Crimewatch UK March 1989

Nick Ross and Sue Cook present. Cases include the murder of Lionel Webb, a rape in Tunbridge Wells and a robbery in Middlesbrough.
I cannot find currently February 1989. However, I do know the case of the murder of Keith Burgess in Bristol is on youtube at: • 1989 12 17 Burgess murder

[@Wadworth6XLad]

Nick: “There won’t be many children aged 10 watching Crimewatch.” Turns out there were quite a few of us!

[@hihowareyouthen]

Yup! Scarred for life 😆

[@gujh03]

Around this time I was listening to Kylie and Jason but yeah I did watch this also.

[@neilt4723]

Ha ha was just thinking this as I watched, I was 8 😆 Soon as I’d finished, right Neil, you were allowed to stay up but come on now, time for bed …. Floorboard creaking when I was in bed and literally my arse ran off

[@sarahwilliams755]

Thinking the even though I was 7 at the time.

[@ajs41]

I was very much one of them.

[@SKisatourist2010]

I think while watching this episode in 1989, my mum told me when the rapes reconstruction came on that I shouldn’t be watching this and sent me to bed. I was 11 at the time but watching these uploads since the first one from 84 reminded me I was watching every single episode from summer 85 at least and we would often sit and watch it as a family as I can remember some if the comments my mum and brother would make. For example, the robbery at Surrey University in which a Renault Fuego was stolen, my brother said “Asking for it if they left the keys in it” and the arson in Northampton where the son of the family was watching Castle Keep, my mum said “ I was watching that film”. Going through these is a bit like reliving my childhood.

[@Hi-kq1vi]

My mum wouldn't let us watch Grange Hill when we were very young-but had no problems with CrimeWatch a few years later. Anyway this case was finally solved in 2005-the guy had been arrested as part of Operation Ore in 2004 for downloading indecent images of children, his DNA was taken as a result & then matched to this crime. Seems he had never been in any trouble with the police. theukdatabase.com/2012/05/08/david-kirby-tunbridge-wells-eastbourne/

[@MM0SDK]

I was allowed to watch (i was 11 as well when this aired) but never got to see the update, that was too late. Right Mark, up you go now, school in the morning.

[@jasonwldes7636]

@@Hi-kq1vi what Nutty Twat he IS

[@mrkipling2201]

Same here. I remember I started watching it from about 1986 with my family. Even though I was only young. I would only be allowed to watch the main program though, the update was on too late!! Even though I asked my parents on a number of occasions if I could stay up to watch it!!

[@Thenorthsace]

This is youtube not this is your life ffs

[@BlytheWorld1972]

Love this channel thanks again for making my night loving theses retro crimewatch episodes

[@nathaniliescu4597]

Enjoy your cellulite.

[@meggriffin94]

The Tunbridge Wells attacker was an ex-soldier named David Kirby. He was caught in 2004 when he was arrested for a different crime.

[@Thenorthsace]

Shut up meg

[@neilt4723]

Wonder if he’s out

[@Bambisgf77]

Thank you for the update.

[@BossySwan]

Disgusting of Tunbridge Wells

[@ajs41]

@@neilt4723 He'll be walking the streets by now.

[@TheRealAndroidDoctor]

1st of all i just wanna say a special thanx to my favourite youtuber of 2018 & beyond Redcard74, NOW THATS OUT THE WAY GOOD NIGHT MY CRIMEWATCH FAMILY HOW ARE U ALL?

[@helencompton3320]

Great to see this pop up in my notifications. Hello Crimewatch squad! 👋🕵🏻‍♀️

[@deanmobley1112]

I’m rewatching these again Helen 🙈😂

[@Paul8342]

This is turning into a mild addiction haha!

[@Paul8342]

joe santo That is quite possible haha!

[@lnteIIigence]

I'm not addicted. I can stop whenever I want. But now I'm here I might as well just watch this episode...

