Petty Woman Gets WAY TOO Emotional When She Can't Date OPs Character

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[@anniedarkheart5224]

Imagine thinking your sexual preferences are being invalidated because someone doesn't let you invalidate theirs.

[@quox3987]

Off topic but I like your pfp, Gravity Rush is super underrated.

[@lostbutfreesoul]

A frightening common way of thinking....

[@POCLEE]

In a TRPG, no less.

[@Ozymandias2x]

That's what it means to be an NPC. Loads of narcissism and a detachment from reality.

[@knightghaleon]

I know. The lack of self awareness is insane.

[@Mgauge]

As bad as this lady is, you can’t beat transforming into an eldritch horror for the most justified case of “it’s not you, it’s me” ever.

[@Bunthepariah]

This made me giggle harder than it should xD

[@risingphoenix9294]

Especially if it is in a children's card game

[@Caliballen22]

​@@risingphoenix9294card game?

[@HittaTheFlameCharmer]

​@@Caliballen22 yugioh can get wild man

[@SamuraiCypher]

@@risingphoenix9294children’s? Card game? Are you ok?

[@DerpsWithWolves]

"You can't have free will, it's MY free will that's more important!" Red flag so big it's the whole ship's sail.

[@drdino2002]

Huh, slavery in a nutshell.

[@anonguy772]

Oh do NOT mention ship to me right now, I just got back from that abomination of a campaign Don't know what I mean? Look up Airship Critcrab

[@cleareyezgamerfreak2706]

This situation is literally the meme "Why r u Gay!" but the opposite 😅 Sorseress:.....why r u not gay!!!! Warlock:.....but am not? Sor:......prove it!!!!! Warlock:.....(transform into chullu).....see Other players:........nope I've too much Hentai to know where this is going(staying away from the fight)

[@zibix4562]

with old world pirates, a crimson flag meant they would take no prisoners. The jolly roger(skull flag) showed they had an option of give up the loot(and get a choice to join the crew) or die

[@bulldozer8950]

“We are both equal. I’m just more equal”

[@jackmack4181]

I bet she became a joke afterwards facing another eldritch monster “Hey, look sorcerer! Another edritch horror, maybe this one will go on a date”

[@Kirikirikiru]

I’d love to see op reply with this happening, that’s amazing

[@alduinthetyrant5225]

I hope that happened. The party stands before balthrok: the writhing end. Everyone is nervous with the world hanging in the balance. As they harden their wills for the greatest challenge yet, the DM opens their mouth to speak-. "Sorcerer, roll for seduction".

[@shadowling77777]

Lmfao

[@Zephlos]

It would be justice if it did go down like that, but judging from the way the DM and OP reacted. Its more than likely she caught no shit for her shitty behavior.

[@northwind6199]

Pretty sure that didn't happen. I think caught this post on Reddit and unless I'm confusing it with others, IIRC she just lived happily ever after. Or sadly ever after, cause she got to kill the eldritch monster she was in love with and the whole relevant drama. I don't think anyone told her she was being extremely abusive.

[@NWolfsson]

"You're invalidating my sexuality!" She says, invalidating OP's character's asexuality.

[@NewWorldF00l]

But OP was willing to bang the noble.... Maybe she should have done what the Barabrian did and said that it was for the good of the party

[@mathisntmybestsubject8440]

@@NewWorldF00l - I think there’s a difference in being attracted to someone and being willing to bang them, when it comes to being asexual (though I could be wrong). From what I understand, if you’re not sexually attracted to anyone - male or female - then you’re textbook asexual. I think that if you’re not physically attracted to anyone and yet are willing to bang a target for the sake of your mission, you still count as that.

[@NewWorldF00l]

@@mathisntmybestsubject8440 Please dont make me think too hard about the sexuality of an eldritch god Cosplaying as a human chick to have a bunch of meatbags unlock his powers....

[@dungeonsanddragonshomebrew3165]

And OP’s

[@unoriginalcomment7502]

@@mathisntmybestsubject8440 You would be right. Ace people don't feel sexual attraction but you can be platonic or romantic and find someone aesthetically pleasing even if you aren't thisrty for them. It's about what you feel more than what you do.

[@ItsCamille735]

Okay but imagine if the player hadn’t been “That” chick. Having a character in unrequited love only for the object of their affections to be a manipulative monster. Could have been excellent drama.

[@landonsworld2784]

dope plot hook and the fact is it would make an opening for a tutor arc for love

[@omnical6135]

damn that is a dope plot hook

[@billyhaigh9274]

Pretty sure that's Sasuke an Sakura from Naruto 🤣

[@phatcavy98]

Even better. The chick ends up having a moral dilemma and decides to side with the entity. Now it's a level 20 and his sorceress thrall fighting the party and they have to determine if they save her, kill her, or banish her with the level 20.

[@whitelasagna6786]

In my game my (male) friend has an older halfling pining over my younger halfling. We're playing it as if my character is too dumb to catch on to that he has a cougar ready to pounce. He has far more experience with monster races than he does with other humanoids so romance doesn't come naturally to him. Plus he's dumb as bricks.

[@Paxchi]

I'm normally someone who believes that patience, understanding and compassion are core values needed to be a good person . . . but in this case I feel both OP and CritCrab are being far too gentle with the Problem Player. OP put up with way more than was necessary and CritCrab's biggest issue was the meta-gaming, when the meta-gaming was only a relatively small part of the problem. Let's flip some genders. OP is now female playing a Lovecraftian horror in a female body. PP is now male playing a male character. Let's even be generous and ignore the "erasing my sexuality" argument, which we'll get into later. You'd have an instance of the PP hitting on OP's character, being told no, and then the PP would continue to flirt and (I quote) "touch" OP's character. And then later get angry when OP's character was willing to use sex to get what they wanted, and demand to know why OP's character wouldn't just sleep with his character already. And when politely refused again, the PP blows up at the other player, does a 180 on their previous attitude, and actively tries to murder OP. If this were a male player and character doing this to a female player and character, the male player would be called an entitled basement dwelling neckbeard who sexually harassed OP in character (all of the constant touching and unwanted sexual advances), and who then tried to murder them when they couldn't get what they wanted. Yet she's treated much less harshly by OP and Critcrab, despite the incredible levels of entitlement, hostility and possessiveness she showed. That kind of behavior needs to be called out regardless of the sex or orientation of the perpetrator, because if it doesn't that behavior has no chance of being corrected. The "erasing my sexuality" is especially bad on multiple levels. "This is a fantasy world, sexuality doesn't exist" would only work if that were the rules of a specific fantasy setting. The fact that the world is imaginary doesn't automatically mean everyone is suddenly pansexual and will simply sleep with whomever. And the hypocrisy of saying "you're erasing my sexuality" while demanding another player conform to your wishes is just staggering. It's actively trying to remove someone else's agency while complaining that they're the ones being oppressed. To paraphrase an old saying (with an admittedly VERY uncomfortable origin) "The hypocrite cries out in pain as they strike you". The metagaming aspect is one of the least egregious aspects of this entire post. The DM handled it well for someone who had only just started, but the "Answer me or I attack" should have been nipped in the bud with "No, you don't. Your character believes them. Knock it off". And again, it only got this far because neither the OP or DM called the PP out on her behavior. OP just put up with the PP's possessiveness and entitlement when it should have been brought to the DM, who should have told her to knock it off. She literally called OP's character (and possibly by extension, OP) a bigot, and OP just dealt with it. And based on the update I read, the PP wasn't kicked out the group or even really reprimanded or anything. She got to continue playing, even got to kill OP's monster while having this big emotional moment about how she still loved OP's Cthuloid monster. So to recap, the PP claimed to be a victim while demanding another player change their character to suit the PP's desires, got offended when OP decided to play the character he created the way he wanted, accused OP of bigotry, tried to kill OP's character without any justification and received no punishment for it. That's entitlement.

