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[@MrKaiju-sr8wu]

At least this OP realised his wrong doing. You can’t say the same for certain... other OPs *Looks at the Ross files OP*

[@multifan1644]

Lmao I was totally misunderstanding your reference to the Ross Files because I felt like Ross was just someone who just wanted to do cool stuff with his characters no matter how often it failed and the OP for those stories was being a dick about it. I thought you were making fun of Ross and not the OP for those stories, I need more coffee. In my opinion the OP for this story went too far, and I think things mostly worked out the way he said they did, but probably with a lot of other real stuff being sorted out between him and the group.

[@generaldreagonlps6889]

Oh yeah. OP was definitely the problem in those. Ross was just an idiot.

[@hollowblaze2320]

Ross files was still entertaining to listen

[@multifan1644]

@Kayla Howard I can understand that, which is why I don't hate OP for the Ross files. I felt like he was a Dick over how ross played D&D. Whatever their problems as roommates and friends were shouldn't have been an issue at the table in my opinion.

[@MrKaiju-sr8wu]

@Kayla Howard I understand that, but still. He also acted all arrogant towards people who called him out in the comments to that post

[@natkatmac]

I'll go against the grain and defend OP's pettiness here. He had malicious motives but his actions were prosocial: becoming the wizard player they needed, encouraging them to DM, running his own campaigns that they found fun, etc. It's because of his pettiness that these guys saw other, better ways the game could be played. If he had just left, the others wouldn't have had the encouragement and support necessary to spread their wings.

[@Ekair42]

I agree, even if his actions were out of maliciousness, his deeds were positive

[@mushroomanjcc1954]

Yea some people are too stupid to look a the grey parts of morality. I was surprised by all the idiots calling him an awful player. Petty? Sure, but no where near awful

[@Azurefanger]

if someone tell me roll a dice every action i made i will left that table inmediatly is like the guy telling the rogue with 12 int and rivalry vs goblinoids that is character dont know what a goblin is

[@dewae3254]

the diplomatic approach is a very nice one but hoo boy the eat shit and die approach is fun

[@josegar30]

Ah a the end justified the means scenario

[@hiropisku1078]

I love this story arch. He went from being blinded by rage to realizing what he was doing was wrong, resulting in him actually making some nice players and friends. It's like a lone crusader finally put down his sword and living his best life. it was a nice to see a happy ending that didn't require revenge to feel satisficing.

[@PaintedLive]

Yeah sadly crit crab went at op and insulted him at the end without even acknowledging the fact that he changed for the better.

[@hunterrhoades1813]

It kinda feels like a dnd count of monte cristo story.

[@thebeanqueen1669]

Queue guts theme*

[@yourekindagay4180]

Character development

[@AlanisonYT]

But OP did get revenge. He successfully used the other guys and turned them against DM. But in a black and white world where someone has to be good and the other bad. The awfulness of the DM definitely makes OP look good by contrast. But I agree with CritCrab. I don't think either deserves any praise for their actions.

[@buckysgirl4945]

As wise man Stephen Hawking once said," a man who has to brag about his IQ doesn't mean squat".

[@chico2178]

Burn, Baby, Burn!

[@Bragemaster]

that is more ture then anything

[@EbonMaster]

YUP! If you cant think of a way to demonstrate to me that you're intelligent without flat out telling me a number defining it that may or may not be true/real and may or may not even be accurate then you're probably nowhere near as smart as you think you are.

[@bashkillszombies]

To people with an IQ that low they cannot coherently write their insult about IQ's perhaps.

[@bashkillszombies]

@@Bragemaster Another high IQ here, it seems.

[@morningstarcollective4671]

I didn't expect OP to get self aware and *STAY* self aware, that was incredible.

[@staceybrougham3758]

Just had to say this real quickly, but at the start critcrab says that the girlfriend took the bad DMing pretty hard. My interpretation of the first story is different. It’s wasn’t the bad DMing that upset OPs girlfriend, it was the sexist patronising of the DM that hurt her. When they met the DM both OP and the girlfriend explained that they were experienced players, but the whole session the DM was talking to her (and only her) like a beginner. Like the part where oldboy said to her “it’s your turn to attack now. Roll the D20. That’s the one with the most sides and the number 20 on it”. They told them that she had played, but he treated her like a kid. It’s like how the gate keepers and incels in the D&D community say things like girls aren’t smart enough to play D&D. Most of the community is great! I’m a woman and I’ve met very few of these sexist players, but I know they exist. So yeah, I just wanted to correct that first bit. It wasn’t Oldboys “bad DMing” that upset the girlfriend, it was him being a condescending sexist jerk.

[@mrroboshadow]

yeah thats pretty much what OP's gf said herself in a comment on the last part it was the condescension that just because she was a girl that she had to have every single thing spelled out, even after explaining that she knew her stuff

[@theuncalledfor]

Which is why OP was completely in the right for trying to get revenge, even if helping the other players was only a side effect rather than the goal.

[@ElizaGWR]

As someone who has literally had to deal with players saying to me when I was the DM "We don't have to listen to you, you're a girl. What do you know about D&D?" Yeah there are several sexist jerks in the D&D community and OP was in the right to take Oldboy down for being a sexist jackass.

[@mushroomanjcc1954]

Jesus, I remember when sexists didn't even let girls sit at the table. Now if you're condescending at all, your a misogynist sexist so on and so forth. Pathetic

[@gamemasterreviews630]

Shoot women usually write better more thorough backstories

[@aetriandimitri190]

I like how op went through some character development and left his vengeance behind, and he made friends out of it

[@mr.preston1632]

The vengeance came back apparently

[@aetriandimitri190]

@@mr.preston1632 There's a new part?

