Critical Close-up: Metal Gear Solid 4

[@KimoForce]

Ironic how MGS4 was a game Kojima didn't want to make until after fan response, and this is a review George didn't want to make until after fan response.

[@Tamacat388]

Kimo Force And both feel like the creators put half-hearted efforts into them.

[@greciasoleble]

The full circle comes to an end

[@GoodLosertjo]

you see it's like poetry you know that they rhyme...

[@xMasterSparku]

Good Loser hopefully it'll work

[@DJPsyq]

It’s apt. It’s not at all ironic. It is exactly what you would expect. Irony is not a funny coincidence.

[@AstroNomics23]

The protagonists being dismayed at the prospect of Ocelot achieving world peace will always be hilarious to me

[@timcosgrove707]

Is it peace if all the weapons are controlled by one guy? Or is it just a monopoly of force?

[@boarpsimson8675]

World peace via dictatorship. Great.

[@AstroNomics23]

@@boarpsimson8675 sounds better than world war via dictatorship tbh

[@dunkawunka2278]

​@@timcosgrove707 both!

[@LowSpecGamer]

And of course, we close 2017 with the most anticipated video of the decade. Bless you George.

[@NDragon89]

Nice to see you here Alex, I'm a huge fan of your channel as well as George's!

[@scribble71891]

I’ve been waiting for this for years! Cheers!

[@LowSpecGamer]

Now you have me googling PS3 emulators...

[@LowSpecGamer]

Superbunnyhop is one of my top 5 favorite channels.

[@SeanNaut]

Same! Such a good quality channel!

[@ARMTOAST]

it should have been fox die nice try

[@Scerttle]

OMG that's perfect!

[@tes_slamjam]

thank u so much i was trying so hard to think of one for mONTHS now. u did it gj

[@AviationHubOfficial]

Yes!!

[@umbaupause]

Oh, I thought of "Fox Die I lied" but this is superior...! :o

[@kleineblaueaugen]

Fox...? Die! ...Denied!

[@justbny9278]

The thing about the ID weapons was actually already stablished in MGS2 in the Plant section. The Coronel explains that Raiden can't steal enemies weapons because of it and weapons will have to be found on site due to it. It actually hints that Snake isn't with the Seals during the first Vamp Attack,as Raiden is able to shoot with his gun.

[@carcrashjayson]

13:52

[@justbny9278]

@@carcrashjayson yeah wild i jumped to comments so easily at that tim--WAIT 5 YEARS WTF

[@Snakethoot]

"Why did Snake spend the last decade getting good at CQC?" Well, according to a codec call with Otakon, Snake learned CQC from Big Boss himself, but he just didn't want to use it because he was so disgusted by him and everything that could relate to him. Yeah, that's an ass pull but it's still an explanation.

[@blitzkriegdragon013]

Not the worst ass pull I've heard of. It makes sense that Snake was trained in CQC, and adding that snake stoped using it as an excuse for the simple combat in previous games is pretty decent.

[@benlink202forever]

There are worse ass pulls in the MGS universe for sure.

[@Snakethoot]

Wrong Hawk, in MGS1 you can also grab the enemies. This gives you the option tu throw them, stun them or break their necks. It's not a matter of technical capabilities. Kojima just inventend the concept of CQC in MGS3 and it became a fan favorite. So not using it in MGS4 was out of the question. Therefore the ass pull reason of "I knew how to do it, I just didn't want to do it."

[@JohnSmith-co1zv]

Funny thing is CQB and CQC refer to the exact same thing IRL, so it could have been left unmentioned and no one would have noticed.

[@luminosity01]

@@uncanny-hector-1906 because the plot says so

[@rmwolfe_]

... i never put together that naomi dies in the same room as frank. ughghghhhhhh its like poetry, etc.

[@yakovhadash]

Rm Wolfe it rhymes

[@Pan_Z]

Rm Wolfe Really shit poetry

[@arbiter-]

It's like pottery

[@mrmijunte10]

It broke new ground!

[@camycamera]

There's so much happening on the screen at once. Naomi is the key to all of this.

[@Squibidyflop]

41:00 I see you shaking that controller!

[@Daniel-Rosa.]

Squibidyflop OH MY G... I NEV... AND I KNEW EXACTLY WHERE TO LOOK AT.

[@Dr.UldenWascht]

So was I ... Not the controller though.

[@RENZEENO]

Lol I didn't even know about this

[@annedrieck7316]

Ha rookie!

[@JimDeFran]

"I'm sure that Kojima doesn't actually know how dumb this stuff sounds in English." I don't think you could have put that any better.

[@JZStudiosonline]

It's cool coming back to this post Death Stranding where the dialogue is "cringe" because it's written in Japanese and puns like "Princess Beach" are inexcusable to western audiences.

[@momsspaghetti7171]

It's time, George. You reviewed them all, except one. Critical Close-Up: Metal Gear *SurVive* You are the only one who can pull this off.