[@sirandrelefaedelinoge]

@@lnteIIigence Just one last hit to get you well... 💉💊

[@mrkipling2201]

I think it’s time you went to detox!! 🤣🤣

[@adeleadeje18cheesecake]

Perfect! You're timing is impeccable - thank you!

[@Tominparid]

Sue Cook has a wonderful voice

[@noellegunning3301]

I agree

[@jupitorious7925]

Alan partridge

[@shinyphil87]

@Jupitorious "Sue Cook's pulled out".

[@valuetraveler2026]

all-round nice

[@valuetraveler2026]

@@shinyphil87 I woldnt pull out

[@deanmobley1112]

It’s that time!!!!!! Evening everyone and thank you Redcard 👍🏼

[@zeddeka]

The Lionel Webb murder remains unsolved. He had some very heavy connections. Police believe however that it was drugs related. A quantity of drugs were found in the safe where he worked and at his home. It was reported "Lionel Webb was alleged to have been part of a gang of armed robbers operating out of Birmingham in the 1980s working for criminals that later went on to run large international drug operations stretching as far as Panama." Apparently as security became much tighter, armed robbery became much more difficult and many armed robbers moved into drugs. Lionel Webb appears to have been one of them.

[@valuetraveler2026]

I would say 60:40 are solved?

[@zeddeka]

​@@valuetraveler2026it's really hard to tell. Sadly, it's hard to find information about a lot of the different cases Crimewatch featured.

[@zeddeka]

​@@valuetraveler2026difficult to say. Very hard to find info about a lot of the cases.

[@kdwskdws]

The efit at 6:58 should be easy to track down cause he obviously gets his hair cut in North Korea

[@steveforest8385]

...and has glandular disorder.

[@valeriemacphail9180]

😄😄😅🤣🤣🤣

[@Alessiasbackheal]

No efit at that timestamp

[@diabolicalartificer]

The video fit at 6:53 is hilarious, poor bloke looks like he's been startled by a ferret. The copper looks like he's been hit by a big fish as a kid, his ears are out of whack.

[@olegenie1007]

lol

[@mrkipling2201]

25:13 that pub the Plough is one of the few old pubs that is still open in London. Makes a change!!

[@Compleme_Cunm]

Hope it still serves food on actual plates, those are also a dying breed.

[@stephenroche4897]

I wonder what percentage of cars in the uk at this time were either escorts or sierras?

[@patricksinnott3347]

Funny I was just thinking that and all criminals seemed to drive cavaliers😂

[@Aarontlondon]

I reckon around 60% minimum! Ford have a tiny share of the market today comparibly

[@spike197047]

Capri's were also very popular around the same time too.

[@trabali5168]

even though the vauxhall equivalents were faster and easier to break in to

[@rs-qt1qg]

You can do a DVLA freedom of information request if you really wanna know lol

[@Jimwoodward1212]

what was the name of that song playing at 15:33 at the Kentish Yeoman Pub in Tunbridge Wells?

[@MsPurplePixie]

Jimwoodward1212 Song is End of the line by the travelling wilburys

[@LANCSKID]

@@MsPurplePixiewithout Roy Orbison?

[@GotMeStumped]

Helen Phelps' voice needs to be used for Siri

[@LANCSKID]

It would melt my phone from the inside out.

[@katemissfilanpurrmcdevitt]

Thanks again for the uploads I enjoy them have a great day Xx

[@cosmic687]

travelling wilburys on the pub juke

[@andrewcorcoran7718]

I love the way he's says mustash mutstosh

[@dazdeluxe6672]

it is pronounced mustosh in England

[@leedummett4412]

the reconstructions were awesome. using real witnesses and real locations.

[@chasey2327]

'he's got a mustosh' - said it for years and none of the programme directors ever thought 'hang on...'