[@smugscylla4481]

If DM was wearing the official dungeon masters costume he would have had absolute Authority.

[@FreedomAndPeaceOnly]

Originally the DM means DungeonMaster. Dungeons are generic evil places most of the time. A very bad or evil DM, is kind of a more genuine DUNGEON Master as just a... yeah... _" Game Master "_ which the role actually functions as.

[@darienb1127]

5:15 "He spent so long starting fires, he couldn't stop and look past the smoke." that a really good quote, i'm gonna use that from now on!

[@mstieler8480]

"Well, I have a reptile intelligence, so your concepts of right and wrong aren't the same as mine." Was he saying this IC, or OOC? lol

[@nocount7517]

Either way, the first few words are entirely accurate.

[@jacobrivera9071]

The funniest yt comment I’ve even seen

[@LadyTerelle]

OP's girlfriend seems to have commented on the original thread, she said she's running her own group, she's still with OP, she didn't return to Old Boy's campaign of her own accord and she spends enough time with OP, and she's friendly with the other guys at the table. All's well that ends well I guess?

[@mrroboshadow]

and yet people seem at once too obsessed in wanting to know why she didnt play with the group that had the rude asshole or if op was blocking her from joining again and not obsessed enough to actually go to reddit and read that surprise surprise people in relationships dont have to do every single thing together

[@ArmageddonEvil]

@@mrroboshadow I am like, She wouldn't want to be told 'you're a girl stop playing D&D' by a sexist asshole again. And Oldboy was a sexist asshole. lol And her boyfriend, the OP was a hero that those players deserved because Oldboy [DM] was the true villain.

[@JETBLACKPRIEST]

Not as bad as it could have.

[@SMooreArtDesign]

My favorite comment from the Reddit: "It turns out the big bad evil was the dm, and the adventure was the friends you made!"

[@BreadGuy01]

"Perceived slights?" Nah man, Oldboy knew what sexist bullshit was coming out of his mouth, he needed a slap. For me, OP initially was a little over the top, but I won't deny I loved how he went about it, and eventually cooled off. Especially crafting a character specifically to counter Oldboys "challenges". That's beautiful. That said, he got to share stories of stupidity and awful DM-ing with his girlfriend, and you gotta love bonding over other people's stupidity

[@PriyaPans]

Yeah. Personally I think it's ridiculous how OP didn't notice the sexist comments towards his GF - makes me worry that it's only ever victims that notice these things and not bystanders. Plus, getting players to try dm-ing develop their interests too and opening up their worldview of DND is not a bad thing either. Edit (typo)

[@WlatPziupp]

@@PriyaPans It really reminded me of my worst qualities, which I've been working on for a long time and hope I've solved Just not noticing really blatant mistreatment when you're both in the same group is uncommon. It's really inconsiderate, and I mean that in the very most literal sense. He wasn't considering her, at all really, instead he was enjoying himself with some new friends and focusing his attention on them and himself, everyone but her really. Reminds me of some bad times. Hope their situation isn't much like mine was, but man it's sad

[@PriyaPans]

@@WlatPziupp you'd be surprised how many guys seem to not pay attention to upset, when they're having fun. And some don't notice sexism at all, because it's so ingrained

[@WlatPziupp]

@@PriyaPans Yeah it's... not great. I've seen it a lot, in myself and others, and most of it is completely unconscious. It's like notes on the fridge, just melds into the background and becomes invisible. Learning to notice it is hard and weird, like finding a good place for a semicolon. Takes a lot of practice, and that practice should begin in early childhood for everyone

[@doodleferp8158]

Don't forget that Oldboy knew he had flu-like symptoms during the beginning of the pandemic and was still going around to other people. I was heavily middle of the road until that reveal happened, then I was completely in OP's favor.

[@darienb1127]

What pisses me off about Oldboy the most is that even though he had flu-like symptoms, he PURPOSELY put others in danger due to his own apathy. I don't care how bad how bad his DMing was, that's the real sign of how bad of a person he is. Like, if he didn't know, that would be different. but he fucking did it anyways!

[@redpyre]

This is the part that had me- is realizing "well maybe his power tripping aside he really was their friend and OP should go lighter on him" to finding out Oldboy was a ratlicker son of a shit and losing all that sympathy for him in the span of two minutes

[@sabrinaicestaff]

I agree, in these times if you have IT and know you do....getting close to anyone is the same as committing manslaughter. IT sticks to you and can be passed on to anyone, so if your family or friends have compromised/weakened immune systems...they're good as dead. Those who don't care about the consequences are the ones you need to watch out for

[@kimielle]

But he had a 162 eye queueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[@darienb1127]

@@kimielle yeah, negative.

[@MogofWar]

Dude gives grognards a bad rap. I swear so many "Old school grognards" make people "roll in order" just to hide their sadism behind "Well that's just how it was back in the day..." No it fucking wasn't. Gary fucking Gygax himself, did the 4d6 drop the lowest house rule, and let players assign their scores to the stats of their choice. The 3d6 down the line method SPECIFICALLY STIPULATES you roll your stats first, THEN pick your race, THEN pick your class... And that method was primarily used for NPC generation. (Original ruleset, let players assign their stats after generating the array of 6 scores by 3d6) This guy wasn't old school. He was just an asshole.

