This is Heavy Metal now?

Discussing Spotify's official "Heavy Metal" playlist
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[@mikoajnierada7857]

They should rename it to "Everything Metal" and no one could argue it's wrong

[@novoice9286]

i got a playlist on youtube music with literally EVERYTHING metal. from straight up old school metal all the way to brutal slamming death gore grind

[@johncruelty1]

@@novoice9286 my spotify playlists lol

[@the_furry_inside_your_walls639]

@@novoice9286 Must be insanely jarring going from a Cannibal Corpse song into a Sleep Token song while that playlist is set to random, or vice versa.

[@6yny6ter6]

Kickass metal🤘💀 *radioactive by Imagine Dragons starts playing*

[@shikarifox4337]

Even the Bullet for my Valentine cover isn't metal, which is a shame.

[@user-ys6eb9lx9v]

People who say that imagine dragons is metal make me so angry. Even if they call it pop rock...I just hate it so much. Anyone who listens to metal would highly relate.

[@XArtisanHere]

Bro Imagine Dragons are Pop Rock at BEST. Mostly pop though😭 it says alternative rock on their Wiki, and as a former fan I think it insults both metal bands and them that someone even calls that *metal* 😭😭😭

[@ArgelTal_]

@@user-ys6eb9lx9v Nothing about them is Metal, not saying they make bad music, its something you can listen to once in a while but ... absolutely not metal.

[@Cyber-Hexagon]

@@ArgelTal_This has me confused as a Imagine Dragon Fan/Fire Breather. They aren’t Metal, like AT ALL. They’re Pop or Pop Rock at best.

[@FCYuv13]

I think this is just metal in general and not specifically heavy metal. I think spotify are just being normies and calling every single metal song "heavy metal"

[@bossfire001]

yeah, at least it feels like it

[@aensyn4360]

Don’t you hate that. And I feel you are correct on that

[@7ChaosBlack]

It's barely metal. Spotify just lumps everything with distorted guitars into metal.

[@TheBlackfall234]

back in my days "heavy metal" was "just metal". Whats the difference between heavy metal and metal now ? Sounds like all sort of unecessary bullshit.

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@TheBlackfall234 Metal now usually refers to djent and core, which aren't metal. Huge difference.

[@lens_hunter]

Honestly, not too bad. If this was someone's introduction to metal they're getting a lot of different types and could definitely find something they like here

[@surfingthedarkness]

Yeah, a little random, a little leaning towards actual "Heavy Metal" but not the worst Metal playlist

[@radioactivetiger2278]

“League of legends core” killed me

[@touffedaviau8370]

I want that playlist tbh 👀

[@ROCK0UT]

Starsets newest singles have been absolute bangers though. Love the heavier direction

[@the_furry_inside_your_walls639]

Wouldn't that literally just be Pentakill?

[@Griffithpetuh]

Same ahahahaha

[@TheRedpainternumber8]

😮😮I am so happy that you have the courage to say it out loud

[@schmuckford]

Fun fact: Dream Evil was founded by Fredrik Nordström (rhythm guitars). Fredrik Nordström is the Sweedish producer that produced At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul and all the early In Flames albums up through Clayman

[@dougthuggley]

actually sick fun fact

[@7ChaosBlack]

The guy who produced the worst At The Gates album of all time up until their reunion material in the 2010s? Yeah, send him to the gallows.

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@schmuckford The man who produced the single worst At the Gates album up until 2014.

[@Doomchild2XL]

Also Snowy Shaw and Gus G. bear mentioning.

[@oneblacksun]

Didn't expect to see someone talk about Dream Evil in 2024.

[@mr.jurassic3612]

Gojira Performing Olympic opening ceremony was fire! 🔥🤘 Edit : Thanks for the 1.1k likes love yall!

[@woJ10]

It was yeah I was really surprised

[@anthonywick6890]

Dude that was Gojira?! That shit was fire

[@anthonywick6890]

Dude that was Gojira?! That shit was fire

[@bbwait2718]

I'm so happy my country represented the French Metal scene!!! Mixed with this opera singer it was craaazy!

