Why Darth Vader VS Goku Is Closer Than You Think!

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Does he beat Goku tho!? Either way, Vader's stronger than you think.

[@BCCSquidward]

C-3PO accidentally one taps. 🗿

[@JadoBouhzam]

@BCCSquidward nope he does not but was worth a shot

[@BCCSquidward]

@@JadoBouhzam *Joking left the chat I guess...* 🙄

[@JadoBouhzam]

@BCCSquidward no I was talking abou hercules my message replied to u hahaha

[@BCCSquidward]

@@JadoBouhzam Oh, alright. 👍

[@CptAhab-cg6ku]

This episodes concept is like the epitome of the dorkiness of powerscaling community and it brought me back to why I love this stuff and how much fun it is! Love crossverse stuff like this

[@DrD00M3]

I'm surprised sometimes especially in legends the real continuity I prefer how powerful these Star Wars characters actually are

[@BCCSquidward]

Legends > Canon in many ways.

[@lordchara4461]

​@@BCCSquidward I'm with you one this man

[@Zeziliath]

@@lordchara4461most fans are, me aswell

[@TheLastSpider-Man]

It's funny and cool how Legends made the "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force" quote true in a literal sense and not just metaphorically

[@BCCSquidward]

@@TheLastSpider-Man I couldn't agree more. 👍

[@abeloth1116]

Both Dragonball and Star Wars Legends are so incredibly busted and overpowered. Love it

[@BCCSquidward]

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[@BigJohn303]

Using star wars legends is the equivalent of using Super Dragon Ball Heroes. I like how y'all have to use non-canon stuff for vader to even stand a chance against DBS Goku. So Super Dragon Ball Heroes goku stomps.

[@BCCSquidward]

@@BigJohn303 Again, it is not. 🤦 Legends is more the equivalent of GT, and using Super against Legends is more fair for both sides.

[@DefNotHacks]

Its not, though. Legends was the original canon for star wars post ROTJ (or before it if we are talking about old republic and stuff) but then it got retconned for Disney's trash sequels. Sort of like how GT was retconned so super could be made. Legends are like what GT is for dragon ball. (And Vader nets GT except for debatable end of GT took but end of GT goku is restless)

[@BCCSquidward]

@@DefNotHacks Fr

[@sparxx9537]

I’m sorry but I gotta say this. Goku has long since stopped needing rage to go super saiyan ever since he mastered the form in the hyperbolic time chamber. It’s arguable that his ssj2 form also doesn’t need rage as he had 7 years to reach it and possibly master it to a lesser degree. Ssj3 doesn’t need rage at all

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Rage boosts in DB are often higher than SSJ multipliers. Goku was enraged using MUI against Jiren, Gohan Beast is enraged, Trunks’ form is literally called Rage. To say DB characters don’t still use rage is disingenuous.

[@Acrosurge]

@@CRISIS_COMICS I don't think Goku was ever enraged in MUI. I'm not sure that you CAN be enraged and still access the power of UI. You definitely don't need rage to enter the super saiyan state. It can help get you there when you're unskilled, but once SS is mastered, rage simply uses up too much energy. Heck, the Saiyans from universe six don't use rage to transform at all, except for Kale, but she's a Broly analogue, not a regular SS.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@AcrosurgeHe calls out Jiren for trying to murder universe 7 from the stands and screams with angry eyebrows…

[@Acrosurge]

@@CRISIS_COMICS That's true, but let us return to the original point; rage isn't required for transformations. It can offer a boost, as you said, but it isn't a necessity.

[@sabichaokujo3307]

@@CRISIS_COMICSwell, goku wasn’t actually rage boosting or enraged. in fact, his emotions were confirmed to be still masked behind the power. this is confirmed mostly because his current evolution in ui, being true ui, is him just now utilizing his emotion or rage. in his words, hes simply just allowing himself to feel again. in ui and especially in mui he was actively snd subconsciously masking them

[@joshima7]

Man this is why I love power scaling. Just nerds talking about their favorite series and how strong they are compared to each other. It sucks that the community has so many bad apples around ruining what is such a fun thing to do

[@michaeldorsey9231]

How does Anakin go from being able to amp his durability to being universal or higher to being damaged just by being near magma?

[@giosbizarreart9048]

George Lucas wasn't thinking about the powerscalling when he worked on star wars. If I were to rationalize it though I'd say that Amping his attacks through the force is different than amping his heat durability. That's also not to mention that he was unbalanced due to being engulfed by the darkside and literally just got his legs and arm chopped off by obi Wan which would make it impossible to use the force in that particular moment due to being unable to concentrate and then getting burned by the lava not very long after.

[@BCCSquidward]

To be fair... he kinda needed... a hand in that situation. 🌚

[@BCCSquidward]

Also you can make the same question for Goku, Universal... but damaged by a little laser? 💀 Hurt by a rock in the Cell Saga? Edit: To be honest, the force and ki have a pretty similar weakness, being caught off guard seems pretty deadly. 💀 More specifically, Ki control and force argumentation.

[@donaldtrumplover2254]

@@BCCSquidward Goku can control his ki actively and is stated to often let his guard down. Those are not anti feats when compared to Anakin unable to take even city level attacks mid fight.

[@burnttoast.2017]

​@@BCCSquidwardKi control. Same reason why Goku can have a power level of 5 when surpressed, is which is the strength of an average adult man. He's still bulletproof in this state, mind you, but a rock and a laser could either kill him or at least hurt him depending on how strong the laser is or how fast the rock is thrown.

[@Bruh-zu5pl]

The thing is, like most other people that commented on this video, I have actually watched it to its end. Theres a few things I wanna say. The things you've said about Star Wars have been extremely exaggerated/high-balled to the absolute highest degree in terms of AP (Power not Potential) and Durability. Meanwhile you've severely downplayed/low-balled Dragon Ball to it's lowest degree on certain sections, the Z arcs were perfectly scaled in my opinion, but super was just flat out wrong for most of it compared to the likes of Star Wars. Literally every feat from Star Wars you've shown in this video takes the statements to it's utmost, as in the attacks and feats you showed us only have the Potential to do the things you've said, they were 1: Done by completely different characters (I understand that Darth Vader most likely scales to those characters however its mostly technique based and not purely how powerful they are in the Force) 2: Described specifically to be only potentially possible via special conditions (In this specific case the Force Storms being capable of destroying the entire infinite universe and other things that were never actually done/specifically stated to be only theoretical) 3: Not taking into account that when the characters make these statements they are just simply referring to the infinite power of the Force itself instead of referring to their own usage of it (aside from Palps amping his Force Storm through his rage) and finally 4: Assuming that because the other characters you've brought up can do these things, that Vader can too. When it comes to Star Wars everything the characters have been stated they can do is only theoretical and is rarely ever if at all actually shown. However most of the time Dragon Ball does actually back up these statements with feats such as the universe literally being destroyed around them when they state that it could be destroyed, same with planets, galaxies, even techniques on their own. Bottom line Dragon Ball was severely downplayed in this video not taking into account that things that are stated are more than half the time actually shown to be true, and Star Wars was hyped up to the max even though most of the statements are from novels where we literally can't tell if its hyperbole to catch the reader's attention or if it truly is even happening as well as most of it being just theoretical. I've said my piece on it, I would normally scale the two but I haven't looked into Star Wars lore so I cant really have a valid opinion when it comes to Star Wars. If I'm being a dummy please let me know lol. I dont mean to be rude with this comment so ye

[@brianhanma7839]

Finally someone with some common sense, statements don’t always need to be backed up by feats but the amount of wank they gave Star Wars with no feats and just with statements out of context was wild realistically most characters in DB beat Star War characters with relative ease

[@TheFirehands150]

​@@brianhanma7839 Right. If the feats were true, it would destroy the entire lore. If you are a jedi faster than Light speed, you can end the clone war in less than a second. It would feel like centuries to see a clone trooper shoot one blast.

