Valve Removed Hats

It was an interesting 36 hours or so, but the item server is now back online. If you'd like to be someday surprised by a TF2 update that isn't a complete mistake, consider making noise with #SaveTF2 on your social media platform of choice.
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[@yahboi7710]

Tf2 is in such a dire state, Uncle Dane gaslights himself into thinking that even item server not being available is an event

[@discipleofdagon8195]

tbh if the item server was down for good I wouldn't bat an eye. If anything It'd be a good riddance to all the idiots who spent hundreds of dollars on F2P game just for a hat with a particle effect.

[@PinkPugAU]

skill issue, someone doesn't have a funny hat@@discipleofdagon8195

[@mtheoverlord7840]

@@discipleofdagon8195 Those "idiots" are probably the only reason TF2 is still running today, even with the little support we have. Wouldn't be surprised if they pulled support once it's not profitable

[@discipleofdagon8195]

@@mtheoverlord7840 So appeasing valve by throwing money into the cashpit of a game that was marketed as F2P is the way to keep it afloat? Weirdest copium I've heard yet when valve has all the money in the world. Appeasing a corporation with microtransactions ain't the way to go.💀 Also posted 2 mintues ago and 1 like already? Nice one lil bro.

[@mtheoverlord7840]

@discipleofdagon8195 It wasn't marketed as F2P. It started out as a paid game, then transitioned later in its life to a F2P game. If someone wants to pay money for cosmetic items in a game they support, free to play or not, then what's wrong with that? Also, what does the like on my comment have to do with anything?

[@henners8767]

This would unironically be a really fun april fools event

[@Yoshi-Berry]

How is that related in any shape or form?

[@thenoob2765]

@@Yoshi-Berryit would be a good idea for an April fools joke?

[@KL6Soup]

@@Yoshi-Berryit would make sense if English was your first language you’re under the age of 12

[@mr.explodey6745]

@@Yoshi-Berry related to what???

[@quaxly8248]

@SodaYoshi bro tryna act smart

[@EpicGamerDog]

I remember TF2 back on the Orange Box on the 360. The only communication was yelling for Medic, and somehow we all communicated like morse code with it. And then once in a while someone either through mods or another method would start using the other voice commands and they were then treated like a messenger from God.

[@DatChernobylGuy_]

Why wasnt anything except E available?

[@spacewallaby96]

​@@DatChernobylGuy_ if you got mods, you can use d pad to say help, thanks, spy, and go go go

[@StilvurBee]

if i remember correctly, the little keypad you could plug into your controller was an easy way to get the other voice commands

[@mattm8128]

How come they weren't available normally

[@spacewallaby96]

@@mattm8128 not sure

[@zeugmaflowers]

As a Scout main, it's completely bizarre to watch Soldier gameplay because they don't even think twice about losing 50+ health or taking afterburn because they know they'll survive. Crazy.

[@ch1ppychipp]

Probably because of the Black Box.

[@Games4Life7712]

​@@ch1ppychippProbably because that's 1/4 of their health. Fraction-wise, that's like losing 30 health as a scout

[@doinyamom5810]

Crazy? I was crazy once

[@Dr_Doctor_Lee]

they put me in a pond. a pond with liquids. the liquids turned me crazy soldier_no_wait.ogg the pond one was with turned me gay..

[@alexrexaros9837]

The TF2 player secretly yearns for a world without hats.

[@afyber]

Or not so secretly

[@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty]

As a TF2 player I yearn for a world without ANY unlocks.

[@matclory]

ngl ive had more fun with everyone playing stock these days

[@tabula_rosa]

my favorite feature in wargaming games is the ability to turn other players skins off entirely.

[@tearex8688]

i want hats. i just want quality control.

[@FNAFCarterPlayz]

Valve not fixing the item servers for a good few days was honestly one of the best accidental experiments that was used on the TF2 Community. It definitely shook up the feel of the game quite a bit

[@GolfinhoVoador]

It was very fun, other than the occasional dude that somehow still had their items..

[@resiigned]

@@GolfinhoVoador this would of been because they havent closed tf2 since before the server issues and or the item servers were semi functional in their country

[@oinkitysploink2213]

These are the words from an incredibly deprived community lmao

[@circleinforthecube5170]

@@GolfinhoVoador probably one server in the back of a lonely IT department walled up or something. bro's got hats till the buildings demolished

[@Iteration456-8_codename_goblin]

I have to admit that I did enjoy myself for the two days of tf2 og Not needing to look at god awful cosmetics was also a plus

[@badgercode]

I actually regret missing this! A lot of games have like "special weekends" or limited time gamemodes/maps/events dotted fairly frequently throughout the year. Not to the level of halloween or christmas; just a handful of tweaks to the game's settings. Something like that in TF2 would be quite fun, without the risk of it losing its novelty because it only lasts for a few days.

[@MenderMan]

yeah i wish i played during it too. the game looks and feels cleaner with all stock, but at least TF2C exists

[@pawprint1]

Yeah wish I made it in time, and thats the first time I wanted to come to a broken game.

[@vintagememelord8168]

I'm atually getting a Nostalgic reaction by seeing hatless/ tauntless/ stock players, on Maps nEw *and* old. However I'm also getting a lot of Fomo becase I forgor to play TF2 for 5 days.