[@vicktorgross]

Where watch

[@du_auch_da4520]

I would actually not mind watching longer videos of these things, like make it 45min or so

[@Typical.Anomaly]

kinda reminds me of MTV TRL in the late 90s/early 00s

[@OmegaGohan24]

That's pretty much how long these sections of his streams are or at least feel like

[@du_auch_da4520]

@@OmegaGohan24 would be fine with watching that on yt

[@AndrewDembouski]

They probably are only allowed to share such a fraction of each song due to copyright

[@Repa24]

@@du_auch_da4520 You can rewatch the stream on his Twitch (you have to be a subscriber tho)

[@Thomatos200]

The meshuggah, soad, tool, and mastodon made my heart happy

[@shadowyyCFH]

you can't not have those bands if you're gonna have a general metal playlist

[@johncruelty1]

is tool metal ? i would consider them alt/prog rock if anything

[@symptomofsouls]

@@johncruelty1 Even tool doesn't consider tool as metal so idk why they keep getting called metal

[@MichaelKidd-xm3cz]

​@@symptomofsoulsi mean, tool is tool. The only way I can explain them is heavy pink floyd

[@commandercaptain4664]

Brought warm feelings to my heart.

[@Norpal]

"Heavy metal" has been used as a catch-all umbrella term for all of metal music for ages. And it's usually pretty easy to work out from the context whether it's being used in that sense, or more specifically referring to ye olde meat'n'potatoes traditional metal.

[@MatSjo]

But only for people not actually interested in metal.

[@bbwait2718]

Brooo Gojira was crazy at Olympics!!! 😂

[@7ChaosBlack]

Major L

[@we_are_bacons]

They're the only good thing on that opening

[@bbwait2718]

@@we_are_bacons not at all!

[@MrGareth616]

Watched it here in the UK and they fucking butchered the sound, could hardly hear anything

[@bbwait2718]

@@MrGareth616 naaah the sound was great!!!

[@Angeliikk]

poor timmy 💔

[@fudgeboy2165]

Dude, I love your Fluttershy profile pic! ❤

[@devoidnomore]

Yeah, poor thingh sounds like Micky Mouse

[@kevinkommtspielen3164]

Y‘all can‘t just put Deep Purple and fuckin SLAUGHTER TO PREVAIL in one playlist wtf man 😭

[@christiannorf1680]

Eh, from my experience most normies can't even grasp the concept of sub-genres and how something can sound similar yet still very different

[@jmm5304]

Why not? 😂 I like variety.

[@xVovax]

Ofc you can. And this makes metal so interesting and unique. From Deep Purple to Bring me the Horizon. That's the real fcking evolution

[@TheAndostro]

this is how i make my playlist you never know what will come next

[@alisha5207]

Never let them know your next move

[@DashhunterLP]

Video begins at 2:10

[@ben10nnery]

Spotify playlists introduced me to a few bands that I really dig now, like Loathe, VOLA, Leprous and Alpha Wolf

[@StormRulerKazunagi]

he stopped Brave New World right before it got heavy 😭

[@hanselgabrielgomezandrade5792]

Yeah, what a shame

[@SEVEN_DUCK]

He already heard the song when it came out He liked the song but felt the screams weren't produced/mixed as well as the rest of the song

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@SEVEN_DUCK Thought this was about the Maiden record. Yeah I'm avoiding whatever the hell you described cuz it's probably mallcore.

[@jpprainbow6140]

Right when he finally listens to my favorite band, he just cuts it off 😭

[@theangledsaxon6765]

@@jpprainbow6140right???

[@tonykuriger573]

The Drapery Falls is one of the all-time GOATed metal songs.

[@avrgmtlhd]

PULL ME DOWN AGAIN AND GUIDE ME INTO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@54t4meda5]

Nik check out Gojira at the olympic games opening ceremony 🔥

[@JustK4Y1512]

GOJIRA REACTION INCOMING. FIRST METAL BAND AT THE OLYMPICS 🔥🔥🔥 (and they shined)

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@JustK4Y1512 Metal? Nah. Soy hipster indie whale band.

