Best 3D 180 Camera for Immersive & Spatial Video? Canon R7 + RF-S3.9mm Dual Fisheye Review in VR180

[@hughhou]

KZbin still has compression even in 4K is less than 8K. For original quality we recommend exam the footages directly inside your Apple Vision Pro or Meta Quest 3. We provided BOTH spatial video and 180 immersive video for download. Download links are in here: www.patreon.com/HughHouFilm - After watching in HMD, comment and let us know what you think. The Spatial Video is pretty good 👍🏻

[@captteemo9133]

True! 8K3D360 on KZbin looks like garbage, same streamed via PCVR absolutely amazing!

[@captteemo9133]

(Quest 3 not powerful enogh for AV1 / H265 with good bitrates)

[@lensflareclips]

It would be really interesting to see a comparison between the R5C+RF5.2 and R7+RFS3.9 with both source videos being enhanced with tools like Topaz and the 4K from the R7 upscaled to 8K. We use Topaz with R5C 8K material to get an acceptable quality and detail not using any filters from the EOS Utility software, which are really crap.

[@hughhou]

This one does not have any enhancement but yes, I will show the enhancement in my upcoming tutorial. Sharper the base image, lesser compression, higher bit-depther, the easier time Topaz will have. This setup does check all the boxes. But there is a combination models that work better or worse. I will go into details in my tutorial sereis. Cheers!

[@justinmoravetz4544]

As a VR developer, I enjoy comparisons like this. I’ve been seriously considering getting into 3D 180 content creation. Really looking to finally upgrade my VuzeXR.

[@hughhou]

Glad I could help!

[@satay71]

_"Mystery camera, soon to replace the Evo"_ This intrigued me more that anything else in the video! Will Insta360 finally return to fill the gap in the market!?? 🤔

[@hughhou]

I wish I can share more but I can’t yet lol

[@ThomasKropf]

@@hughhouhow long until you CAN share? 😁

[@halimrahman]

I am hoping that the new camera will be released this year and costs less than $1000.

[@davidpacheco5501]

@@ThomasKropf Well he said stay tuned until the next video and he uploads approximatley every 4 days so hopefully 4 days!

[@VRGEyt]

我也很期待

[@L3eh123]

Interested to see what improvements Apple will bring with the iPhone 16 Pro in terms on 3D ‘spatial’ capture. I hope 🤞 it will be the best point an shoot 3D Camera we have seen so far, challenged only by professional VR180 rigs. We live in hope though eh?

[@hughhou]

I hope so too. Still no news on the iPhone 16 Pro and huge investment on Apple part to turn this into a proper 3D camera with identical lenses.

[@briankensington8459]

I think that unless that add two identical lenses at 60-65 mm separation, it’s still going to be whelming. I have tried watching spatial videos from my 15 pro on my quest 3, and by far the most annoying thing is that one eye is noticeably more blurry. IMO they should have two 8k60fps capable ultrawide lenses 60 mm apart, with the 2nd lens at the bottom of the phone. 4k is too blurry at 180, though if they want to keep their smaller spatial video fob window I guess it’s ok.

[@carylittleford8980]

Be great to know how the Lume Pad 2 cameras compare.

[@hughhou]

I don't think the Lume Pad 2 camera can come close as it is fully auto and very small sensor

[@0LoneTech]

@@hughhou And very small interlens distance. They rely heavily on stereo amplification.

[@paulct91]

How do people do live camera monitoring for VR focused cameras? Is it using an attached VR headset or 3D display, or something else?

[@hughhou]

Both! You can stream into VR or use the 3D display for video village

[@ElaztikaVR]

I came in for the Mystery Box, lol. I mean the mystery camera. Gotta wait till the next episode. It's a great Comparison video, too.

[@hughhou]

Thank you thank you!!

[@whyme8068]

Is there an underwater housing that will work with the R7 and dual fisheye?

[@hughhou]

Not for R7 yet as it’s so news. But we are testing and filmmaking an underwater house for R5C and the old modified Dual Fish as we speak and more underwater related sample coming right up very soon

[@TheiandiMusicStudio]

Great job, thank you!

[@hughhou]

Glad it was helpful!