[@TaoScribble]

How do I like this comment more than once?

[@Kurogane893]

You know... that's actually a good point. I had a problem with the whole "erasing sexuality" thing and hypocrite thing but I never bothered to think deeper than that.

[@TheSleepyRanger]

Hit the nail on the head

[@thevoidismyhome7242]

I agree with you whole-heartedly. If the genders were reversed, the situation would have been treated much differently. And the "trying to force a character into a sexuality while claiming you're the oppressed one" is such a bass-ackwards argument. I don't understand people who cry victim while doing the shit they claim they have done to them that makes them oppressed. Hating any sexuality/race/gender is wrong, no matter which side history has fallen on them. Any kind of bigotry is bigotry, any kind of hate is hate, any kind of oppression is oppression. End of story. (Don't oppress people just because they don't fit your idea of a good/perfect person. People are people. Different minds, different lives, different values, but all people underneath. Same genome, same blood and skin and bone. )

[@chJohnJobs]

Here on Jeopardy, We have the double standard....Erm, Double points round. All joking aside i agree with post

[@petrusspinelli6661]

"its fantasy, there is no sexuality" _oh boy... where do i begin with this..._

[@xandan1668]

Start at the beginning and work your way down.

[@ckillgore]

Right? Like I'm trying to come up with an intelligent response, but there's just so much wrong with this. A lot of it has already been said, but jeez louis that's a yikes moment.

[@bugslayerprime7674]

How about " if there's no sexuality, then you won't mind our characters not having sex..." :P

[@DarthABBA]

When I DM I refuse to DM romantic anything (especially sexual) I won't do that. It's awkward and uncomfortable. So far no one has bothered me about that. But I have no manners and would tell them to get the hell out of my house.

[@angrytheclown801]

"It's fantasy, there is no sexuality." *The Bard has left the chat.*

[@millennialboomer6780]

"Sexuality doesn't exist in DnD!" "You're invalidating my sexuality!" That's some Schrödinger-level bullshit right there

[@dantefitzgerald2463]

Schrödinger’s LGBTQ

[@k.v.7681]

@@dantefitzgerald2463 Can the eldritch creature be in and out of the closet at the same time?

[@ahumanoidtroodon1074]

Duality of man

[@Snakeofwrath]

"Sexuality doesn't exist in DnD" Meanwhile my yuan-ti pureblood ranger is a gay man lol

[@nickybeingnicky]

@@k.v.7681 Schrödinger's closet.

[@landonmackey1091]

Imagine calling someone a bigot for not wanting to play out a lesbian fantasy while giving no regards to their consent whatsoever

[@portalenkrigare6356]

If I were that guy, I would’ve said “She’s asexual, and aromantic. She’s not interested in anything like that.” And if the sorceress still was like “well, you’re invalidating my sexuality,” then I’d say the same thing back, “we’ll you’re invalidating HER sexuality”

[@portalenkrigare6356]

*well (stupid autocorrect)

[@zar1536]

@@portalenkrigare6356 you know you can edit the post right?

[@bretsheeley4034]

"Maybe my character just isn't into women." "INVALID!" "Okay, maybe my character just isn't into your character." "INVALID!" "Okay, maybe my character's player just thinks that your character's player is psychotic twat." (There's a reason I wouldn't do well as a negotiator.)

[@omnical6135]

"okay, maybe my character is secretly an emotionless Cthulhu monster" "INVALID!"

[@InviWasTaken]

@@omnical6135 that, but play it so straight they can't tell if you're joking or not

[@kirkfogg8366]

Ok... But in return I for agreeing with you I need one hostage.

[@raistlarn]

Op: "Maybemy character is secretly a blood sucking nightmare from a different dimension." Other player: *starts thinking of hunky vampires* Invalid

[@FleshCavern]

I dunno seems sound to me

[@hrolfbjornson6666]

Even if it is a fantasy setting it doesn't automatically mean every character is open to sleeping with the same sex. I have never understood where some people get off claiming that everyone should be open to such things. I'm bisexual, I am open to such things, but if a straight character has no interest in my rogue then guess what? I don't push the issue. It's called being respectful and calling someone a bigot for not wanting to eat the clam pie is not only gross but it makes others in the LGBT community look bad.

[@hrolfbjornson6666]

@ALSO-RAN ! I often call people like the person in the vid "performative gay" because most of the time they are just pretending so they can feel special anyway.

[@bainbonic]

For me, my characters' sexuality is always something I think about quite a bit because it's a core part of anyone's identity.

[@cielopachirisu929]

I’ll be honest, it kind of annoyed me when a lot of fantasy/sci-fi settings stopped making characters explicitly straight or bi/gay/etc and then just started having everyone sleep with everyone. It takes a lot out of the character. Sexuality is a huge part of some people.

[@hrolfbjornson6666]

@@bainbonic I don't think its central to identity but it certainly is something that we all think about.

[@AllenTax]

In & out of character. She can't play fair, lets her emotions dicktate her actions,understand EVERYONES posistion. Letting them be to who their character is. No one should bend to anothers character wims. She is acting like a controlling,manipulative bee. Need to swat her or RAID -X her.

[@shady4546]

Explain to me how you can invalidate someone's sexuality by saying "Look, I am not into you." They didn't say "Gay people don't exist," he didn't say "You're not gay." Not "It's wrong to be gay." Just, "Character isn't interested in a relationship with yours, they aren't going to sleep with your character."

[@thesaddestdude3575]

Yeah its fricked

[@WorldWalker128]

This is what happens when a spoiled brat is also stupid.

[@theamazingj7007]

In the great words of someone who explains history: "because that's not how victim mentality works!"

[@totallyrealname6376]

Two years ago was a wild time apparently

[@SirFailsalot91]

"You're invalidating my character's sexuality by not being gay with them, so I'll invalidate your character's potential sexuality and demand to date them!" Such perfectly sane and logical behaviour.

[@goncalocarneiro3043]

Today on this person's mind: "There is no such thing as a non-bisexual person, only bigots."

[@Robin93k]

According to this Bisexual there are only Bi types of people: -Bisexuals -Bigots

[@mckaygoodman6514]

She just couldn't seem to let BIgones be BIgones

[@reptilprinceoflizardpeople5797]

@@mckaygoodman6514 **rimshot**

[@FaolanHart]

I remember arguing with religious people over homosexuality not being a choice. Now certain people within the LGBT hold basically the same mindset as those religious people. Humans don't learn, we just change targets.