[@_Mephistopheles_]

@@7ChaosBlack Cringe

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@_Mephistopheles_ Ye, Soyjira is cringe.

[@oSileyCT-7212]

​@@7ChaosBlack lmao blud's mad for absolutely nothing

[@bliksemvis]

There was jambinai at the closing ceremony of winter olympics tbf. Which was sick

[@dxrkoner]

something i hate about these spotify playlists is that theyre all curated "for you" so theyre all songs on my playlists already so its impossible to discover new music. they need to make some playlists of their picks instead of stuff i already listen to so i can find new things i might enjoy

[@Behemothius]

Well the thing is, when Spotify just started their playlists were exactly like that - they would be a mix of songs you know, songs that you dont know but know the band and then the songs that you dont know from bands you also dont know. At one point they started aggresively pushing podcast and audiobooks and around the same time their playlist became just the songs you already listened, with very little randomization. It's another app that went through enshitification.

[@symptomofsouls]

I love when their playlist titles aren't even accurate. They made me a playlist titled "Belgian Goblin Mode Metal" or something like that. No bands from belgium, no Nekrogoblikon. Wtf

[@sluttymctits4496]

As it was said to me, "Spotify is for listening to music you like, Pandora is for finding music you will like."

[@skcansMachine]

I don't think necessarily they mean heavy metal as in the sub-genre "heavy metal" but just metal music that sounds heavy

[@ungabunga115]

Makes a lot more sense, but that doesn't really explain some of the song choices. Like, Megadeth? We'll Be Back isn't even that heavy. It's more Thrash that it is Heavy.

[@maxleavitt8199]

@@ungabunga115 I think it's just metal, heavy metal is commonly used by the mainstream to represent the whole genre

[@7ChaosBlack]

Which is stupid because sub-genres exist for a reason. Heavy metal is Black Sabbath, the NWOBHM bands and the early USPM bands like Warlord.

[@maxleavitt8199]

@@7ChaosBlack I thought sabbath was considered doom metal, but sub genres are stupider than me so I don’t know

[@tonykuriger573]

So many good Trivium songs to choose from and they go with Catastrophist?

[@sephuris5555]

Dreamevil 's Book of heavy metal was the first song let's go

[@aapoviholainen7960]

If Nik hits 1.5 millions subscribers by the end of the year he will have to do an archspire cover

[@killahasbigrpk8711]

make him do involuntary doppelgänger on guitar and vocals

[@dezmilad]

That was such a good mickey mouse at 0:47 😂😂😂

[@matthewlwood]

Gotta say, this playlist is so wide open that everything and nothing is heavy metal, all at the same time. Congrats Spoofify, you set the bar on the ground and then put the extra effort in digging a hole just to stay under it.

[@danielatherton1631]

All metal sub-genres are heavy metal genres. Steppenwolf sang 'heavy metal thunder' and Black Sabbath members worked cutting sheet metal. At some point heavy metal stuck and people shortened it to metal.

[@codypecot]

My boss was the original drummer for Exhorder 4:07

[@daddyl9iirsh583]

Without exhorder there's no pantera

[@DSplatter]

Bro, each Opeth song has its own genre 😂 (That’s why I love em😢)

[@jaejonmalloy1341]

The fact that you've never heard of Dream Evil, absolutely blows my mind. They're metal AF, as proven in The Book of Heavy Metal🤘

[@past-tense-of-draw]

as someone with slaughterhouse in the same playlist as eleanor rigby, i fully endorse this playlist

[@twstrs]

miw and knocked loose?

[@andrianaintplaya8705]

heavymetal is like ironmaiden, saxon, accept, judas priest??

[@alejandrofranco1854]

Yes it is 😅

[@moonbaby7963]

Here because I totally thought T swift was in the thumbnail, thought today was gonna truly be the end of days. But you have thankfully proven me wrong, and old Kittie goes so damn hard

[@ryanwilliams7407]

Exhorder is awesome. They were “pantera” when pantera was still a hair band

[@GypsyRock]

Exhorder is from way back.. Phil Anselmo mentions them as inspiration from his youth

[@digitalmortality2001]

yeah it was enough inspiration for them to completely change their sound

[@RussXnimbusX]

Exhorder.... I haven't heard that band name in about 30 years...