[@lapplandkun9273]

@@brianhanma7839 Lol, sure bud. Try having goku dying instantly to a million of hax he has no resistances against like death manipulation, lifeforce manipulation, or having his worst fears shown via mind hax. And hilarious you say Star Wars doesn't even have feats when all of them came from published books, comics, and over thirty years worth of official published sources. No feats my ass.

[@Acrosurge]

These days, every fandom seems to be power-scaling their favorites to ludicrous levels. It almost seems to be a form of worship. I wonder if future generations will look back and think that fictional characters like Batman, Sonic, Saitama, Ben Ten, and Darth Vader were each the anchor of a religious faith.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Do you have a counter-argument?

[@Acrosurge]

@@CRISIS_COMICS No, only questions. When has a sith/jedi ever destroyed an entire planet? Not surface destruction, but total disintegration (Death Star style)? When has any sith survived an attack capable of destroying a planet instantly? That's the kind of durability a sith must have to threaten a Frieza saga level Dragon Ball character, to say nothing of the rest of Z or Super. Now, if sith have survived planet-busting attacks, why do the sith need to deflect blaster bolts and lightsabers which are clearly not planet-busting level? Why should a Jedi worry about a lava bath? And one final question; why does it matter whether Darth Vader, or any fictional character can scale to Goku?

[@bedrocksmasher6v964]

​@@Acrosurge now i may be not so well versed in the star wars lore, but i believe it was stated somewhere that darth vader is more powerful than the death stars laser, but his AP lacked the planet busting potential.

[@bedrocksmasher6v964]

As for where or when this was stated.... i forgor

[@arthurg.calixto3338]

@@Acrosurge The answer is that most of these statements come from extra material that were never truly taken seriously outside of the comics realm. The closest we have to a proper Star Wars canon scaling that is consistent with the logic of the movies is unfortunately the Disney canon which is much tamer

[@beyond648]

Robocop vs the Terminator? Battle of the 80s

[@smilemultiverse4963]

Honestly I would really like to see that video

[@TheOneFox2006]

Robocop wins

[@JobSChool-pw5ii]

Which terminqtor since some are practicly gods

[@revlismorningstar825]

So we're just gonna ignore that Palpatine (who according to this video is competing with DBS high tiers) was killed by... falling a relatively great height? 😂

[@Scotthulahoopcawthon]

Into a nuclear reactor

[@revlismorningstar825]

@@Scotthulahoopcawthon still dude, for all intents and purposes Palp should be able to have pseudo flight

[@Kira22558]

​@@revlismorningstar825he was old AF and not mentioning that he was off guard.

[@revlismorningstar825]

@@Kira22558 So what if he was off guard? Man was falling for a good minute, and him being old is what should give him the experience to remain calm and use the force to stop his fall.

[@blueischiii1575]

@@Kira22558Rotj is palpatines prime at least in the force.

[@slicklink9131]

Some part of me really wants to make a joke comment of goku instant transmissioning Darth Vader to a deserted planet with lots of sand and leaving him there without any spaceships to escape the planet. Darth vader pretty much hates sand so id like to think that it be funny that goku would piss darth vader off this way as he already was gone and left darth vader there to deal with sand again. Thats just my opinion though and ik alot of people wouldn't agree exactly.

[@BCCSquidward]

Lol, I get what you mean. But you need to sense someone's energy to use Instant Transmission.

[@slicklink9131]

@BCCSquidward I feel like he could sense Darth Vader's energy even if its a bit different. I may have not watched alot of star wars but I've at least heard a little bit about it like how Darth Vader's story of how he gets his classic cyber armor suit. Darth Vader isn't an android cause he still has his burnt body within that suit and can use energy like a normal beings while using the force. so It wouldn't be hard for Goku to sense energy from Darth Vader.

[@BCCSquidward]

@@slicklink9131 No, I mean he can't just teleport Vader anywhere. He would need to sense something to teleport somewhere.

[@FatefulMedia3383]

Pleasant to see my favorite verses getting some much needed love and care! 😎👍

[@limisted2747]

WAIT WHAT?!?! Vader has Domain Expansion: Infinite Void 🤞👀

[@mr.knightthedetective7435]

Technically speaking the Force is Space Ki cause both are based on same Eastern principle but comparing Vader, who's barely Galaxy level to Goku who's easily High Multiversal? C'mon bruh EDIT: Oh, it's Legends lore aight I'm fine with it let's roll

[@madstachoif5512]

Disney Canon Lore is still pretty OP, Vader literally has Hyperversal Feats by ripping the entirety of space apart and tanking a certain portion of Sidious’s Force Lightning.

[@theretroshogun2961]

​@madstachoif5512 Eh, you could say that's a huge outliner feat because there's far too many instances where he gets struck by NORMAL lightning and it disrupts him.

[@madstachoif5512]

@@theretroshogun2961 In TFU 2 Vader was completely unphased after receiving Trillions of Kilojoules of Lightning in the Final Boss, Canon Vader can’t be that different.

[@madstachoif5512]

Wait Goku in the Manga is Low Complex Multiversal, High Multi would be a little bit of an exaggerarion.

[@theretroshogun2961]

​@@madstachoif5512No he is. People think that Canon Vader and Legends have similar attributes....they don't Canon Vader in one comic literally got blitzed by lightning while hunting Tarkin. I forgot the comic but yeah. Also, people forget that Vader did indeed tank sideous's lightning, but immediately died right after

[@patrickbret1056]

Ultimate Gohan vs Legends Luke would be a killer follow up to this

[@chucknorris6640]

Luke would win without any difficulty, Luke force push was strong enough to destroy multiple planets size ships, he could become one with the force and fight without using his body, he was cable of moving black holes

[@Invisibleboy999]

@@chucknorris6640u gave us planet-solar system lvl feats. Dawg cell games gohan would sweep

[@madstachoif5512]

@@Invisibleboy999 I’m sorrt but that Blackhole feat alone sweeps a major majority of Dragon Ball, Goku can’t win aganist Black Holes

[@Alleis]

​@madstachoif5512 Garlic Junior back in 1989 DBZ was able to create black holes (possibly even higher dimensional constructs nothing could escape from) they've long since surpassed black holes lol.

[@Invisibleboy999]

@@madstachoif5512 black holes are like star-solar system lvl so goku by the cell games definitely has the power greater then a black hole also the other person comment made me realize someone replied to me thats why im replying late

[@Vegito-Blue-1337]

Disagreed with all this to be be frank, right after the Buu saga and Goku with Vegeta learning the ways of God Ki and God hood in general. That was pretty much it. Not only capabel of destroying planets but in base divine form he was capable of causing ripples through reality itself. Even without God ki he can merely destroy a planet if he wants to, or any tech they all have. (Some of y'all folks may see this d riding, still a good video btw)

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

What about any of what you described is better than what’s described in the video?

[@Vegito-Blue-1337]

​@@CRISIS_COMICS 🤷 I mean you did say in the video, he feeds off super Saiyan, but if it's for Goku to go God, or Blue then vaders done for since rage isn't befitting that of a God, it's all about having a calm mindset apparently when accessing Godly forms

[@BCCSquidward]

@@Vegito-Blue-1337 Yes, but that wasn't Vader's only argument over Goku. 💀

[@ct2586]

This fight is actually not close at all. Goku is capable of destroying the moon as a child. Vader would need a death star like weapon to do such a feat. Also Goku is thousands of times faster then Vader. Once the fight started Vader would be killed in one hit and not be able to see anything coming

[@KEEPTALKIN8215]

Bro didn't watch the vid

[@BCCSquidward]

@@KEEPTALKIN8215 Coming back a month later, you can tell many didn't. 💀

[@johnnygongy]

@@BCCSquidward Dark Vader has shown no Planet feats. Looking at the video the sith that destroyed two stars used some crystal and saying that darth vader is planet because he is better than that person is kind of laughable. Until there are FEATS of him destroying a planet he is not planet buster abilities. If he really did why did they build a death star?? Just send vader to blow up planets instead but wait they didnt!