[@goncalocarneiro3043]

​@@FaolanHart I agree unfortunately... Tolerance is it's own greatest enemy, and as long as humans remain divided chaos will always be a thing. Evolution can't help us because it takes too long and it's not like most people have babies with "making the strongest baby in the world" anyways. So no matter what we cannot flee from cultist behavior and cicles of abuse and insanity. All we have is ourselves and the hope that people as a whole don't degenerate to the point in which Democracy becomes an enemy of reason. invest in education, folks...

[@hescrem9316]

Bi person here, this girls crazy. Any sane person would know that being one sexuality?? Doesnt invalidate another??

[@omnical6135]

i think they were just mad about being rejected and handled it very poorly

[@arellajardin8188]

Pretty much. I’m a lesbian, and old enough to have gone through several decades of activism. And a core tenet is that you don’t get to dictate someone else’s sexuality. You don’t want it done to you, you don’t do it to others. Simple. But yes, this sounds like a knee-jerk reaction to being rejected, and investing too heavily in a one sided ship.

[@corberus3119]

@@arellajardin8188 I wish the current generation thought more like that.

[@Zephlos]

I mean I agree with you, but you realize the whole "if you dont date me youre a bigot" thing is actually something that is being pushed in/by sectors of the LGBT community? I hope its the kind of thing that others with the group will call out but i havent seen much pushback from people against that attitude.

[@Zephlos]

@@fruit3626 You are both right and wrong. Yes there are "people who just cant handle rejection" which is sad but expected. However the point where you are wrong is they do not have a voice, no one listens to incels, hell the term is as far as i know also used as a means of dismissing someone and removing any value from whatever they said. However the "you're a bigot if you dont date me" crowd within the LGBT groups has a platform and a voice, can not be dismissed offhand by simply calling them a name(as that is a violation of laws/TOS in most places IRL and online respectively) These are people who get on the front page of youtube, get to write their own articles for news sites like buzzfeed and vanity fair and anyone who argues against the points made is a "Xphobe" or "bigot" simply because they disagree. I do not condone any of group that seeks to force people to date or have relations of ANY kind. Be that incels LGBTs or whatever. That said, you could always do a quick search on this platform and easily confirm the ratio of LGBT to incels implying that only their sexual preference matters and anyone who refuses them is a bigot. I think youd be surprised... and disappointed. Regardless my argument was that this exist within the LGBT community and that I have seen very little pushback. Your argument seems to be something along the lines of "other groups do it too so its normal (ok?). With the secondary argument that "they will get pushback if they go to far" I see no point in discussing the first part of your argument farther. However if you have reason to believe that there is pushback against such attitudes within the LGBT community I would be interested in your reasoning.

[@Calebgoblin]

At least she didn't try to seduce the DM as a cat IRL this time Jokes aside though, this does brush close to sexual harassment territory

[@MrBizteck]

Me..ow....I 😂

[@ladyvictoria820]

Yeah it does. Yikes.

[@hellhog7368]

oh god i remembered that story

[@nekoali2]

That's... not what sexual harassment means. At all. The player flew off the handle and was unreasonable when told that the OP's character just wasn't into her character like that. She took in game rejection as a rejection of her own person. Something she should probably talk about, but out of character. The only thing that comes close in the story is when the OP said that her character tried to kiss the OP's character. Which depending on how it played out in game could be close to the mark of sexual harassment, but we don't have details of that, and the OP didn't make it sound like she was forcing the issue.

[@TricksterModeEngaged]

yeah, really not cool behaviour

[@Raptorworld22]

"If you're character isn't attracted to both genders then you are invalidating my existence as a bisexual" Asexuals: 👁👄👁

[@Raptorworld22]

@Nobody r/woooosh, I was very clearly making a joke

[@Raptorworld22]

@Nobody For future reference; Best to let jokes be jokes unless you've actually got a joke to add on.

[@GlizzyGoblin757]

asexual isnt real lmao just grow up

[@starramazing9646]

@@GlizzyGoblin757 so people who doesn't want to fuck man or woman isn't real?

[@Raptorworld22]

@@GlizzyGoblin757 Straight aint real either lmao, just grow up and be bi like everyone else, kappa

[@megaman37456]

Moral of the story: Don't give in to people who try to force their sexuality onto yourself or others and if they try to cause drama within your friends circle, expose the shit out of them.

[@madamefluffy4788]

'I'm bisexual! You're invalidating my sexuality by not having lesbian sex with my character!' And she's not invalidating the other player sexuality by trying to guilt/force them into a relationship that they have no interest in partaking in? Yeah - that's fair. (what a raging hypocrite. Can't stand that double standard nonsense!)

[@pulsefel9210]

and when called out they always try to defend their actions by saying they are only doing whats been done. isnt being the better person the friendlier action?

[@marker9196]

Not to mention that earlier in the conversation they literally invalidate their own sexuality by saying, I quote, 'it's fantasy, sexuality doesn't exist'.

[@Onnarashi]

It's called female privilege. Do as I say, not as I do. Some women think they get to dictate these things, but they'd be horrifed if a man behaved in the same way. Imagine a lesbian woman playing a lesbian character, and a straight man playing a straight male character gets upset her lesbian character won't sleep with his male character.

[@pulsefel9210]

@@Onnarashi better to call it the snowflake privilege, its not just women who have that issue.

[@lonerevenant0]

it's literal rape and sexual harassment, it's been slowly being normalized in the LGBT communities.Many in the community are being guilted and pressured with the fear of being called a bigot or a phobe if they do not date someone. Was happening a few times with some Lesbians and Trans people. MtF Trans trying to date Lesbian women and calling them bigots if they do not date them ect ect. Doesn't happen often but it's been a growing problem from what i've noticed. Plenty of straight people are being pressured into being bi for fear of being called bigoted, it's very sad tbh. Again it's not common but the fact that it happens is sad lol. "You must abide my fantasy or you're the bad person" Literal abuse. I get this is a fictional setting but it's still creepy that the chick thought this was okay.

[@kittyelf1485]

Step 1- DM and OP should’ve talked to the sorceress’ player out of game, letting her know her actions weren’t acceptable, and way before she tried to get into the “warlock’s” pants Step 2- DM should’ve warned her to knock it off or she’d get booted Step 3- actually boot her for inappropriate behavior It should never have gotten farther than “my character isn’t interested, sorry” and how in the name of crab was that invalidating the sorceress player’s sexuality? By that logic, she was also invalidating the “warlock” player’s because he didn’t want or feel the need for their characters to go at it like rabbits.

[@lucykitsune4619]

Well tbf the warlock friendzoned the sorceress, not flat out told her she wasn't interested. I mean friendzoning is what you do when you're not interested, but the person is too nice to be brutally shot down, but still.

[@lazyspade1559]

For step one and step three I think I think that’s mostly dependent on the type of table you have and everyone preference. From what OP her character trying to “get in the warlocks pants” didn’t seem to be the problem and I assume she wasn’t being overtly or overly or people would’ve called it out earlier or he would’ve said so. I think if she wanted a Romance with their characters she should’ve asked out of game. The problem was she took it too personally.

[@lilchristuten7568]

Trying to get into the OP's PC's pants was perfectly acceptable though, there was no discussion about it not being allowed. The complete heel turn of her character is another story (since it make no sense in character).

[@viperblitz11]

The problems only happened when she took her character's desires out of game, and began hardcore metagaming. That particular group didn't consider the regular flirting and pestering controversial or disruptive. And it looks like it hit the fan over one session, so not much downtime to defuse a situation.