[@MustafaTurgutDenizer]

Did he make the Peace Walker ? I couldn't find it.

[@fuzzydunlop1753]

No afaik he didn't do PW. Anyway, here's a review for survive: It's ass, the end.

[@MustafaTurgutDenizer]

@@fuzzydunlop1753 It's boring.

[@Abdultidus]

hhahahahahahhaha. im with u bro, come on George!

[@sonicecho4777]

did he do portable ops?

[@FlameOfUdun96]

I didn’t know you did movie reviews! (Original joke, I know)

[@PSVitaat2am]

Hey still works!

[@salokin3087]

You’re everywhere Who are you?

[@courperationX]

Actually this is the first I've heard that particular one.

[@xmm-cf5eg]

Still a more original concept than MGS4's plot.

[@SullySadface]

MGS4's final cutscene is literally 2 sandwiches and a beer run long

[@Raycevick]

I felt like I could watch this video forever and have no qualms. It's as entertaining as it is eye opening, and your point about fan service really hit home. The best thing you can do to service fans is to maintain your level of quality, not throw in cheap gimmicks that are less intelligent and funny than fan created projects.

[@NickHunter]

Also, giving the loudest fans what they supposedly want is generally not a good idea!

[@DavidWoods255]

Ooo Raycevick is a fan of the Bunnyhop? I'm not surprised - you're both amazing

[@gab_gallard]

Sup Lucas! Subscriber here! Never thought about a "Years later" series on MGS? I mean, I never thought about you doing that stuff because I didn't knew you liked MGS, but since you're here... :)

[@Daniel-Rosa.]

Raycevick That's true. We only become fans in the first place because someone, at some point, made something excellent that nobody asked for.

[@camycamera]

If you want an even more detailed analysis of MGS4 and its problems, you should also check out matthewmatosis's video on MGS4. It's more entertaining than watching the 6 hours of cutscenes of MGS4 on youtube.

[@anonecki]

Why did I sit through this? I haven't played a single MGS game in my whole life

[@paulj6805]

Never too late. I played them for the first time last year and they are all excellent games.

[@Stefano.C]

Don't worry, if you still don't have any interest at all, that's fine

[@whateverwhatever4026]

Arrest him!!!

[@srego7630]

Congrats, you got em all to get through

[@AKImeru]

I actually love this game. I do hate myself though.

[@Big-BossX]

Dont worry about it man you aint alone I hate you too

[@j.r.shartzer]

The idea that the first 3 games “feel like they wanted to be made,” is great.

[@pantsinorbit4387]

Kept us waiting, huh?

[@Ian-ky5hf]

The microwave scene was sad for me because I cared about Snake.

[@callum6224]

Well said

[@SushinokoLive]

This is probably the only one that tugs people a certain way. Yes this game is dumb but it exists and Snake is the Snake we have known and played as for years, so seeing him in such a state was always gunna suck

[@mistergremm735]

the main hammered message that i saw is everyone tired... Snake, Raiden, the support cast, The devolepers and Kojima for the new era, they grew old and can't always stay the same charamastic personality for long time

[@Requiemrexx]

Gorgeous Gremac The main theme of the story was coping with aging bodies in the face of unrelenting societal change to a future that doesn't concern them. That's what made the game so emotional to me. It was my first Metal Gear so I didn't get hung up on the fan service. It was a single, beautiful narrative for me that delt with an extremely interesting theme. George didn't bloody address that much at all.

[@triangleangle7544]

Requiemrex it's clear that he wasn't intressted to make Mgs4 Close up and refused until countless fans request and Patreon, yet he still added effort and the video was entertaining

[@justbny9278]

Requiemrex so... Getting old?

[@cognitivedissonance8406]

Listen to how these two stories introduce their characters: “Vulcan Raven, giant and shaman.” As opposed to: “This is Katana, she got my back.”

[@zyxluz4645]

"her sword captures the souls of its victims"

[@brandongonzalez6277]

"I used to be an anime otaku."

[@WisteriaNerium]

Brandon Gonzalez Otaku has a different meaning on Japan than the rest of the World, mainly because the concept wasn't adapted well with full context, on Japan it simply means someone obssesed over something, not just anime

[@ohamatchhams]

@@WisteriaNerium Yeah it's used to plainly a term in Japan for "nerds" than as a term outside Japan as to refer to someone that obsessed too much over anime or something

[@alpgiray9118]

_didn't we all..._

[@x6dingle6x]

I see you're a man of culture as well.

[@TheRealProudNoob]

Once an otaku...

[@Gonkers20XX]

Damn, MGS4 will turn ten years old this year.

[@Abdega]

I know how to make self-assembling nano-structures Does that count?

[@gabrielledebourg2487]

Now it’s also 5 years after the future the game was set in.

[@lanni5]

I checked

[@EvanSchatz]

@@lanni5 Vamp is here....

[@SliversRebuilt]

Miles Highson you guys remember Vamp? Well he’s here.