[@BCCSquidward]

@@johnnygongy So, I guess we'll just ignore how he goes up from scaling *Darth* Vader from planetary to higher levels comparing them to the different sagas of DBZ and the arcs if DBS in the video. 💀 The Death Star was built as a scare tactic, that much is made pretty clear in ANH, it's something imposing and scary, that when people see, they know what it's capable of, also... I mean, Palpatine IS the same guy who sits in his chair all day while sending Vader to run errands.

[@johnnygongy]

@@BCCSquidward The Death Star being a scare tactic??? What on earth are you on about LOL! Also Dragon Ball Super is universal power level??? Don't even think you understand how wrong you are . 🤣🤣🤣

[@AceTheBatHound99]

Now this, is an unexpected & awesome match up. I guess by most Star Wars fans, I would be considered a casual. Only truly fell in love with the first 6 movies, & the original book trilogy. So I never knew Sith were quite so powerful. Wow! Wicked Job done Crisis!

[@mitchtherevolution]

They aren't this powerful, 98% of this video is explicitly not canon. If Vader could just destroy a planet, then it would be stupid for him to fly around in TIE fighter protecting the Death Star from Rebels with conventional military weapons.

[@dagagabjahvajv]

In my opinion, Goku wins thanks to the difference in speed and how easily he scales to higher dimensions.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Did u watch the vid?

[@dagagabjahvajv]

@@CRISIS_COMICS emphasis on the word opinion, aside from you explained it, scaling Vader at immeasurable speed is extremely complicated while Goku in his base state was already capable of moving in a dimension without space and time Apart from that, the macrocosm is a 5-dimensional structure and let's be honest, the current Goku infinitely surpasses the SSJGOD of the fight against Bills.

[@roninkahn4033]

I mean if you wanna pull from other sources you could use gt, heroes, the movies. Also i just wanna clear things up its not just like ui is pure instinct it is but it allows for fighting without the usage of the brain at all as well as having its own abilites and hax. Its also likely vader wouldnt be able to grow stronger when goku or anyone uses the god forms or god ki due to them being undetectable and not requiring rage. Since the force and ki is similar itd be like sidious' force cloak on steroids. The movies have speed feats that just put characters to irrelevant speeds. Garlic junior casually pulling off a 4d feat. Current goku and vegeta surpassed broly as stated by whis in the manga. Ui and ultra ego also allow the user to grow stronger as it fights although ego needs to be hit in order to grow in power. Goku blacl casually ripping holes to other timelines or dimensions. Manga kid buu wqs stated to make the universe go poof if they lost the fight. Whis can just reverse time. Mafuuba soul punisher or stardust breaker would just kill vader in one shot or remove all the evil in his soul or heart. Hakai was mentioned and it can be used as an energy attack. Instant transmission is instant. Higher end dragon ball characters kinda outscale in terms of martial arts. One galaxy worth of fighting knowledge vs the entire afterlife as well as other universes is a greater showing. Just some feats that couldve been used

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

We’re only considering main canon for Dragon Ball. God Ki doesn’t inherently use rage, but MUI Goku in the TOP or obviously Gohan Beast do use anger. The dark side emotions that Vader can amp himself off of aren’t rage exclusively, even just harmful intent is enough.

[@roninkahn4033]

​​@@CRISIS_COMICS I mean mui does use anger but it's not required for the transformation and is mostly absent until jiren attempts to kill the z fighters so its not a necessity like the original ssj forms intent is basically out of the equation for mui since the usage ofnthe brain is completely disconnected and no longer a factor in action and movement as stated by whis. Ithink legends vader scales to the higher ups of dragon ball but stops at the broly movie. Not broly himself since vader would just feed off of brolys anger to empower himself and broly just growing constantly with vader so the fight would just be constant adaptation. But current manga characters like goku and vegeta surpass broly as stated by whis and that's before they get new forms and black frieza. Also does vader have resistance to existence erasure? Great video btw.

[@Tylearned]

CAN HE BEAT YAMCHA?!

[@BCCSquidward]

R2-D2 can. 🗿

[@supreme_doge_yt7509]

Can he beat saibamen tho ?

[@GummyBearKing1]

No he cant

[@ZeldaMultiverseUnderrated]

Yamcha will never escape this meme, won’t he?

[@cmxb2081]

Yes he can

[@ShadowCritias]

I respect y'all's reasoning & opinion about Vader Vs Goku is a closer fight but I'm sorry as much I love Darth Vader as villain & as a character & we know how powerful his & with all the research y'all for Vader against Goku, but again I'm sorry but Goku solos Vader that's just me.

[@GlennOrSomething]

At this point why don’t channels focus only on: • Consistent feats (strength, speed, etc.) • Explicitly shown feats • Measurable stats (no scaling, no guess work) Otherwise, what’s the point of a death match?

[@darthmalgus987]

So what's your opinion

[@sanicinapanic4264]

Imo this could cause many problems since it ignores many factors but I feel like the most major ones are verse equalization and power system interaction awelll as a few minor things like what do you define as “explicitly shown feats” or “ measurable stats” imo part of any death battle is taking a few leaps I mean it’s why we can “high ball” or “low ball” a character not to say it’s always works out the biggest example of this imo is JJK power scaling which sucks like “Dagon is island level because of his domain” which is stupid imo or almost any JJK FTL “feat”

[@anotherunreliablenarrator]

I'm not gonna lie, imagining Trunks having a sword fight with Darth Vader is the shit.

[@BCCSquidward]

🔥🔥

[@MrMichaelisaacs1]

While I do think goku would still come out on top. People really do underestimate how powerful the force is and just how powerful Vader is.

[@mitchtherevolution]

Yeah, he's so powerful that he can't defend the Death Star from a small squadron of obsolete X-Wings. So powerful he can't even move his own body away from lava with his one remaining arm. Yeah, no, power creep Vader is stupid.

[@Blue9k]

Goku and Vader on top 💯🔥

[@BCCSquidward]

GOATS FR 🐐🔥🗣️💪

[@smilemultiverse4963]

Mr popo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Darth Vader and comp Goku fused

[@DefNotHacks]

Farmer with shotgun and burger king piccolo >>>>>>>>>>

[@BCCSquidward]

@@DefNotHacks Gary the Stormtrooper: 🗿

[@DefNotHacks]

@@BCCSquidward Mouse droid >>>>> comp fiction

[@Berlinbower]

"Nah, i'd win" -Darth Vader

[@FreeJalen]

Obi wan is sukuna

[@602PHX21]

It is definetly closer than ppl think but goku still negs vader in base form .

[@mitchtherevolution]

It isn't close, Vader and Palpatine would get stomped by Saiyan Saga Yamcha.

[@602PHX21]

@@mitchtherevolution interesting opinion i still stand on mine tho

[@malachimcake6414]

@@mitchtherevolutionu man did not watched the vid😭😭😭

[@mitchtherevolution]

@malachimcake6414 Oh, I watched it. The video is wrong and produced by an absolute idiot. Legends is stupid, trash that is explicitly not canon.

[@mitchtherevolution]

@@malachimcake6414 The video is based on Legends, which is explicitly not canon. The power creep in Legends is ubiquitously stupid. The video is wrong, and the person who made the video is an idiot.

[@AilonZenget]

I feel like the standards in which both these were scaled at were massively different. Like that count duku statement of him being able to “draw upon the force throughout the universe” more pertaining to his ability to extrapolate the force as a source of power than actually having universal power. I mean if you’re going with that, then why not use the statements of every main line dbz villain having universal lvls of power starting at 2nd form Freiza? I mean if the lack of feats and illustrations of said power aren’t a problem factoring count duku and just the mention of universal anything than characters in dbz should be that powerful as early as namek saga.

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

Forget about universal freeza. What about all the outerversal afterlife statements ? And thus outerversal ssj god ?