[@1Caja]

"Invalidating" his sexual preference is okay in the current *crazy* timeline since heterosexuality is way below homosexuality in the victim rankings. Do I believe that shit? No she was a clear hypocrite but people like her think like that. I would categorize her as one of the crazies (Intersectionality and whatever it's called nowadays. I do *not* mean gays and lesbians. I know a few - well two one bi and one gay - and they hate the crazies as much as every other normal thinking person) If there is one thing I learned by torturing myself with 3rd wave feminism and what has evolved from that since 2015 is that there is no logic with these people only them being the victim and insulting people as bigots, racists, sexists and every -ist under the sun to get their way or try it as long as neccessary. If you meet one: *turn around and just leave*

[@camdanebbett-urquhart9443]

Tbh I would have kicked the sorceress from my table after that thats a level of hostility that I don't tolerate and its disgusting to try and force something on another players character without there consent its creepy

[@Macrochenia]

I've been in games where people have been kicked from the table for pulling stuff like that. And also ones where players got kicked for trying to force their weird, creepy fetishes on the rest of the party

[@williamlee7482]

I don't do romance in my games nor does sexuality come into play either because those things sometimes cause problems between players and in a game where the characters are slaying monsters , solving puzzles and saving townsfolk from certain doom there isn't really a place for either execpt in very minor cases

[@ZephariusBe]

@@williamlee7482 The romance subplot in the game I'm playing now very much foes have a place in the game as it influences a lot of the decisions both of our characters are making, for better or for worse. However, we both discussed the romantic subplot at the very beginning of the campaign, so we're both aware that the characters are slowly falling for each other and will eventually end up together (if my stupid ass orc doesn't die first lol)

[@williamlee7482]

@@ZephariusBe That's fine if you and the other players and DM want something like that in your game but my games tend to keep romance in the background . My games are all about exploration , delving into dungeons and solving problems and other things of that nature . There's no time in my games for romance to be played out especially between players because it takes away from everyone else

[@JP-eh4ee]

The bisexual sorceress character doesn't realize she's acting like an actual bigot.

[@mathisntmybestsubject8440]

They usually don’t.

[@Duke00x]

She is acting like modern LGTB+ activists (especially the T and + activists).

[@no3ironman11100]

@@Duke00x and lemme guess, you just are "not too fond of trans people" PCMites lool

[@DaWoWzer]

they see it as acceptable because they see their stance as morally superior.

[@aerynh6116]

Warlock & Sorceress: *Fighting * Rest of the party: * looking back & forth while watching * Warlock: *transforms into Cthulu * Rest of the party: *concerned tom face *

[@bjrnarvikene2460]

Party's faces be like😲

[@tatters8236]

Speaking as a bisexual who's had people try to convince me I'm straight before, this is NOT something that invalidates the sexuality. Telling a bi person that the fictional character you're piloting is either straight or asexual is not the same thing as telling a bi person they're actually straight just because they hadn't been in a same sex relationship yet.

[@lucykitsune4619]

Bisexual people are valid. Straight or gay people telling bi people they're straight or gay are not. And neither are bi people telling straight or gay people they're bi.

[@ladyvictoria820]

Amen!

[@ladyvictoria820]

@@lucykitsune4619 preach!

[@thesaddestdude3575]

@@lucykitsune4619 Its actually funny you can prove using science that almost everyone is a little bi and its kind of on a scale.

[@mikbdee2186]

Hears this one before and it still annoys me. That thing about "invalidating" her sexuality was so hypocritical. Some people are in fact just straight. Its great to be inclusive but that includes everyone. Also the fact that she tried to shame OP into it. This girl had issues.

[@cecejamesable]

The girl needs get her head out of her snatch, like dammit, if you want someone to respect your sexuality you need to return the favor.

[@Mokiefraggle]

@Tony catt According to a later update to the original reddit post, he was *engaged* at the time, so most likely straight, and probably made even *more* uncomfortable by this girl as a result.

[@blackfang0815]

To make it even better, the Warlock technically would have been Ace, so PP is trying to call someone a bigot against the LGBT community... for being a different part of the community.

[@shadowling77777]

Heard*

[@mikbdee2186]

@@shadowling77777 I said what I said. It must now stand.

[@djn6962]

That's why I always play extremely low int, low cha goblins. No one hits on low int, low cha goblins...

[@meltinggoo3272]

Except other goblins...

[@djn6962]

@@meltinggoo3272 yeah, but the goblins short lifespan makes them much more likely to be a committed, ”lifelong” partner

[@seabass819]

My low int, low cha bugbear loves hitting on low int, low cha goblins. They make a satisfying crunch noise.

[@darkon4442]

jokes on you, I'm into that shit

[@XMaster340]

@@darkon4442 I'm not even sure wether you replyed to OP or Lex Vanguard. Both would be hilarious and concerning at the same time 😂

[@Flatfootsy]

Honestly, If I were the DM, after the Sorceress didn't accept the result of her Insight check, i'd have just played out a moment for the Warlock like "Sorceress, you notice the more you press on the matter you begin to see less and less until you appear to be sitting in a cloud of dense fog." All while having the Warlock just standing there, and if the Sorceress kept asking questions i'd just made the Sorceress outright die. Honestly, bad behavior after like 3 redeeming chances to knock off attitude? Your characters out.

[@Drakon_Minaka]

I'm no gonna lie, I was expecting you to give them their own domain of dread when you brought up the fog, lmao.

[@picklesthewise]

Every time I hear one of these "Everyone's a little bit bi" girls, I get super annoyed. I'm bisexual and I still understand what consent is, and people like her are what make the rest of us look bad to everyone else.

[@Mitsurugi2424]

They should have just called the session earlier, and the DM have a talk with the player about acting right. I also agree that the DM should have just shut her down when she failed the check.

[@Kartoffelkamm]

Yeah, just a firm "No meta-gaming at my table. Your character is fully convinced the Warlock is telling the truth. End of discussion."

[@Kartoffelkamm]

@Coolostomy Yeah, but the underlying issue here was that the girl was unable to disconnect from her character. She knew that the Warlock was lying, but the Warlock passed his deception check against her character, who failed her insight check. Simply put, the character didn't realize the Warlock was lying. For example, imagine a law student, or a lawyer, playing in a modern setting pretty similar to the real world, but with fantasy elements woven in. The lawyer plays a fighter, and his character has an abysmal knowledge of the law. Therefore, the lawyer shouldn't be allowed to use their knowledge of the law in the game, because their character couldn't know this sort of thing based on their stats. It would break the immersion and take the other players out of the game, and the same happened with that insight check. In the game, when you're playing your character, it doesn't matter what you know, because your character has their own skills, abilities and so on. And if your character fails to realize that someone is lying to them, it doesn't matter if you know they're lying. Your character still believes it, and you should play them accordingly.