[@smjaiteh]

God DAMN IT George! It’s five in the morning, I only got up to pee and I gotta go to work at nine!

[@cika3leches]

Sambou Jaiteh Same here, man

[@GodDamnRider]

U work in new year's day??

[@smjaiteh]

GodDamnRider New Years Eve here

[@SullySadface]

Can't tell if your life is amazing or sucks dude

[@mohabiraq1]

Actually it's 5:30

[@antoinemilien6864]

You have no idea how many years I have waited for this review!

[@errigog2151]

Confession time: I was one of the fans who wanted to know who the Patriots were. I agree that until the credits of mgs2 their identity wasn't relevant, but in the call after the credits the player discovers the data regarding the names of the Patriots that snake and otacon acquired were false. If this didn't happen I would have thought "the Patriots are some old guys we don't know, snake deals with them offscreen, the end" but the inclusion of that final conversation made me think there was a reason they were still hiding the Patriots' identities. I also like the fact that the cast from mgs3 is revealed to be the Patriots, it shows that people don't do evil things because they're inherently evil, but because their goals get distorted along the way. I understand why people didn't like the revelation though, it is a bit too much of a coincidence to have every character in the series be connected in some way.

[@TheGudStuffs]

Deborah Meltrozo it was one of the most underwhelming reveals for me, for sure.. They went from sinister, creepy (amplified by the bugging out AI) and shrouded in mystery to those guys, because of “fuck this, don’t want to make this sequel, cant be bothered to write the backstory for these guys so let’s just make these guys the patriots”

[@jiifigmentforever]

I at least liked it because of Zero alone. Zero, despite being a bit of a goofball, seemed like he knew more what was going on in the background and knew more than he was letting on compared to the amateurs that came with him. Also, Sigint made sense to be the DARPA chief since I think that was planned in there already?

[@supremeworld87]

@Deborah Meltrozo they were never goofballs.

[@javiercasimirojr3553]

I understand why there may be so much hate due to retcons and whatnot. The huge coincidence of the patriots being the team from operation snake eater was definitely a curveball for me knowing the way they were in mgs3 but I have 2 things to say about the outcry from fans about this: 1-people change over time and the experiences they go through, and we are talking about 54 years between mgs3 and mgs4, from 1964 to 2018 a lot can happen. Simply between snake eater and operation intrude n313 there are about 30 years in between. If we have come to accept that the hero who was given the name big boss for saving the world and averting ww3 descended into a war monger who threatened the world, why is it so farfetched to accept that the team that supported him in this endeavor in spite of their good intentions created an organization that would take a life of its own and create the war-bound world of mgs4? Not to mention all of this was to fullfill what they believed was the boss's will which is why Big Boss was also a member. 2-coincidence as it may have been, the identies of the founding members of the patriots served to converge all of the storylines from previous entries to this one and bring them to an ultimate conclusion. Would we as fans have preferred that the patriots or their founding members never be revealed, especially after the final conversation in mgs2? Or on another note, would it have been more satisfying that the patriots be characters that have nothing to do with the existing cast, requiring the shoehorned introduction and development of them as the big villains of the franchise, even when a strong point of the mgs series is that the physical villains are not necessarily the ultimate villains?

[@javiercasimirojr3553]

@abels121 the issue with this argument is that Skullface made his debut in MGSV the entry after MGS4

[@CoolSmoovie]

Best thing about this game was the PMC enemy designs. I can’t get enough of it.

[@the_echoYT]

All I'm saying is that nobody had a problem rationalizing Big Boss's descent from a charismatic James Bond-type into a nuclear-powered warlord. But then it's a big problem when his support team collaborates to create a united world which ultimately gets out of hand and devolves into a decades-long proxy war with said warlord and his legacy after they have a falling out over a difference in the interpretation of The Boss's will. I think a lot of people see "The Patriots" and read "the villains of MGS." But that's not really true, is it? The Patriot AI in MGS2 and 4 certainly are villains, but the war economy that the AI installs is not the future that Zero or his colleagues desired. They aren't moustache-twirling cartoon villains. They simply paved the road to hell with good intentions. Zero created the Patriot AI to keep his work alive when the Patriots themselves were gone. In the absence of any authority, the AI grew without control; it went rogue. The S3 Plan and the war economy are the result of a system of algorithms boiling down real life into something that a program can interpret and control. Ultimately, who created the Patriot AI, or what their intentions were, is irrelevant. The AI leaves those intentions behind as it chases its ideal world of a programmable reality. Anyway, the thing I love most about MGS4 is how thoroughly and unrelentingly it wraps its main theme into every aspect of the game: death. The death of MGS. The Psyche gauge and stress percentage gamifies the difficulties of old age. The game's color palette, while at first resembling MGS4's contemporaries, more appropriately evokes the feeling of a sunset. The fanservice, the mashed-together references and motifs, it's not unlike having your life flash before your eyes in your last moments. But when you get to revisit Shadow Moses, it's dead. Cold. You can't go back, why did you think you could? Snake's mission in MGS4 is the same as Kojima's: finish what he started all those years ago. Snake's too old, Kojima's too tired. But it's their duty to see the mission through. And so Solid Snake's final mission is (or should have been) the end of Metal Gear. MGS4 is, in my eyes, the most personal MG in the series, and a game truly unlike any other because of that.