[@soapmakestunes]

Unintentional things like this are fun too! Destiny 2 has had a few accidental instances like the Laser Tag weekend or, more recently, the Craftening, that shook up the game feel in really wild ways that were an absolute blast to play around with. They even gave emblems to people who played during those mistake-events.

[@KoiBoi554]

Ive been playing tf2 since 07 and I can say that some of my best moments came from that era. I remember specifically playing this ctf map that was two pirate ships and another one that was two trains. There was a cp map that made you feel like you were in toy story and another one that was like on a pool table with a tower of cards and other random junk. It's a shame that all that isnt popular anymore.

[@christiangottsacker6932]

The good old days. My buddy had a pc strong enough to play it. But my first time was in cp orange lol I also bought the orange box for 360 from a kid at school and had to bring it to a different friend's house because I didn't have Xbox live.

[@mrbones9332]

Reminds me of that Saxton Hale map on the intel desk in 2fort.

[@dusk2308]

and it was from a time when cp still ment control points

[@christiangottsacker6932]

@@dusk2308 4chan os older..

[@Enthralpy]

The two trains! Good old ctf_convoy. Some saxton hale servers still have it, but I havent seen regular ctf gameplay on it.

[@gub4941]

5:36 it’s amazing how both of the participants of this honorable shotgun duel are third partied at the exact same moment by snipers on the opposite teams

[@overlord3481]

Sniper is fair and balanced

[@stefel7765]

Delet snoper

[@potatolord7284]

What are the chances of that??

[@lev7509]

Oh wow! I actually haven't noticed, thanks for pointing it out!

[@lipschitzlyapunov]

Classic matchup in TF2. You're just fighting someone when a sniper pixel from across the map in perfect safety kills you

[@Nerdtendo6366]

As someone who missed this, I’m actually kinda sad I missed it. Having everyone get set back to basics sounds like fun and could be a fun game mode

[@TopEditorCoach]

No silly hats

[@madeofgrease9220]

nah its still ongoing.

[@Boneheaded0]

of course the time I decided to take a break

[@Nerdtendo6366]

@@TopEditorCoach as someone with like, 3 hats, I really don’t mind

[@TopEditorCoach]

@@Nerdtendo6366the only hats I have is halloween and alien swarm and rebuilt and drop item hat’s which is this fishermen hat and one for medic is the this on his hat and demo with a thing on his head

[@FreshTillDeath56]

Ironically, this brought more players back into the game and brought more fun back into each match. It really was wonderful.

[@varvarvarvarvarvar]

Yeah, Valve could run a lent event. It's this time of the year, when we give up... hats.

[@nigeladams8321]

I don't know, everyone who was talking about when it was happening was complaining because a lot of the unlockable weapons are really fun to play with.

[@ChaseVaccaro-ge3gk]

Maybe Valve could run all-stock servers if items are brought back.

[@cypherwednesday7194]

i love how uncle dane has played so much tf2 that he can sense if a disguised spy is "suspicious" as if its part of his instincts now

[@LowProfile0247]

Spy sense is a thing for basically any player that’s played tf2 for a while? If you have ample enough time to observe a teammate it’s very easy to spot a spy unless they’re trying their hardest to act. The problem is that enemy spies will always look at you. They can’t help being suspicious.

[@fortnitesexman]

i..i think those spies are just really fucking bad at being spies 💀

[@natichhh]

​@@LowProfile0247 i think it has more to do with the game sense and skill level. good spies tend to stay in your peripheral vision, not drawing attention until you're preoccupied. if an enemy player is watching my disguise, 90% of the time the gig is up. ( i am just learning spy so this is more about my observations as a receiver of one too many backstabs )

[@lootrat4556]

Playing dust bowl without anyone being able to use unlocks was actually a pretty fun and balanced experience surprisingly

[@ArrowPandaFode]

makes sense, it was from a time when there was no unlocks, right?

[@shadow50011]

@@ArrowPandaFode Correct, Dustbowl is a launch map based on a map from TFC

[@zebug4762]

Well, let's not forget you're probably talking about current day Dustbowl. Out-of-the-box Dustbowl was a nightmare for BLU because it so strongly favoured RED. Little changes like the small drop down at BLU spawn stage 2 and the stairs going up the walkway at stage 3 alley were made to help BLU out to prevent easy spawncamps and break through hold points a little more easily, but more often than not, a good defense still trumps an equally good offense in Dustbowl.

[@theladder4476]

Nothing about dustbowls balance changes with unlocks. 💀 Its still free for defense always. Community servers will afk in spawn to let ppl cap so we can get stage 3. 😂

[@theladder4476]

@@zebug4762all of dustbowl is still insanely red favored.

[@smile871]

Welcome to Team Fortress 2. After 9 years in development we hope it has been worth the wait.

[@dusk2308]

god damn it really has been 9 years hasn't

[@Zeglexa]

@dusk2308 TF2 came out 16 years ago. He was referencing that the game took 9 years to make.

[@qinjiwei5058]

@@Zeglexa he was literally doing the joke where you larp from that time. i.e. guys 2014 was 3 years ago :[

[@John-006]

Dead joke

[@gtsctts5398]

Honestly this could be a great idea for offical/community servers, where a random monthly or weekly event happens and shakeups like this happen more regularly

[@katzenmeister488]

That day was honestly some of the most fun I've had playing tf2 in a long time.

[@Tocaric2]

This was a soft buff for spy, since if you disguised as a class that the enemy team didn't have, being stock wouldn't look suspicious.