[@jman51220]

@Coolostomy where did you get that the warlock used mind control he used deception and rolled really high showing no signs of lying to the insight check that the sorcerer made. Since the insight check was lower then the deception check there was no reason for the sorcerer to no believe what the warlock was saying other the player metagaming. Yes the sorcerer did know that the warlock casted the spell that they shouldn't have been able to cast but there are many valid reason in game for that to happen depending on the DM rules no mind control was ever used

[@jman51220]

@Coolostomy"Your Wisdom (Insight) check decides whether you can determine the true intentions of a creature, such as when searching out a lie or predicting someone’s next move. Doing so involves gleaning clues from body language, speech habits, and changes in mannerisms." DnD beyond "Your Charisma (Deception) check determines whether you can convincingly hide the truth, either verbally or through your actions. This deception can encompass everything from misleading others through ambiguity to telling outright lies. Typical situations include trying to fast-talk a guard, con a merchant, earn money through gambling, pass yourself off in a disguise, dull someone's suspicions with false assurances, or maintain a straight face while telling a blatant lie." DnD Beyond This is how those ability checks work its not mind control just like a person in real life being good at lying to the point people believe them isn't mind control

[@jman51220]

@Coolostomy thats not how that works or what im implying she knew the warlock casted a spell that they normally weren't able to so nothing about that changed what the deception check was is how the warlock knew how they were able to do it in the first place that is what they lied about and that is the thing that the sorcerer wasn't able to pick up on but preceded to not care about the roll and at that point metagame at that point even after the DM ruled that she had no idea how the warlock casted that spell there is no mind control going on that is somthing you made up and the end pard about the bard being a D20 away from doing what ever he wants to you is also wrong and not how that game works

[@DatMuffin]

If that were my game, I would have definitely called out the Player Knowledge vs Character Knowledge aspect of the game. Because even without the context given beforehand on why Sorceress was openly hostile, it's still a red flag. After all, Sorceress was basically told, "You think her excuse was pretty legit." Yet she continued to press the issue to the point of metagaming. I personally would have called for a quick pause and have a chat with said player about it.

[@AzureKyle]

Exactly. "You believe what she is saying" followed by "Tell the truth or die!" Like seriously. You believe she is telling the truth.

[@namkha209]

Sometimes, you need a backhand and some very strong vocal cords

[@siegwardinspirit]

@@namkha209 I know you meant something different, but i just imagined someone someone smacking the crazy lass and breaking out into song as if they're in Phantom of the Opera. Though if there's a shouting match, I bet unwarranted singing would definitely get someone to shut up. I rest my case my deed is done the defendant has fucking won.

[@WebSpyder777]

Exactly. The problem player elected to completely disregard her own failed intuition roll. The only cheating that was going on was right there.

[@anarchylove92]

Me as a DM, I'd tell her to cool it or your out. Not only was she heavily meta gaming, but she was also serially harassing a player for essentially saying no to her.

[@omnical6135]

say it with me: "no means no"

[@TheLikenessOfNormal]

Yeah the group my brother played 3.5 with would've never accepted that level of meta. Like, not even knowing that goblins/trolls and fire don't get along because that was knowledge I had as a player, nothing I learned in character. She'd do really bad in this other game I'm playing with a cognitohazardous virus, that when your infected alters your characters opinions and whatnot. Its a fun challenge.

[@namAehT]

I actually don't think the DM handled it well when she pulled out the handbook. I think the DM should have simply said "[PLAYER] vetted everything with me, he's not cheating" No subtle hints about the character hiding things, no clues as to why, nothing. When she asked in game the DM shouldn't have allowed it to go past the insight check, the way the system works her character would be thoroughly convinced (especially with 7 vs 20+).

[@fahrian23]

"you are invalidating my bisexuality!" bro, do you not see that, by that logic, you would be invalidating his sexuality by forcing his character to be with yours?

[@johnkiezulas7439]

I don't condone her reaction to OP turning down a relationship, but just imagine if OP had decided to play along with the relationship for a while. The warlock shows her true form and when the sorceress asks about the love they share she just says "Mortals like you are easy to manipulate. That bond we shared was all in your head.". Just a thought.

[@jamesmoniz5263]

I kinda had the same thought. Would an eldritch entity care about physical affection? Especially if its already using the party for its own ends. You'd imagine it'd play along, maybe let some lines slip showing it doesn't really care here and there, but that it'd try to be manipulative to the best of its abilities. Thought tbh I wouldn't do that irl, I'd be to uncomfortable with someone at the table trying to court the character Im representing. As cool as the stories you can make are, people out of game comfort levels are worlds more important

[@Tignya]

Saying someone is a bigot for thinking their characters have non LGBT preferences makes me pissed as an ace person. I usually make my characters with no preferences!

[@siegwardinspirit]

Should've called the guards on the sorcerer for sexual harrassment lmao.

[@majormonogram9157]

Hello fellow ace! I sometimes wish I could get a group of all ace RPGers to play with. Every group I've played in has had multiple romances with multiple characters and usually at least one person will go after my character even when I've played and adolescent! Every time I turn them down it's gotten weird or hostile afterwards. And on the few times I've disclosed that I'm ace to try and smooth things over they seemed to take it personally. I've started making characters that people would never want to start fantasy romances with (cow centaurs, a de-shelled tortle covered in open sores, a changeling with tiny tentacles growing all over them, weird stuff).

[@Tignya]

@@majormonogram9157 I've only started the beginning of this year so unfortunately I haven't played too much, but I'm really thankful that I haven't had to deal with that! It's only difficult for me as some people have accused me of "faking" because I still laugh at and make dirty jokes. Thankfully I've never had anyone hit on my characters, so I really hope you'll be able to find a good group that accepts you as you and same to your characters!

[@majormonogram9157]

@@Tignya lol thanks! I'm sure I will

[@elisac9635]

Fellow ace here. The problem in my opinion is not just that she thought everyone in the game should be somewhat LGBT+, but that she thinks being attracted to women means being attracted to ALL women. She did not contemplate the idea that a no is a no, sexual orientation aside, and maybe that person might just not be into her as an individual... which to me is the kind of behaviour that reeks of narcissism and an abusive personality

[@DrakeDraco2000]

"Your character is a bigot." Or maybe his character is asexual and you're invalidating *their* identity by claiming everyone *must* be bisexual, ever think of that? It actually makes the character seem like a predatory creep for not taking "no" for an answer, and for simply assuming being clingy was the same as quality time or mutual feelings. Speaking as a gay man, it sounds like this person was trying to use their sexuality as a shield, which really makes us look bad; if I hit on a straight guy and he tells me he's straight, that's not bigotry, that's just incompatibility, and it's as valid as me hitting on another gay/bi guy and him telling me he's not interested. "I'm bisexual" doesn't mean "everyone must lust for me", and acting under that assumption plays into harmful stereotypes about bisexuals in the real world.

[@SuiteAces]

As a panromantic ace I just want to say thank you. It's people like you that make me feel welcome in the lgbtqia+ community. I came out pretty late in life due to not knowing asexuality was a valid orientation. I always was an ace, I just was a bit dense... Again, from the bottom of my ace heart thank you! 🏳️‍🌈

[@H240909]

I’m nitpicking here, but OP’s character offered to sleep with a guy. So I don’t see the “my character is asexual” angle working here. Especially not with someone as illogical as, who I’m going to refer to as, “bisexual Karen”.

[@SushiBagelz]

@@H240909 nitpicking a little myself. The person was playing the character in order to help the party, and had no emotional attachment to the act of sex or was sexually attracted to the person they were sleeping with, so it didn't fully communicate the warlock's attraction. In other words, ace people can also say "20 dollars is 20 dollars." I'm saying this as someone who's ace, even if I myself would not do that.