[@Pwntard]

Beautifully written, bravo!

[@r_eh290]

Exactly! That's why I feel the game works... I think that the statement I agree with most in George's analysis is "There was not a game like this, and there never will be a game like this again." MGS4 is a worthy (chronological) ending to the series. It is crazy, it is messy...but it is a kind of controlled chaos that, though somewhat imperfect (like all of the games, honestly), wraps up a legend in the world of gaming in a fitting (and overall fairly excellent) manner. Say what you will about IGN, but their description for MGS4's review is spot on: "A legendary hero gets a legendary sendoff"... See, I think that some people associate quality with perfection. I don't think George expects this (I think he is reasonable, and smart-liking the game is a matter of opinion at the end of the day), but I see people getting hung up over the game's level of "perfection" often... Fanboys are the only ones who call things "perfect" and none of these games are perfect. NO game is perfect, and no one should expect a perfect product, only a quality one; human beings make games, and Kojima and his team are certainly... interesting... people :)

[@FronkZappa]

I have reservations about the game but you perfectly summed up everything it is I love about it, particularly the aspect of death and it's importance to the story as well as the fact that the Patriots are not simply static villains but, rather, meant to tie into the overarching theme of genes/memes and how we pass on our legacy. The legacy of The Boss became so distorted over time, and really it was through Raiden's arc and Old Snake's acceptance of his fate in MGS4 that we see the heroic aspect of this concept, living for something you truly believe in. Solidus Snake once believed in something, but his vision became tainted - being impotent and unable to pass on his genes, he became consumed with the desire simply to pass on his image, to be only product of Les Infant Terribles to surpass their unwitting doppelganger Big Boss. If I had to pick a theme of the game, I'd say that's it. Big Boss never truly learned to live for his own ideals - his image was so molded by his mentor that he served only as a proxy to legitimize the Patriots' goals and desires. Solid Snake started on a similar path, but his heroism was balanced out by his growing cynicism and his understanding that he'd been a pawn, opting from MGS2 to truly take his own path and, in MGS4, accept and come to terms with who he'd been for so long... "Just an old killer"

[@One3673241]

The difference between Big Boss and the likes of Para-Medic is that the former had a far greater emotional and psychological attachment to The Boss, so it's obvious something like the (Admittedly retarded) ending of Peace Walker would greatly affect him to the point of becoming a power-hungry warmonger. The same cannot be said about Para-Medic, who was basically nothing more than an intern for the duration of the mission; there's no reason for her to be so influenced by The Boss or Operation: Snake Eater as a whole that she became the next Dr. Mengle. That's why MGS4 sucks in that regard.

[@the_echoYT]

The important thing to remember as well is that none of these characters have a heel-turn. We're talking decades of character growth which unfortunately even now exists only off-screen. The Dr. Clark that resurrected Gray Fox as a cyborg ninja is *36 years* removed from the Para-Medic who told Naked Snake about old movies during Operation Snake Eater. There isn't one point in any of these characters lives where they suddenly become someone else. It's a gradual shift based on their personal beliefs, experiences, and the ever-shifting sociopolitical landscape around them.

[@jackapplebaum5678]

Yes! Happy New Year, George. Thanks. All valid criticisms, the game is pure unadulterated fan service and the story is in its own way but yet I can’t help but love MGS4 scars and all. It’s what makes it work. Playing as Old Snake returning to Shadow Moses really is something special when you first experienced it as a child in 98 and are now an adult yourself. That was certainly the point and it succeeded. As a boy and now a man who’s been estranged from his father for most of his life, the final scene with Big Boss and Old Snake is one of the most significant emotional touchstones in gaming for me personally. In a series about tactical espionage action full of intrigue, super soldiers, meta narratives, geopolitics, and anti nuclearism, this is the most human moment to be had. I’ll always love it. “I've never thought of you... As a son. But I've always respected you as a soldier. And as a man.”

[@NinjaCakeAssassin]

Best new year's eve upload ever!!

[@watchvids7802]

yaaasss

[@GRNexusTeam]

Cake?!?!!!

[@NinjaCakeAssassin]

χαχαχαχαχα,βλέπετε superbunnyhop ρε αλήτες;;

[@wehad4319]

Cake, ti kaneis edo re?

[@ACRaptor17]

CAKE ? CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE !

[@D00000T]

liked how the part about the first total ceasefire in human history implicates that no one thought to just pick up a rock and continue fighting with primitive weaponry after everyone’s guns stopped working.

[@daoyang223]

Funny how people are willing to war still. Somehow some way. In real life. Instead of growing jaded of war. They would most definitely pick up a rock and keep fighting. Jesus Christ. I think I'm retarded.