[@aneasteregg8171]

And you aren't as distinctive in general with everyone looking the same. Not obvious at a glance if you're disguised as someone they know shouldn't be there.

[@Adrenaline0413]

Personally I felt like it was a nerf to spy. Not being able to sense a players skill based off their cosmetics really hinders my sense on which fights to take as spy. But nonetheless i still found it really fun to play during the weird 36 hours of Down item servers :P

[@wadespencer3623]

@@Adrenaline0413 Also Spy is kinda shit and needs the busted stuff like the kunai and Diamondback to get anything done.

[@SpookyBalling]

​@@wadespencer3623 bait used to be believable

[@wadespencer3623]

@@SpookyBalling Bait in what universe, I've never seen anybody NOT call the Diamondback blatantly OP.

[@Dingledork245]

Honestly the game has its own charm when set to default

[@necromech_]

of course it would. we wouldn't still be with it didn't.

[@leonardo9259]

Shame hats and unusuals ruined it

[@fixingbutton8144]

Spent probably a hundred dollars on that game….

[@christiangottsacker6932]

This is such a redundant comment 🤣

[@TheSillyDoggo]

​@@christiangottsacker6932I know right. Who would reply to someone's comment just to say something mean. Such a redundant comment smh

[@theredwesternraptor4209]

12:36 Can we stop and appreciate how nicely those wrench swings lined up with the music

[@ducttapeengineer933]

Man what a throwback. The original game in all it's glory. Minus the spy glitch where you got stuck in people if you uncloaked near them.

[@mothichorror446]

Plus all kinds of QoL updates, like Pyro's air blast and Engineer being able to move buildings

[@ducttapeengineer933]

@@mothichorror446 True I can't even remember pyro without airblast any more It's so necessary

[@Blazarrer]

Medieval Mode was super fun when this was going on! There was just a bunch of heavies taunting instead of huntsman snipers. Thank you to all 0 employees at valve for this beautiful event!

[@elbabecerra3064]

I think I may have been in that match with you? Does the name NOOB935 look familiar?

[@Blazarrer]

@@elbabecerra3064 My Tf2 name is ShiverBorn. I was on the Shounic 100 player server. I might remember seeing a NOOB935 at some point.

[@DoABarrelRol1l]

daaang should have tried that. No Crossbows, Shields, Swords, or Huntsmans sounds like a completely different game. I'd guess the 'meta' would be Spy Heavy and Scout(?).

[@ganjagank4787]

Imagine degroot with no demoknights. no skullcutters, booties, or anything.

[@starred1096]

It's been a while since I played TF2, and I'm just hearing about this, are the servers back up? Will I still have my cowboy engie?

[@michaelcameron2432]

My favorite thing about the stock games is seeing all the dead ringer crutch spies hold w and cloak as soon as they take damage only to immediately get folded

[@squid8420]

im so used to playing defensive with the cloak and dagger and yer that i suck with dead ringer

[@lt2660]

this is a sentiment i dont understand, how can the dead ringer be a crutch when its worse than stock? I'm not a big spy player and i dont use the dead ringer so maybe im missing something here

[@danbossofthedairymob7764]

​​@@lt2660It's the whole "feigning death in a very unsubtle way" gimmick. A dead ringer cloak won't flicker if hit (at least, not for the first few seconds), so you're more likely to get away even if your "death" wasn't convincing. Meanwhile, a stock watch will always flicker if hit or bumped into, so you can't vanish so easily.

[@lt2660]

@@danbossofthedairymob7764 yeah but even without flickering and the damage resistance and the speed boost its still pretty easy to track a spy. In worst case scenario you might wait for the loud decloak, or even if they do get away they now have no cloak. Like sure, feign your death and get away. All you've really done is give yourself a shorter respawn because you're totally useless.

[@jeffersonshaunreyyu]

​@@lt2660 it sounds more like you usually go up against bad spies. Though i agree its not a crutch, all disadvantages of the dead ringer can be nullified if used by a decent player. Im not saying its better than stock though its just an entirely different playstyle.

[@DoingTheBestICan]

It was sort of interesting watching the players who you could tell were accustomed only to playing their hyper-niche subclass try to relearn the mechanics of the stock weapons again (which they probably haven't touched since they first downloaded the game)

[@whyamihere555]

*laughs in just not playing until the item servers came back*

[@davidklemen5264]

It was so hard to get used to stock after playing heavy weapons guy with no socks on with the family business but i only use 3 shots until i have to reload, subclass, oh yeah i also can only play every saturday.

[@drewthelovable6809]

My favorite game during this was when everyone went heavy and just used melee. No one even asked, i just saw that there were 6 heavies, so I went heavy (the rest of the team joined us soon after that).

[@hellnou2527]

"I don't know if these guys are just noobs or... or... they just have their hats off" I love the idea of "hat = actual skill"

[@pepekovallin]

It's the equivalent of "he just has a good gaming chair"

[@SuspiciousScout]

Statistically, the people who invested a lot of time into a game are more likely to have invested money into it, therefore wearing hats means theres a higher chance they're more skilled. Doesn't mean it's guaranteed to be the case, but it does make sense.

[@paquixyz4000]

don't wanna be too much of a 🤓but noob means newbie, not reffering to skill

[@LARAUJO_0]

@@paquixyz4000 People naturally get more skilled at things as they do them more, so being new to a game means you will be less skilled at it. Wdym?

