yeppers

[@justsomedudelmao]

Makes perfect sense

[@Jenisonc]

The song needs two solos in this case. Both were awesome! I embrace straying away from tonality and exploring the space.

[@arvincharles]

Yup. Needs twin solos with their own personalities.

[@Getep]

That reminded me of Queensryche for a second. Awesome, super precise picking and vibrato. I loved that. Shred with emotion. Brilliant!

[@metallica990z]

Not gonna lie the cliche one was cookin

[@user-jk2oz6xz4d]

As a musician myself, I wouldn't say that making a solo using just 1 tonality is bad, nor does it take no creativity. I think each tonality has its unique vibe, and sometimes I like how it feels when a song doesn't change its vibe.

[@bernieorbust6104]

What is tonality? And what does it mean to change tonality?

[@MaggaraMarine]

@@bernieorbust6104 Since the progression only used power chords, it gives the soloist freedom to decide the quality of the chords. The chords are B5 G5 A5 that on their own imply basic B minor progression (Bm G A). But since they are power chords, you could get more creative with the notes you add on top. In this example, the more "creative" solo treated the B chord as a major chord, so it has this interesting alternating between major and minor sound (well, there were other things happening in it than just that, but this gives you an idea of what it means). The 2nd solo stayed in B minor all the time. Basically, the 1st solo is about approaching each chord individually and thinking about what kind of "exotic" stuff you can emphasize over each chord. The 2nd solo is about treating the progression as a "whole" - it's a basic B minor progression, so playing B minor scale over all of it sounds good. "Tonality" is basically the same thing as key/mode. But in this case, "changing tonality" refers to basically approaching each chord as a separate "tonality" (in other words, playing different scales over different chords). The actual key of the song doesn't change - the progression is still in B minor. But each chord is still treated as a separate scale. (And as I said, since they are power chords, this gives you a lot of different options, because you can decide whether the chords are minor or major, and you can also decide very freely what other notes you are going to add over the chords. If the chords contained more notes, you would have less possibilities. Power chords only have 2 notes, so you can pretty freely choose the 5 other notes in your scale. But a 7th chord has 4 notes, so your scale is only lacking 3 notes. In other words, the simpler the harmony, the more potential choices you have.)

[@CarpeDiem23]

@@MaggaraMarine Dear God, what a essay, man just asked what is tonality, it's just using different keys during a solo, not playing just in one, tonality = key

[@MaggaraMarine]

@@CarpeDiem23 Okay, but understanding when you can do that is pretty important, right? (And understanding what "changing key" actually means would also be pretty important, right?) If the chords weren't power chords, it would limit your potential note choice a lot more. Why you can take these two approaches over this specific progression is because you can interpret the chord qualities in many different ways. BTW, I don't believe you can actually change keys over this progression. The progression is in B minor, regardless of what you play over it. You can play different scales over it, but "changing keys" means something more fundamental than just playing a different collection of notes (it means an actual shift in tonal center, which I'm not hearing in this case). This is also why I think the last paragraph was necessary. And if you don't want to read my "essays" (BTW, wouldn't call it an essay), no one's forcing you to do that. But I assume the person who asked the question was interested in this stuff. If they had a problem with my answer, they would have pointed it out.

[@gaby5474]

@@MaggaraMarine Some people can't read more than 2 lines, thank you for your fantastic essay. Great comment. I dont know music theory at all, so far I have been just playing around with tabs/scales/chords. Based on what you said, so far I understand that during the solo he can "choose" notes of a scale that represent each note of the progression? Bm G A So when he plays the B5 chord on the rythm, he can play around the Bm scale while the chord being played and it will sound good? Then switch to the G major scale when the G5 chord is being played? This while using the B as first and last note of a lick (Is that how you keep a tonal center btw?)

[@IanTheGreatYT]

Forget which one is better, let's focus on this mans incredible guitar playing

[@flixization]

First half of the first one reminded of a Scar Symmetry solo. Good stuff, combine that with the second half of the second one and you've got magic.

[@dropclutch1]

Cliche sounded more cohesive. I did like the "CBS Story Break" intro on Creative as well as the humorous double stop phrase that was thrown in haha

[@damascusraven]

When mom says you need to help hang up the Christmas lights but you want to practice guitar.

[@ReeceyBoy_4]

Hahahaha

[@thepaladin7816]

My preference is the "creative" solo to test the boundaries of what can be done musically and push different concepts of what is acceptable in music.

[@andreypolyakov1593]

Poetic way to say it’s drunk Jazz with gain...

[@matthewmjb6860]

@@andreypolyakov1593 🤣 True dat!