[@guncannon109]

Gotta disagree with you Crab, sounds to me like OP was getting along great with the players in the campaign which makes this whole thing an act of revenge for his girlfriend and seperating a group of genuinely fun players from one toxic individual. If I were in this situation? I'd more than likely do something similar.

[@redpyre]

I wasn't really big on either Oldboy or the OP in part 1, and hearing him feel remorse over being so petty made me go "Yeah, you were an ass" and actually get some sympathy for Oldboy. Then it turns out that Oldboy was not caring about spreading illness around and suddenly I couldn't give a shit about Oldboy at all. What a strange rollercoaster ride of a story that left me feeling a bit emptied out and not sure what I was to get out of it at the end

[@sarahmesser6056]

Yeah if he's trying to push disease as a matter of getting this done then you see what I see, this is just a power trip.

[@greatjagras6381]

In what way was OP an ass? Because honestly. I don't see it. It feels like he did more good for the party, and hardly anything petty.

[@redpyre]

@@greatjagras6381 I mean there's manipulating a bunch of innocent people and trying to sabotage their recreation to get back at one person but you do you brosky

[@williamknox6648]

@@redpyre as OP explained they were never actually having fun with OldBoy and OP brought that back into the group, while getting rid of Oldboy

[@redpyre]

@@williamknox6648 I'm aware of that, but nothing OP was doing was actually constructive, like asking head on if they were okay, but just jerking him and them around and being petty and slowing the game down more (the maps)

[@windfurygoburr]

I don’t think op was acting childish at all. Dude was like a cia agent undercover to make a criminal tear down his own empire. A child is going to go for instant revenge. He played the long game and ultimately succeeded in saving everyone. Literally a movie script from Hollywood

[@AtodaK]

I hope OP's girlfriend found a game if she was looking for one. Her bad experience with the initial session was the reason cited for OP to declare a holy war against OldBoy after all. It'd suck if she lost out on D&D while her partner was off gaming out of spite.

[@mrroboshadow]

she posted a comment on reddit in the last part she pretty quickly found other groups to play with

[@solouno2280]

Can we call OP "Punisher" or "Dean"?

[@andrewreiter5664]

This is one of those stories where the protagonist is relatable because they're petty and later question it. I think it's fairly easy to see that just leaving the group and find other people to play with would be the mature thing to do. But if it happen to you, would you want to take revenge? The story inadvertently examines the lower road that would otherwise be avoided. It's what we wonder about and even wish we did. I'm not going to advocate for people to be petty nor claim some people deserve bad things happening to them. I do have a moral problem with these things. However, I feel that denying our desires for revenge isn't healthy for ourselves or the people around us. We're humans, moral actors, our choices aren't extremely different from one another and to me there's a degree of acceptance of people's want to be bad.

[@ZhangRed]

agreed

[@AngelofEresos]

I think the primary gross action was manipulating the others. The DM being vilified and pushed back against is something you can see in any CritCrab comments section, this guy's just biting back before it goes to print. Giving the DM hell is karmic, and arguably necessary. But, I'd say coaxing his future friends in directions solely intended for that end is the only earnest failing he has to apologize for. But he does. And it ends well. I'd say he did alright with this. Regardless of the emotions that motivate, I'd say there's little sin in repelling tyranny. If he kept it cleaner and less ruthless, we honestly wouldn't even be questioning his morality.

[@theoriginalsoundwavesurfer1814]

It might be the Hufflepuff in me, but I side with OP in this. If someone hurts someone I care about, even just emotionally, I will do what I can to get some level of retribution... Within reason and within the bounds of the law.

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

"We were all level one and I started to scream internally." Understandable. "Because of Old Boy." ..oh.

[@KyurekiHana]

I still start players in my games at level 1, although I'll usually power them through to level 3 in a few sessions. I basically want to give players time to ease into their characters, and during this time I'll allow them to change stuff so that it better fits the personality they're going for. Level one isn't meant to be stayed at for long, IMO, its just meant to allow character building to happen over time rather than all at once.

[@TheRaptureWillRise]

I hate starting characters off at lvl 1. I usually only do it if there are completely new players in the group, as it's important to understand how leveling works. But if they've played once or twice, I start everyone at lvl 3. Everyone having their subclasses really lets them be unique characters, I feel. It also gives a good amount of room for backstory. It let's people have a backstory in which they've already accomplished stuff, or got their proper training (like bard colleges, for example - how did they already have their specific bard college training, if they started at lvl 1? They retroactively go to college at lvl 3?). I hate when people insist on starting at lvl 1 for no reason.

[@alexandrews6256]

I love starting at LvL 1 for the baseline idea of what I want for my character, then to grow in strength and properly earn my seat of power Old boy sucks, because all those encounters are over leveled

[@KyurekiHana]

@@TheRaptureWillRise see, this is why I love 5th edition. You have the choice of starting out at varying power levels, with level 1 being barely above a commoner.

[@XvicvicX]

@@KyurekiHana barely? Even the most Basic spells are still quite rare, of course, according to the cenario (fr in this case), a mage lvl 1 can do crazy stuff, and you wouldn't see a commoner surviving a goddamn axe attack and not even flinch like a warrior with second wind.

[@jimneville5774]

I just listened to Part 1 this morning. I’m glad I didn’t have to wait for the resolve. Keep up the good work Crit Crab

[@KingGlizz]

Same here, wild

[@fireboaserpent]

Same

[@matkac300]

He just reads... Read his or other dnd reddits if u think its hard work..

[@rejd24]

@@matkac300 he did say good work not hard work.