[@paquixyz4000]

@@LARAUJO_0 Of course, but what I mean is that the word noob isn't related to skill but to being new at a thing, but yeah it's a stupid comment lol

[@CrimsoniteSP]

Valve: Oh geez, we're so sorry, our servers blew up, we didn't know- The whole community: No, no. This has been some of the best TF2 we had in years. WE WANT IT BACK!

[@duncanabrams7441]

Pffffft, you think Valve would ever apologize to us xD

[@CrimsoniteSP]

@@duncanabrams7441 You know, you're right. My comment made them out of character. But I'll apologize for my ignorance.

[@RecklessBucket]

Valve: The whole TF2 community: No, no. This has been some of the best TF2 we had in years. WE WANT IT BACK!

[@RecklessBucket]

FR though this is quite silly. XD

[@CrimsoniteSP]

@@RecklessBucket Lol. It was supposed to be silly. The only way I interact with this world is to make myself laugh and hope others follow suite.

[@SuperQuadocky]

I played on launch with the orange box. I mostly enjoyed it being a 'modern' experience of the time with modern graphics, animations, voice acting. You playing engineer reminds me of how placing sentry guns/buildables and it not being 'janky' to do so was an INCREDIBLE novelty unto itself. Team Fortress Classic for example, you could only place things one specific way in mostly specific locations because the footprint of the sentry was huge and did not like being near certain kinds of terrain. Because of this in fact, the 'meta' around sentry building was pretty flat and uncomplicated. For the most part you could mostly only place sentries in their 'designated nests' like how snipers had their own bunkers.

[@LordZurkov]

I joined during the prerelease beta, right after they reduced the grenade launcher's clip size from 6 to 4. Lots of differences between stock then and today. Only sentries had upgrade levels. No airblast. Pistols used to be semi-automatic (you can probably blame me for the change to full-auto). There were a few other differences, but those are the big ones I remember the most. For a little while there wasn't a delay before scoped shots counted as headshots. A couple times they tinkered with the minigun's spinup time and damage vs sentries. Pistol/revolvers didn't shoot straight down the crosshair on the first bullet. I remember them nerfing airbursts with the stickybomb launcher. I'm sure you remember the somewhat-recent afterburn change. That's all I can remember off the top of my head, but I know for sure there were other changes to stock. 🤔

[@SuperPerry1000]

I know we want Valve to take us to the good old days. They just sent us to the old days

[@StafkiGTN]

and then they took it straight away from us. Sigh...

[@jaredcondit9888]

Eh, back in MY day the Engineers didn't have their gunslingers, Heavy couldn't eat his sandwich, and demoknights didn't exist! The game was all skill! "Alright grandpa, let's get you to bed."

[@JeskidoYT]

but filled with bots too

[@zebaguettefromfrance1287]

​​​@@jaredcondit9888 Back in MY days engineer couldn't pick up buildings, airblast didn't exist and blast jumping was wonky as shit... Yeah I don't miss those either.

[@TopEditorCoach]

@@JeskidoYTwhat country servers that has no bots like Canada or India or Africa servers do they still have bots

[@UncleDane]

Valve plugged the server back in so the items are back now. Also, at 14:57 I meant to say I started playing in 2012.

[@Sandvich592]

Omg no way real

[@FireKraftStudios]

Sounds good, thank you Dane.

[@thederp7978]

Cool

[@GUYZEPPELIN]

fr

[@Reimu__Hakurei]

Engineer gaming!!

[@serioussponge6416]

This game was an integral part of my childhood. I remember baby me playing it for the first time in 2007 and my tiny baby brain being absolutely exploded from the sheer awesomeness.

[@chickennugget481]

there should be community servers that are just like this 24/7 (if there aren't already)

[@Whomobile]

Almost like the good old days, it was great not dealing with Kunai + Deadringers spies for at least a few hours.

[@Magicka24]

Someone please tell me I wasent the only one who kept checking anyway. "sPAH ROUND 'ERE" I cry, as if ignorant of the frenchmans rotting corpse at my boots. Stock TF2 makes me look schizo.

[@andeve3]

Also pretty great for spies, since the lack of cosmetics makes it easier to just walk past the player you're disguised as.

[@Biker_Gaming]

Uhm a few hours? That’s for a few months at least now

[@Mann528]

I always forget that without deadringer they can't live again!@@Magicka24

[@energeticyellow1637]

No dead ringer, no kunai, no wrangler, no short circuit, no rescue ranger, no minis, no mad milk, no ubersaw, no banners, no sniper unlocks, no flare guns of any kind... it was perfect honestly.

[@bena4316]

I loved it while it lasted. No hats, no discrimination and impression of skills from hats or weapons. It truly felt like a pure tf2 experience. We had a pug while this was happening and it was really fun.

[@MrTAGGER88]

A pug?

[@bena4316]

@@MrTAGGER88 pick up games

[@Spyisabadclass]

So wait are item servers still down

[@pugboigamer9591]

@@MrTAGGER88 you don't know?

[@juliandalton8942]

@@Spyisabadclassthey are up now

[@blackisbackblack9105]

14:26 "Last chance to look at me hector.."

