CRIMSON TIDE (1995) | First Time Watching | MOVIE REACTION | This is So Stressful!

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@NathanS__
@NathanS__ 2 жыл бұрын
The Captain was arrested because he attempted to arrest the XO to circumvent the 2-man protocol and launch the missiles. If the XO attempted to launch the missiles without the captain, the XO would be arrested for the same thing. It's not about who has authority over the other, it's about the violation of the 2-man protocol.
@elzar760
@elzar760 2 жыл бұрын
yeah. The whole thing depends on everyone, especially Cobb in this scenario, making the right decision about who was right and who was wrong in following the rules. Since the captain, even if you think he was right in his reasoning, was wrong about the rules (IE you can’t launch without both peoples consent), he was arrested when Cobb decided he wasn’t following the rules.
@robertanderson6929
@robertanderson6929 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. And there was also the matter of the Captain putting a gun to the two men's heads and threatening to blow their brains out. I doubt that is covered under the procedures either.
@kevinerose
@kevinerose 2 жыл бұрын
In the real world, once they are back at home port, the captain would be charged with violating protocol and the XO and crew would all be charged with mutiny. The captain would lose his command and be demoted. The XO and crew would then go to prison.
@namechamps
@namechamps 2 жыл бұрын
@@kevinerose Nonsense. The captain doesn't have unlimited authority. Captains can be relieved of duty and relieved of duty by the XO. Absolutely nothing would have happened to the XO. He was 100% right. Even if he had been wrong about the message he was still right. The Captain can not launch unless the XO agrees. Period. The captain can't replace him either. The two man rule exists to ensure no one man can launch nuclear weapons. It exists everywhere. That is why two people authenticated the message, why missile silos have two operators, any maintenance work on nuclear weapons must always involve at least two people.
@kevinerose
@kevinerose 2 жыл бұрын
The 1st officer should have agreed with the captain, put the XO in lock-up, and then refuse to follow the captain's order to launch. Then the 1st officer should have told the captain to go reconcile with the XO because they were both right.
@jays4402
@jays4402 2 жыл бұрын
One of the most underrated action dramas of the 90's
@powerbadpowerbad
@powerbadpowerbad Жыл бұрын
AGREED.
@Victory-in-YAHUSHA
@Victory-in-YAHUSHA 10 ай бұрын
I find this movie to be more of a drama thriller than an action flick.
@truebrew3498
@truebrew3498 2 жыл бұрын
The captain was clearly wrong. He attempted to replace the xo as to circumvent the two man protocol before launching a nuclear weapon that would have started a nuclear world war.
@tamberlame27
@tamberlame27 2 жыл бұрын
Not if the Russians actually launched
@that.ll_do_pig
@that.ll_do_pig 2 жыл бұрын
@Parikshit Tiwari yes even then, the Captain would _still_ have been wrong in his attempt to circumvent the rules.
@NathanS__
@NathanS__ 2 жыл бұрын
Something similar happened during the cuban missile crisis when Soviet subs attempted to cross the US quarantine line. The US started dropping signaling depth charges to get the sub to surface for identification. The Soviet commanders thought they were under attack and the Captain and political officer agreed to launch a tactical nuclear torpedo. But a person on board; the Chief of staff of the flotilla, had to agree to the launch. The vote was 2/3 and there was arguing but ultimately they didn't launch the nuke and surfaced. They could have accidentally started WWIII but was stopped thanks to Vasily Arkhipov
@gunnarjinx
@gunnarjinx 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't this movie based on that event... or some crazy true even such as that? .... good thing "wifie" wasn't the captain :P ....
@michaelccozens
@michaelccozens 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Of course, it helps to remember that the CMC was touched-off by the American installation of Jupiter missiles in Turkey. The Soviets were basically just trying to even the playing field, which is an important thing to do when you're dealing with MAD. Even so, Khrushchev allowed JFK to claim credit for "winning" the crisis, allowing his pro quo of the removal of those Jupiter missiles to be done quietly 6 months later.
@Republic3D
@Republic3D 2 жыл бұрын
That's right. I was going to leave a comment about it, but now I don't have to. :)
@MrCarlBackhausen
@MrCarlBackhausen 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, i was thinking the same. I always think of that historical event when i watcj this movie. This movie is almost exactly that event. The xo of that sub is a real hero. He basically saved all of humanity. If Russia would have shot at America, America would have shot at Russia and then the whole world would have taken the hit. One fucking crew, completely isolated from both nations could have doomed the whole world. That is some scary shit! That event proves how vital these protocols are.
@ssjwes
@ssjwes 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelccozens Yeah I always remind people of these facts when they bring up "Soviet aggression" during that era.