[@AlphaDavid66]

nah sick riffs from the 80's is all I can get hard too. LICH KING

[@JizzusWept]

@@andreypolyakov1593 knowing your profile name sounds like a soviet general I'll come across in a Command & Conquer campaign, that joke was funny man. Kudos

[@bryanmiller826]

Creative all the way for this demonstration. More pleasing to the ear; keeps ya guessing on the 1st listen. Cliche is predictable, but fun to do for an amateur musician or random improv class assignments

[@mesarosmm]

The creative one is memorable while being great, the other one is only great.

[@AlefSousa017]

Alternative title of this video: "Marty Friedman solos vs Kirk Hammett solos" hahaha. Both sounded great! Loved the note that you rested on at 0:05 in the creative solo!

[@eurrrp5204]

Yeah,the first one sounds like Tornado of souls

[@5elevenfirewood195]

That double stop gallop at 0:18 is awesome

[@skrev1697]

Both were amazing! Keep it up!

[@adamnoakes2550]

Everyone right after creative solo: no way cliché solo can beat this Cliché solo: hold my beer

[@lostthepick]

I like the first one! Nice lights on the the fretboard

[@vladimirkrasojevic6026]

Both are great in their own way. An average listener won't care about it too much. Sometimes the real power is in ability to convey more with less. I personally love when things start fairly simple with a catchy theme and progress to a more complex playing. Not overly abstract but melodic is what gets me going at least.

[@celiasjoblom1795]

Everyone's focused on the solo, meanwhile me looking at those cool lights

[@MrMetalhorse]

"You play in one key? What are u a casul? Gtfo of here" Prog dudes probably.

[@zubrhero5270]

*claps in 7/4*

[@gaby5474]

@@zubrhero5270 lol

[@raymondmartin2858]

@@zubrhero5270 7/4 is overused, I only clap in 13/2

[@tussk.]

the 'creative' solo was just as filled with cliches as the cliched solo. puting a few strange notes in an otherwise standard progression is so cliched now that it sounds just like everything else.

[@tobiaskotoff2572]

i mean you definitely just demonstrated two perfect solos, technically solid. the first has extra "colors", and nuances that are definitely appreciated while the second is more familiar and easier to anticipate what follows. both excellent. strive for this level of skill in guitar technique and music theory, definitely...

[@SabastianDuke]

The first one sounds Marty freedman inspired. Used more modal arpeggios mostly.

[@danibarack552]

So Marty Friedman vs Kirk Hammet

[@keefbartooow2828]

No way. More like Friedman vs Mustaine bc no way Kirk Hammett could pull off playing either of these 2 solos. I mean c'mon.. Kirk Hammett is just wrong for anything past the "intermediate" level of technique he has not needed to bother with in Metallica. He can't even bother with working on that nervous panicked 'vibrato ' that is forever going to keep him out of being taken seriously as a guitarist despite a very successful career in Metallica. Mustaine and Friedman deserve more respect. Leave Hammett down at the intermediate class . He can keep Kerry King company there

[@humungushumungus213]

@@keefbartooow2828Slayer destroys Metallica , Kerry King is up there , Megadeth can’t touch Slayer either. Totally different vibe and attitude Slayers first 5 albums just different , it’s own category . I listen to Megadeth and Metallica way more then Slayer, Slayer hits differently , not for everyday

[@DireThorns]

and then people like me who cant tell the difference 😎

[@redacted-0671]

i feel ur pain

[@Wankzz]

@@redacted-0671 du pain

[@judahgross8403]

creative, it's always good to hear something fresh and different

[@rayres1074]

The slides at the end of the creative solo was out of this world

[@louisvivier1537]

I LIKE THE SOLO

[@dennisfischa]

@@BradleyHallGuitar marvelous

[@erikberg4546]

Both excellent, both too short. Make us a 30 minute solo so I don't have to hit the replay so often

[@lonestoner8297]

Dude honestly I didn't read anything until you had finished and even then I still didn't even care which was which. This whole solo sounds dope.

[@zedmelon]

Both are great. I really like the 2nd and 3rd sections of the creative solo. The sweeps and ending of the cliche one is pretty cool.

[@iliketurtles999]

Why not both? This is why bands like Iron Maiden are so good, they have Adrian and Dave putting it on the ground and then comes Janick, the underrated one, and just does crazy shit all over. And we drink to that. Both types of guitarists are awesome

[@jackinsane6928]

Iron maiden blows

[@anonymoususer7663]

@@jackinsane6928 i'd much rather listen to Iron Maiden than your music, and i'm not even an Iron Maiden fan but it still sounds a lot better than listening to some nobody i've never heard of. At least i've heard of Iron Maiden. You've had 30 years and you're still not famous. No name, no brand, no record label, nothing.

[@Frketson]

Janick is super sloppy most of the time. Adrian IMO is the best because its not just 100km/h random notes. He actually puts a lot more thought into the structure, and note selection too.