[@RAINBOWNIGTHMAREPRODUCTIONS]

@@daoyang223 or use bioweapons

[@SpoonyBard88]

Does nobody have a knife? Or do the nanomachines blunt all of their edges without SOP? How are they all connected? Do they need to carry around a WIFI hotspot?

[@Sarvusify]

This thumbnail, man Everytime when I got this vid in my recommendations, I try to ignore it but this image always draws me back and I have to watch this again

[@MariusUrucu]

19:19 Um... why is there a copy of Sonic 06 on that desk? Is that a subtle jab on how stupid and inconsistent the story of MGS4 is... because if it is... I love you George. :)

[@Jose-se9pu]

Both games are just nonsensical fan-service.

[@nessesaryschoolthing]

The main difference between these two games is that if you skipped all the cut-scenes, MGS4 would still be a fairly descent game while '06 is a barely playable annoyance.

[@nessesaryschoolthing]

The whole plot between Sonic and the human princess is fan service, at least in the sense of being like someones furry wish fulfillment fanfic. Also it tries to bank off of Sonic Adventure nostalgia with a lot of call backs to that.

[@MaxLebled]

Woah. It is finally here. Thank you George and happy new year.

[@One3673241]

So when's your next MLP SFM coming out, Maxy?

[@MaxLebled]

One3673241 you have the wrong Max, I'm afraid.

[@One3673241]

I don't think soooooooooooooooooo~

[@One3673241]

"I think it’s pretty easy to see what McIntosh is probably referring to. The game tells you that the angrier you are, the more violent the difficulty setting you choose, the more masculine you become. If you choose the least violent option, the game literally depicts the character as a baby. Avoiding violence is thus presented as not manly." LOL GamerGate won, get over it.

[@MaxLebled]

?????????

[@salokin3087]

Welp I’ve been waiting years for this Worth it

[@youknowwhoitis2564]

"It's been 3000 years."

[@Bluecho4]

Kept you waiting, huh?

[@Liquid_Mike]

Honestly, 4 has probably given me the most memorable instances from any MGS game.. not best, but definitely most

[@MountedDragoon]

Personally, I loved MGS4. For me, it hit all the emotional notes it intended to, the story (like Sons of Liberty) is becoming more relevant as time goes on, and the humor wasn't lacking (the fanservice WAS the humor). There are some awkward moments that I didn't like, and the gameplay is too easy, but I think overall it's a great game. I see your point of how much of a bloated mess it is, and how a lot of the word content could have been excised without any detriment to the story, but this game is better when taken as part of the package that is the franchise rather than a standalone entry.

[@theorichardson9428]

The first time I played ANY Metal Gear I played 1-4 and PW one after the other for about two weeks in the in-universe chronological order (I purchased the Legacy Collection for PS3 which made that incredibly easy), therefore having played these games as a "package" I loved this game. In addition to this the graveyard scene was a really powerful end to the series. This video is still excellent though.

[@gokux75]

I wouldn't say I loved 4 but I did enjoy it and don't hate it. 2 was my first MGS game, although I knew about the events of the first, and I loved the story of 2 and replayed the game so many times. I was also only 14 when I played 2 so I was too young to understand the ending as something that didn't need explaining so I was desperate to have answers.

[@bryandacote8109]

I agree with you fully here. MGS4 has it's flaws, but I feel this review - which does make a lot of good points - comes off as more of a rant on how much he HATES the game. My introduction to the series actually wasn't through the gameplay - honestly I was intimidated by how much the characters went on about the detail and such of the gameplay, but I wanted to see the story so I watched the cutscenes of 1 - 4 (Peace Walker wasn't even a thing yet) starting with MGS3, then 1, 2 and finally 4 back to back to back. I love the story to MGS4. I do roll my eyes now upon revisit to the long explanations about the lore (for example; Big Mama/Eva's explanation) but it still has so much heart. Yeah the memorable moments in these are fan-servicy as hell, but that's the point and appeal. SomecallmeJohnny and TheGamingBritShow do a good job in their reviews of MGS4 at both criticizing the game but also praising it. The game's story is the ultimate wrap up to the series's over-all story with a bitter-sweet tone. Gameplay wise. most certainly the easiest in the series but I don't really mind that. It can be annoying to those who want a challenge, but not everyone wants a challenge. Some want to enjoy it. I do think it combines the gameplay of 1 - 3 into an awesome blend that really works. Probably the thing that makes the game too easy is Drebin's store since you don't need to worry about ammo or getting the right gun and such for the right situation.

[@sashabelichov5365]

I too love it. Besides MGS1, this is the other MGS I beat on European Extreme

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

I played MGS2 as a kid, then the years went and MGSV released, so I tought I would jump into the ol' Metal Gear saga, then I went back and played through all the MGS games, and I can say that I loved MGS4 having played it without the nostalgia googles

[@FastSugarPL]

He told it going to be released in 2017, he delivered.