[@samwhary5498]

Did what you did, and glad I did lol

[@ryanbritten6784]

See I was down for the petty. Oldboy hurt a person he cares about and clearly wasn't the sort of person getting revenge on would be simple so a long revenge ark is cool, he made new friends anyway so he was invested in the group after a little while. Ask yourself if you saw something that was harmful to other people would you stop it? Oldguy showed abusive tendencies and once the group realised how good D&D could be they dumped him when he showed he wasn't about to change. Is OP a knight in shining armour? No, but I still agree with him.

[@maximusprime6768]

OP wasn't the hero they deserved, but the one they needed, unless the quote is the other way around? Either way, he wasn't a white knight but still managed to help a group of players deattatch themselves from an unhealthy person. It's clear to see who is morally in the right, despite the opinion Crit Crab and most comments seem to have.

[@stevenle9960]

Honestly I think he could have wasted less time if he had just asked the other players how they felt about Old boy in private earlier

[@sarahmesser6056]

Yeah this guy got off on a lot more on starting trouble than actually fixing the game

[@hopeatlast9617]

Who would win Actual communication between DnD players and their DM. Or One petty boy.

[@dungeonmaster217]

Or not. There was an option that they will answer something like "idk, but he is our friend and we have played with him for so long". And in that case OP would actually look like plotter and manipulator since he is new to the group.

[@williamknox6648]

@@dungeonmaster217 precisely. Subtlety is key

[@natkatmac]

@@dungeonmaster217 They likely had no idea how bad it was until the new guy came in and encouraged them to experience games that didn't involve Oldboy. It finally gave them a point of comparison to see just how much better things could be.

[@WolfyFancyLads]

The Godfather comment made me wish there was a parody skit of this where the literal Godfather is sat at the table. Things like "You roll a six, today, on the day of my daughter's wedding?" and such. :P Also, Christ, it sounds like a teen movie about revenge and friendship. XD

[@MarinaAstraAngel]

God I just feel bad for how many people old boy might have given covid to by still driving people around.

[@japan100100]

It was never confirmed he even had covid though. Just flu like symptoms. There's a thing called the flu. It exists, and always has existed. Not every sneeze or sniffle is reason to ostracize people like they have leprosy.

[@coletongross7951]

Depends on your age and health. I’d still avoid a friend if they had the flu, even before covid. I hate the flu

[@coletongross7951]

Also kind of a dick move to hang out with your friends while possibly having the flu

[@japan100100]

@@coletongross7951 It wasn't that much of a dick move in the past. Unless someone was bed ridden, people have always hung out even if they have the sniffles or a sneeze. The flu isn't a death sentence for most people. The same goes for covid. The flu has never bothered me since I pretty much never get it in the first place, which is funny because I never get the flu shot. The extreme reactions people are having nowadays isn't a product of the society we grew up in. It's something that's been instilled into us by certain sources that have been quite active this last year or so.

[@coletongross7951]

Man idk about you but it’s always been a dick move. I like my friends but if I’m gonna end up sick then they can stay the fuck home and not spread it to other people, which would be the civilized thing to do

[@dungeonmaster217]

Genuinely feel happy for the OP. He could confrond this DM from the start, and he could try to talk about all the problems, but Oldboy could also turn the players against the OP. So at the end if OP got his new group as DM and they had fun together, I think it was worth it.

[@GuardianTactician]

I don't get why the OP thought he was being manipulative and petty, though I probably just missed that detail. His intentions were to get a bunch of stangers to stop playing D&D with an abusive DM who made game time miserable for everyone but himself. And his means were to... be a useful player, be a good DM for them and encourage them to try their own hand at DMing.

[@risottopose9970]

People only have a problem with it because his motivations were to teach the DM a lesson, but I think the OP was in the right

[@sarahmesser6056]

Vop is just trying to push his personal agenda over a very old DM that he had issues with. This is a power play simple and truthful. If he was truly trying to help people wouldn't he be more convicted? He spent all the time half assing his way through it and wondered why the campaign had trouble?

[@maximusprime6768]

Yes, thank you. I honestly don't get Crit Crab or a lot of the comments reaction or reason for "op was in the wrong". The ends do sometimes justify the means.

[@reimu.shrine]

It's sort of like examining someone's motives for doing charity. We have this ideal in our heads that the greatest good you can do is to help people completely selflessly. If you're doing it because it makes you feel good or to get attention and praise, it is believed that you're not as pure as someone who gets nothing out of it but does it anyway. imo that's bullshit, nobody is that pure, the only thing that matters at all is that people were helped. What was going on in the head of the person doing it doesn't matter.

[@theuncalledfor]

His intention was to get revenge on the DM, helping the others was his chosen path of doing so. The problem is that everyone here has gotten the crazy idea that revenge is bad, even if it's motivated by a genuine wrong, the extent is appropriate, and it doesn't hurt anyone but the intended target. Moral cowardice is what it is. Disgusting. I am completely onboard with just getting revenge on the sexist old jerk.

[@DarthAxolotl]

I can't be the only one who didn't think op was being too petty. Old boy was a bad dm, the players assume that he's a good dm because they've never seen different. Op tries to teach them the difference without openly slaging off the dm

[@alexisartfeild2807]

That depends largely on what one feels is 'too' petty. Thinking up and executing a several month long plan to 'steal' another DM's D&D group because he made your GF cry by being a dick to her, sounds a little like carton villain stuff. Being motivated to expose a terrible DM's many faults and actively offering the players a 'better' (agency, balance, choice, impactful) game experience, because he was so bad he hurt one you love, sounds a little like a firefighter going into danger to save others. IMHO OP took a little from column A and a little from column B. And fortunately, stopped themselves before going too deep into column A. So, mostly came to doing a good thing for bad reasons. At least until the bit about Oldboy knowingly exposing everyone to a potentially deadly virus (Even the seasonal flu is one, just not nearly on the scale Covid), if true Oldboy was/is a sh!t person and OP did them all a huge favor.