@Fyrecide
@Fyrecide 2 жыл бұрын
XO definitely has authority to arrest the captain if he's disobeying protocol, which he was (or was attempting to do). Captain definitely can't just replace the XO until he finds one who will do what he says in that instance.
@thereturningshadow
@thereturningshadow 2 жыл бұрын
I would imagine Ramsay's retirement was slightly forced considering two things he did on the sub that were beyond the mutiny situation. 1) He put a gun to two men's heads and threatened to kill them. That is a court martial offense that would result in jail time. 2) He hit his EX TWICE demanding a missile launch key. Also a court martial offense. That one he probably could have slipped from. So he was probably, quietly told to retire or face court martial.
@paulfeist
@paulfeist 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, except that not only would it be more than "slightly forced", no one on that submarine would ever put to sea in a submarine again. No one higher than Chief Petty Officer, anyway. The Captain would most likely be thrown out of the Navy, without pension or retirement. He'd be VERY lucky to be allowed to retire.
@powerbadpowerbad
@powerbadpowerbad Жыл бұрын
I commented the samethings you pointed out,the military protects certain ranks and positions,especially high ranking officer and enlisted ranks.I served in both the army and navy,seen people get away with a lot of stuff because of rank/time in service.The police depts do the same thing too.
@themidsouthcyclist8880
@themidsouthcyclist8880 2 жыл бұрын
As an ex-sub (U.S. nuclear) engineer, I can verify that this is a stressful movie to watch.
@brandoncollins1225
@brandoncollins1225 2 жыл бұрын
I saw this in theaters when it came out and it was one of the most tense films I had ever seen. Fun fact: Quentin Tarantino was brought on to punch up a lot of the dialogue in this. Any time you hear them talking about movies, TVs or comic books that's his words.
@pengwin_
@pengwin_ 2 жыл бұрын
the part where they talk about the horses sound just like a tarantino line.
@stuco81
@stuco81 2 жыл бұрын
One of a few 'additional' writers brought on board (no pun intended). I think the 'true enemy in the nuclear world' scene is Steve Zaillian...
@amazingcaucasian1
@amazingcaucasian1 2 жыл бұрын
It's funny. I've had this argument with a military brother. He sided with the captain, I sided with the XO. Here's the facts...The rules of engagement prevent a captain of a nuclear submarine from launching missiles unless the 2nd in command repeat and agree to those orders...PERIOD. XO is right, captain is wrong. Any other debate is a moot point because it doesn't change the initial fact. Even if not launching allowed the Russians to hit American soil with a preemptive nuclear strike it doesn't change the simple fact that one of the XOs responsibilities is to confirm the captains orders and he not only has the right but the responsibility to refuse based on superior officers decisions that outrank his own captain. When he makes the decision to not follow his captains orders, he's doing it because he's choosing to follow the orders of superior officers that outrank his own captain.
@jp3813
@jp3813 2 жыл бұрын
I sided w/ the XO as well. But just to be clear, the argument against him is that he's not just disobeying the Captain's orders but also orders from the President that he already authenticated.
@johnnyjohnny2650
@johnnyjohnny2650 2 жыл бұрын
Love this movie. Hackman's old man rage is so authentic. 'We don't have time to fuck around!'
@immanuelcunt7296
@immanuelcunt7296 2 жыл бұрын
"old man rage" is the funniest dismissive phrase I've heard in a long time
@dmfd_rosieperez9847
@dmfd_rosieperez9847 2 жыл бұрын
UNLESS BOTH YOU… AND I AGREE lol dope
@suffersystemstudios
@suffersystemstudios 2 жыл бұрын
The captain needs the XO's agreement to launch, when he didn't agree he tried to replace him so he could launch. THAT is why he was wrong and why and where it started. He cannot do that.
@RocketSurgn_
@RocketSurgn_ 2 жыл бұрын
Slightly more specifically, it’s an illegal order to try to launch without the active agreement of the XO (as is trying to subvert the system by the XO’s arrest for acting totally within his responsibilities). In theory officers (and enlisted) are expected to disobey illegal orders or they will be held also responsible for the same illegal thing happening. That said, of course, it’s super gray in reality and more risk in standing up to disobey an order since it takes a lot for an order to be considered illegal and any judgement would come much later so it puts a LOT of responsibility on some very young people to risk themselves/their careers and the whole system relies on them making the right choices.
@jeffburnham6611
@jeffburnham6611 2 жыл бұрын
He doesn't need the XO's agreement. The EAM ((Emergency Action Message) had already been verified. The 2nd one was incomplete so protocol disregards it. Hunter broke protocol by trying to establish contact to get the entire message.