[@benhaggerty8707]

I played during this on a fairly competitive community server, it was a blast, everyone was laughing and there was a bunch of diversity in class-use , I rarely see every class being used on a team there but I did that day, very enjoyable as a late Christmas present from volvo

[@duckkey7025]

valve really took a unique approach to buffing demoman and spy

[@user-25352]

spy was nerfed tho, with less tools he is much more predictable

[@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth]

@@user-25352| Stock spy is already very nearly optimal, and the lack of cosmetics makes disguises MUCH more effective.

[@user-25352]

@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth stock spy is decent, but when enemy knows you're not going to ever deadringer nor stay perpetually invisible in some corner waiting for you to relax, it makes it easier for them. Inability to stay more hidden w letranger or play gunnier spy also hurts. (Knives are situational but lack of options is a downside as well.). For the lack of cosmetics, yeah sure everyone being the same makes disguise a bit better... but everyone is already used to spychecking so disguises aren't strong in a first place, so not much effect here. In fact I'm not sure if occasional "missing head" issue is fixed by lack of cosmetics.

[@TopEditorCoach]

@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworththe worst nerf of all was the respawn outlines / respawn wallhacks

[@tyxant5919]

​@@user-25352How are you going to benefit from the enemy not knowing you ringed when you already died fr? And how many people on the enemy team actually paid enough attention to know if you're running C&D instead of stock? Losing L'trange sure makes stuff slightly more inconvenient if you're bad at cloak management, otherwise the stock cloak time is very much perfectly workable. You don't have the options that gut your cloak time either like the C&D or YER. So nah man, the spy definitely got the better end of the stick here. There are also just less anti Spy weapons like the razorback, Homewrecker, AoE flares and Milk/Jarate. Spies also no longer have to worry about giving free uber for challenging a Medic at close range.

[@andeve3]

I started playing in 2008, so medic, pyro, and heavy had unlockable weapons already, but there were no hats, so it felt a bit like this. Everyone was equal. It was very chill, like a chat room with guns.

[@QuintessentialWalrus]

I also started in Dec. 2008, but on the 360 version, so I'm glad I got to fall in love with stock TF2 before it was too late. I've even played Hydro! With people!

[@energeticyellow1637]

I started in 2012 but it was on the PS3 version. I eventually played it along side the PC version as I didn't have full time access to the PC like I did with my PS3, so I have a very fond soft-spot for stock TF2. The aesthetic and "tone" was just something else.

[@tadziu2400]

I started in 2028. Don't believe me? Just wait.

[@christiangottsacker6932]

That's exactly how chet falizek described it.

[@the_rabidsquirel]

July 2008 for me, so just before the heavy update. I remember thinking it was crazy how medic and pyro had 3 whole weapons more than everyone else, and then when the heavy update hit and I realized they'd be doing it for all the classes my hype was immeasurable. The hype for the original Scream Fortress events was insane too, dropping everything I could to play. Nothing quite beats the excitement for the old updates.

[@ArkosMan]

I'm really upset that I missed this. Glad you recorded your experience, looks like fun

[@shoohorn]

16:27 Oh god, the spy laughing before eating shit into that wall is the funniest thing I've seen.

[@PrismaticCatastrophism]

It was really difficult to pick targets as a spy, as it was nearly impossible to tell wether someone was a total noob or pro.

[@heatseeker9573]

By the hat, lmao

[@RedHeavy-]

@@heatseeker9573… when items servers were down no one wore hats…

[@yeetandyum3709]

@@heatseeker9573Did you….watc-did you loo- Are you blind??

[@StafkiGTN]

@@heatseeker9573 Bro..

[@floydoroid]

@@heatseeker9573 please tell me this is bait. please.

[@itsjustaburningname3685]

I remember playing this on The Orange Box for the 360 the year it came out. In retrospect, the fact that we played without airblast sends shivers down my spine.

[@moopiemilk-1]

I had no idea you were supposed to play this game knowing what color your team was! This stock update is great!

[@MrAA-io8rw]

Stock gameplay is so nice and fun. Sometimes I wish this was occasionally an event

[@nuggle6400]

this was equally awesome, as almost like a limited time event. but in contrast it sucks bc shows how absolutely starved for content we are that the game breaking was actually fun and refreshing

[@youngthinker1]

For me, the lack of unlocks made the classes more dependent on each other. That made things more fun.

[@damsen978]

For those who don't understand the comment. He means for example like Heavy relying more on Medics, Medkits and Dispensers to heal. And Spy mains can't use their dead ringer to abuse the speed boost to trickstab, so they have to wait for their team to distract his targets and backstab the intended way more often (surprise backstabs).

[@LumanareM]

@@damsen978 I think, much like how Fortnite has a Zero Build mode, this mistake should be spun into an official gamemode. No clue on a name for it, but it'd be interesting, and probably become decently popular.

[@damsen978]

No need. Server plugins can do that for us already. Like TF2rue.@@LumanareM

[@Halberds8122]

@@LumanareM Vintage mode? Or it could be a community mod

[@vappyreon1176]

​@@LumanareMzero build is a bit different because its for lowering the skill floor for casuals

[@__gig__]

it's been years since i regularly played tf2 but i seem to remember this happening more often back in the day

[@spinomitegames9000]

I totally agree about a ping system being useful. Ever since playing Vermintide, it's felt so weird not being able to point out things with pings. XD

[@ootoot2152]

We're finally getting the second part of Dane's default engineer commentary from so long ago. 2024 off to a fantastic start

[@Kaerucon]

The best part about this item server outage was playing medic. It was so nice to not worry if the other medic has shot 20 more arrows than you and gotten 3 übercharges thanks to that, and it was all about actually managing your heal targets and flow. Loved it...