[@mr.preston1632]

I mean at first nah he wadnt, at the end, yeah

[@left4shred406]

Yeah the Op was nowhere near as childish as crab was saying they were.

[@YouW00t]

Good thing OP had his character arc that made him choose friendship over vengance. Oldboy, though? Not so much.

[@jukesdtj656]

You know, I almost thought this was gonna start being wholesome after about 5 minutes in, but then I saw "3d6 for stats rolled in order after declaring your class" and it was then I realized that genocide was a small price to pay for salvation.

[@angrymelon8607]

Man if this is true, this is really sad by old boy and the OP. He ended up just playing dnd with the guy who made his gf cry even though he didn't enjoy the game. Revenge is a fools errand

[@KingNedya]

@Alfonso The Lie Weaver It does seem a little strange that after they kicked Oldboy out (or even before then, while he was recovering), they never brought OP's girlfriend back. Overall, I'd still believe that OP is telling the truth, and that fact is just an odd curiosity, but then again, I tend to be pretty gullible, so I don't know.

[@diretarrasque7554]

@Alfonso The Lie Weaver Eh, it's not that strange. Once bitten, twice shy, as they say, and it's possible that she didn't want to play with the same group who were friends at the time with Oldboy and thus tolerating his behavior. We had a BF/GF pair at our not-so-friendly LGS in a similar situation: they had a bad experience, BF came back (he was perfectly polite, though, unlike OP) and GF didn't return until I took over as DM and started firmly enforcing respect as a table rule.

[@MatkatMeerkat]

@Alfonso The Lie Weaver If you actually look at the reddit thread, OP's girlfriend still plays with other people and happily DMs her own group. Since she's not involved with the Oldboy situation asides from the beginning, there's no point in bringing her up again.

[@ocinidolegna]

@@MatkatMeerkat i think there IS a point in bringing her up, because the post probably wouldnt exist without her. he went back to be petty once he found out how the DM had treated her

[@lliamthrumble]

I think the made my gf cry is either a lie or just an excuse to go on a vendetta... seems dumb to forcibly go to a game you hate with a dm you hate and tear it apart. Then justify it by demonising the other guy

[@RIVERSRPGChannel]

The DM should always try to work with the party

[@maximusprime6768]

I said it in the last video and I'll say it again here; OP was right. Oldboy was an ass, still is an ass, and even risked everyone's lives with Covid symptoms. Honestly I am glad OP helped everyone else to see the light, as i have seen many stories on this channel about abusive DMs who have managed to gaslight/guilt trip their players into staying anyway, and I have always thought "there needs to be someone who can set things straight". Well, now we have such a story :) And yet Crit Crab, you claim that OP is just as bad as the DM, despite all other previous stories you have covered having the same old bad DM but without someone to help the players? Go home Crit Crab, you're drunk.

[@privatizitat815]

I agree with what you said, but I feel like it was much better this way. I feel like it could have ended badly if they stayed with oldboy much longer. He didn't seem very, I guess mentally stable? At least ro me. He seemed like a guy that had the potential to some horrible stuff, but maybe I'm just misjudging him. Who knows? Still, I think it's better this way

[@sarahmesser6056]

One power Trip be getting another is not an answer it's just enabling the problem

[@_maliciousIntent]

​@@sarahmesser6056 no it doesnt

[@declanhuber4250]

This guy is the Indiana Jones of D&D horror stories. Just like the Raiders of the Lost Ark, whether he was there or not, the outcome would've been inevitable.

[@chico2178]

At least their was no crystal skull in THIS story. LOL.

[@brieb402]

Honestly, I'm not that bothered by OP. You can't tell me you don't sometimes wish these arrogant and egotistical DMs wouldn't get a taste of their own medicine every now and then. Granted, a revenge campaign over months is a bit much, but at least he wasn't hurting the party. He even improved their experience over time and got them into DMing, so I wouldn't say he was stepping on anyone (except the DM😅). I do wonder what this story would sound like from the DMs perspective though.

[@day-night-cycle2615]

The moment it it got to the Covid part, I went from 0 to 100 real fast. That kind of selfish negligence is mind blowing. Understandable due to the year it happened and hindsight is 2020, but at the same time HOLY SHIT At LEAST care for the people you're with. My god

[@CallenExile]

I'm with OP on this one. Oldboy had it coming.

[@binarydark4811]

Holy crap, OP had a whole character arc. From straight anti hero, to remorseful fellow, to hanging up his guns, to going back to business.

[@maqicool]

i'm someone who enjoys reading r/pettyrevenge especially when it's as satisfying as this story was so i'm all for OP honestly kudos to him and he helped some people grow and made some friends out of it. this is op's world and we're all just living in it

[@forestboy8]

It's good to learn this story has a happy ending. I'm really glad OP found out what he was doing was wrong from what I have inferred.

[@dripskylark6054]

Let me guess, those friends then lifted OP on their shoulders and shouted "Hooray" as the princess of the kingdom offered him her hand.

[@hopeatlast9617]

You almost got it right. Also r/thathappened

[@waydweaver7596]

Seriously. I love the part where OP realizes he is making himself out to be a tool, so he casual explains how he decided he was done being petty. Only to, unsurprisingly, continue the pettiness. Like, if this actually happened OP and dm are tools. But if it is made up, then OP is an even bigger tool.