[@symptomofsouls]

@@RussXnimbusX I haven't heard since I listened to Exhorder

[@ungabunga115]

When I think of Heavy Metal I think of Black Sabbath and Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, shit like that. Not sure who looks at The Big 4 and thinks "Mm, yes, Heavy Metal." I'm looking at you Nik. Big 4 are Thrash and not heavy metal.

[@christiannorf1680]

True. The main difference being that thinking of AC/DC makes me cringe even harder than thinking of Megadeth

[@MottBotMinecraft]

I've had The Book of Heavy Metal in my playlist for ages, SLAPS

[@URFAVORITEGUITARIST]

If lizzo made a rock song it would be considered heavy metal.

[@brucenatelee]

Exhorder's vocalist is what Phil Anselmo's style was based on in Pantera. Some say Pantera borrowed from Exhorder, with some recordings suggesting they admitted it.

[@zappasmoustache23]

Heavy metal is an umbrella term, doesn’t matter how fast or slow or shouty, whatever. All these different sub genre labels are just not necessary. It’s all heavy metal. It denotes any music that has specific sonic characteristics, the main one being heavy distorted guitars which all of these things have. Yes there are varying styles but they’re still heavy metal. To say ‘well this is more power metal or death core’ is an extreme exercise in splitting hairs.

[@noobieflight2614]

7:32 when tim saw Asking Alexandria in the list, his face was GOLD. 😂😂😂

[@xVovax]

Asking Alexandria first albums were fcking good and heavy

[@GypsyRock]

I for one love the pink hoodie. More men need to wear pastel pink. 🤘🏻

[@MikeMarshall-uu5bc]

Exhorder was one of the original what you guys classify as death metal, ala, canibal corpse, death, morbid angel, deicide, and bands like that

[@digitalmortality2001]

bro what? exhorder plays thrash/groove metal, they're nowhere close to the bands you mentioned.

[@EnliveningPA]

Wristmeetrazor goes haaaard. They've got some industrial softer tracks that don't really check a box for me but Replica Of A Strange Love is a killer album. The guitarist Tyler is the vocalist of Foreign Hands which is one of my fave upcoming bands right now.

[@jacksonconstantine5740]

Didn’t know that. I love foreign hands new album

[@DreamScape39]

The fact that ObZen was in here... fucking priceless. But does it djent?

[@Reaperc91]

Noticing how many greys Nik has now then looking in the mirror and seeing mine as well is just wild to me.

[@ddous1]

Hey Nik, recently found your channel and loving all the content. With all the different list type videos I'd love to see one with female metal bands. From old school like Kittie to more modern The Warning. I'm always on the lookout for bands I've never heard of and I think you and your community could come up with some bangers.

[@dominusblandus]

come one dude... Dream Evil was a project by Fredrik Nordström.... producer of Dimmu Borgir, Hammerfall, In Flames and... basiclly the inventor of the göteborg metal sound of the 90s...

[@tomaskapalko6555]

The fact Nick skipped Orbit Culture in that playlist made me cry a little bit

[@jeremysipes945]

You saying what you said about metal core and escape the fate gained mad respect points from me dude. Preach!

[@andrewsharpe7630]

Good playlist (surprisingly). It is possible to fit all those different subgenres together, but ya gotta curate it specifically so that the old tunes and new tunes will work together instead of sounding jarring. I used to have a playlist where I had Opeth's The Leper Affinity right beside Wheels of Confusion by Black Sabbath and in context it sounded great. Was there hair metal in that playlist? Cos from this video looks like Spotify missed a lot of party metal that would help make it cohesive.

[@27duuude1]

"Heavy" to some people born directly after midnight of 99 is a range of intensity rather than an era. So for people to say soft metal is basically hard rock nowadays, we really don't have a word for just genuine metal, just that it's heavier than rock.

[@oshy_d]

4:43 never heard such a true statement lmfao

[@arcanedelane50]

Dream evil book of heavy metal is a great older song.