[@florinflorea3995]

im pretty sure arrows dont charge uber...

[@sleepydogboy5599]

@@florinflorea3995 they do, but provide less charge per hp healed than a medigun. I know the crossbow used to actually build uber faster than the medigun, unsure if this is still the case after the jungle inferno change

[@ijre]

​@@sleepydogboy5599 It doesn't give less charge, but rather its Übercharge build rate is affected by the same scaling that the medigun's healing itself has which allows for crit heals So while in practice most people you'll be arrowing won't give you the same charge as the medigun, it doesn't actually have *explicitly* less charge rate So if you ever find someone who has crit heals and is hurt (could definitely happen at like, the front lines of a payload defense round when someone's waiting on a kit to respawn or anything similiar), then it's still better to arrow them in regards to Übercharge building

[@sleepydogboy5599]

@@ijre ​ I might be misunderstanding & have no clue if the tf2 wiki is accurate, but: "Healing a teammate with a syringe fired from the Crusader's Crossbow also contributes a small amount of charge to the Medic's ÜberCharge meter, but contributes less charge than healing the equivalent amount of health with any Medi Gun." This has been in effect since Tough Break, while the heal scaling mechanic from the medigun was introduced to the crossbow in Jungle Inferno. So if I understand what you mean, and unless the crossbow's base charge rate was buffed at the same time the Jungle Inferno changes went through, I believe the crossbow both gives less charge than the medigun and is affected by the medigun's scaling mechanic. However in a practical game I believe you're right in that it may still build uber faster in cases of crit heal due to its bulk healing and reload speed. But let me know if I'm mistaken or using inaccurate information

[@wallyeast9417]

I love that you are playing risk or rain music while playing tf2. Ror is probably my most favorite game series and I just like how well the music is as well

[@MegaChibirobo]

Another banger as always Uncle! My biggest regret is not playing TF2 during this time period. All of my friends have been playing since around 2008 so they do remember SOME of this type of TF2. Now though? They've been around the block and don't really want to play anymore, where as I have finally started really getting into it thanks to channels like you, Soundsmith, Elmaxo, etc. It sucks that I have to play on my own because I was late to the bus, but it's still the most fun I've had playing games in a long time! #SaveTf2 needs to come back!

[@statelyelms]

I love how Dane, half on purpose half not, stopped trying so hard. He just relaxed and had fun, did dumb plays, taunted at funny moments, I think because there's no expectation of skill and everyone's the same for once. It's like this is some pure version of TF2 we've all been graced with for a moment. Of course it would be nice if ValvE actually paid the game any heed at all instead of leaving it in a limbo..

[@astopp82]

Still remember going from TFC trying out TF2. Slower and no grenades! Even played the Beta of TF2. Then had a break between 2010-2020 and the game was still alive! Racked up a lot of hours during Covid. Now I often play TF2 with my sons and that is truly heartwarming ☺️

[@WiscoDrinks]

TFC was my first experience with an FPS

[@Nova-ro5by]

This video made me feel very melancholy for old tf2. Thank you Uncle Dane

[@propelledgaming9441]

Man I wish I hadn't missed this it would have been cool to experience the game like this again, almost like playing on launch day when none had anything unlocked.

[@alexrexaros9837]

Uncle's commentary about being "self-conscious" about how you play or how you look really says something about hats and the community itself. I've avoided using stock because I don't have skins for them.

[@tomorbataar5922]

I would recommend trying stock and hatless/skinless as a heavy (or whatever's your main honestly). People will absolutely underestimate you and get themselves killed, it's wild.

[@Torgan454]

is that fredda

[@eqsaz]

Does that really matter? It feels that unlike dota 2 people don't give a shit about your cosmetics or hours played.

[@ALouisae]

easily my most favorite time in the game. i loved 2010 tf2

[@TopEditorCoach]

Back to 2007

[@k0metz590]

I'm already missing it. It was fun having stable fps and knowing everyone's loadout

[@TopEditorCoach]

@@k0metz590orange box vibes

[@blackholetl]

Was engi picking up buildings and airblast 2007 or 2008?

[@ChibiMiiTen]

@@blackholetlneither

[@SouliSoundTrack]

This Video has got to be the most entertaining tf2 video I've seen for over half a year.

[@GamingHelp]

I'm just impressed by your engi skills. Even with just a shotgun or pistol, you're dangerous as hell. Outstanding man!

[@korneoss]

I would like to have a stock-only mode, it could be fun

[@bmanb2099]

xbox 360 orange box tf2, there has been almost no updates to it, you cant even pick up buildings

[@TopEditorCoach]

⁠@@bmanb2099man I had the Xbox 360 I played in 2015 until I had a pc and I joined in 2018 or 17

[@fiendish9474]

Is this not just comp 6s lmao

[@huskenator857]

oops they created a new game mode

[@eggroll5510]

​@fiendish9474 I hate how true that is. Like most companies games ban all engineer secondary weapons but stock, and ban the rescue ranger and jag, so you basically have to play stock.

[@soroij.5402]

I remember when Valve removed hats from the game. It was weird just staring at a black screen until they brought them back. Maybe they should add other features to the game, like guns or something.