[@tatersalad76]

Old boy died instantly, the crowd cheered, Obama was there,

[@sarahmesser6056]

This whole thing is a power trip. A new he had a campaign he could take over but lack the fortitude to actually do it and the shows he's just there to start trouble

[@apileofratz4131]

And then the monopoly man showed up, gave him a comically large bag of money, and congratulated him for being such a hero to these poor lost souls

[@luispalazuelos2455]

Just letting you know I subscribed because I found myself looking up "crab" over and over for Part Two, and now my reccommended is full of both crabs and d&d videos.... I am not complaining.

[@xan7292]

I agree that what OP did sounds like a tremendous waste of time and energy to me, but I will not begrudge another their gall on behalf of someone they care for. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, but some hills are worth shelling out for an eyepatch to some people.

[@ShinyAvalon]

That's a pretty cool way to express that thought. Kudos.

[@levisays7676]

12:29 honestly CritCrab i think OP is a Unsung Hero there needs to be more players willing to set their parties free from the Tyranny of Terrible DMs with control complexes❤

[@platinumfactor]

This feels like a nicer version of the Ross Files where the OP redeems himself, and there's a satisfying end.

[@Andrewtr6]

I just came from part one where I left a comment. My opinion has not changed about the OP. His heart was in the right place and I don't fault him for thinking he had to play a little dirty. OP never went out of his way to hurt the other players or make the game worse for them; I think he did the opposite. He got their gears turning, helping them realize Oldboy was not just a bad DM but also a bad person- Oldboy did help with that himself though.

[@randyranderson690]

All the D&D drama aside, exposing or potentially exposing people to possible COVID is a whole other level of psychotic dickery. People have been harshly dealt with for less.

[@YTNFSCC]

"i had my character hit things with rocks until they worked" - Character Moments that from an outside perspective seem hilarious and noteworthy but given context just make you sad.

[@1Raroy]

This is a very beautiful story of a man struggling against D&D realism, the assumption that the only reality is a bad game of D&D, and how there is no alternative.

[@Xiatter]

It strikes me as childish when people judge others for being petty. Especially when the pettiness was more than justified. Leaving might have been justified but so was staying considering the DM was trash to someone dear to OP, and when confronted only escalated the situation. Pigeon knocking the pieces off the board and all that. You say petty, I say improved several players' quality of life. Who cares if it was for selfish reasons, stllill justified. Or at least, more justified than the stuck-up jerk with a superiority complex.

[@ocinidolegna]

agreed

[@obi-wank-enobi]

Dude I'm loving your killer references in the first part you made a reference to the anti-hero being like Frank Castle (a.k.a the punisher) and now you made a reference to my favorite companion boone in one of my favorite games fallout new vegas I just discovered your channel a couple days ago (thanks to jocat and the KZbin algorithms) and I am absolutely loving it your commentary is nice and I genuinely love listening to you read out these stories and those little bits where you voice out a character are actually pretty good you have some decent voice acting skills Keep up the good work

[@Gilbals]

I remember my one act of game ruining. It was D20 apocalypse. Friend group, but the DM was always weirdly a dick to me or my characters because I was new. The first time I ever played a table top was from hanging out with the friends that played and just observing and enjoying, the tales of them during D&D. I finally was given a slip in character, that was admittedly me being dumb because I was completely new to it all. I guess that sparked the vendetta, even after years, my character was always a petty target of BS or would unfairly die, so my time had finally come. D20 Apocalypse, playing in the bombed out ruins of Knoxville, TN. The DM was very trusting and as long as we made characters there and other characters talked, there was no character review. They were introduced naturally and the character sheet was never looked at. Two of my friends however, had seen my character sheet and knew what would occur, because they knew the score. He also never cared about weight limits (this will come up). Knoxville, in this setting the DM had made was a trade hub, pretty much one of those few major settlements among the pockmarked, destroyed, mutant filled remnants of the US. This would change... I played a tech character, and as such was a scavver and jury rigger. I fixed stuff, made new stuff with stuff and tried to sell stuff. I was a partial mutant and only had one arm. Because of this, I used a sawed off double barrel, because this would be easier to reload when I needed to shoot. So, I was good at rigging, I was good at scavving, and I knew my way around explosive components. We'll fast forward to the shoe falling. On the outskirts of the city was a vamp den in a bombed out building, typical clear the nasties out dungeon. Well, it was time for the DM's bull to begin and had trapped me, it was time for me to die...but it was also time for everyone to die, as on my person was enough detcord and explosives to level half of Knoxville...and I deadmanned it. Game Over.

[@TheRobmcknz]

OP was completely justified in his petty revenge.

[@lawrencelopez9839]

honestly it sounds like op was overplanning to make an ice cube melt. Like, he bought a hair dryer and never used it, bought a torch and never used it until the ice cube melted on its own. He didn't even need to say he was planning something it felt like a natural progression specially after they had a taste of a game without old man as a dm.

[@burritodoggo122]

Heck yeah! CritCrab video on my bday! This calls for some celebratory burritos! 🌯🌯🌯🌯🌯🌯🌯🌯🌯🌯🌯🌯🌯

[@rotaderp88]

Happy birthday! 🌯🌯🌯🍻

[@monkeyman1255]

Burritochamp

[@dcgamer_14s.o.s.85]

Happy b-day! Enjoy your burritos xD

[@torhundal2182]

FOOOOd!!!!