@zo_leo8401
@zo_leo8401 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffburnham6611 He did need the XO to concur. The captain cant just circumvent the requirement that the XO to agree with him. Hence why it was a two step authorization. If the CO could launch without the XO it defeats the purpose of the rule. They received a Emergency Action Message and the CO agreed that it needed to be read, hence why he launched the radio buoy. The only reason why they didnt read it and the message was incomplete is because of the battle with the other sub. If the CO didnt think the Emergency message was necessary he would have just ignored it and went along to fire the missles.
@paulhewes7333
@paulhewes7333 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffburnham6611 he DID need the XO to verify and repeat the orders to the weapons department. The weapons officers are obligated to disregard orders that are not repeated by the captain and the XO in the proper procedure. The whole backbone of the 2 man rule is that without that procedure, nuclear weapons cannot be launched. EVERY STEP has to be agreed otherwise NOTHING can happen.
@Hibbs4Prez
@Hibbs4Prez 2 жыл бұрын
What a surprisingly great choice. Not too many KZbin reactions of this film. You guys are the best.
@patrickd1563
@patrickd1563 2 жыл бұрын
The rules set up are that they both have to agree to a launch, so the fact that Hunter doesn't agree makes him always right. (from protocol perspective)
@patrickd1563
@patrickd1563 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry this was ment as a general comment
@revjohnlee
@revjohnlee 2 жыл бұрын
"Smartly" is maritime jargon for "quickly". The opposite would be "handsomely" for "slowly". The XO ordering the captain's arrest was proper. The captain acted illegally when he ordered the XO's arrest for failure to agree with him.
@DougRayPhillips
@DougRayPhillips 2 жыл бұрын
"Tell Mr. Scrooge that if he wants to take his leave of Mr. Marley, he should nip along smartly. Otherwise, there won't be no Mr. Marley to take leave of, as we know the use of the term."
@manofwarb
@manofwarb Жыл бұрын
From what I understood, "smartly" in a submarine context means "as quickly as you can without causing propeller cavitation".
@NathanS__
@NathanS__ 2 жыл бұрын
The XO was the correct person. Yes, they received an authentic order for launch but the final failsafe is the 2-man protocol who for whatever reasons can choose not to launch. The unknown 2nd order was enough reason to withhold the attack. The Captain was wrong to try to arrest the XO to circumvent the protocol. The Captain was wrong to instigate a mutiny. The XO was correct to be cautious about the attack and to bring the ship back to order by counter-mutiny.
@jeffburnham6611
@jeffburnham6611 2 жыл бұрын
That's not how it works. It's makes for great Hollywood drama but that isn't how the US Navy does it in real life.
@michaelccozens
@michaelccozens 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffburnham6611 Your refusal to specify what exactly is incorrect doesn't exactly cover you in credibility, making your judgement in posting something so useless also questionable.
@wadesworld6250
@wadesworld6250 2 жыл бұрын
The fact the captain also threatened to kill a sailor probably was a factor in his request to retire, knowing that he would certainly be prosecuted for that.
@liamwarner5749
@liamwarner5749 2 жыл бұрын
I always find it amusing to picture the tribunal going "The captain will retire and you will be promoted." Then the crew coming in to testify their parts as they'd also be on trial and the guy who said he'd never lied finding out he had . . . glossed over certain actions that they now can't bring up because they've already passed judgement. "Wait he put a gun to an innocent crew members head? Where did he get a gun? What do you mean he staged a counter mutiny? Who gave an arrested officer firearms!?"
@thomascain8747
@thomascain8747 2 жыл бұрын
Another good military movie with Denzel Washington in it is "Courage under Fire". It has some action and conflict but is also kind of a mystery movie.
@tamberlame27
@tamberlame27 2 жыл бұрын
Love that movie! So underrated!
@krombopulosmichael8314
@krombopulosmichael8314 2 жыл бұрын
Another good military movie with Denzel is A Soldier's Story.
@TLL1969
@TLL1969 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but isn't that the one where they try to pass off Meg Ryan as the "hero"?? I couldn't get past that. lol
@thomascain8747
@thomascain8747 2 жыл бұрын
@@TLL1969: A little far fetched but I was a gunner on an M1 Abrams, so it brought some memories back. (even though the mock ups they used in the movie sucked).
@SkullAngel002
@SkullAngel002 2 жыл бұрын
You know the reaction is good when you can see Mrs. Movies' blood pressure going up...
@stenbuck_
@stenbuck_ 2 жыл бұрын
Tony Scott was such an unique director. Miss him.
@cleonmagabeefy8473
@cleonmagabeefy8473 2 жыл бұрын
To answer Mr Movie, the dog would eventually become Captain of his own vessel... The USS Milk Bone!!!!