[@StewWayDrive]

‘Metal’ is just an abbreviation of ‘Heavy Metal’. It is the whole genre. What Nik is calling Heavy Metal seems to be a mix of Nwobhm and thrash.

[@mk_rexx]

Yeah, they definitely meant "heavy metal" as in the entire genre, not the sub-genre, which, to be fair, is probably how most non-metalheads think of. Similar to let's say, "porridge" as in all mushy cereal-based dishes, not just specifically oatmeal.

[@davidfrischknecht8261]

I don't search for genres when I listen to music on Spotify. I search for an artist I already enjoy and then I navigate to what Spotify refers to as that artist's radio. It's basically a computer-generated playlist of songs similar to and including the artist I searched for.

[@MrWill9894]

Nik needs to check out a NWOTHM playlist for some truly goated old school metal

[@drewdaniels94]

LUTHARO is one of my favorite underrated bands hands down, saw them with Alestorm and Gloryhammer last year, great show. Each of their songs is in the single thousands of listens and I think I might be like 30% of that.

[@chrispacey]

🍻

[@bottomtext251]

The term heavy metal is inconsistent aswell. If we say metallica, anthrax etc. are heavy metal then we say thrash metal is heavy metal. Black Sabbath is more doom/stoner metal and Iron Maiden, well its close to power metal but Id say thats the first pick we could say is truely heavy metal. But the name "heavy" metal is so weird aswell because you wouldn't consider Iron Maiden to be particularly heavy. All in all the term Heavy metal should be reworked.

[@AirbusA380_Jr]

Gojira went absolutely crazy at the Olympic ceremony!

[@grinmaul]

Seen Lutharo live in Toronto last year opening for Unleash the Archers, they are great!

[@uchihatobi6017]

I saw someone in your chat daring people to name one classic from after 2005, so... To the hellfire - Lorna Shore Through the fire and flames - Dragonforce Holy hell - Architects The Christmas truce - Sabaton Nightmare - Avenged sevenfold

[@lithunoisan]

The Armor of Ire - Eternal Champion

[@symptomofsouls]

Meshuggah - Bleed Anata - Downward Spiral into Madness Gojira - The Art of Dying Psycroptic - (Ob)Servant some of my personal favorites Also how can you not mention DEMOLISHER as a modern classic? I usually don't like most modern metal but there's still some good stuff out there

[@tastycodlover4082]

i think Nevertel sounds like a metal band. they kind of sound like a mix of linkin park with some hiphop and some aggressive metal for sure. Sym sounds exactly like Linkin Park

[@kana2096]

1:39 HOLY FFFF... The Sub-button gets highlited now!?!?!?!?

[@littleaw2011]

6:53 Meshuggah opened for Metallica in Göteborg like 10 years ago. So there is at least one thing to correlate.

[@bradders9743]

"Heavy metal" has 2 meanings: 1) classic 80s style old school metal and 2) "metal", just all metal in general. I think spotify used it in the latter sense.

[@Zuo__]

It'd be wild if taylor actually dropped a metal album

[@HollowLeon]

YO. If you haven’t listened to Dream Evil’s “Chasing the Dragon” is a TRUE gem that not many people know about. For that album only, they had this Greek guitarist that I would consider legendary. So many great riffs/solos.

[@MikeBellMetal]

Dude, Gus G was on their first THREE albums! He’s a total beast though, and his band Firewind is awesome 🤘

[@a.pigeon]

4:22 I wanna hear a non-irish person try to pronounce that song name lol

[@Larrybird696]

Sairsha

[@bubbletea695]

It’s pronounced soresha I think

[@thomasmacken6297]

watch any interview ever with saoirse ronan and the interviewer will act like they're the first person to joke about not knowing how to pronounce it lmao

[@AgentHomer]

Metallica, Slayer and Anthrax are thrash metal, if we‘re gonna be specific about subgenres.