[@AilonZenget]

@@elcalabozodelandroide2 outerversal? No

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

@@AilonZenget yes. Multiple source like the daizenzou 5 , the daizonchou and multiple videogames (including kakarot) says the afterlife is about time , and multiple dimentions

[@AilonZenget]

@@elcalabozodelandroide2 that doesn’t mean it’s outerversal. If it is referring to higher dimensionality and not just a spiritual realm, it could just mean that the afterlife is 5d not outer. That’s just to big of a jump.

[@IHateThisCommunity]

@@AilonZengetsome guidebooks say it transcends the CONCEPTS of time and space. This is low outer.

[@Beyonder-l1s]

Hey crisis can you do more Star Wars power scaling videos?

[@BCCSquidward]

Fr 🔥 Let's spread the news! 🗣️👏

[@Beyonder-l1s]

Yessir

[@epistemo3442]

Yeah, Crisis needs to do more SW powerscaling videos.

[@RiannaSaren]

Lol

[@Kumo0toko]

Star wars is fodder 😅 DB, Marvel and DC no diffs it like nothing

[@prisoniffyuhsoapisgettinslippy]

The logic of this video: some random dude sucked out a planet’s energy ? Hmm lets make vader planetary 🙂‍↕️

[@mitchtherevolution]

Totally planetary combat level. That's why Vader uses a TIE Fighter to defend the Death Star from conventional military weapons during the Battle of Yavin.

[@alan199360]

Vader ain't faster than light. It isn't about strength, but speed. Try to force stop multiple ki blasts at the speed of light

[@aguywithcommonsense1204]

He literally is faster than light, he has a calc that put him thousands times ftl and he can deflect multiple blaster bolts which are light speed

[@alan199360]

@@aguywithcommonsense1204 the bolt is light speed, not the trigger not the thought. Vader don't have ftl thoughts

[@aguywithcommonsense1204]

@@alan199360 wtf is that supposed to mean? He still has the feats and calcs that put him at mftl+

[@alan199360]

@@aguywithcommonsense1204 firs, what is a calc. Second: Vader cannot think nor react at the speed of ligth one nor multile times. Third: Ki works exactly as he force, meaning Goku can do everyhing Vader can, but faster and stronger. Fourth: It desn't matter whos wins in a figth, ther writer always chooses, because the story is most important. Fifth: stop having pitty arguments with people you don't know on the internet, go out, make some friends, live your life, read Niesztche, have a pourpuse, deligth yourself with the art, and don't take everything too seriosly, its just made up fantasy

[@shaunbryantjr2355]

​@@alan199360he literally made a made a good claim with evidence and you insulted his personal life lmao

[@brendiesel386]

1:49 this isn't always the case, as seen in the vegeta fight, where vegeta, who has a power of 18,000, is hit by goku's kaioken x4 kamehameha, (goku's power is over 8,000 x 4 = 32,000) so vegeta got hit with an attack more double his own power and survived proving characters can still scale to and fight others with greater power levels

[@JakeRider-wc6ke]

Now the real question would be what would happen if Goku Punch Vader in his face at Full 100 percent power.

[@BCCSquidward]

Force Barriers: "I gotchu, bro." 🗿

[@banditkeef3864]

Vader go: “Ouch!”

[@fafmundo4449]

So no head

[@egxtra]

At the very least, that helmet's shattering beyond repair.

[@ZorusSerif]

his helmet would probably disintegrate entirely from the amount of force in that punch

[@maku3857]

Dragon ball felt pretty lowballed in power, skill and ability.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

It wasn’t.

[@GummyBearKing1]

Severely lowballed and they wanked Vader just so he can stand a chance 😂 but the sad thing is they couldn't even get him past BOG goku 😂

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

How's that?

[@SleepingSoulK]

⁠@@CRISIS_COMICSWell to focus on the powerscaling aspect theres multiple sources which say Frieza in the Namek Saga had the power to destroy the universe in the second form which was stated by King Kai and the Narrator at that time. Then flash forward to him being hit by the spirit bomb, which was stated in a guide to gather energy across the entire universe which 50% power Frieza survived. So with that they definitely got multiple Universal statements to work with. Even you doubt it Toriyama said in a interview all the things said in the series is to not be a hyperbole, to quote him. “At any rate, I don’t waste to much time blathering on about useless things. As a rule, you can under the context to a certain extent with just the pictures, and with words are just nothing more but a supplement to them. - If you’re going to come out and say something, then make it something that will strengthen the characterization even further, is what I mean.” Which makes these things very apolitical to be used and valid. Then we got Cell which is stronger than Frieza and has boundless power in his perfect form. The biggest thing about this is cosmology too because in db a single solars system is considered a nebula, having uncountable amount of stars with it. Yet Cell was was only seeking to destroy the Earth ensuring Gohan had no shot not really using his full power otherwise he would’ve off’d the universe. Then Buu saga was already touch upon but there feats in there and statements with guides which can get Goku in Z to hyper to outer. This is just Z, DBS is way crazier Vader wouldn’t even be able to perceive Goku nor tank his attack at all… Plus even with Vader hax resistances wouldnt matter if your opponent is higher in dimensionality which Goku has way more going for him than Vader does. Even without that in DB the stronger you are to your opponent the weaker ones hax if not completely ignored so yeah. It’s a great video but the Goku scaling unironically negs, Vader’s.

[@Lost_SoNy]

@@CRISIS_COMICS I don't know maybe, the planet Earth from DBZ is 900 X bigger than our Sun (same planet as the one from Dr Slump) so Multi-Solar System Level to Multi-Galaxy Level (All Planet buster DBZ) (without mentioning that our planet is considered small in the Dragon Ball Z universe)

[@theheadlessglen]

Was just thinking when would Crisis make another Star Wars video

[@achimpanzee9210]

People need to learn the difference between destructive capacity and attack potency.

[@IronSK]

When Cell is says he has infinite power, isn't he just talking about the anti-exhaustion engine he has after absorbing the androids?

[@پوریاصحبتزاده-ب3ب]

This comparison feels a little weird.... While your logic for Star Wars being anywhere close to 5th dimension genuinely boggles my mind as I've only glazed Star Wars, But Still have a few questions : How could Vader genuinely be at the level of Goku when Starkiller, A person who has shown the ability to beat Vader (His Clone included), Had extreme difficulty pulling down a star destroyer, Or how a Jedi Master (I think it was a guy with a really long neck) once died when protecting a planet with the force (With Darth Vader himself often struggling against Jedi Masters, Even disregarding Cere who gave him hell, Shack Ti was considered a threat in the Force Unleashed), Nihilus absorbing energy by going planet to planet rather than galaxy by galaxy. Or Luke only being able to contain a blackhole AFTER achieving Grandmaster level while he had his human body. While I can see how becoming one with the Force can make you 5d with the nature of Star Wars Cosmology, thanks to what we saw with Luke, But giving anyone BUT Luke that level of power without them having shown it is a fine line, If Vader had Immeasurable speed (Or close to it with reaction) Then then why didn't he just..... Walk to the past rather than need a special device..... Or cut the fact that Padme died from existence? Sidious himself having 5d (The Force) as a power source making him the same tier also seems sketchy given that while The Force can do those things, But It also has been shown that The body of the user can not handle the strain, As what happened with Luke's nephew, So I'm more inclined to believe in Vader being Galaxy level with some benefit (With Star and Planets just proven time and again) and below Universe level at his absolute best (Thanks to tanking Sidious's Lighting) with Massively faster than light reaction. Vader Getting stronger with Super Saiyan is a fascinating point, Though with Grade 4 and the above tier of Super Saiyan Becoming more about control I don't see him getting the 50 times benefit, Thanks to the fact that the Saiyan's body are being changed, with rage just being a catalyst for the transformation rather than a genuine source of power to draw from like the Dark Side.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

You have a few things mixed up. For one, Vader was holding back on Starkiller in the first game and was dominating Galen in TFU2; he only lost to Force Lightning which is Vader's kryptonite. Vader's also much stronger by RotJ; I'm not saying all of SW Legends is 5d, mostly just high tiers such as peak/RotJ/non-conflicted Vader. Cere exists in another continuity. Nihilus is far weaker than Vader and was just used as a baseline for planet lvl; Luke performing that feat doesn't limit him. If I crush a tin can it doesn't mean I can't punch a whole in a wall, GM Luke has far better feats. Immeasurable speed doesn't mean you can time travel, just react when there's no time. Sidious' body handled the 5D power as he mastered Force Storms with a weaker body compared to his RotJ self; and a fatigued Vader's body withstood his power. Goku and company still use rage boosts, with Trunks' rage form and Gohan Beast being predicated on such. If MUI Goku and Vader are near equals, as I showed, then Goku using rage like he did against Jiren or even SSJB Goku vs Black and Zamasu wouldn't be as advantageous against Vader.