@gutz1981
@gutz1981 2 жыл бұрын
There was so many good arguments. My favorite was the XO's where he said "For all we know the target may be different now." Meaning, "Yes, if confirmed to launch let's do it. But if we hit the wrong place, it pointless and we lose." Each man had their valid points. It was a clash of egos. The XO finally had enough of his authority and rank not being respected. And the Captain did not like to have his power diminished in front of the others.
@TheeYellowDart
@TheeYellowDart 2 жыл бұрын
The XO has to concur with the launch authority. The Captain cannot simply relieve the XO if he doesn't agree. The act of following the orders in hand makes sense, but it's not that Hunter is unwilling to launch; he's unwilling to do so without first confirming what the cut off EAM regarding nuclear launch is. The order to release nuclear weapons isn't a generic or routine event. Each Trident missile can carry several nuclear warheads whose nuclear yield is several times more powerful than the bombs that flattened Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This is an incredible responsibility, one that can't be taken lightly, flippantly or when there is doubt.
@RocketSurgn_
@RocketSurgn_ 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, and the whole reason the two man rule for nuclear weapons exists. Blindly following orders would totally invalidate it. The point is that it is much better to risk one or a few (of the many!) launch platforms for nuclear weapons to not launch immediately even if it was real because of ambiguity like exactly this situation vs launching when it shouldn’t happen and causing a basically irreversible nuclear exchange killing hundreds of millions+.
@aboutthat1440
@aboutthat1440 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate you guys reacting to this movie. It's one that i wished more reactors reacted to. This movie and Open Range with Kevin Costner and Robert duval. one of my favorite westerns. Thanks again.
@brandoncollins1225
@brandoncollins1225 2 жыл бұрын
Another fun film fact: The Captain's Jack Russell terrier was named Moose, and he was the same dog from Jim Carrey's The Mask, and the show Frasier.
@LC-xn4dp
@LC-xn4dp 2 жыл бұрын
Didn’t know that, thats one productive dog lol
@richardwani2803
@richardwani2803 2 жыл бұрын
Cool 😎
@mem1701movies
@mem1701movies 2 жыл бұрын
Frasier’s true nemesis.
@ysmith494
@ysmith494 Жыл бұрын
I miss Milo 😊
@keithnphx63
@keithnphx63 2 жыл бұрын
I freaking love this movie. Hackman and Washington really brought it to this one. Awesome supporting cast as well. A lot of star power in this flick.
@alanmike6883
@alanmike6883 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@Khay-77
@Khay-77 2 жыл бұрын
This movie is where I became a huge fan of Hans Zimmer. Even bought the CD of the soundtrack I liked it so much.
@DisgruntledHippo
@DisgruntledHippo 2 жыл бұрын
Love this movie. Another reactor described this movie as "almost like a play" in the manner that it was shot. One centralized location and event that the characters revolve around.
@PurushaDesa
@PurushaDesa 2 жыл бұрын
I do love when that confined drama is done well. _12 Angry Men_ is probably the greatest execution of that (no pun intended).
@offspringfan1288
@offspringfan1288 2 жыл бұрын
Great movie!!! I highly recommend another mid 90s action thriller The Rock!!! Directed by the great Michael Bay and one of the best action films ever made. Trust me you will not be disappointed. I would say both Crimson Tide and the Rock are very similar in style and execution, and both films were amongst the major highlights of the partnership between producers Don Simpson and Jerry Bruckheimer.
@BathrobeBassist
@BathrobeBassist 2 жыл бұрын
As a submarine veteran, I am happy you are watching this. It’s not accurate at all to sub life, but is a good movie.
@Socrates...
@Socrates... 2 жыл бұрын
I miss Gene Hackman in movies, he was an amazing actor.
@alanmike6883
@alanmike6883 2 жыл бұрын
A legend
@bobcobb3654
@bobcobb3654 2 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing this in theaters. Seems insane now to think that in the mid-90s, a studio would release a summer blockbuster that is 75% talking.
@MST3Killa
@MST3Killa 2 жыл бұрын
Was script doctored by Quinten Tarantino though... so that may have helped with the 'talking'.
@mizzatgrizzo
@mizzatgrizzo 2 жыл бұрын
Many modern subs will be "double hulled". Meaning there is a space in between the inner hull and the outer hull. This space is used for ballast tanks. Not only would the bullet have to penetrate steel plating on the inner hull, but the thicker outer hull as well. Not to mention the water inside the tank. Submarines are perfectly safe environments to shoot fire arms.
@MrsMovies
@MrsMovies 2 жыл бұрын
This is crazy to me, I had no idea, thanks for the info!!