[@dirkfinger6119]

hi. 😁your video brings me back to filming 180 3d videos. I have 2 questions: 1. does it help if i film with the r7 and upscale these videos for example with topaz video ai ? 2. is the older canon dual fisheye usable with an r6? I have an r6 and could buy a good canon RF5.2mm L dual fisheye second hand. What do you think and the community?

[@hughhou]

1. Yes, this is my workflow and what I will teach in my next tutorial 2. Yes, with R6 you also only get 4K VR180. Basically similar setup as this without the autofocus.

[@dirkfinger6119]

@@hughhou Thank you very much! Autofocus is an important keyword. Then I'm looking forward to the tutorial for the r7 upscale workflow😁👍

[@SlavaRC]

Amazing technology!❤🎉😊

[@hughhou]

indeed

[@captteemo9133]

Great video as always! Thanks :) Would love to see a bit more regarding 3D360 but there is not much movement regarding new cameras there, right?

[@hughhou]

There is a very expensive one coming 😅

[@davidpacheco5501]

@@hughhou I wonder if you'd be able to take two VR180 cameras and stitch them together to create a 3D360 Vid. Obviously the depth at the sides would look a bit wack but curious how well it would work.

[@justinmoravetz4544]

@@davidpacheco5501I think you would need 3-4 to get proper stitching

[@Fatman305]

@@justinmoravetz4544 My guess is that MAYBE a top-spec'ed MacBook Pro could handle that. I hope I'm wrong...

[@creativeconnection4U]

You are the best! I love all the production stuff, but as a pro editor in really interested in post updates as well! Any news on the new Davinci immersive video workflow Apple hinted at?

[@hughhou]

I am working on that as well. Post usually take longer time for myself to learn as well

[@rayfeng466]

Why Teche 3DVR180 is missing in the comparison, how does it rank with others?

[@hughhou]

Because Teche price is above them all (beside R5C). So Teche and Kandao VR180 are more a professional level VR180 camera. But I should compare it as well in our next video

[@stanislavmykhailiuk3756]

Hi Hugh! Why does Moonplayer not show CanonR7-DualFisheyeLens-HEVC-AVP.mov video in 3D (but only SpatialGen)?

[@hughhou]

So there is 2 download links - there is one for Moonplayer but also for Meta Quest native high quality playback. And there is one is MV-HEVC for SpatialGen, Kandao XR or the "future" Apple native player for playback. Apple and Meta use different format. That is why I provide both for download. For that one is MV-HEVC - only native Apple codec can playback but it is hardware accelerated and in general way higher quality than the other way. Not this camera as it is only 4K so does not really matter.

[@sandys-channel]

🤞 for a new consumer level VR180 camera to replace my Insta360 EVO

[@hughhou]

It is coming!!!!!

[@Fatman305]

@@hughhou I'll believe it when I see it.... So so many letdowns....

[@RealMakerOfStuff]

Hi Hugh, I'm a big fan of your channel! I have a technical question for you if you don't mind. I create 3D 360 and 180 VR videos with Blender animation software. I've uploaded some of these videos to KZbin awhile ago (last year or more) but now when I try uploading 180 3D VR videos (mp4) they upload but when KZbin tries to process them it fails. I mainly export my videos from After Effects and in the H264 properties I check VR and 180 by 180 and side by side. I have also tried injecting VR metadata with two different Spatial injectors (for 180VR) I've found but nothing seems to work. When you try to google this kind of thing you really only get info from 2-3 years ago. It's very frustrating! Can you shed some light on why this isn't working (for me) all of a sudden. Did something at KZbin change? Maybe the metadata format changed? I really want to start creating more 180 VR content on my channel but this problem has made it come to a screeching halt. Thanks in advance!

[@hughhou]

I don't think the KZbin metadata has changed but maybe After Effects changed. What I will suggest is make sure your file is 2 by 1 ratio. Then proper VR180 side by side format. Then render it from After Effects in PRORES and render H.265 / HEVC from Premiere (if you have AE, you should have PR). In Premiere, inject Side by side, VR 180 metadata there. As Premiere is the best metadata injector and work with both Meta Quest and KZbin VR. So you won't go wrong there - I have been using it including this video and work like magic. After Effects has lots of change lately and I won't trust Adobe on that lol. PR every VR editors are using it so they can not mess up .