[@dazdeluxe6672]

what else should they say? that's how its pronounced in England

[@chasey2327]

@@dazdeluxe6672 it's prounounced 'mustashe' as u'd know if u were english lad

[@dazdeluxe6672]

@@chasey2327 You would know it's pronounced mustosh, if You were English, I'm 50 and grew up in Hampshire, it was always mustosh

[@soylentgreennewdealtimeshare]

An estate agent, working all week, with a plan to buy the whole block, popular about town, helping employees to buy cars or however he could. These are all the key facts, and it's a real mystery.

[@joshuaedwards4536]

Lionel Alfonso Webb, if you google that name you'll see that he was a well known renouned armed robber from the 80s, in Birmingham, well known to the law, heavily involved with drugs, and maybe under-cutting rivals on previous business deals, most of the gang went to jail, some are still alive, Lionel, along with some others, met a grisly end.....

[@soylentgreennewdealtimeshare]

@@joshuaedwards4536 Isn't it odd? Viewers would not have had a clue from watching Crimewatch. Telly is a funny game.

[@joshuaedwards4536]

@@soylentgreennewdealtimeshare yes, and I had to Google LIONEL ALFONSO WEBB, for all the information to come up, interesting as well, he was part of a notoriously well known armed robbery gang back in the 80s, heavily involved with drug dealing

[@Thenorthsace]

What i don’t get is he mentions in the reconstruction that he’s in loads of debt but yet is offering 70 grand for a business 🤔

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

@@Thenorthsace Sounds like he was thinking he was coming into some cash. All dodgy. How did the cops not know he was into armed robbery and drugs if it was all documented.

[@MM0SDK]

It was many years after they stopped people listening on 151MHz to the police. ;) Tetra ruined it. And mobile phones on 900Mhz. Gone are those days.

[@kevintraynor4508]

I don't know if it's just me but iv watched that many of theses. When I stop watching all I can constantly hear is Nick and Sues voices talking about the crimes and reconstructions

[@wc6936]

Thanks Redcard. 👍

[@SKisatourist2010]

Anyone know if Lionel Webb’s murder was solved? Second case in recent months (after David Short) where the victim was involved in dealing drugs.

[@dk401]

According to a Birmingham post article from a few years back its still unsolved but points at drugs dealing as the motive.

[@Hi-kq1vi]

Nope, but the chump was in way over his head. www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/brummie-mastermind-who-ran-drugs-242605

[@SuperTed19021]

Hmm, he must has lived a double life. Killed by the underground. Anyway, unsolved murders are always a shame.

[@piotrgadowski3506]

How do you know the murder of David Short was drug related?

[@mrkipling2201]

David Short was the guy who had the white Rover that had paint stripper thrown over it?? Seemed like a few people had grudges against him??

[@edwardfrench9925]

Nick Ross “fear is the greatest penalty we pay for crime so don’t have nightmares.” Really? Ask Lionel Webb what he thinks...

[@nathaniliescu4597]

Mr Webb was quite a big time gangster, he wasnt an innocent victim.

[@mrkipling2201]

I’ve heard that he was involved in drugs dealing. Probably a motive if it was true??

[@user-zr3pj5tk7k]

@@mrkipling2201 Is that why there was weed in the shop and speed at his home?

[@mrkipling2201]

@@user-zr3pj5tk7k certainly possible….

[@AACE73]

These days it's Council Tax & insurance!!

[@therevival9707]

didn't you upload Feb 1989 yesterday?

[@johncook496]

The Revival the Keith Burgess Murder was Christmas 1989, so wonder if it’s the February 90 episode that’s missing?

[@therevival9707]

thats what I thought, assume it was a typo then

[@dorianrose4622]

Mr Redcar. I really love you ur the king of KZbin

[@redcard7475]

Thanks Dorian, glad you enjoy them!!

[@Kill--alllll---IDF]

@@redcard7475 hi do you have crimewatch from July Aug Sept 2002 plz ?

[@away2964]

Great theme song! I may make it my ringtone.

[@carlhamilton8531]

Loved this program. Takes me bacl to my childhood.