[@پوریاصحبتزاده-ب3ب]

@@CRISIS_COMICS Where was it written that he was holding back? The man had TRIED to kill him on three separate occasions, First one was a trick, And the last two were just him failing to do so, In the novel he went as far as to crush Galen's saber in disdain. there is little to suggest that Vader got that strong between Force Unleashed and RTJ, He was pretty much at his most stable power unlike the other instances like the beginning when he was new and lost to Obi-Wan or the end to his Reign when he was fighting Luke. Cere I can buy, But he sends Starkiller after Shack Ti citing her as a threat, So even if he is stronger than her, Given that Starkiller only needs to beat her and a few other character to become strong enough to fight Vader on even terms, Then the difference is not by much. With Luke, I said his HUMAN body because the other showcases of his power happen to be more special (Fighting Abolath without his body for example), And times he's considered much stronger than when he went up against Sidious. One of the abilities that is just a given when you have immeasurable speed is the ability to travel through time, As you are no longer bound by it, Several Instances of immeasurable speed are proven when a character travels through time without any device or power to help them. Here's the source: character-level.fandom.com/wiki/Speed Goku has enough evidence and reasoning on why he doesn't travel through time, With Vader? That goes against the very fiber of his character, As he would JUMP at the chance to go back and has on multiple occasions tried to mess with time travel or necromancy. Only to fail each time. Given how consistently destroying a planet is considered exceptional in Star Wars, With Sidious considering the death star a war ender, Especially at Vader's time, I can only guess that Sidious mastered the power of the Force enough to threaten the universe, But nothing else. Much like a battery that's connected to a power plant, Sure it can go nuclear but it will vaporize itself, With the mastery coming only he how much you can push into yourself without burning yourself in the process. But even if we give Vader the benefit of 5d scaling, Then there comes the issue of just how often something like a lightsaber is considered a kill shot, Vader needed to resort to stabbing himself with his Lightsaber to beat Maul(Someone who could beat him, Again, Who was unlikely to be off guard thanks to how him lowering it last time ended) and needed special medical attention, Boba could kill other Jedi with their Lightsaber even though he didn't have the Force, And Sidious even if he was surprised had more than enough time to augment his body to endure the reactor, And he still got vaporized. In which case puts their durability(Their bodies at least, And from what you say this was Sidious at his strongest) at star level, Sure they can block far stronger attacks but the moment something actually touches with far less power than them they get hurt, A rather huge weakness when we are putting them against people who eat knuckle sandwiches for breakfast. Just Almost forgot something, Goku managed to get fast enough to make Jiren go serious, While before he broke time with minimal effort, And then proceeded to push him to his absolute limit with MUI, So he would likely be much faster than Vader while in SSBKK*20, Or just regular SSB.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@پوریاصحبتزاده-ب3ب The TFU 2 novel. Watch my Vader video, it's stated he grows stronger in ANH, ESB, and RotJ; even in this video. Shak-Ti is a test to SK, which is why Vader sends him after her. SK grows stronger after learning his origin, and Vader was holding back against him as shown in my Vader video as well as Seth's Sith ranking video. His human body was able to overpower the Vong leader who was compared to Palpatine, he also withstood Sidious' lightning. Read further: "Characters that are able to move backwards and forwards through time by movement alone qualify for immeasurable speed. However, due to general inconsistencies, and the fact that several fictions grant this ability to any character able to move FTL, they may be assigned an additional, independent, speed rating for the ability. This should preferably be evaluated on a case-by-case basis." It's not a given. The Maul fight was an Infinite's, not even canon to Legends. The Jedi Boba kills aren't 5D, but Vader is; Vader's tanked lightsaber strikes in the Dark Times comics. Sidious teleported his consciousness away and wouldn't be amping his lifeless body after his spirit leaves; so no. | Jiren overpowered Hit's time-hax; "transcending time" in that sense.

[@Beyonder-l1s]

Hey crisis is black panther from marvel comics a mastered off all forms of martial arts arts? and prime Darth Vader scales above all the pt titans

[@پوریاصحبتزاده-ب3ب]

@@Beyonder-l1s While I'm not Crisis, Let me put my hat in the ring. In the Case of Black Panther's skill against Vader's, You have to keep in mind that T'Chala regularly fights people far stronger than him, While Vader, Even without using the force to augment himself, Has the precognition to rely on on top of his skills, And the opponents he's up against are relative in strength to him rather than the one shots people like Peter and T'Chala have going against them.

[@lonkstakes]

Damn I'm doing a Dragonball vs Star Wars Topic this week as well! Great minds think alike.

[@BCCSquidward]

You're here too?! 🔥🐲👍 Jedi Order VS Planet Vegeta? If so, can't wait. 🔥 Maybe that'll also show people how underrated SW characters are in terms of power. I guess depending on if you end up using canon or legends. 🤔

[@lclark6091]

@@BCCSquidward Your eating good as a star wars fan aren't you.

[@BCCSquidward]

@@lclark6091 I'm genuinely fan of both franchises. Most polls I post on my channel are Dragon Ball related. 🐉

[@Gol-D.-Ragu]

We need hercule vs jar jar binks

[@BCCSquidward]

W 🗿👏

[@ZorusSerif]

Yes just yes

[@DarthDarthBeans]

Good work Crisis!!🥂

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Thanks!

[@DarthDarthBeans]

@@CRISIS_COMICS deserved🐐

[@Beyonder-l1s]

So Would IH dooku scale above all the past sith?

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

99% of them.

[@Beyonder-l1s]

So i take it valkorion would scale above prime dooku?

[@ar_ali19]

Rage is a factor for activating the ssj form for the first time but after that it's second nature and can be tapped into like a technique,

[@joshh1740]

The whole verse is a Nappa victim

[@BCCSquidward]

R2 victim. 🗿

[@X12578]

Nappa is fodder as hell

[@joshh1740]

@@X12578 yeah. I’ve learned more about Star Wars scaling and I now disagree with my original comment. I think Star Wars is about Namek level now.

[@Spider-K]

Preciate the scans 😁, w vid

[@Lime-green-death-beam]

Holy Star Wars is op

[@brianhanma7839]

This is crazy, Jedi’s are constantly needing to dodge blaster rounds while on GUARD they are literally in a war against clones that are on the same physical level as a normal human with some training. Kid Goku with a power level of 10 can wipe out the clone armies by himself but somehow this Jedi’s that is stated are thousands of them are struggling with some droids and clones are now Reaching planet Ap and durability that’s insane statements needs to be backed with feats to be able to not be a fallacy like when DB character say they can blow planets, solar systems , galaxies and universes they actually do it so you can actually scale them when Vader gets overwhelmed by a bunch of rebels with punny blasters while on guard it’s like saying if we saw Goku struggling with a bunch of thugs in dragon ball while on guard and actually having to retreat and then turn around say he is universal let’s say if they never showed he is which they have. So I just find this really stupid In reality a saibamen would speed blitz all of Star Wars. Vader would literally loose to Chiaotzu he has better feats than Vader 😂

[@mitchtherevolution]

Legends Purists + Autism

[@BCCSquidward]

FINALLY! Someone not underestimating Star Wars, they are so underrated in terms of power. Especially Legends Luke Skywalker. 🔥 Star Wars is more than just movies everyone. 🤦 Material like Legends really opens your eyes to just how powerful SW characters really are.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Spreading the word!