[@ElaztikaVR]

@@hughhou nice explanation

[@romualpiecyk]

Great insight as always, thank you! Not much difference in quality between the R7 and the R5C set ups. I'm a beginner with an Insta360 X4. Looking to up my game and invest into a higher quality system. Was looking at the R5C kit but this R7 set up seems just as good for about half the price.

[@hughhou]

You will see different when I up the resolution in 8K. But then only Quest 3 or Vision Pro can play it.

[@Andrewe1]

ohhh I hope the mystery "evo successor" releases soon!

[@hughhou]

Like very very soon.

[@davidpacheco5501]

​@@hughhouGahh it's so exciting!!

[@Fatman305]

@@hughhou Just tell us if it'll be your next personal cam for vacations or you're still gonna go for the R7 so we don't get our hopes so high lolz

[@khoatro]

I'm very appreciative of the content and information you and your channel provide, but tbh, the dark graining noisy video was hard to watch right after watching a normal well lite 4k video on another channel. Can't wait till these camera/lenses gets better at this.

[@hughhou]

Some of the dark video is without denoise and color grade so it is hard. But we can clear it up easy in post.

[@YGershteyn]

A visual comparison of pictures is, as always, interesting and informative. Thank you. The results of shooting in the dark are impressive. The statement about the new camera is very intriguing. We are waiting for further information. A small note - it seems to me that it takes the viewer some time to fully perceive the stereo effect of the picture. Therefore, a rapidly changing image reduces the impression. I think that time-lapse shooting is not entirely suitable for such a video.

[@hughhou]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@captteemo9133]

Hi Hugh :) you said you will followup on the problems you mentioned in the Kandao Qoocam 3 a month ago. Just wanted to know if and how far they solved it or if you have some long term experiences for us? This is especisally important for Kandao since they are not very fast in Updates in the consumer market due to less customers than insta360 so I need to know if I can rely on them fixing stuff or not. Btw: How long does it last outside without overheating?

[@sesinhosantos5047]

What is the best VR180 one can achieve in the lowest end? I am so interested in this, but seein the starting point being 1700$ certainly makes me lose most of the interest.

[@paulct91]

Maybe Apple iPhone for Spatial Video (3D Stereo) capture, or borrow a friend's iPhone and shoot some test shoots?

[@hughhou]

Insta360 EVO is the lowest end for now. Then the Mystery camera highlighted here is the next option. More affordable point and shoot spatial camera are coming. Our next video will interest you :)

[@sesinhosantos5047]

I need a camera with maybe more modest specs but a hardware that delivers them 100%. Something between consumer and prosumer would be awesome. I still have hope

[@Pascal.91]

What I really like is the fact that I can look this video not only on quest but also flat on my Apple TV. Great job with framing. But sadly I'm waiting for an VR 180 3D solution for my APSC Sony Camera. I know, quality isn't as nice than with Canon 8K but the versatility would be nice not to carry x cameras with me

[@hughhou]

Awesome! Thank you! I believe converter from third party is coming as now Canon open the RF ecosystem for third party lens maker (also very recent news). So just give sometime for lens makers to catch up. This lens is still very very new with very limited stocks.

[@Pascal.91]

@@hughhou will there be an video on your channel if that happens? I know it makes almost no sense because the lense will be more expensive than my camera (bought used) but my decision will be the lens with adapter on my Sony or a used Insta360 Pro to start with VR Content. It's an expensive hobby and I wouldn't generate any money out of it

[@CopenhagenVR]

@@Pascal.91 for photography of objects not in motion, consider just using a normal fisheye lens and a slider on the tripod. That also allows you to use very long exposures on low iso and get noisefree sharp images. The most recent one on my channel is shot with a single A7C this way. The A7C would not have had enough resolution to use this stereo fisheye lens. R7 barely has enough. The 3.9mm fisheye achieves 21 pixels/degree (ppd) in photo mode and in video only 11.6!. With the full Samyang fisheye on my A7C I get (monoscopic) 27.2 ppd

[@Pascal.91]

@@CopenhagenVR yes but i Like to have it in 3D, that’s the main reason for my question for an adapter

[@user-ke8vk8bo4j]

As a CALF camera owner, I know about this "mystery camera" the canceled kickstarter, and have been waiting for more news. Nice to see them entrusting you for pre-release feedback. What's your thought on 8k 30fps vs 6k 50fps, low light performance. When do you plan on posting a review sample?