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

The spelling is 'programme'.

[@carlhamilton8531]

@@treasurehunteruk9718 Wow. I bet you are a good fun a party.

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

@@carlhamilton8531 Even party goers have to work during the day, and it helps in your career if you can SPELL JUNIOR SCHOOL WORDS!!!!!

[@carlhamilton8531]

@@treasurehunteruk9718 ha ha. What a tool.

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

@@carlhamilton8531 Well, you've learned something, so you will know next time .....

[@Lushgirl81]

Courting couples! 🤣 that’s the polite name for it!

[@BossySwan]

aka DOGGERS

[@09weenic]

Unbelievable that they didn’t lock their car door ! Thankfully they got someone in 2005 who was jailed for 13 years

[@sell3100]

@@09weenic Who cares whether they locked the car door or not?! This creep had no right to do what he did...

[@mrkipling2201]

@@sell3100 exactly. Weirdo scumbag.

[@09weenic]

@@sell3100 they still should have locked the doors for their own security

[@hughjass2745]

Lionel sounds like he was laundering money and his estate agency might have been a front for a bigger operation using him.

[@anthonyosullivan268]

Any update on the Loretta Bateman murder?

[@09weenic]

Cannot find anything about it - I presume it’s still unsolved

[@anthonymcken6050]

I've just sent the MET an FOI request to find out what happened.

[@anthonyosullivan268]

@@anthonymcken6050 good luck with that. Will the MET release that kind of info. The alleged perp lived near my uncle in Croydon.

[@anthonymcken6050]

​@@anthonyosullivan268they did respond but they said that it remains unsolved.

[@strongcoffee7]

DS Graham Strange now that is an excellent name......

[@anthonymcken6050]

12:40 the murder of Loretta Bateman remains unsolved.

[@09weenic]

Looks like she was murdered by Colonel Gadaffi 😂

[@janephillips6031]

Goodness i grew up in Fleet and i dont remember that attack on the mother and her daughter. I wonder if he was caught?

[@23hublock1]

I used to love Tandy, and then I used to love Maplin lol

[@Sam-bz1hr]

Bought my first scanner from tandy 👮

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

You could buy ONE battery. Everywhere these days sells batteries in packs of four, and you can't use the rest, and they rot in your drawer ..............

[@ratedrbeboparcade]

30:58 I seen this car recently do I get a reward? 👀

[@LANCSKID]

I love the way that Susie and Helen refers to ‘a place used by courting couples.’

[@chris8374]

One from Middlesbrough it's where I live it's mad on crimewatch

[@curvedglass1]

Chris83 I used to live in Boro

[@MrDJM81]

Wasn’t a great time for those with a pockmarked face!

[@Alessiasbackheal]

Mustosh is giving me life 😅😂😅

[@valuetraveler2026]

imagine chasing robbers of someone elses jewelry store wouldnt happen today

[@AACE73]

Ah but they luckily had weapons 😅

[@booers79]

They often say "courting couples" on Crimewatch. I recall laughing at my grandparents in the 80s for using the term "courting" as it sounded so old-fashioned, so I'm surprised to hear it here.

[@gujh03]

Doesn't happen any more. Probably nowadays youngsters go to uni and don't need to buy in them days some were probably embarrassed to bring their partners home.

[@zeddeka]

I think it was used as a bit of a euphemism here...

[@booers79]

@@zeddekaoh yes, I know it means couples getting it on! But “courting” seems so old fashioned. They could have just said “couples” and the same message would come across.

[@Compleme_Cunm]

The BBC wouldn't have permitted the use of the phrase "pair of shaggers"

[@booers79]

All I mean is “courting” was an old fashioned term even back then. I don’t expect them to be crass!

[@CARLIN4737]

Like many of these murders the Lionel webb murder remains unsolved. Sadly.

[@nathaniliescu4597]

Good, he was a big time gangster and met a fitting end.