[@snowwann273]

I actually like long form videos. So an hour long vid is more in-tune for me

[@unfortunatereplica8442]

Still better than the official Deezer death metal playlist, which features get scared, to be specific the deepest cut

[@josephstalin322]

All metal is heavy, not everything called metal is actually metal

[@thesplitking6340]

As soon as he played asking Alexandria a Chevy ad played, more enjoyable loo

[@jdmhbeats]

Heavier than it’s ever been. Also poppy as it’s ever been. So many samples

[@lucas_lipp]

I adore Perfume of the Timeless. It's one of my favorite songs, but I don't know if I'd call it heavy metal

[@XArtisanHere]

Question: am I a metal head if I listen to Symphonic/Power/Melodic metal (almost) only? Cause like most of what I listen to is just these genres so do I still count?

[@jesusjar11]

Same here +Prog metal; I kinda don't relate to any other genres.

[@KiraTobira]

what i recently realized on my release radar playlist is, AI generated "metal" i hope its not always the case

[@WispKeeper69]

F*n love Dream Evil

[@hooktraining3966]

Haven't finished the vid so forgive me if you did mention it; the album Petrodraconic Apocalypse by King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard is an amazing intro to metal

[@marrdreg7025]

I forgot Dream Evil existed, that was a solid album

[@hmmm5200]

I don't know if it's the same in Canada, but in the US the Heavy Metal playlist on Spotify is one of the Made for You playlists. Which means it would be based on Nik's listening history to an extent. Mine looks a bit different.

[@jaspermol_]

The playlist you used is based on your own references. This means that songs that might not belong in the heavy metal genre are there because Spotify thinks you'll like it

[@mhh7544]

To my generation, bands that sound like DragonForce, were called speed metal, Helloween being prime exsample.

[@0num4]

That Dream Evil album had the legendary Gus G on guitar. Dude is an absolute virtuoso.

[@slashmonkey-dj9hx]

taylor swift = woman in her thirties crying about her exes like shes a teenager shes so soft, salt n pepper is too spicy for her

[@B0N3SAWisR3ADYY]

Dude, Lutharo is legit!!! Check out their song Reaper's Call!

[@chrispacey]

😎

[@skaruts]

"heavy metal" is often used as a blanket term for everything metal and everything that is adjacent to metal. So yea, if we're building a generalized metal list, it's going to include a bit of everything, and it will include stuff that sounds like metal, like grindcore or hard rock. I have no problem with that, tbh. Shit like Starset shouldn't be there, though. At a glance it sounded more like cheap pop with guitars, or something.

[@aidankenealy2231]

Tbh if im talking to my friends that don't listen to heavy music I just describe everything as heavy metal or hardcore because they will generally have an idea of what they are, i cant be asked remembering the hundred or so sub genres of music and trying to explain them to people who dont really listen to heavy music. If you ask most of these bands what genre of music they play, they will just say metal anyway.

[@Peasant_in_a_tree]

Bro, you dont know exhorder? Thats who ex cannibal corpse guitar player joined after house burning. Legends in N O L A

[@cryotimber]

Bro......imagine hearing the intro to The Book of Heavy Metal and not NEEDING to hear it through. Unsat

[@Asher_Motionless570]

I love one foot in the grave 🧍 Not sure why darkbloom is on there, that’s deathcore, atleast the version with brand of sacrifice, idk about that one if its the same or not.

[@calebstahl2215]

Glad to see Lutharo get some more exposure

[@InCorCadit]

I think the best heavy metal bands are posting their songs not on Spotify, but on Suno right now.

[@skwissgaar_skwigelf_kdz3251]

ive been really into albacore lately. also , to all angry redditors 7:50 - 7:53 your hot pocket is getting cold.

[@TheHobatron]

3:45 Halo Effect are ex-In Flames members after In Flames changed musical direction, I do believe

[@ssebasgoo]

The book of heavy metal... It's been years since I didn't ear this. Since I played brutal legend, I think. Good playlist.

[@kimchi2780]

Dream Evil is Gus G on guitar! Dream Evil Break the Chains is insanely good.

[@BurstingVeins1]

Oh man, you haven't heard Dream Evil before? You've got to listen to them, they're fantastic quality classic heavy metal.

[@szgcrow]

Popupar monster is on this playlist. 10:44