@MatthewStephensAU
@MatthewStephensAU 2 жыл бұрын
30:50 It's not about punishing himself. He very nearly started a Nuclear War, and he picked a random crewman to summarily execute. He knows he can't be given another command.
@paulhewes7333
@paulhewes7333 2 жыл бұрын
The random crewman was played by Scott Grimes, who played Donald Malarkey in "Band of Brothers"...
@daveymcdowell8352
@daveymcdowell8352 2 жыл бұрын
I love this film and a fun fact about it is that although uncredited Quentin Tarantino was brought in to doctor the script and this is very evident in a few scenes namely the scenes where James Gandolfini's character is questioning the other sailers movie trivia on the bus, the whole Kirby Silver Surfer thing and also the Star Trek references as Tarantino is a massive fan off all three topics.
@hk43xx
@hk43xx 2 жыл бұрын
I remember arriving for Basic Training, when I was in the military, and the first thing the T.I. said was "You are no longer in a democracy."
@bobcobb3654
@bobcobb3654 2 жыл бұрын
Quick note: Quentin Tarantino did an uncredited rewrite of this movie while waiting for Pulp Fiction to come out. Notable scenes were the sailor getting grilled about Robert Mitchum movies, the fight over comic books, and the conversations about horses.
@Benz_Schmidt
@Benz_Schmidt 2 жыл бұрын
I hold this as one of Denzels greatest performance right next to Training day. Then again, Denzels got that Midas touch, everything he touches turns to gold..
@RabidTribble
@RabidTribble 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone remember a 2012 series called "Last Resort"? Only one season, but it dealt with some of the same issues; albeit in a TV-action-drama sort of way. Submarine given suspicious launch orders and attacked when they questioned those orders. It was an enjoyable bit of action fluff...along the lines of "The Last Ship".
@DougRayPhillips
@DougRayPhillips 2 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@twoheart7813
@twoheart7813 2 жыл бұрын
Grandaddy was spot on with this pick! Captain Wife scared the hell out of me when she was ready to launch on that first message 😱
@RLKmedic0315
@RLKmedic0315 2 жыл бұрын
"Tin Can surrounded by water"..... According to my late Grandfather, who was a submarine engineer, "Tin Cans" are destroyers, but yes, they are still surrounded by water. :)
@SalGomez
@SalGomez 2 жыл бұрын
The Captain cannot have the XO arrested because he won't follow the captain's order that are contrary to procedures. However, the OX has the authority to remove the captain from his duties if as before he is operating contrary to procedures. Redundancy checks are imperative when release of any ordinance is a potentiality.
@jamesmoore4003
@jamesmoore4003 2 жыл бұрын
The captain was the one trying to circumvent the rules of procedure so the X.O. is the one in the right and can have the captain relieved
@w41duvernay
@w41duvernay 2 жыл бұрын
This movie was awesome. Hackman and Dezel were awesome in this movie, with the balance of the world in the background on wether a mistake was been made.
@OrionQuest7
@OrionQuest7 2 жыл бұрын
Love the movie score soundtrack to this film, still my all time favorite.
@paulhewes7333
@paulhewes7333 2 жыл бұрын
Hans Zimmer really was at the top of his game with this one. I have owned a copy since a couple of days after i saw this in the theater 1995...
@f1playlist308
@f1playlist308 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's pretty good, but The Rock (1996) is another unbelievable score by Hans Zimmer. I'd say it's even better than this one and that says a lot.
@gutz1981
@gutz1981 2 жыл бұрын
I love the soundtrack for this movie. I use to listen to it over and over again at Uni when I would edit my videos at 3am to make my deadlines.
@samuraiwarriorsunite
@samuraiwarriorsunite 2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite films. The scenes showing the subs underwater at night were actually filmed during the day, it's called day for night and the technique is often used in productions to save time and money when night shoots are too difficult or expensive.
@maximillianosaben
@maximillianosaben 2 жыл бұрын
Once the tide shifts, and Gene Hackman says, “Now shut the f*** up!”, this movie goes into high gear like gangbusters!
@ronmaximilian6953
@ronmaximilian6953 2 жыл бұрын
Nuclear submarines make oxygen from seawater through electrolysis and release carbon dioxide. It's harder on spaceships. Smartly diving means that the submarine will dive properly by the book. A change in a direction in a submarine is tricky, because if it isn't executed properly there will be cavitation, which means air bubbles will form from the screws, creating a lot of noise. Noise is the primary means by which a submarine would be detected.
@karlmoles6530
@karlmoles6530 2 жыл бұрын
You are one of the smartest reactors out there. You understood this film better than 99% of the people I've seen watch it.