[@zeddeka]

Police apparently believe it was drugs related. Drugs were later found stored in the safe where he worked.

[@michaelpout2208]

time for more crimewatch

[@jimmyt5921]

Redcard your top draw 🙂

[@kevintraynor4508]

If the locations have been changed it's not acurret . How can a persons memory be jogged if they change things?

[@BossySwan]

What is it with Tunbridge Wells and serial offenders named David?

[@michellebooth327]

Ironically I watch these to remind me of better days. Fuck me,things must be bad these days😫

[@zeddeka]

We certainly have our problems now, but crime is a million times better. As of 2023, crime was at its lowest ever level. If we're honest, the 80s were pretty grim in many ways.

[@diegestive4167]

​@@zeddekaProbably because most crimes don't get reported because the police don't turn up

[@STEJTHEGREATEST]

41:41 That's what hitler would've looked like as a high school football coach instead of a world dictator.

[@meggriffin94]

16:20 scary

[@jahreign3132]

Its not Barbadian its BAJAN

[@sirandrelefaedelinoge]

Not when you speak English, as opposed to *Bajanianistani...*

[@anthonymcken6050]

Bajan is the colloquial term in Barbados but outside of the country its Barbadian.

[@STEJTHEGREATEST]

38:37 If you put ginger hair on him, he'd be Willy Wonka!!!

[@SuperTed19021]

London seemed more empty in those days. PS: Was the murder of Lionel Webb ever solved?

[@rs-qt1qg]

It was a Sunday and in those days most businesses were closed all day even in London.

[@trabali5168]

@@rs-qt1qg Yeah but lionel seemed to be dodgy as they come.

[@rs-qt1qg]

Trab Ali apparently he was murdered due to drugs (there were probably cannabis plants in that black bag in the reconstruction) or due to shady property deals where he undercut his rivals. What estate agent keeps weed in his safe?

[@piotrgadowski3506]

This murder hasn't been solved, unfortunately :/

[@piotrgadowski3506]

@@rs-qt1qg What's so strange about weed in safe? He couldn't keep it in a desk drawer.

[@lukewilly]

23:39 3 years in prison. She would probably get community service these days

[@zeddeka]

What makes you think that? If anything, sentencing is a lot tougher these days. Just look at some of the ridiculous penalties child sex offenders got back then - often just a fine. No sex offenders register back then, nothing.

[@DanWhoResells]

One thing guaranteed on crimewatch, David Hatcher will fluff his lines at some point

[@CARLIN4737]

Splendid. 😉 that's my Thursday afternoon sorted. Cracking 😉

[@nathaniliescu4597]

Sad.

[@Thenorthsace]

It takes you a whole afternoon to watch an episode of crimewatch

[@stfitness]

Yes!!

[@michaelbowling4685]

who killed lionel

[@joshuaedwards4536]

I'd assume it was due to his past as a notorious well known ex-armed robber in Birmingham, drug dealing was involved as well, maybe under-cutting people in business deals as well

[@mrkipling2201]

@@joshuaedwards4536 drunk dealing?? Bloody auto spell eh?? 🤣🤣👍👍

[@joshuaedwards4536]

@@mrkipling2201 sorry about that, I must correct it 🤣🤣🤣

[@mrkipling2201]

@@joshuaedwards4536 🤣🤣👍👍

[@joshuaedwards4536]

@@mrkipling2201 he might well have been drunk whilst dealing as well, who knows.....🤣🤣

[@markczarny7088]

Did he or the BBC EVER APOLOGISE TO BARRY GEORGE. False accusations are also crimes

[@mrkipling2201]

George Fisher from the photocall 58 years old?? And the rest!! Looked about 70!!

[@valuetraveler2026]

courting couples in dingy carparks - deary me

[@LANCSKID]

Hasn’t changed much …

[@robnunn6201]

Lionel should have been watching the Merseyside derby that day. Ended 1-1.