[@Daniel-Rosa.]

FastSugar For real? He did?

[@mileswilliams4807]

The ending fight between Snake and Liquid Ocelot is pure fan service, but it could be one of my favorite parts of the whole series. I'd still put Big Boss standing over The Boss's grave in 3 over it, but the ending of 4 gives me the feels so bad.

[@kenjikuroiwa99]

Miles Williams Despite everything is so damn well executed that I can't help but loved it.

[@mileswilliams4807]

kentrix11 Same. My girl friend hadn't ever played or seen much of MGS before. She watched me playthrough all of them. I basically tried to speed run them to get to the story for her to watch. She started crying during that fight haha. She loves MGS now and she isn't a gamer.

[@MountedDragoon]

Dude, the graveyard scene in MGS4 made me cry for like two hours, lol.

[@mileswilliams4807]

Mounted Dragoon Yeah I love that scene also. Basically the whole game. It's got problems but I can't help but love it. Maybe I'm a fan boy. Oh well haha

[@MountedDragoon]

Same here, man. It was actually my favorite in the franchise until I rediscovered Sons of Liberty and actually understood its message.

[@GuyOnAChair]

I wonder if this video is accidentally meta. George doesn't want to talk about MGS4 and Kojima didn't want to make it. I was expecting to have my perception of MGS4 changed or learn something new or be shocked I didn't think of something but basically I only saw stuff I've already thought of and someone telling me I'm wrong for thinking Chapter 3 sucks especially on repeat playthroughs because I cannot make Mr.Whistler move faster. Is this as dissatisfying a conclusion as MGS4 on purpose? Also I hope he'll cover PW or PO even though he probably doesn't want to either.

[@Tamacat388]

GuyOnAChair ​​ George has kinda dismissed any MGS game after 3. And given his commentary on 4 I don't really care to see what he had to say about PW or MPO. These kinds of videos should be reserved for games he enjoys, whenever he talks about things he doesn't like I always find them far less entertaining and far less analytical.

[@Arexion5293]

33:11 Why is there a Sonic 06 box your desk? Should we be worried?

[@davidwatson9064]

Critical close up peace walker.... come-on George.

[@gambucino1260]

God damn old snake is thicc

[@bigboydancannon4325]

Your baldness is progressing in a respectable way.

[@ViktorKruger99]

Much better than James Rolfe if you ask me.

[@xBINARYGODx]

there is no such thing - just shave it off already - it will look better than the "I am so totally going bald, but I have styled my hair to make that is even more obvious"

[@xmm-cf5eg]

I'm more of a "who gives a shit how much hair you have" kinda guy, I think he looks alright!

[@wolfumz]

BINARYGOD yeah, George, at least try shaving your head and see how it looks.

[@IleMaster1]

While yes, 4 has is fair share of problems, I still love it.

[@BillyandBoby]

IleMaster thanks to mgs4 i finally know how people who like soap operas feel so it has that going for it

[@tex8939]

There is a difference in what you like vs what is good.

[@Jose-se9pu]

"fair"?

[@highestsettings]

A bad Metal Gear Solid game is still a great game to be fair. IRONwood has a point also, but MGS4 is still a fun game. Not nearly as good as the first 3, but still fun.

[@tex8939]

Good game, bad Metal Gear. Just like Fallout 4, it’s one of the shallowest and dull installment of the series.

[@flyaroundyourfire]

I loved MGS4

[@satan6552]

Personally, I've always thought of MGS4 as Kojima's way of warning fans to be careful what they wish for. He had no intention of diving back into that proverbial pool, but he was pestered, hounded, ridiculed, and ultimately had death threats leveled at him. Mad genius that he is, this was Kojima's version of throwing his hands up, exasperated, and saying "Fine, you want it, you got it. But you WILL NOT enjoy it." The fan base took the lore too seriously; took everything too seriously. Hideo Kojima gave the fans what they thought they wanted, and he was put through the wringer for it, just as he knew he would be. As he's said, after MGS2, he was done. I think they only reason he made 3 with such passion, was that he believed in it. It was a story that he wanted to tell, told the way he wanted to tell it. 4 never occurred to him until he'd finally had enough and figured out a way to both satisfy (we thought) the fans, and also to force them to leave him the hell alone.

[@maybemablemaples2144]

Not at me wanting to print out this comment on a shirt and wear it to my grave. He hated it and STILL gave us quality memes and setpieces. Like will your fave ever?

[@pepekovallin]

The fact snake is a tired old man kinda says that, I've heard a KZbinr talking about MGS4 and he said something like "sometimes it's best if we do not know what happened with our heroes", and MGS 4 is basically it, snake is dying, the supporting cast of MGS3 became the villains that enslaved humanity, Raiden became a cyborg that doesn't care about his own life, everything, and everyone is so fucked up that you would think "man, I'd rather not see them like this"

[@sasaider3711]

So we will just ignore Peace Walker and pretend, that 2 and 3 are good but 4 isn't, because of "he wanted to tell the story"?