[@atosm8300]

Happy Birthday

[@MarkovChains223]

I think OP was mostly fine. He didn't really *do* anything too obnoxious. He just helped his fellow players and justifiably, and minorly, annoyed a bad DM

[@reka10]

Yeah, that guy did fuck all for that vengeance. I was hoping for something crashing and burning but that was the most passive revenge story I have ever seen.

[@pixelapocrypha]

This is why it is so important to ask how people are liking the game. I always ask after session if everyone had fun and that's their chance to pull me aside before we split up (or message me later if they're not comfortable) to tell me if they didn't like something. Oldboy could've headed this off ages ago but he sounds like a "my way or the highway" type so I guess it was never going to make a difference even if he'd asked.

[@frankalphonso268]

“I don’t say this about a lot of players or dms but” bruh you run a horror story channel. Yes you do. It’s your job to call out bad gameplay. Love you critcrab ❤

[@sifayun6336]

I think the saddest part is that by doing all this, the original poster ended up D&Ding without his girlfriend in order to hang out with Oldboy.

[@shipper-of-heart8898]

OP started as a good guy, OldBoy was his corruption arc into becoming a villain, but then redeemed himself in the end

[@otalek9250]

*gearing up to be toxic* *wholesome by the end*

[@darthvaderreviews6926]

The true difference between Oldboy and the author is that Oldboy is genuinely just a shitty person _(as evidenced by his treatment of COVID and risking his "friend"'s lives)_ while the author is a decent person capable of feeling remorse, who apologised for his shitty actions. It's the difference between having problems, and being a problem. When you need to rely on people, it pays to know who's who.

[@silverbullet7691]

I’m glad that he came clean to the others of his behavior. Admitting that you were wrong to yourself can be hard but admitting it to others and accepting fault is even harder.

[@ForestskiesOfficial]

2:24 *instert a reptile dysfunction joke here*

[@WobblesandBean]

I've been chomping at the bit for three conclusion to this! I hope that wretched man gets what's coming to him 😂

[@mr.perfectcell1887]

Maybe the real revenge is the friends we made along the way.

[@reyofsoul]

That is a lot of moral posturing at the end when the end result is an old DM get kicked and a group find another DM.

[@Arcticmaster1190]

It took me a second to process the pettiness because it seems like OP just hasten the demise of a shitty DM. Then I realized that OP used the other players as a proxy and went “Oooh, right...” All and all, seems like one of those “two wrongs don’t make a right” but in this case, it was just the exception. Glad it got a happy ending but yeah, I don’t condone the tactics.

[@rossker123]

I had a DM like this for my first ever campaign. He was a younger guy, I played video games with him in college, but he basically told us we could go anywhere, and anytime we tried to go anywhere, do anything, or follow up on a plot thread we hit a wall. There was this strange dark storm that showed up every time we went somewhere he had no plan for (which was everywhere), and one day we had enough and everyone in the party just walked into the storm. That was that lol. Luckily I have found an amazing group now that I adore, and I DM for another.

[@FoxyBard]

Both of these men showed their entire asses in this story, damn. A feud like that is just going to make everyone upset the more it comes out. I'm glad it got a good ending, though. And yeah. Oldboy was absolutely a terrible DM.

[@SaltyRocksPew]

hey look its the algorithm person

[@FoxyBard]

@@SaltyRocksPew I'm everywhere! Flee in terror! (Or just watch my videos idk)

[@mr.preston1632]

In the middle and beginnning OP was terrible, but then that last part takes the cake ( for oldboy at least

[@aleksandrasmiksenas317]

I literally just finished watching part 1.

[@novanppp]

I do appreciate the fact that he is questioning his own actions to make sure he's doing the right thing, but putting a bully in their place who is actively trying to bully other people is never something to feel sorry about

[@Benu54321]

The only thing OP did wrong was not be upfront with other players. Oldboy was never in the right, and sadly, had probably never been called out for it. They weren't bad, just not the best they could have been.

[@phillip276]

Alright, I'll say it. OP did nothing wrong. People are complacent and they usually don't know better by nature. If he hadn't have gotten involved they never would have experienced a good game and they would have been stuck in a toxic friendship with a terrible person on top of being stuck in a shit game and they genuinely wouldn't know how bad things are. He saved them, plain and simple

[@theuncalledfor]

His motivations weren't wrong, either. The sexist jerk (oldboy) emotionally abused OP's girlfriend, how is that not grounds for justified revenge? And he chose ethical methods (helping the other players) as his means of executing his revenge.

[@RaphBlade7]

Props to OP for feeling bad and owning up to the other players about why he joined their group. While I will agree that he was being somewhat petty, he at least recognized that he was in the wrong for using the other players and eventually came clean! I also think that OP made the right choice in Oldboy DMing again, as it allowed the other players to see that they were better off without him after having experienced games without him DMing (in addition to seeing how bad a player he was)! Ultimately I think Oldboy getting kicked out was pure karma and that the dominoes were going to fall eventually, with or without OP!

[@dahelmang]

Some people have weird hobbies. Overthrowing a corrupt DM doesn't seem like fun to me, but different strokes for different folks.

[@dylanbeauhart9936]

I think OP over exaggerated the level of effort he put into manipulating the group, subterfuge is really not a complicated endeavor especially when no one suspects you of having ulterior motives, you can kind of just talk to people and they will think about what you say and relate it to their own experience, literally just voicing an opinion is effective subterfuge to undermine someone.