[@TimmyTickle]

12:18 - Brian May?

[@SajidHussain-lj5mr]

Sue Cook is Absolutely Stunning

[@LANCSKID]

She most certainly is … but I saw her first, Sajid.

[@Wadworth6XLad]

Assume Feb was a typo and the missing episode is Apr’89 (although I don’t believe Keith Burgess is featured until March 1990 - could be wrong though). If Apr 89 is missing that features the murder of Michael Fahy who was a vagrant killed in the St Paul’s area of Bristol (a real no-go zone after dark in those days). Was quite looking forward to seeing that one as I’m from the Westcountry myself but Fahy’s murder is another one that remains unsolved.

[@CatLowe50]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJyvfpyJnKqse5Y The Michael Fahy reconstruction - just in case it IS the missing episode!

[@Wadworth6XLad]

Nice one! Had no idea it was already out there. Thanks muchly.

[@jenniferkelly5897]

I know this comment was made a while ago but just thought I should mention, in case you haven't already found it, the April 89 case is on here.

[@simonbath]

It helps, when attempting to crack a bbc scripted joke, that cue cards are read aloud without fluffing the words. Better still, avoid completely.

[@BassGirlSusan1961]

Wonder if 'Catweasel' was found 🤔

[@olegenie1007]

13:07 jim mcdonald from coronation street :)

[@hihowareyouthen]

Flippin' 'eck, it really *does* look like him!😲 AND the crime was in Manchester...I guess he had to keep Liz in the lifestyle she was accustommed to

[@olegenie1007]

@@hihowareyouthen loll

[@a100267]

So it is...

[@LANCSKID]

He’s a busy lad, so he is.

[@lukewilly]

16:20 still talking and listening to music my eye

[@Jimbo-gi7xn]

Car park used by courting couples = dogging

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

Driving there for sex in the car, after a night in the pub.

[@MsVanorak]

not dogging - that hadn't been invented yet

[@MsVanorak]

@@treasurehunteruk9718 boring

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

@@MsVanorak So boring, Crimewatch did a whole feature on it.

[@user-zr3pj5tk7k]

If it was dogging, they'd have let him join in and possibly take photos/video, not chase him off.

[@ianbousfield1962]

36:00 Michael Ripper from the hammer horror films

[@Prieze868]

It's me how these people hotwire cars

[@tristanmorgan852]

A spot for coating couples? Is that innocent or from this time would it be dogging?

[@LANCSKID]

Coating? Breadcrumbs or batter?

[@aussiej2973]

Talk about over privileged buying the whole street

[@slickrick320]

36k for a flat in London. How times have changed

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

Except he had no money, and was in debt ......

[@hihowareyouthen]

@@slickrick320 Yeah, that was when houses were within the reach of the average joe. My aunt and uncle bought a house in the late 70s in Finsbury Park for £11,000! They sold it a few years ago for over a million. They times they are a changing etc, etc.

[@anthonymcken6050]

Shut up with your Racist agenda.

[@HeyK47]

‘A large hook nose’ that’s what me ma used to say about my da. Needless to to say, they’re both enjoying separate lives these days😅

[@PhilipKeenan-d5y]

Yup me all spent

[@kevintraynor4508]

Those model kids cars that run on petrol. Are fascinating spnth I wish I could afordxwhen I was a kid

[@ratedrbeboparcade]

You can still buy one today, the same model it cost around 7000 though you could buy a real Porsche for that much

[@bruirn]

Love how Hatcher says they're out of his price range even though they're just two grand. Crime pays but crime fighting certainly didn't back then!

[@LANCSKID]

12.40 Gadafi … !

[@MsJinkerson]

what a weird phone number

[@09weenic]

MsJinkerson well done you have just been awarded the most bizarre post

[@09weenic]

MsJinkerson what a weird question 🤷‍♂️

[@user-zr3pj5tk7k]

@@09weenic Statement

[@Mybritains]

Now its stabbed