[@boarpsimson8675]

"Took the lore too seriously" why is this shit so common? I hear people say the same shit about Evangelion. Dude, if the plot takes itself seriously, I will too. There is no way mgs2 is meant to be light-hearted. You're meant to take every part of the patriots storyline seriously. I understand the fans are partially at fault, but definitely not for this.

[@hypermonkeybird4945]

@@boarpsimson8675 its not that people took the story of 2 too seriously its that they took the actual lore too seriously. 2 is a video game. it is a video game about being a video game. people take it too far and make theories like "was mgs2 all virtual reality" because of some misguided belief that the only way a video game can express ideas is through literal plot events. mgs4 is what happens if you take the most literal interpretation of mgs2 happening "in-universe" for a fictional video game universe and try to explore what happens afterwards when it was never about that and was about the message. the end of the game is literally raiden rejecting his role as a player character in a video game. "taking the lore too seriously" absolutely applies for mgs fans in regards to 2.

[@WorldzMo5t3pic]

In MGS2 Liquid wanted to _control_ the Patriots while in MGS4 he just wanted them out of the way so he could control the Guns of the Patriots program for his own benefit. I suppose, for Snake and friends, the fact that Liquid accomplishes _half_ of his goals is mutually beneficial, after that all they had to do was make sure he didn't finish the _rest_ of his goals. Either way this is the way _I_ always interpreted the story, hilariously confusing as it is, I may play through it again just to be sure. MGS4 isn't one of the best games of all time but it will _always_ hold a special place in my heart for personal reasons.

[@Requiemrexx]

VelociFaptor I was thinking the same thing. "Wait a second, isn't George missing the picture here? I remember liquid trying to control that single SOP memory core to establish military dominance over the world. And didn't he want to continue Big Boss' legacy of warmongering - just without the AI?"

[@kpascua23]

VelociFaptor a

[@MountedDragoon]

That's not how I saw it at all. After a whole series of Ocelot triple-crossing people over and over, it turns out he's not as much of a bad guy as we thought. Big Boss split from the Patriots, and Ocelot followed. So the events of MGS1, 2, and 4 were orchestrated by Ocelot in order to destroy the Patriots. And the only way he could do that was by appearing to be the big bad of the series so that the Patriots would see Ocelot as a bigger threat than Snake and Snake would attempt to stop him, which ended the Patriots at the same time.

[@synapse6140]

"After countless fan requests and countless unanswered questions, we've thrown together this mess that we're promising is our last final mission/ Kept ya waiting huh?" Big bonus points for the meta level description for this video.

[@doalwa]

This may all be true, but damn...I still love this game!

[@phuturephunk]

38:00 Agness Kaku is a pro. Straight up. If there's anyone who could do the translation and the interpretation of the script, it was her. Everything she said about Kojima and the writing was spot on.

[@Mene0]

Whenever I watch these MGS story videos I always keep thinking about them for hours later, and I rewatch a bunch of other stuff too

[@55MrRockets55]

I think otocon said that the little metal gear is the one who delivers snake the ammo.

[@thiccboss4780]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXa4pYt-Zsipock does everybody Drebin attends have a MK2 ? how does the ammo get in the MK2 if it has a range limit?

[@terrenceswiff]

Paramedic is probably the one who makes the most sense to have changed, though. She has a conversation in 3 expressing a bizarre amount of interest in 1) Snake's genes and 2) cloning. Guess what happens? As for Naomi, she's basically a different character in this game and thoroughly terrible. Personal thoughts on 4: there's some great fanservice in it, but most of the "fanservice" is awful. I had a lot of fun with it as a game, oddly enough. The end.

[@kasaioni7680]

I mean, with Paramedic that's just intentional foreshadowing.

[@theorichardson9428]

Sigint ended up being the DARPA chief in MGS1 (becoming part of the military establishment) and Zero was already pretty much just part of the military establishment. It makes sense that the final gifts they give to humanity was a machine that perpetuates war.

[@One3673241]

Ah yes, one throw-away conversation that doesn't influence anything. Stop trying to rationalize idiotic writing to whine about a sexy non-existent woman dying.

[@philreddiii2048]

One3673241 He gave a solid point. Why are looking for people to argue with? I'm seeing you everywhere in these comments trying to tell people why their wrong.

[@One3673241]

He didn't, because one conversation does not a solid point make. It's thinking like this that makes these posters wrong.

[@EposVox]

Now this was the perfect way to end my 2017

[@devinarato69420]

Very perfect

[@FrankLoon]

Sometimes you gotta let a good thing die. It's the metaphysical dilemma most creators refuse to face but ultimately destroys their creation. Learn to let something die with dignity, people!

[@Cypress_Stoned]

I remember playing MGS1 way back on PS1, never got far into it. Years later I played MGS4 and I wholesomely enjoyed it. It was the last game that made me cry. It held no fan service over me, but yet I enjoyed ever last bit of the 8 hour cut scenes.