@McPh1741
@McPh1741 2 жыл бұрын
Great choice. I love how they use The different color lights in the sun to light certain characters. Denzel and his people seem to always have green, Hackman and his were red and Viggo Mortensen was blue as being neutral. GO BAMA! ROLL TIDE!
@fidel2xl
@fidel2xl 2 жыл бұрын
Very astute observation.
@quixote6942
@quixote6942 2 жыл бұрын
The Reason the Xo could relieve the CO of Command and not the other way around was, The Captain Gave an unlawful Command in front of the Crew, While the XO was Following Command Protocols. Both the CO and XO HAVE to agree to Launch. Since the CO attempted to replace the XO with "Someone that WILL agree with him", he violated Procedure.
@shainewhite2781
@shainewhite2781 2 жыл бұрын
6:23, "The true enemy is war itself." That's right. That's absolutely correct.
@tristissimvshominvm8999
@tristissimvshominvm8999 Жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: Gandolfini was a fleet admiral in this movie who had several ships and captains at his disposal. One of his captains commanded a ship known as The Good Ship Lollipop.
@MrAitraining
@MrAitraining 2 жыл бұрын
Great drama and tension. Denzel and gene hackman were so good. The whole cast was great.
@patrickd1563
@patrickd1563 2 жыл бұрын
The rules set up are that they both have to agree for a launch, so the fact Hunter doesn't agree makes him always right(from a protocol perspective)
@Cyber_Noot
@Cyber_Noot 2 жыл бұрын
I've watched your channel countless times and just realized that he somehow fits those headphones over his cowboy hat and I love that.
@rofyle
@rofyle 2 жыл бұрын
The XO had every right to order the captain's arrest. The captain had attempted to circumvent the protocols required to launch the sub's missiles. He broke naval law, in other words. Dezel could not immediately order the sub to resurface, because they were still being hunted by another sub. A state of war might really have existed, Denzel didn't know. He was not ready to launch the nukes without certainty, but he also could not resurface without risking the destruction of the sub.
@cleonmagabeefy8473
@cleonmagabeefy8473 2 жыл бұрын
@17:19 Mrs Movies says "you are wasting time, move up!!!" Awesome, thats what she said!!!!!
@JoelMSimental
@JoelMSimental 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite couple, reminds me of me and my wife when we use to sit to watch every Sunday night shows or movies! Great work you guys!! Love Mrs. Movies reactions!!
@guscarlson7021
@guscarlson7021 2 жыл бұрын
In the "M.A.D." scenario, I've heard only a portion of our subs will launch on command, and the rest go sit silent on the bottom for months, then launch, destroying any survivors. I love submarine movies, and it was Kurt Jurgens who played the U Boat captain in "The Enemy Below".
@TheRaidernation33
@TheRaidernation33 2 жыл бұрын
Whenever this film is in Tv I always sit done to watch it no matter where it’s at great actors and story
@gallendugall8913
@gallendugall8913 2 жыл бұрын
"That was pathetic." Yes, both officers were awful. Senior officers should never disagree in front of subordinates as it undermines all authority on the ship. What should have happened was a private meeting the moment the XO disagreed with the launch orders. They had time then. They should have come up with a course of action in private they could both agree upon in front of their subordinates so they were not undermining each other. In reality this should have happened before they left port. Both knew the myriad possibilities surrounding a launch order and should have gone over these until they both understood each other. We're talking about a one or two hour long conversation. I place this wholly on the CO wanting to act as ultimate authority in a launch situation, which is not how launch situations work, and with equal blame on the XO for not suggesting the conversation be held.
@derred723
@derred723 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. The crux of the captains violation is when he says "or i'll get someone who will." And then "attempts to carry that out by firing the XO."
@jinchoung
@jinchoung 2 жыл бұрын
the reason why cob listens to the xo is because the captain is trying to launch the missiles without the xo's agreement. that's actually the last bit of procedure that must be followed - both of them must concur. so the captain may be right about the procedure for launch but the FINAL bit of procedure is that the xo must agree. if SOMEHOW, that does not happen, then the launch can't happen. but captain tries to go around the very last bit of procedure by trying to launch without xo. that's why the chief of the boat arrests the captain.
@JamesASharp
@JamesASharp 2 жыл бұрын
Great reaction! And yes, this film is stressful. That's why it works! The performances of Gene Hackman and Denzel Washington alone sucks you right into the movie. 😎
@JamesASharp
@JamesASharp 2 жыл бұрын
This film is better than The Hunt For Red October and U-571 in my opinion, though U-571 (2000) is pretty good.
@donotevenbegintocare
@donotevenbegintocare 2 жыл бұрын
Plot twist, they were still both wrong. Lippizan stallions used to be bred in Portugal a long time ago, but not when this movie came out anymore. And they're now bred in the "Spanish School"....which is just a name, it's located in Austria. Never in Spain.