[@SushiBagelz]

@@H240909 also to clarify the bi person in this horror story is an absolute nightmare, and we don't claim her. Would have loved the character dynamics between the deadpan elder god and the pining sorceress if the player herself wasn't so creepy though.

[@Corviidei]

@@H240909 basically what sushi is saying is that asexuality is about attraction, not action.

[@deathseraph3]

She wasn't just petty, she seemed real entitled too. Calling someone a bigot for not doing what you wanted them to do is just dumb and claiming they are invalidating your sexuality over a game just makes no damn sense to me.

[@rileystar2245]

To the problem player of this story I say, “Actually, PCs CAN have specific sexual preferences in D&D. It happens all the time. Also, someone not being bisexual is not them insulting you for being bisexual, it’s them having a different sexuality then you. You not respecting that they r not bisexual actually makes u the prejudice one.”

[@windowssonic5953]

If someone turning you down is "invalidating your sexuality," it's not your sexuality that's the problem, you're just manipulative and abusive.

[@novadselir1068]

Poor poor forever DM, finally having a chance to play as a player only to find this obsessive nutcase waiting to ruin your fun.

[@novadselir1068]

@Naukumaija Mau-mau true he had fun but his experience shouldn't have been tainted by this player.

[@theasinclaire52]

"If you won't date me you're a bigot!" Sounds like gaslighting.

[@KentaroMiyamoto21]

It basically is.

[@Getreidekeks]

@@KentaroMiyamoto21 no it isn't I swear to god you guys need to learn what words mean before throwing them around. Yes it's a shit move, yes it's manipulative but no it's not automatically gaslighting

[@lukedeakin7124]

@@KentaroMiyamoto21 gaslighting is making them start thinking they are going insane

[@stevenschnepp576]

@@lukedeakin7124 No. Gaslighting is denying something that happened by convincing the target that something else happened. It's not making someone question their sanity (though that happens), it's making someone question reality.

[@lukedeakin7124]

@@stevenschnepp576 ah sorry, thanks for the correction, this still isn't gaslighting, but is still a jerk move

[@billmelater6470]

"Sexuality doesn't exist". "You're a bigot if you dont do it my way". Sorry, you can't have both.

[@thatguybrody4819]

logic is a hate crime. off to inclusivity gulag.

[@braxtonwalden8365]

When someone fails an insight check, I don’t say “You believe them” or “They are lying” or anything in between that. It kinda causes issues with separating player and character, so I simply say “It’s hard to tell”

[@ccaagg]

Try rolling behind the screen so slight false inferences can be made if you fail an insight check.

[@sirscribble6808]

OP should have had their Warlock be very confused by the idea of physical intimacy. Sorcerer: "Hey OP, wanna go into the back and do something dirty?" OP: "I don't like dirt."

[@pandoratheclay]

*casts mold earth* “Why would I have to go to the back for that?”

[@TheRuneTail]

I feel sorry that the Paladin missed all that

[@mindlessscientist3772]

So this girl did and said a lot of stupid stuff, but what was that about "this is fantasy, sexuality doesn't exist!" Does she think that just, everyone would be bi in any fantasy world? How does that make sense? How does she think sexuality works?

[@theomegajuice8660]

I think the charitable interpretation is she meant that "it's a fantasy so you don't have to create boundaries to characters sexuality if you don't want to" Not that it matters what that meant since it was just a whiny temper tantrum about not getting her own way.

[@jackforbes5756]

I’ve been binge watching recently so u can become a great DM and what to not do, it’s really helped! Thank you for making these videos!

[@JD-mh8be]

Most of it is really common sense but this is great for learning to be a good dm ya know

[@jackforbes5756]

@@JD-mh8be thanks, I’m introducing the BBEG soon and I can’t wait

[@dq4331]

How about, "I'm not interested in roleplaying that with you or engaging with those themes at the table. Consent matters and you should have discussed this with me beforehand." That said, the GM should have shut the sorceress' player down out of the gate and enforced both etiquette and boundaries.

[@SethUnwell]

Honestly, if anyone tries to force themselves on my character, I always ask: "So... You're trying to R*pe/SA them? If you are, say so and we can fight because they're not going down without protecting themselves." That usually makes the offending idiot as quiet as a mouse and they choose to drop my PC from their love interest list without a fight. If they start to protest with "you got it all wrong" I follow up with: "Then why are you trying to force yourself upon an unconsenting person?" And if even that doesn't work I loudly proclaim that they are assexual (which all of my PCs are, I HATE sex and make it abundantly clear and won't RP it nor allow a PC to do that to ANY of my PCs) and tell them that what they're doing is making my PC very uncomfortable, scared and disgusted, and tell them that they are going to start distrusting the offending PC and refuse to cooperate with them if the offense continues. I must say that this exchange only happens if the offending PC is being disrespectful and gross towards my PCs, it doesn't matter if they're male, female or have a specific romantic orientation. I. Don't. Care. Be civil and stop being a creep.

[@Tonz_of_Fun]

I don't care if you can't disconnect from your character; please don't force your ideals on people in-game or IRL. It was very hypocritical of her to talk about it being a fantasy game with no borders to then call someone a bigot for not wanting to to hook up with their character. The warlock could be into centaurs and yuan-ti and not traditional humanoids.

[@SpinCityDemon]

*The viewer responds to the quite humorous description before proceeding to listen to the tale at hand*

[@chosenofkhorne2951]

Welco to 2020 the world of hell

[@burritodoggo122]

Dangit, I made the same joke

[@SpinCityDemon]

@@burritodoggo122 All good. :)

[@Screamingmanta]

As a GM, whenever a player offers an ultimatum like she did I simply ask: "Why?" If they cannot explain their reasoning in a satisfactory manner I simply wont allow the action. This may not work for every group, but on the rare occasion this happens my players always realize they let their temper get the best of them and the action would not make sense given their character's established personality.

[@ktbaduk]

"You can't have your own preference neither can your character in a table top if it's not one that doesn't specifically validate my preference" LMAO

[@toni8208]

I feel like OP could just had say that he's character is asexsuel would probably end the conversation with the other player

[@WolforNuva]

This is what I was thinking. It would be a great misleading truth too; they don't have any emotional attachment to sex, which is why they didn't have any concerns with sleeping with the random lord, but they also refuse to pair with the Sorceress because they don't want to ruin their relationship with her (not until they unseal their true power, muhahaha). If the Sorceress' player still wants to be stubborn about it, the player could have also asked her not to invalidate his character's sexuality.

[@shadowofthehitokiri5787]

Yeah.

[@ebonshade]

Possibly, possibly not, some people do not want to take no for an answer.

Tru. Nowadays if ur not an alphabet person ur sus

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

Probably not. This girl sounded like some one who has never been told no successfully before. No argument would have convinced her she was not right.

[@karsonkammerzell6955]

I came out of this with only one question: How's the paladin doing? At a minimum I'm seeing a month of time being laid out by pneumonia. 😕

[@anotherday5835]

Sorcerer thinking shes gonna win Player “wanna see what god looks like?”

[@HaniiPuppy]

12:07 - That's more than just not disconnecting from your character - that's actively imposing your own sexuality on other people, it's bigotry. Imagine her in others' shoes; getting into a screaming match with someone else because they're gay and she's offended by that. The only reason that would be less noteworthy and more derisible is because it's more common.