[@aniflowers1998]

Couldn't agree more with your end statement. I hate petty people like that, and that means quiet a bit concidering I'm a petty person myselfe who holds grudges in secret. But at least I don't drag others into them.

[@WobblesandBean]

Nah. Sexism and @$$holery should never be rewarded or tolerated. OP is a hero, as far as I'm concerned. I wish more men were like him, standing up to blatant misogyny wherever it occurs.

[@aniflowers1998]

@@WobblesandBean yeah, only thing beeing that there wasn't any sexism. The DM is an asshole, sure, but all he did was make sure they knew what they where doing. Which I would have done myselfe, becouse I know from experience that you can't trust people when they say "oh, I know what I'm doing. I played long enough!" And if you think op is a hero, you clearly never had to play with a player like that. They are anoying as fuck. If you have a problem with the dm, go and resolve that shit. Don't drag other people into your petty quest for "revenge" just becouse your girlfriend cried over something that you where to stupid to notice in the first place

[@TowerArcanaCrow]

@@aniflowers1998 no there was def sexism, that was what pissed him off initially. The couple both have roughly the same knowledge and exp of DND, yet the fatfuck incel has the nerve to talk to her and ONLY her like that? That's sexism pure and simple dude. I can call that shit right out and I'm a guy ffs

[@aniflowers1998]

@@TowerArcanaCrow gues I'm sexist towards my own gender than. Becouse I don't see any sexisn here xD First of, we have to go by the op's word that dm didn't act the same way towards him. And concidering that op didn't even notice dm acting this way towards his pressious girlfriend, I'm unsure if op would have even noticed dm acting that way towards him. Secound, even if dm only asked the gf these questions, there can be reasons for that. Maybe she just seemed more insecure or unsure of what she want's to do. That's a problem I often face: acting insecure and unsure about things that I'm normaly good at. Especially when new people are around. Thirdly, as far as op tells us, dm did with no word utter anything about the female gender. Nor did he make any indications that he didn't want girls to play. He didn't even bring in any npc's that where sexist, as far as op tells us. So yeah, I don't see a reason to cry here. Maybe to get frustrated since he treated her maybe a bit like a child, but to cry? Girl aperently never faced anything worse than beeing asked questions about her knowledge xD

[@Karol_generic_nick_ending]

History shows again and again how one of the most social games keeps attracting quite unsociable people.

[@callmequaz9052]

I've been looking forward to this sequel. Hope you're doing ok Crab :) 🦀

[@boltodj]

I had a guy once try to start a campaign doing that pick your class then roll your stats in order crap. I flat out looked him square in the rye and said "No. I'm not doing that." "But it is hilarious!" "No it isn't. Getting a shit set of stats for my class is awful (given how I am dice cursed this was especially likely). Failing at all of the things my class is supposed to be good at sucks. I'm not doing that. We do it normally or not at all." Should have been a sign, really. Guy turned out to be a special kind of douche.

[@mr.preston1632]

This guy is a mastermind at playing and managing D&D

[@johnkackley3838]

My biggest comment for OP would have been putting lady's enjoyment, before grandpas sadness. A DM and player who enjoys playing with their partner and after trying out a shitty group, having a choice of shitty group or nothing... I dunno, maybe he went through this because she decided to take a break from DnD. Otherwise it was exposing the group to the concept of enjoyment over being punished in a self aggrandizing slog and ultimately was beneficial for the others. So OP wasn't a villain but an anti-hero.

[@theimperviousfirecracker7934]

Forget the God of War games. Forget the count of Monty Cristo. This... this is the greatest revenge story.

[@YTNFSCC]

"Both my IQ and my height in centimeters is 160" - Isaay, Pokemon Ranger Shadows of Almia - Oldboy

[@aagh8714]

that game was dope

[@mrmaat]

Is this Abed? It’s ok, Pierce Hawthorn won’t play forever.

[@hquq77q85]

I almos felt in love for op.He knew that was pretty still do it in the best way and win at the end, and the catalina was his girlfriend. Some may say a guy getting revenge for his girlfriend it's sexist, and I it depends. In this case was amazing.

[@anthonynorman7545]

I would have left as soon as I heard the character creation method. That almost guarantees a terrible outcome. Hey, guys look at my orc wizard with 7 int!

[@CourierDan]

The class first and roll 3d6 in order? Interesting in concept. Roll for your race? HA! No.

[@Slushea]

The fact OP fixed himself is, cool

[@nomisunrider6472]

OP: Oh my god I was the asshole here, everyone was having a great time and I was just being petty for no good reason... Oldboy: Ha ha I gave everyone the plague.

[@laughingmask3118]

What he did wasn't sad, it was a matter of principle.

[@gray9818]

Honestly the randomized stats and races with the class being chosen beforehand would make for a fun one-shot

[@NixxNikoli]

OP is a king, Oldboy deserved his kicking

[@BlaxkSun]

This man went full Asura’s Wrath, “You made my Girlfriend cry😡!!!”

[@TerraDoctor]

OP did just fine! Honestly, other than initiating direct confrontation with a DM who seemed like he could've been a dangerous person in real life, these little manipulations saved the group. People are complacent creatures; those players seemed like they had gotten used to the bad DM and didn't know any better, until OP showed them. I just hope the GF found a group for herself or joined later, either way.

[@ocinidolegna]

agreed. also, in the original post i heard she replied in the comments and said she joined the group!

[@TerraDoctor]

@@ocinidolegna Good to hear! :D

[@maxboyden5209]

Wasn't expecting XCOM to show up

[@ianlawrence1576]

True character growth. Bravo.