[@TonyJuanPailos]

I like the one where you go waaaowaaa nuenenoeneioenoei whop paprararananana eaaao

[@AaronRiegel]

One of the gnarliest cliches I've ever heard...that would crush on just about any song. I like the creative one too, Steve vai type jam. The only thing about super creative is that it's hard to find a section where you make nasty guitar face and really dig in

[@shadowpoppy]

Both sound great!!

[@patrickgambill9326]

The artistry is in combining the two. Anyone can play something unique. Just play random notes on the guitar neck. To be interesting, you need to draw from the existing genre's rules and expectations, and modify them to make something that builds on the musical tradition of a genre.

[@tinytim71301]

Both are great and would fit the right song when you feel it.

[@alexandrehenri-bhargava2741]

I’d never heard you play. With that kind of skill you can talk all the shit you want!

[@MaydupNem]

They were both good, but that lick at the end of the creative solo was the best part

[@SummerByStyx]

Both pretty fucking good to be fair

[@jeremyjohnson9585]

"Which one do you prefer?" Yes.

[@Francisco-fw5fe]

The first one is Dave Murray and the second one is Adrian Smith

[@TheBudBoss]

BOTH ARE REALLY GOOD. Personally, I choose the first one. It shows more of YOUR style. The second shows more of your capabilities. Add some sweeps to the first one and you got a record ready solo for me.

[@jeremyr1528]

Both sound great Bro!

[@adamgorner4944]

The "cliché" one was much more musical and easier to listen to

[@nfragala]

Glad to see you doing it bro. Do it dude. Do it hard...

[@gabrieldauz3533]

Both actually sounded awesome nc work brad

[@MSpotatoes]

A nice mix of both. Sounds great.

[@cool-name4475]

incredible guitar playing, this is just amazing

[@hampuspersson6509]

The cliche one, with one phrase from the creative👨‍🍳💋

[@johnreeves7133]

A mix of both, would be cool, so it stands out from other groups

[@8393Robertrex]

when you go to make fun, but start having fun

[@apoi__7607]

The first one has scale the summit vibes i love it !

[@Floxos-cs1uf]

First one reminds me of a 80s saturday Morning Cartoon Intro… upliftingly brillant

[@CaballeroHispano]

The convination would be extremly good

[@eliminoh_p7877]

Both were sick af.

[@thehappylad999]

Where's the full song? This needs to be a full song.

[@TavernMasterAndy]

Chops man. The end of the creative piece is fantastic. Sweeping certainly seems a bit stale unless used tastefully

[@mawe2102]

The creative one sounds like Megadeth in its first part. The cliche one also sounds a bit like Megadeth and like Kirk Hammett towards the end.

[@ashtonperez4614]

Both were absolute 🔥

[@manumosquera8499]

That first 16 beats from the first solo blow my mind every time. Pure musicianship here.

[@Puff_123]

God that cliche solo is beautiful

[@manolohalkhoholikh2471]

The real difference is the musical knowledge and skill. Bad soloing comes when It is considered as routine.

[@theperiidot]

As someone who has absolutely no concept of standard licks and phrases, they both sound like guitar solos

[@gergoblasko9579]

The good solo adds to the song and does not try to rule the song. Does not matter if creative or cliche

[@YngolSonofYsgramor]

Both sound amazing

[@crmsn_]

Haha I love that in both of these variants I can hear the megadeth influence. To be honest though, I think that's what made me subscribe to begin with*. Much love, dude. 🖤 *well, that and the cave owl tattoo.

[@konnorrockkonnoisseur4970]

“Creative” solo is literally just some improv lick Mustaine would make up 😂

[@mainmanmooky8820]

I like them both, they both have their own uses, but the first would definitely stand out to me

[@johannan0032]

The beginning of the creative solo was so Marty Friedman-ish

[@Hymn43]

The first solo. That shit was bitchin’!

[@taritheapothecary]

Both have elements that together melt faces

[@kotogray8335]

I dare you to write several songs in the vein of the creative solo and put as much abnormal creative solo on top. That might end up being something worth listening to

[@juddbang6153]

That creative solo is tasty man. Nice job

[@militant.anarchist2414]

Any guitar solo is an awesome solo

[@JohnJones-ep7of]

BOTH , variety is the spice of life and the path to a well rounded musician !

[@duskmoon181]

The cliche one honestly reminds me of Van Halen. Eddie had so many iconic riffs that it's hard to choose which one is your favorite.

[@readyaimfire3454]

love the cliche one. music isnt always about being as creative as possible. sounding & feeling good is enough

[@CrystalRecords]

Ngl, thee cliche solo was better than I was expecting

[@w4shep]

May I have both sir?! My ears were rocked by both - awesome !!

[@Ezper-2099]

both sounds very badass!

[@dragondg6412]

The pinky just sitting there like 🧍

[@langesterguy]

That galloping slide though 😫😫😫

[@John--]

Both entirely badass!