[@vaepuer2290]

Sorc: Sexuality isn't a thing in fantasy!! Also Sorc: You not being lesbian with me is hurting my sexuality!!

[@PipHalsey]

Oof, as a DM I would have shut that down when she kept trying to push sex on a player character, telling her she can't force a player into putting their character into a relationship if they don't want that. This is something I've had to state myself as a player. Being in a very happy relationship IRL, I really have no interest in having pretend relationships knowing it would possibly upset my actual girlfriend. So in my Discord game I've had to make it clear that while my character does have a sexuality (He is a high charisma rogue, after all, and I consider him canonically Bisexual.), he has absolutely no interest in dating 'co-workers', so he won't date any PC. He prefers to keep "business and pleasure" separate. I had to stress this when players started to suggest he had a crush on another PC because he had went way out of his way to save her one time. I explained that their characters are welcome to joke, and think that IC, but that I had to make it clear that I had no interest in a IC relationship.

[@mrroboshadow]

"you're invalidating my sexuality by not letting me force this that is probably invalidating yours" its honestly fascinating how logic works for these people

[@The_Friendly_Fire]

"I reject your reality and substitute my own."

[@anonthehousemouse]

In the dictionary there is a picture of this woman whose text reads "See Logic, lack thereof"

[@FleshCavern]

A good way to deal with this kind of thing is to have your character married or otherwise not emotionally available, maybe make a lost love up in the backstory, I hate it when someone tries to ship their PCs with mine as I may have some horror ish stories about it myself

[@omnical6135]

i think most people who do this stuff would just say stuff like "you deserve somebody better" and keep going after said character

[@VadBlackwood]

Having to come up with fake reasons why you don't waht a relationship with them because they don't take "no" as an answer, tale as old as time.

[@FleshCavern]

It's just easier to say they're spoken for, usually people back off and if they keep trying you can call them out for trying to make you cheat on your love, nice way to flip a script IMO

[@WolforNuva]

In this video's example, I would have told a misleading truth - the character is asexual, they wouldn't think of anything for sleeping with a random guy, but also they don't want to ruin their relationship with the Sorceress. Maybe would have ended the same way, but it's easier to throw back "I'm not invalidating your sexuality, you're invalidating my character's."

[@knju1monsterhunt656]

I've read enough horror stories on Reddit to know that being married or otherwise spoken for isn't nearly enough to stop idiots like her.

[@forestspell]

Game or not. Two females characters or not. NO MEANS NO. He had no obligations to make explanations or excuses for not wanting to pursue that line of RP in game. And even if they were willing to RP a relationship and even if their character wasn't a monster in disguise and was bi or a lesbian, it doesn't mean they have to do so with that player's character.

[@Cross3061980]

If she’s trying to act vicariously through her character, who knows how many people she’s fooled into doing her bidding with this same song and dance in real life.

[@JustSilverCh]

"This is a fantasy setting and sexuality doesn't matter" Wtf does that even mean, and how would that mean that his character can't have a preference? There MAY not be prejudice against what people prefer, but they still have preferences??????????

[@dirtbones3694]

This is why bringing up the concept of romance should be talked amongst characters and the DM. It’s important to make sure both players agree to it so you don’t make anyone uncomfortable or put them in a weird situation.

[@edouardio3017]

A tabletop RPG game isn't an RPG game anymore would you force your own sexual religious and moral beliefs onto another player for your own self-gratification. She was playing to get her rocks off, and in the end got her character off'd

[@pulsefel9210]

question is, was it on the rocks?

[@edouardio3017]

@@pulsefel9210 that's a rocky subject to dive into, friend xD

[@xandan1668]

What a land slide.

[@edouardio3017]

@@xandan1668 real cliff hanger that one was

[@qingyu2353]

Sounds like a rocky relationship

[@bridgetmadden5716]

As a bisexual woman, I hate it when people pull this BS and refuse to take no for an answer. She calls the guy a bigot while acting like the worst negative stereotype

[@JB1996TF]

'If I'd had agreed to have sex with them then they wouldn't have done a bad thing to me' is not something anyone should ever have to say

[@metalc.s3170]

And this is why I would make all my characters have literally no romantic interest. NO MATTER WHAT

[@Zarnirox]

"It's fantasy, there is no sexuality!" "What if my character is asexual?" *ignorance intensifies*

[@Carla_Valjeta]

I was watching this and I got vibes from one of my last D&D games, I normally don't run my characters with my own desire (Aromantic) so it was annoying when I had the same type of person trying to get with my character, it was a yikes since my character always turned down any romantic things since she didn't really believe in romantic love. let's just say the 4th time they brought it up, I pulled the DM aside since it was really uncomfortable to be there and witness that type of thing happening to my character. and that's how I lost my last group

[@destroyerinazuma96]

80's adult anime: protag gives robot feelings through power of love. 2010's adults playing dnd: emotionless entity character triggers real life player through no fault of the entity's player.

[@booleah6279]

The level of entitlement in this woman is unreal

[@IMatchoNation]

Say it with me kids: "Hey I can see you're getting annoyed, so I just want to let you know there are reasons why these things are happening the way they are, please trust that they will make sense in the end. This is not personal; please just play along."

[@omnical6135]

hey i can see you're getting annoyed, so i just want to let you know there are reasons why these things are happening the way they are, please trust that they will make sense in the end this is not personal; please just play along i said it with you

[@IMatchoNation]

@@omnical6135

[@robertsides3626]

9:54 ah D&D.. a game where you can be a stick in the mud emotionless golem person, yet still somehow be "charismatic."

[@brainfood473]

God an 8 hour session, I feel so envious

[@WyvernLostThePlot]

Bro ima be honest if im playing dnd i literally will not do anything else, and 8 hour session would both be a god send and possibly my death ☠️

[@OhmegaMan]

Heard this story before. Was glad to hear it from you this time!

[@Thechuggaablade]

This is why, when DM'ing, I impose the rule 'banter is fine, but when your character crosses over into romance with another PC, have that conversation with the other player before your character confesses their love'. Same with stealing or building hostilities. If the other player says no, then I, as the DM, rule 'No' to that particular idea. No matter who at the table then joins the discussion on either side, no means no.

[@justnomad0]

The Chicken has heard so much about Grimhollow that I'm gonna turn MYSELF into Chickie Nuggies

[@ashhinman1919]

Ok I swear I’ve seen this story before. I don’t know where but I’ve seen it.

[@multifan1644]

I have too I think it was RPG Horror Stories

[@andrewnieves3417]

Same, it's bugging me now

[@mikaneko]

I can't remember who did it before, but yeah, I've seen this one too. But it's nice seeing different takes from different youtubers :)

[@WolfmanXD]

Pretty sure crab has read it before.

[@mikaneko]

​@@WolfmanXD If so might have had to reupload then. Or it was so long ago he forgot lOL. Either way, that lady is p s y c h o

[@apples6684]

I can't believe I managed to arrive so early to the video. According to the thing, there were no views before I clicked. Neat. EDIT: I think I remember this story from somewhere else, but it's always nice to hear another person's thoughts on the same events!

[@adroushan69]

I remember it from a few years ago.