[@grimmsoul3096]

this is not a good joke

[@udram47thelowercaseguy]

@@grimmsoul3096no its a jerma type joke so its instantly good

[@grimmsoul3096]

@@udram47thelowercaseguy and what's a jerma type joke?

[@literallya442ndclonetroope5]

@@grimmsoul3096 come on, it’s a ok at least. Overdone, but a nice little jab regardless.

[@Hynet1]

I hope they add characters next honestly

[@jonashormann5700]

I didn't play at release, but started more around 2009. Not everything was stock, but still having only a limited amount of weapons available was fun. I also enjoyed the older look of stock weapons (rocket launcher, sticky launcher, sniper rifle mainly) and pyro flames weren't an eye sore. Revolver reloads were a bit unpractical, but for the rest the game was just simple good fun

[@Randomguy-cs9dv]

I have your intro as my ringtone cause its so dope

[@MadelineTheUndertaleVideogame]

As much as it hurt to not have my panick attack for my soldier, i must admit that it felt so freeing to not having to worry abt kunai or deadringer spies and wrangler abuse lmao

[@Sir_Squid]

If it hurt not to use a specific weapon, I think it's a bit of a crutch. You should try to be fluid with play styles and weapons!

[@provaricus627]

@@Sir_SquidWho’s to say they didn’t come to loving the Panic Attack through trying out everything and settling on the one option?

[@Sir_Squid]

@@provaricus627 fair point.

[@Lessbizzare]

I need to see a weapon tier-list for this crazy new mode.

[@MartianSantas]

S tier: medigun F tier: Fireaxe

[@DannyCheezits]

S: Sniper, Medic, Demo, Scout A: Pyro, Soldier, Heavy B: Engineer C: Spy

[@bugsmith9751]

@@DannyCheezits i would put spy up higher since only actually good spies would be out there, and those who needed dead ringer as a crutch would be unable to play it at all!

[@WhatIsTheHeat]

@@DannyCheezitsI don’t think spy is that bad unless you love playing Kunai spy + dead ringer because now you are playing a completely different game

[@DannyCheezits]

@@WhatIsTheHeat Spy isnt that bad he's just fucked by gamesense and now you cant rely on gimmick items to escape spy syndrome

[@Trazel_Apeally]

Love that your fight between that soldier was broken up by a sniper on each team, Y'all got told to 'break it up' at the same exact time and I adore it so much. 5:40

[@twichsterplayz]

"This is a bit of a blowout and I pretty bored but this game is awesome!" Amazing words uncle dane

[@Krunkidile]

I remember all stock weapons tf2. It was fun playing as the exact same guy as the guy next to me, but sometimes, we had a different gun.

[@fakeskyler2305]

Honestly, this was pretty fun. Really evened out the playing field. Sent me right back to 2008.

[@LuisEn20005]

14:48 MAN I WAS EXPECTING MY "TIO DANE THEME" AND YOU COME WITH THIS??!! DAMN, HAHA TROLLED LIKE 2007

[@TanteiRotana]

This was really fun to watch it felt like you were just having a (no) load(out) of fun

[@francisvencilao9448]

I decided to play MvM when it happened, we were all confused, but we played nonetheless, it was the hardest MvM game I've ever played, yet the most fun we (the strangers I was playing with) had

[@BrickiestBrick]

Ah yes, the 2007 Update, best update since 2007

[@amber.mp4]

probably the most chill dude in the tf2 community. keep being that shining light, dane!

[@itsssuper]

12:35 the wrench hits sync with the music a bit, love it

[@frozenironforge5133]

I started playing TF2 back on the orange box on the ps3 servers. These last two days without items was so incredibly fun! A huge throwback to those early days. Stock loadout absolutely needs to be a game mode

[@ME0WMERE]

just like vsh or zombie infection or mannpower, stock tf2 as a game mode would lose its novelty and die very quickly

[@senatorarmstrong3032]

I miss tf2 ps3 but there's tf2 Xbox so you can always do that

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

@@senatorarmstrong3032 I'm pretty sure PS3 grenade launcher still had 6 pipes while xbox had it nerfed to 4 because they got updates earlier. Crazy to think how early they nerfed it.

[@daydreamiq]

I lowkey had a blast with this. An entire day of everyone being stock really made it a lot less obvious who was a f2p or not which left you guessing instead of it being obvious at a glance

[@haphmiler]

I started playing TF2 in 2010, so there were a few weapons out but not a ton. Definitely had a similar vibe to this though. Ended up being fun! It's crazy that if Valve actually announced this as an event people would actually go out of their way to play it.

[@alexanderkeenan7466]

Uncle Dane, you are one word and that word is: amazing.

[@BackInMyDayProductions]

For me personally, I don't mind all the items being gone. I already play TF2 with a 2007-2010 asthetic with my game settings and often play with stock weapons only, and even I made a video in my channel during the item servers being down with the settings on and it's extremely comparable to 2007 tf2. I'm a type of guy that is stuck in the past so I just enjoyed the 2 days of all items being unaccessable.

[@DrPeeper]

Wait can you show me the config?

[@mcmlii.v]

​@@DrPeeperIf I had to guess: No Hats Mod with a Stock (or close to Stock-styled) HUD and a config that doesn't make the game look like it was released on the original PlayStation or GameCube.