@juhawks37
@juhawks37 2 жыл бұрын
It's amazing when you stop and realize just how many great roles Gene Hackman has played.
@michaelstevens4244
@michaelstevens4244 2 жыл бұрын
Officers do indeed get better accommodations, separate sleeping quarters (with much fewer roommates) and separate eating area. Senior enlisted tend to as well, though not as cushy as the officers and how good it is depends on the size of the ship.
@stevemchale9775
@stevemchale9775 2 жыл бұрын
The captain wasn't following protocol so he's breaking the rules.
@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps
@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but before that the XO and the captain were to resolve the issue because the rules says to not act on non-authenticated orders.
@way108
@way108 2 жыл бұрын
Love the reaction!!! Sooo relatable! Toootally get it when you said you can’t handle it when they put timers.. totally stresses me out too 😩
@ChipWhitingtonIII
@ChipWhitingtonIII 2 жыл бұрын
"Navy Jail"..... Mrs. Moovs is a gem.
@Sumdumfilipino
@Sumdumfilipino 2 жыл бұрын
She’s so riled up 😂
@kevintipcorn6787
@kevintipcorn6787 2 жыл бұрын
XO had it from my only knowing the movie from the reaction cut of the movie. Even if he was wrong about the order, the second a nuke gets fired off like that all the automatic systems will kick in and bring about mutually assured destruction. At that point we're all going to die in horrible ways, the lucky ones will go first in nuclear fire and avoid the nuclear winter.
@lazyperfectionist1
@lazyperfectionist1 2 жыл бұрын
29:30 And it's at _this_ point that the CO takes stock of his actions and realizes that, not only did he plunge his crew into a completely unnecessary fight with each _other,_ but he, entirely on his own, almost _started_ the very nuclear holocaust he was trying to _prevent._
@JeffC26131
@JeffC26131 2 жыл бұрын
“Welcome back to you, me, and the buoys.” - that was hilarious! Nice one! 😉👍🏻
@shainewhite2781
@shainewhite2781 2 жыл бұрын
3:22, she's thinking, "Well, I take offense to that!" Lol!
@Charlee1776
@Charlee1776 2 жыл бұрын
The word "Smartly" at the end of an order means to do it as fast as possible while still being thorough.
@StandUpComedyFan28m
@StandUpComedyFan28m 2 жыл бұрын
Hey....24:19, that's Rube Baker from Major League II. The catcher who couldn't throw it back to the mound. Lol
@jpa5038
@jpa5038 2 жыл бұрын
During the Cuban Missile Crisis, a Russian sub wanted to fire a nuclear torpedo at the United States but it required unanimous consent among 3 members on board. One Russian officer refused and despite repeated attempts by the other two to convince him to agree, he held his ground and averted a nuclear war.
@michaelvincent8208
@michaelvincent8208 2 жыл бұрын
While stationed in Subic Bay, Philippines, on a quiet Sunday morning, the business of the bay stopped, as men from all the docked ships started pointing out at the water. It took a few moments to focus on what got their attention. Quietly, slowly, leaving almost no wake, was the black 'sail' of an attack submarine. Just the sail, mind you. It pulled off to the opposite side of the bay, and docked. A short while later an announcement came over the ship's coms, that the sub was open, if anyone would like to go aboard and check it out. Seriously....I have never seen anything in my life as evil looking as that black conning tower slowly creeping by.
@RKsolid5586
@RKsolid5586 2 жыл бұрын
Another intense and somewhat prophetic Denzel movie is 'The Siege".
@Myles720
@Myles720 2 жыл бұрын
Love that your reacting to this movie. Wish more movie reactors would choose to do this movie as well
@cbobwhite5768
@cbobwhite5768 2 жыл бұрын
Right now, ..................... at this point in time, ................... the fact that the President has the right to push the button, is fucking frightening.
@harrymarshall
@harrymarshall 2 жыл бұрын
,, who here also, has to Always, do the finger point dance in the intro 😃✨🎉
@mlong1958
@mlong1958 2 жыл бұрын
If you haven't seen it, watch Das Boot, probably the best submarine movie ever made. Must watch the German version with subtitles though.