[@Beyonder-l1s]

Was post 66 yoda amp when he fought Sidious and how

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

⁠@@Beyonder-l1sYoda was not amped

[@Beyonder-l1s]

Would post 66 yoda beat post IH anakin

[@Zeziliath]

Vader can genuinely absorb ki, at least some Jedi can. Those with the ability can absorb any type of energy, like the time a jedi absorbed the heat of a volcano in order to give themselves a temporary boost in Force power

[@erops7933]

They still can casually destroy planets, like Vader is not going to stop the equivalent of a death star blast, which is the bare minimum of what Goku can unleash

[@Zeziliath]

@@erops7933 hey man i dont think u know , but Vader is actually STRONGER than the Death Star is, but in Star Wars it is explained that they cannot blow up planets by punching the ground or with the force, so they use the Death Star. Their AP (Attack Potency) is higher than their AOE so to speak. Basically if a wall had the durability of a planet, vader could punch through it. However he cannot just do that to a planet.

[@Zeziliath]

@@erops7933 but let me be clear i in no way think vader stands a chance against goku or something xd just SO many people don’t know star wars, and i like spreading the word :)

[@tacooobelll5899]

he would explode like yakon did...

[@mitchtherevolution]

​​​@@Zeziliath Yeah that's why Vader flies around in a TIE Fighter to defend the Death Star from conventional military weapons at the Battle of Yavin... He's using normal military weapons because he's actually a multiplanetary power with massively FTL combat speed. Oh wait, no.. That would be incredibly stupid.

[@fademiller3874]

If Star Wars characters consistently have universal level durability? How do they die to things like blaster bolts? Or blasters are just universal?

[@madstachoif5512]

We’re not talking about characters who die in the movies or shows, we’re talking about highest ranking force users from the novels and comics, and they easily tank blaster bolts which is stated in the lore with contact, can kill your whole internal organ system.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

None of the characters I mentioned in this video die to blasters.

[@Pettam713]

​@CRISIS_COMICS at the end with vador siphoning a hypothetically 50x amp isn't possible, you'd be assuming goku would be getting 50 times angrier which is kinda dumb, at most if goku got a rage amp, vador would get a little stronger as the rage amp isn't what makes goku stronger or more specifically it isnt what makes him get 50x stronger, it's just a catalyst for a new evolution seperate from his anger

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@Pettam713 Rage amps in Dragon Ball alone are massive and even higher than SSJ multipliers a lot of the time.

[@theretroshogun2961]

​@CRISIS_COMICS but they do die to lightsabers, so are the lightsabers universal or something?

[@ZeldaMultiverseUnderrated]

Finally, I made time for this video and it’s great.

[@josephdent6825]

Man’s doing anime content now?? You love to see it

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

DB’s goat’d and Ty knows his stuff 🐉

[@josephdent6825]

Both are facts would love to see more 🔥🐉

[@TheeSinnerman]

Am I about to become a Star wars fan? Lol

[@BCCSquidward]

Palpatine: "Do it."

[@TheeSinnerman]

*Slices Dookus Thinker off in Minecraft*

[@lordodium3872]

If Darth Vader and Palpatine could destroy universes then why didn't they just go blow up the rebel base on Hoth or Endor or anything along the lines of destroying the whole rebel fleets attacking the Death stars why would they even need a Death star

[@Blue9k]

For Sidious its likely due to him not mastering force storms, cause in DE where he masters the ability his force storms have universal range. As for Vader he just has universal ap not universal dc/range

[@chucknorris6640]

Because Palpatine was so arrogant and lazy, and the Rebels had the most OP plot shield

[@IHateThisCommunity]

Because they can’t, this video is basically highballing Star Wars to the maximum while ignoring if it actually can make any sense plot wise.

[@lordodium3872]

@@IHateThisCommunity Agreed

[@chucknorris6640]

@@IHateThisCommunity at least the Legend version ( I don’t care about Disney canon because is a horrible fan made version of Star Wars) Palpatine Vader and Luke were extremely op, Palpatine at least could destroy an entire Star system with its Force storm, Luke was able to destroy an entire fleet of plant size ships without any problems using the force and he was able to use the force to move black holes and he could transform into a Force ghost without dying. There were also extremely OP weapons, a ISD (each turbolaser shot had a power of 200 gigatons) was capable of whipping the life of a planet in matter hours and the Sun Crusher which was a spaceship of the size of a TIE fighter was able to tank the shot of the Death Star and with a single shot this spacecraft was able to destroy an entire sector of the galaxy.

[@crystalfire7x]

Wow, I didn't expect this one Crisis. Both of you did a great job and I subbed the two of you.

[@anthonylipani8382]

Base Goku from BoG, or Krillin from DBS Super Hero CAN solo the verse as soon as Goku absorbed the god ki into his body it’s just not even a challenge anymore. “Because some as strong as you should know when your completely outclassed.”

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Did u watch the video?

[@teaundreyarrington9391]

Probably didn't. XD

[@kalertut]

Ahem Base palpatine from the movies can littrally drain the life force of living being all the way across the galaxy undetected via sith sorcery. Oh you killed palpatine well theres 2 options for that he comes back as a force ghost and follows were he left off or he goes to one of his clones vessels something and once again start were he left off from the other part of the galaxy. AND I'M NOT EVEN FUCKING TALKING ABOUT THE SPACE BANSHEE THOSE SHIT ARE ALMOST IMMORTAL.

[@kalertut]

Pls read till the end if you beging reading this comment. I some ppl in the comment say that it's not canon, yes star wars legends was decanonnized after disney took over well most of it, its actually closer to like a 90% purge of content rather than an erasure so stuff like dark dimension vader (I checked) are still canon. Disney is also recannonizing some of the old force abilities trough the new. shows as far as I'm concerned I would say with the re-evaluated canon, vader would scale just a bit lower than the video. (Energy dispersing, they may have changed the name in disney but still canon. Vader amping himself with the rage of others, we can say this ability is back thanks to the sequels. The precognition or prediction ability never left. Thanks to sequels again force storms are back maybe nerfed but back. also the potential of soul transfer in the force as long as a vessel is available like palpatine and his clones and even without the amp other power scalers with only canon content as sources said that each strikes from him was comparable to a star in terms of joules) Pls can we now stop the beef saying "AH THEY USED LEGENDS SO WE CAN USE CC GOKU" no, star wars tiers are split differently than DB canon tiers. I see goku winning But saying vader would get one hit is absurd, bc goku is goofy (As in he won't finish things first chance he gets) Aside from that ye vader's cooked. it would just be a question of "Can he react to this ki attack" since he lacks range potential bc his suit would endangered him if he ever used lightning and he doesn't have enough sith sorcery pratice to pull off something like a force storm and "Can he respond (not react but respond )to goku throwing hands." Most of the durability he has is either pain endurance and force barrier which are quite strong but I highly doubt to be sufficient facing agaisn't goku, depends how much you would consider the rage amp. I appreciat how you stated "Either way, Vader's tronger than you think." Bc he is severly underrated when it comes to fiction nowadays. Edit: Vader can use sith sorcery it seems and I checked before hand that the following is considered canon even by disney standart. Lord Vader litteraly cursed/trapped the spirit of the grand inquisitor after his death since the 1st brother was actually still interrested in following/returning to his jedi teachings, he now serves as a trap for force sensitive in the area his spirit has been bounded to.