[@DrPeeper]

@@mcmlii.v i think it's a config that makes it look like the original pc release only

[@BackInMyDayProductions]

@@DrPeeper There is no config, my latest video with the item servers being down is completely vanilla. I just did a lot of tweaking in the settings.

[@BackInMyDayProductions]

@@mcmlii.v my game is completely vanilla, no mods. The hud change is done by disabling the "Team Status Display" in the advanced settings, it turns the bar thing on top of the screen from displaying team status to the original round timer only.

[@nolle]

it's really telling that people still chose to play the game regardless, such dedication

[@kainaris]

tbh i wouldn't be surprised at all if MORE people decided to play during that time

[@inthefort6003]

@@kainaris there was actually a big spike in players that day when people found out what was going on. I assume lots of old heads who wanted a taste of the old style TF2. It was lots of fun

[@Pietowndude]

2008 Xbox 360 TF2 with friends was incredibly fun. I miss those days.

[@ipaqmaster]

2007 TF2 enforced through item servers being down once a year is always a refreshing experience

[@Bon__Gripper]

This experiment helped me learn a lot about my playstyle as a Comp player, i got more used to being less mobile and not relying on gunboats and the crossbow to help, I also found myself playing height and holding it better than i normally would, Also stock pyro is powerful

[@Nikkibuh]

personally i felt like pyro was easily the weakest class full stock

[@koboldcatgirl]

@@Nikkibuh Pyro may be stronger because healing is weaker. No Crossbow means fewer people even _want_ to play Medics, losing the Jag/Gunslinger means Dispensers are rarer, and no Sandvich. Heavy is a big counter for Stock Pyro, but Heavy is pretty nerfed under stock, so there are fewer Heavies. Which also means more Medics decide to pocket the Pyro instead, so big bonus.

[@Nikkibuh]

@@koboldcatgirl Every soldier had a shotgun. I saw a decent amount of reflect kills, but honestly i never saw pyro do much of anything without being able to combo or even spam DOT at range with flares. There were definitely less engies and medics, but there were still engies around- and pyro can't do shit about sentries even with unlocks.

[@ExternalDialogue]

I had a lot of fun playing stock pyro. I had really undervalued the shotgun.

[@tiagobelo4965]

​@@Nikkibuhwell yeah, it's a team game, not every merc needs to be able to do everything, there are 3 classes partially specialised in destroying buildings, let them handle it.

[@OfficialAlfiethegamer]

Uncle Dane never feels like Uncle Dane when he's doesn't have the jag equipped

[@Swcher]

This is the first time I have ever heard someone mention Barnes And Noble, childhood memory unlocked

[@Doodle128]

“I don’t wanna!” - Valve employees

[@epicfilmtime2508]

I played a lot of stock engie while the item server was down. My favorite part was knowing that there were no dead ringer, diamondback, or kunai spies. And also everyone RP'ing like it was 2007/2008.

[@samueltrusik3251]

I love this. I want this to be an occasional event.

[@abnorc8798]

I didn't play TF2 much at all when it had just come out, but my dad did! I watched him play it, and I still remember that old menu screen with just the background image and the text options. I also remember the first time that I saw an alternate item. I think it was the direct hit, so I must have not been paying attention to the update notes at the time. I saw that an enemy was using it, and I wondered "where did he get that?"

[@terrability4911]

Ok the funniest thing is by the time you uploaded this the servers were back

[@Yikes6571]

12:36 - 12:40 The synced-up wrench swings with the background music brought me immense joy, and I don't know why

[@Tumeq]

I started playing in 2009, Soldier vs Demoman event. It was *almost* stock experience, at best one first wave unlock and rarely seen hats, 1 option for each class, I believe.

[@backlogbuddies]

Soldier vs demo is bost bonk, jarate, and tons more. It was not close to stock at all. It was when lots of my friends quit because the game strayed so far from stock

[@godman0649]

Thanks uncle dane, i rewatxhed your hot takes vid and you are the one that allowed me to enjoy playing the funny german, medic

[@HermesSonofZeus]

As someone who is on Uncletopia all. the. time., I would definitely enjoy stock mode servers as an occasional option.

[@sp7318]

We really went back in time to the first TF2 update to get hats off the MENU.

[@marshspy]

That’s right we went back in time to the first TF2 to get HATS OFF THE MENU

[@wikiwedia]

We went back in time to the first TF2 update to get hats off the MENU.

[@marshspy]

@@wikiwedia goddammit I missed the update

[@anthonyradford8605]

I played this game since the beginning. Not only do I remember all stock, I remember the sentry being the only building you can level up and not being able to pick them up

[@Introbulus]

December 25th 2008. I got the game as part of the Orange Box a year after it came out for Christmas. You still couldn't rotate sentries back then, and the unlocks were almost non-existent. Even hats wouldn't come out until the following year. I have one of the *original* Gibuses. I still boot this game up once in awhile just for fun. It hasn't gotten old on me.

[@findlaysa]

I played at release and this really did give a lot of nostalgia seeing a stock server again. Bizarre seeing it on a payload and king of the hill map though (2 game modes that were not yet around back in 2007) - probably the first time i have ever seen koth with no hats. The game really has come so far and grown so much - to think the whole evolution started with the medic update that added weapons (only available through achievement unlocks) and the goldrush map as THE ONLY official payload map - you just couldn't patch a game and release a new game mode today with only one map.