[@jaredneaves7007]

If this is the plastic calf I'm really not interested. We need competitors to the insta 360 x4 but in vr180 format. Real levels that an owner of a quest 3 can shoot video for their headset. $1500 cameras are unattainable for casual users

[@jeffzheng1913]

What is the frame rate of video clips shot with Canon R7?

[@hughhou]

This video is 29.94fps (30fps). But it can shoot 4K in 60fps with lesser quality. We recommand to shoot in 30fps as 4K Fine mode is a 7K super sample mode so the quality is close to R5C.

[@ProgrammistMusic]

we can always count on Hugh Hou 🙂

[@hughhou]

Haha thank you!!

[@camerasutra247]

How did you edit the R7 spatial video and does KZbin let you upload this type of video

[@hughhou]

I have a tutorial here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHnXfIKufKqcd9ksi=PijWdLkYFm_MWIkN - but KZbin allow me to upload just regular 3D SBS video not spatial video but I can allow people download my spatial video and watch it ONLY on Vision Pro - link in the descrption BTW, and it is free. Take a look the quality is pretty amazing.

[@camerasutra247]

@@hughhou awesome I will check it out. Appreciate appreciate you, my man.

[@paulct91]

7:20 - That is one tall tower!

[@hughhou]

That is the famous Taipei 101 - used to be the tallest building in the world until Dubai beat it.

[@captteemo9133]

Wow far better specs and no fan? Sounds like a 20kg size just to enable enough cooling? 😅 More expensive than Pro 2 or than Titan? Just give me a hint in what price range we are moving here :D I really would love something more run and gunnable than the Pro 2 that still can capture 3D or something better with the same form factor :) (Anyway I am really excited even if it is too expensive for me ^^)

[@hughhou]

More then Titan. Not bigger tho as there is CNC heat dissipation does not need fans - just very expensive material instead of plastic like Titan or Pro 2.

[@captteemo9133]

​@@hughhouOh :( hopefully Insta360 finds some smart things to copy for Pro 3 one day. We need prosumer level 3603D too... :(

[@captteemo9133]

@hugh hou oh no... very expensive means 20-30k€ or more? I have dreamed of an Insta360 Pro 2 Rework without fan, smaller, 11k or so and better low light performance. 😅 Or at least in that price range ^^

[@hughhou]

It’s 3D 360 - way higher specs than Pro 2 with RAW capture, 16 stop Dynamic Range, no fan, professional grade, but it’s more* in price. You will hear in here soon. Not release yet.

[@vrASMR180]

Canon shouldn't have released this in my opinion. The industry should be striving for the best VR experience possible and 8K is the minimum. The only positive spin I can put on this is maybe the price point will result in a huge uptick in creators and content, and then the consumer will demand the higher quality.

[@hughhou]

Well, I wrote a post on Reddit there voice my opinion on lower 4K immersive video. It’s actually necessary b/c of KZbin 4K limit and wider headset support. Check it out here: www.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/s/aNqQPhdaS8

[@vrASMR180]

@@hughhou KZbin 4k limit? I'm seeing a lot of 8K 180/360 videos on KZbin now.

[@ElaztikaVR]

@@vrASMR180Hi, I believe the 4K restrictions are when you watch VR VIDEOS on KZbin VR. There's a trick to watch up to more than 4K on the Quest3. But I'm not sure cause I don't connect my VR HEADSETS to the internet. I only use my headsets to check for the quality of my VR videos before uploading them to KZbin.

[@vrASMR180]

@@ElaztikaVR Trick? The KZbin app on Quest 3 supports 8K now. You just select quality settings and choose 8k. It looks great. Quest 2 does not support it. I assume Apple Vision Pro supports 8K when viewing KZbin correct?

[@ElaztikaVR]

@@vrASMR180 Thank you for that. I didn't know. I thought it was a trick or something you must do first to see it in better resolution. I don't have the Quest 3. and I don't connect them to WIFI. I have the QUEST2, the PSVR, and the GO.

[@hmhhou6464]

明白。我们喜欢！❤

[@yahavya]

Vuze was the best ever camera for 180 and 360

[@hughhou]

Lol, who still have a Vuze?

[@ElaztikaVR]

@@hughhouI have the VUZE XR and VUZE + 3D 360 gotta love the classics.

[@justinmoravetz4544]

@@hughhouI do haha