[@AceTheBatHound99]

Hey Crisis! I've got my Ultra DC Infinite or what have you, reinstated. I was wondering if you have any suggestions for where I could start with Nightwing? I've heard there are like two approaches to the beginning of his story. One where Dick & Bruce essentially break-up, & Dick takes off. & One where Dick departs Gotham to spread his wings gracefully. IDK which is which or what comes next tho 😂 That second run sounds more my speed, I hate when Bruce & Dick legitimately don't get along. Any Suggestions?

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

I'd read start with New Teen Titans

[@AceTheBatHound99]

@@CRISIS_COMICS Wolfman huh? Nice, 'preciate it dude.

[@Beyonder-l1s]

Hey crisis is black panther from marvel comics a mastered off all forms of martial arts arts?

[@lclark6091]

@@CRISIS_COMICS IDK if you take request's but please do Vader vs base comics Superman rebirth. I know you are a good dc power scaler.

[@tri-sapien6487]

Vader may be limited in what he can do due to his body, but he would fucking annihilate most fictional sword fighters.

[@Kira22558]

Depending on what sword fighters you mean.

[@ZorusSerif]

I mean really most because most sword fighters​ aren't going to be fighting with laser swords that can cut through theirs lol@@Kira22558

[@kingpizza1854]

If dark vader is getting close to killing a dragon ball character why this dude lost in the obito death battle I'm so confused

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Death Battle isn’t that good

[@kingpizza1854]

@@CRISIS_COMICS make sense there been a couple i been struggling to wrap my head around

[@KEEPTALKIN8215]

In one of the casts they said for that one they tried to keep it closer to disney canon.

[@BCCSquidward]

Yeah... Death Battle had a good season this year... but Vader VS Obito in terms of accuracy? 💀🤣 They had Obi-Wan beat Kakashi... but Obito beat Vader? ☠️

[@smilemultiverse4963]

@@BCCSquidward can't wait for a padawan to beat jigen in the next one then tenten beating prime legends Luke

[@zachcurtis1283]

Goku murks Vader.

[@redholy9127]

How do jedis and siths lose to anything besides another jedi or sith or some other force being if their this powerful? And I'm not trying to be cute I just don't understand how they can be this powerful but get done in if A strom trooper hits them with A direct shot, does their durability not scale to their AP or does all stars wars weapons have universal AP?

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

A lot of the time they’re off guard, like Order 66. Also they could have high AP but low heat resistance.

[@theretroshogun2961]

​@@CRISIS_COMICS I just feel like most of star wars is really inconsistent. You'll have characters exploding stars one second then having just above mountain levels of strength the next. It's all wonky. Although I could see Vader getting blitzed as you mentioned before even Jedi with precogntion struggle in fights. Great video though^^

[@MentalMachine]

Wow, this is unique. I'd think Goku initially.

[@sumanoskae]

Y'all get that Vader talking about the power of the force surpassing the power to destroy a planet is not LITERAL, right? Right? We're all clear that Vader means the force is more powerful in a spiritual, holistic sense?

[@thevisionary5135]

So you just ignored the video and didn’t watch it

[@sumanoskae]

@@thevisionary5135 Oh I watched it, I just think it's silly, and a bit blunt. This hyper literalism power scalers do is not, to me, an interesting way to engage with art.

[@thevisionary5135]

@@sumanoskae Explain to me how it’s hyper literal, when he blatantly showed someone who used the force to make two stars go supernova. Something that would require more energy than destroying a planet.

[@sumanoskae]

@@thevisionary5135 If I need to explain why that line from Vader was not meant to be taken literally, then you either haven't seen the movie, or you just missed the point of it completely.

[@thevisionary5135]

@@sumanoskae You’re dodging the question. You have not demonstrated why that line is not meant to be taken literally and you’re shifting the burden of proof, when I have already satisfied mine and showed you feats like the force being powerful enough to cause to stars to go supernova which would take more power than to destroy a planet. So either you give an adequate explanation for why it’s not meant to be taken literally despite the evidence to the contrary or you just concede because it seems like you have no argument.

[@toomanygrenades]

I bet Squidward could beat Goku.

[@African-AmericanGoose]

Vader 🗿🤝🗿frieza

[@BCCSquidward]

Palpatine seems more accurate. 😈

[@madstachoif5512]

Isn’t Vader black though? Oh wait a second, so is Frieza. 😅

[@arcadius3257]

My guy, Namek Saga frieza would demolish Darth Vader. Get out of here with this shit lmao.

[@N_DAnimationEnthusiast]

I mean, Star Wars lore does go ham with the Legends canon. Then again, one could also factor in some of the stuff in the anime (and if you wanted to the movies) minus Super or Heroes of course. It would be a delight to see a crossover between the two series outside of Fortnite (especially with Dragon Ball being heavily inspired by Star Wars). Edit: Huh. I stand corrected. First time I’ve seen decent arguments for Universal Star Wars. Neat.

[@GummyBearKing1]

Decent? How?

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@GummyBearKing1Did you watch the video…

[@Beyonder-l1s]

Hey crisis in Disney Canon a Few sources say Sidious toyed with mace > "Mace Windu. Toying with the Jedi Master an anticipation of the arrival of Anakin Skywalker, Palpatine was willing to allow himself to be disarmed to appear more vulnerable when his soon-to-be apprentice arrived. His office window was shattered, and the weapon fell from his hands and down into the depths below when he deliberately left himself open for Windu to deliver a kick to his chest. This left him a single blade." --Star Wars: Relaunched Fact File 117 Is this true or not?

[@GummyBearKing1]

@@CRISIS_COMICS yeah unfortunately, I did I assume you didn't watch your own video. The question for you is; did you even do any research at all? For starwars

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@Beyonder-l1sfind a link to that fact file so I can read it, most sources say Windu won outright

[@Gameing-and-otherstuff]

Actually it was stated multiple times the frieza had the power the destroy the universe so and goku was able to defeat him easily as super sayin so take as what you will

[@ZeldaMultiverseUnderrated]

20:32 Wow, it’s embarrassing that Death Battle didn’t even mention this part.

[@ZorusSerif]

they refused to mention a lot that Vader can do with the force like the fact that he can disintegrate someone completely casually he can perfect cell some CASUALLY

[@abdullahsaa96]

I’m a big Vader fan but I just don’t see him winning tbh, good video though 👌🏼

[@mitchtherevolution]

I feel like the Star Wars powerscalers are really confused about good characters vs strong characters.

[@isabaig6665]

Best days crisis uploads.

[@deckzone3000]

🤦‍♂️ Why did you bring in someone that doesn't know DBZ, to talk about DBZ? Edit: The further into the video, the more I think he just got to info from youtube shorts.

[@trayuchiha6920]

Narh you’re overestimating Vader way to much💀

[@achimpanzee9210]

Or maybe you’re just underestimating him

[@Ruggi21]

Planet blown up, the end

[@lclark6091]

Vader was lucky it was Goku and not Superman because Supe's would destroy Vader.

[@achimpanzee9210]

Well yeah, Superman scales above the source wall 💀💀

[@FB-nw8pp]

Yeah, Superman’s the goat

[@LoneMyth]

Are people are getting dumber or to get people to clickbait and say ridiculous.

[@bradpatterson4258]

Goku vs Star wars goku would win become star wars not that strong need death star 2 like

[@dominikcivrag2015]

So are clones moon lvl since they could kill so many jedi?

[@MrThemelloman]

If we are talking about a current goku, he doesnt use rage to transform, so idk about that boosting theory

[@SevVonDoom]

this is not a close match bro i love vader but this is NOT close bro

[@Kira22558]

Please watch the video again, This EU vader not canon one.

[@carpenoctem775]

A DBZ/Star Wars crossover is just what the world needs right now.

[@FriezaDBZKing69]

Vader being universal... lol... Goku dogwalks Vader. It isn't even close...