[@iveriad]

Me too. I think CritCrab has done a video about this before.

[@madvulcan8964]

The whole "Your not validating my feelings" Is New Speak for "I can obtain sexual content of another forcefully through emotional manipulation, guilting you into feeling sorry for not letting a creep have their way with you."

[@NickKzig]

"Sexual orientations doesn''t exist in fantasy" hello?? She's the only one invalidating her own sexual identity. Saying your character is straight doesn't make them a bigot lol

[@n.l.g.6401]

This may sound way too grave for a funny-haha DnD video, but attacking someone's moral character when they refuse to do something for you--especially something sexual--is an abuse tactic. I fear for Lorelei's current/future romantic interests IRL. Her persistence, attempts at emotional manipulation, and total lack of respect for consent are all very bad signs.

[@pulsefel9210]

oh dont worry. under federal law women aren't equipped to do rape charges. she'll be fine.

[@n.l.g.6401]

@@pulsefel9210 I don't know what country you live in where the legal specifications of sexual assault require the perpetrator to be male (it's definitely not the USA), but I apologize if you were ever in a situation where violence and abuse against you was not taken seriously due to the patriarchal assumption that women can only ever be victims.

[@pulsefel9210]

@@n.l.g.6401 its not that it requires the assaulter to be male, it requires them to penetrate. so unless the woman uses something to penetrate, under federal law she cant be charged.

[@n.l.g.6401]

@@pulsefel9210 The US Dept. of Justice defines sexual assault as "any nonconsensual sexual act proscribed by Federal, tribal, or State law, including when the victim lacks capacity to consent." This includes if the victim is "threatened, forced, coerced, or manipulated into agreeing," and can involve acts acts other than penetration, such as unwanted touching, kissing, groping, et cetera. Again, your country (or state, even) may define things differently, but in the case of United States federal law, you are incorrect. Please stop spreading this misinformation, as it only serves to invalidate and confuse victims of all genders and orientations.

[@Ebrehlac00]

​@@n.l.g.6401 You two are talking at different points. Women are certainly capable of being tried for sexual assault, but unless they penetrate (foreign object, finger, tongue) under the current definition of rape by the justice department, they cant be tried for rape. That is unless the definition has been updated (www.justice.gov/archives/ovw/blog/updated-definition-rape). Thats what I feel what Pulse was trying to express. Rape is sexual assault, but sexual assault is not necessarily rape (www.justice.gov/ovw/sexual-assault) or tried the same way. Please stop bludgeoning people for mispeaking and using silencing tactics like patriarchy because it doesnt help anyone understand the subject you wish to convey. Its just an insult. It doesnt help.

[@101Crock]

To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes. “No one is obligated to love you or fuck you.”

[@brooksfaucette296]

how on earth does fantasy=everyone is bi?? That makes no sense.

[@mathisntmybestsubject8440]

It does to some psychos.

[@thiscomment2010]

Seems to me the sorceress' player wanted to bang OP in real life and was using the game to that end, then became upset that it wasn't working.

[@TheWinterPhoenix]

"I was an extended party member that was an Elder god pretending to be a lvl 10 Warlock" *Me reads title again* I think have heard this story before. *Story continues* I have heard this story. So apparently, something Crit crab didn't mention or maybe it wasn't in the post or comments is that the story goes on a little further. I first heard this story a several months ago and in the story I heard about this group the party ended up defeating the OPs character in the final battle and afterwards the sorceress cried about still loving her.

[@Drakon_Minaka]

Hey do you still remember the story? I kinda want to read it myself. Sorry I'm a year late. EDIT: Never mind, I think I found it.

[@arellajardin8188]

I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt and say at best, she was lashing out for being rejected, getting overly emotional and not realizing her roleplaying ship was one sided. But an LGBTQ person myself, I’ll say that the Sorceress broke “Da Rules”. You do not get to dictate what someone else’s sexuality is. This should even apply to fictional characters, and fantasy settings. Even if you have a progressive setting where nobody cares about sexuality, that doesn’t make every character pan or bi. That’s just stupid. Now, while I’m not excusing her, I do think there was a better way to diffuse the situation. I know he wanted to by cryptic, but he should have given the meta excuse that he doesn’t like to engage in PC romance, only npc romance. PC romances get too real, and the barrier between player and character get blurred.

[@WolfmanXD]

I'm about 99% sure you've read this story before.

[@The.Flying.Editor]

I thought the same thing!! It feels way too familiar :0

[@dawntherin2833]

I've definitely heard it before...it could have been from All Things D&D though.

[@chaitea1995]

Sorceress: "This is fantasy, sexuality doesn't exist" Also Sorceress: "You're invalidating my sexualityyyy through your character who isn't even remotely related to meeeeeeeee"

[@Khether0001]

*TLDR:* Excessive disparity of powers might alienate players unnecessarily. I was once invited to what I thought was a mystery live action, only to realize later I was part of the only subgroup of plain humans amongst nearly all other players being werewolves, vampires, etc. They never gave me a option to create anything other than a human investigator which I later heard them refer specifically as "just food for the others" it sucked. You can easily bolster you should just go with it, but if that is true how would you feel if you were invited to play a first person shooter where everyone have all kinds of rifles but they only *ALLOW* you to use a pistol? Same feeling really.

[@Mordring]

I guess some people still learn basic rules of D&D: 1. What happens in the game stays in the game, what happens out of the game stays out of the game. 2. A setting's genre named fantasy does not automatically imply sexual fantasy. 3. Neither other players nor their characters are there for you. They have their own free will to run their character as they like, be it a friend, a lover, an indifferent ally, or a traitor. What you want from them is irrelevant (you may negotiate, of course, but their compliance is optional at best). 4. Shipping PCs is only for emotionally mature people (there is no set age, some are mature at 20, others fail at it even it their 60s) who know the difference between PC-romance and RL-romance.

[@chirpthewolf4869]

I feel a good way to have had calm down the situation during break when she confronted him would have Been to say that as the price for the warlock contract his character feels no emotions so any feelings are not reciprocated. Only being a being of efficiently doing tasks. So the reason they don’t attempt to further romance is because they simply don’t feel romance or other emotions

He shouldn't of had too anyway, he said no, she refused to accept it. No means No, even in RPG's

[@akizeta]

The moral is, when you're trying to pull a fast one on the party, always have a back-up explanation for why the character might be acting hinky.

[@omnical6135]

unless it's ruined by a metagamer then you just be sad

[@raistlarn]

They had multiple backups, but the sorcereress was meta gaming hard, and wouldn't take any explanation given.

[@Ryauna]

The real problem here is the sorceress invalidating the warlocks choice to choose. No means no. No one has to have a relationship or sex with you just because your playing a game and you want your characters to get in bed together. It really irritates me this point wasnt made to the sorceress. Ugh..

Hell they don't even have to tell you why.

[@Ryauna]

@ Exactly

[@vellothedreepy5930]

I remember this story had been taken from TheLoadingCrew channel. Unfortunately, the video had been labelled as private and became unavailable afterwards

[@atheist101]

Wow that DM handle that perfectly. I've had some players derail my campaigns, we all have, its so damn hard to recover some times. I've pulled a few things out of my ass before and surprised myself

[@witokija]

As a bisexual person, we officially disown this woman.

Bi guy here too, I second this motion.