@AndrewJens
@AndrewJens 2 жыл бұрын
21:12 Re. _"This is not the time to be like having your own internal submarine war,"_ on the contrary, since they're filming a movie anyway, it's the perfect time. :-)
@TheBraunMachine2011
@TheBraunMachine2011 2 жыл бұрын
27:33 "Give me the missile key, Mr. Hunter." Always loved that quote, still get chills during that scene especially. Great reaction, guys, loved it. Classic film IMHO. Hope you'll react to his other films like Enemy of the State, Man on Fire, True Romance, The Last Boy Scout, Deja Vu, Unstoppable etc. I think you'll love those. R.I.P. Tony Scott & James Gandolfini
@wcwchris
@wcwchris 2 жыл бұрын
She really doesn't handle suspenseful stuff well lol
@kingkosher6231
@kingkosher6231 2 жыл бұрын
Don't EVER feel the need to apologize for quality puns lmao I laughed so hard haha.
@lazyperfectionist1
@lazyperfectionist1 2 жыл бұрын
22:50 "You remember when the Klingons were gonna blow up the _Enterprise_ and Captain Kirk calls down to Scotty and says, 'Scotty, I gotta have more power?'" 😄 I ask this question as a _Star Trek_ fan. Would it be possible for Commander Hunter to be _more_ specific?
@JeepersCreepers2013
@JeepersCreepers2013 2 жыл бұрын
One of my very best friends was an XO on a fast attack submarine. So that's a sub that goes out and tracks enemy subs and observes what they do during peacetime. He told me that of all the military submarine movies, this one is by far the very best. All those messages are all handled that way.. One thing they really didn't explore in this movie is officer and/or enlisted and who's expected to do what and when.
@scottstark5528
@scottstark5528 2 жыл бұрын
Love this movie, part of home video library collection. Lt Commander Hunter, the executive officer, played it by the book and had every right to have Cpt arrested.
@MrAitraining
@MrAitraining 2 жыл бұрын
I think I know who the boss is in their house lol
@davevannatta985
@davevannatta985 2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite movies from the late great Tony Scott.
@tristyevely3798
@tristyevely3798 2 жыл бұрын
Your reaction to this movie was the same as mine when I saw it in the theater. Great movie
@shainewhite2781
@shainewhite2781 2 жыл бұрын
The film was a box office and critical success, making $160 million dollars against a $53 million dollar budget.
@AnomalyINC
@AnomalyINC Жыл бұрын
Every submarine crew has at least one particularly large member. Works as ballast and an emergency floatation device.
@reggiebrown9508
@reggiebrown9508 2 жыл бұрын
In high-school In 1997 half the class watched A Few Good Men and the other Crimson Tide and we had to debate on the ethics of the 2 movies. (I was on AFGM watching side)
@MrLorenzovanmatterho
@MrLorenzovanmatterho 2 жыл бұрын
1. Galley 2. Nuclear subs can extract oxygen from seawater through their hull's for air 3. They have other radios but can't use them at depth 4. Not "Hail Mary's", "Eternal Father strong to save" 5. If the weps officer died they could burn into the safe with welding gear, all ships will have some. I wouldn't worry about hull breach, this isn't an airliner but richochet?
@lazyperfectionist1
@lazyperfectionist1 2 жыл бұрын
First, I think something went wrong higher up when they put someone like _Ramsey_ in command of a _sub._ There _are_ Naval vessels that will benefit from a CO like that, but _not_ subs. He's _way_ too hard-charged. You put a hardcore, discipline type like that in a sealed, metal tube, underwater, for weeks or months at a time, and of course, you have people _snapping_ because they can't _take_ it. Second, I think Ramsey made a mistake when he recruited someone from _outside_ his chain of command to be his XO. But then I've explained this elsewhere. But third, I think Ramsey made a mistake when he went _against_ Hunter in presuming to order Hunter to repeat an order that he did not _agree_ with. That demonstrated neglect of _protocol;_ protocol that exists for a _reason_ which made it kind of _ironic_ when Ramsey then tried to _rely_ on protocol to _protect_ his position. The latest order they had been able to _confirm_ ordered them to finish the launch, but they had _begun_ to receive _another_ order that complications had _prevented_ them from receiving enough of to _verify._ What was in _that_ order? They had no way to _know._ Now let's just assume, for the sake of argument, that it was _not_ an order to cancel the launch. It might've been an order to launch on a different _location._ If they had launched on their _original_ target, that target might have suddenly become benign which would've been a _horribly_ offensive target to hit, but would've left their supply of missiles exhausted, and unavailable for this _new_ target which is suddenly a _threat._ This would've put it in Captain _Ramsey's_ best interests to retrieve the order as _well._
@paulhewes7333
@paulhewes7333 2 жыл бұрын
Great reaction. "I'm exhausted" is what the film makers wanted...As far as the "right or wrong" of the movie, it was all about the 2 man rule. Ramsey couldn't just replace Hunter for the specific purpose to launch nuclear weapons. He made it very clear why he was relieving Hunter and the COB and all the other senior officers knew it.
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