[@nicholasaugello2534]

Uhhh 😅 i didn't think Starwars could get to galaxy level let alone complex Multiversal like how DBS kinda has

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

watch the vid

[@uyetsiurwerwerruwer]

Could this quote at all scale hyperspace higher than 5th dimensional? "Outside the universe, there is nothing. This nothing is called hyperspace. A tiny bubble of existence hangs in the nothing. This bubble is called a ship. The bubble has neither motion nor stillness, nor even orientation, since the nothing has no distance or direction. It hangs there forever, or for less than an instant, because in the nothing there is also no time. Time, distance, and direction have meaning only inside the bubble, and the bubble maintains the existence of these things only by an absolute separation of what is within from what is without. The bubble is its own universe. Outside the universe, there is nothing." - Star Wars: The New Jedi Order: Traitor

[@KashimoMakoya]

If it transcends Space, Time & Creation it should be OuterVersal, with the force further transcending HyperSpace.

[@SleepingSoulK]

@@KashimoMakoyaSo the afterlife in dbz then…? Since it transcends both space and time and is transcendental to dimensionality stated in guides that meets the outer requirements putting Goku above Vader, no?

[@KashimoMakoya]

@@SleepingSoulK does Goku transcend Life, Death & Reincarnation, no no he doesn’t not even Berus has as he can die, so even if they can go to & leave the afterlife at their leisure they haven’t transcended it.

[@willisstillhere8846]

@@KashimoMakoya This makes no sense. No one in Star Wars transcends life, death and reincarnation either.

[@KashimoMakoya]

@@willisstillhere8846 that’s not my point my point is, has Goku transcended the afterlife, and Technically Vitate did transcended all that as he didn’t die he was erased(last I checked anyway).

[@thebeatlesloveisallyouneed]

The Beatles could take both of them!

[@lucerojunior6644]

I have a theory that goes against 99,9999% of powerscalers. All times you see someone in DBZ... EVER destroy a moon or planet, specially casually. It has some perks. Or is a gag(DB) witch is ignored quickly on further episodes, or is a filler. Or has a curious fact. The closer to the planet the attack is released, the more effort it takes, the stronger the character has to be, and the more it take to work. Ki become stronger traveling in vacuum. It was even STATED when Goku and Bills fists collided, that the shockwave was growing stronger, and blowing up planets(while earth at point blank, was unscathed). If you use a "technique made to destroy planets" from long distance, disrupting the core to seal the deal. You can do it with 10,000bp(it was stated on oficial content). The closer to the world and the more generic the technique is, the stronger you have to be for it to work. Thats why friezar had trouble with namek(took more time than he expected). And why the punch shockwave from Goku/Bills, only had this power after cross half universe.

[@erops7933]

, Frieza destroyed earth in his golden form 1 shot while still on the planet

[@VunderGuy]

Marvel and DC have a higher claim to being the benchmark of scaling, even tho Dragon Ball is important in getting people in the hobby and japanese animation and comics are a pillar of the hobby.

[@mitchtherevolution]

Strong disagree! Most American superheroes are written by numerous different authors, with different visions over decades of development. Japanese Manga are typically written by a single author or a much smaller team, that maintain much more control on the scope of the characters and story. There are like 20 different versions of Superman, with radically different power levels. And some of those same versions were written by multiple authors who had wildly inconsistent feats and limitations. I don't think DragonBall is necessarily the gold standard for power scaling. It's definitely better to have 1 Goku, than 25 Superman, because even DragonBall has inconsistent powerscaling with one author. But characters in Japanese manga have much more cohesive power scaling than DC or Marvel. Just because of the way they are made.

[@KingoftheLions-z87]

Damn, the low ball on both is crazy😂

[@madstachoif5512]

Fr bro

[@spinjitzumasterfalcon]

The fact that Darth Vader can go toe-to-toe with DBZ characters is a feature on its own

[@LoneMyth]

Kid goku can literally solo the whole star wars franchise.

[@Brigjud13.bAdolfHiba]

Vader when he heard that the dragon ball can revive à person:💀💀🔥🤩

[@madstachoif5512]

The real question is which versions from which continuinities we’re using, I feel like Legends characters can take on the entirety of Dragon Ball Super because of the power system exceeding cardinals and all types of mathematics including irrational functions. Personally I would love to see a fight Between Ssj4 Xeno Goku (game lore) vs Dark Dimension Vader (Canon version).

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

I say it's Legends within the first 30 seconds of the video...

[@Pettam713]

You saying this means we xan use meta scaling for dbs, with outer goku, so don't bring up cardinals bro

[@madstachoif5512]

@@Pettam713 Probably, so we can use Crucible Luke or S.O.S Anakin aganist Composite Goku, basically like an Omniversal Battlefield

[@madstachoif5512]

@@CRISIS_COMICS Ik ik but there is like an entire iceberg of how deep Star Wars Cosmology goes so using different versions could spice things up.

[@Danilo-tk1tj]

​@@Pettam713goofy ahh inconsistent scaling

[@socialaccount0000]

Goku would use the Dragon Balls to restore Vader back to his pre-mustafar/un-injured self so Goku could fight him at his strongest 💀

[@ZorusSerif]

and would then let Vader get in the first hit 💀

[@TheInitiate]

I'm sorry but the power scaling for Dragon Ball is extremely wrong. Characters have already reached high transcendental levels of power (currently Goku is high outerversal). This is a no-contest, Darth Vader and Star Wars have no chance at all.

[@aguywithcommonsense1204]

Goku is not outer, the best you can get him is 4d to 5d power(low multi to low complex multi). Also vader probably stomps via haxs if using legands

[@TheInitiate]

@@aguywithcommonsense1204 Yes Goku is definitely high outerversal. Seems like you and a lot of people don’t know how to scale the Dragon Ball cosmology correctly

[@aguywithcommonsense1204]

@@TheInitiate do you have proof?

[@TheInitiate]

@@aguywithcommonsense1204 Yes the Daizenshuu which is the official guidebook of Dragon Ball.

[@fafmundo4449]

Fr fr

[@omariwashington2570]

Look if Vader was in the Saiyan Saga or before that then he would be a threat a threat that would be easily beaten by Devilman or, the evil containment wave or great ape, but yeah a threat

[@mitchtherevolution]

Vader couldn't win a single Tenkaichi.

[@FutureIndustrieseditz]

Vader could beat Early Goku via hax but Namek saga and beyond it wraps for poor Ani.🤣

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Did you watch the vid?

[@BCCSquidward]

@@CRISIS_COMICS Probably not lol. 💀

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@BCCSquidwardsmh

[@FutureIndustrieseditz]

​@@CRISIS_COMICSMy bad, I saw it just now and i stand corrected I never knew vader scaled that high, I was always aware of other siths within the universe being om par with Dragon ball characters but I never knew vader was one of them. I apologize for my ignorance Crisis.

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@FutureIndustrieseditzGood stuff! Glad you learned something and seemed to enjoy it 🤝

[@ACTS-1631]

Fantastic video, are you gonna make a aizen star wars gauntlet?

[@JadoBouhzam]

Nah i dont agree with vader beating goku even we argue goku and vader are in the same level of ap which they are arent goku should be scaled 6d via afterlife scans since the after life is stated to transcend dimension and u just said they are relative yet u forgot one thing goku by the ent of the tournament of power surpassed merved zamasu in base so and he has the 10000s to millions of multipliers on top of that so even if they are in the 5d ap for both goku is way deeper in those 5d realms of power so no vader doesnt beat goku

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

Did u watch the vid?

[@JadoBouhzam]

@@CRISIS_COMICS yeah watched

[@JadoBouhzam]

You said they need beerus or an angle to beat vader meaning goku won't be able to beat him

[@BCCSquidward]

​@@CRISIS_COMICS Fr, people don't even try to hear you out. 😂 They just see the thumbnail and go "WHAT?! Darth Vader VS Goku actually being close?! Nah, I don't think it's close so it can't be!" ☠️

[@CRISIS_COMICS]

@@JadoBouhzamTake a chill pill