[@PainCausingSamurai]

Please make Professor George a returning character. Hell, please make "Academic Assistance with Professor George" a high tier Patreon reward.

[@juampan]

The link to "learn how the sausage is made" is the same as "the hypest MGS gameplay".

[@jonnysac77]

I actually loved this game for being the stupid overly self indulgent ending to the series, there's so much stuff that makes me wanna drink bleach but then there's so much that makes me go "Oh Shit Son!", it's the Halloween H20 of the MGS Series

[@Max-no1gl]

You put into words what I found hard to describe. Thanks.

[@MalahkAngel]

I'm in near total agreement with pretty much everything in this video, but one thing I wanted to point out is that I don't view Naomi's suicide as purely fan service. Sure, that's an undeniable element of it, but if you look at her character, she clearly has reservations about the work she's done. There could very well be a strong element of guilt playing into her choice there. Not everyone has Snake's will to fight through the pain. Otherwise, great video. I thoroughly enjoy your analyses of this series.

[@johnarbuckle4481]

I agree with your statement completely. After all, service means make happier, and I'm happy agreeing with you :)

[@annedrieck7316]

Wait, naomi commit suicide? Why?

[@TheKrowkaBoo]

Because she felt guilty for what she and her researches did to Snake,

[@X_I_A_N]

mgs4 was my favorite idk. I think it speaks volumes considering our wars today. Plus the B&B's are some of the best antagonists the series has seen! Love it!

[@NosTeraFuTV]

FUCK YEAH. This is the best video 2017 and i haven't even seen it. Thanks so much!

[@thiccboss4780]

WTF NOSTERAFUTV HOLY SHIT

[@antondelacruz9362]

Like any other mgs, you can ignore a lot of the flaws while exploring the game mechanics. You can also feel the effort that went into the game, making mediocre mgs more fun than a lot of good games.

[@StarFoxxy]

Thankyou so much for this wonderful gift!

[@IamtheMasterCommander]

Okay maybe I'm just a sappy fuck, but Meryl and Johnny kicking ass and taking names while professing their love for each other is pretty much one of my favorite Metal Gear sequences.

[@bluuuuuuuuuuue]

"MGS4 is the least stealth dependent and easiest of them all." I actually found it to be the hardest for some unknown reason, with MGS1 being the easiest.

[@Tom-lk1gg]

Maybe because of the Soliton Radar? For me the easiest is MGSV TPP since you can mark the enemies position, especially if bring along DD which automatically mark most of the enemies position.

[@Jeneric81]

It was insanely hard for me as well, but I probably played it ”wrong” by trying to be supersneaky

[@GeahkBurchill]

I'm getting my Georges confused because there is a Lava Lamp on the table. Shout out to those who understand that reference.

[@natthecat2004]

The piled up beer cans doesn't help either.

[@vv0sans693]

As if 2017 wasn’t divisive enough, now, here Professor George presents his controversial course: Metal Gear Solid 4: a dissertation off the rails.

[@AntonioTheTerrible]

It finally happened... The legend came back to life...

[@Honsanmai]

I can die in peace now

[@mrtibbs2]

You make some great points here. I appreciate and respect your opinion and I can’t say your wrong nor do I want to. Personally though, I adore MGS4 and I loved every second even after the third playthrough. One thing that even I can admit is that it is not the best mgs because it tried so much and kinda fails to be it’s own thing. I really love it despite everything and it has a place in my heart and will be with me forever! Thank you for giving me a look without the rose colored glasses.

[@mikelamb2504]

theres no way this video is almost 3 years old I remember seeing it in my notifications like a few months ago

[@Griffolion0]

"I'm sure that Kojima doesn't actually know how dumb this stuff sounds in English." Best description of the entirety of the MGS franchise.

[@Jake_Eyes]

He coulda said "Foxdie? NOT I!"

[@Roler42]

An even closer translation would have been "Fox... Die! ...DENIED!"

[@adamfrisk956]

@@Roler42 Sit down!

[@lukaszamecnik9186]

Was watching the mgsV critique video and here you are uploading a mgs4 video 😍😍😍

[@5324er]

Evaluating MGS4 should be something that takes years to see it in an objective light. I think the timing of this video is perfect. I adore this fucking game to death though.

[@Wolf21973]

I remember when the first couple of trailers came out for MGS4. It seemed to imply you would be deep in warzones with very little resources or ammo and you would have to work through it all like a puzzle. I was excited for that. Then the game came out and you has unlimited resources and a guy named Drebin unlocking everything.

[@glumbardi]

I have not started watching this yet, but I appreciate the existence of this video VERY much so, only because it seems like the first 3 are the only ones that ever get discussed extensively, as well as maybe 5 just from the standpoint of what a weird husk of a game that is. I'm in no way implying that MGS4 is even as good as any of the original 3, but it's a SUPER interesting game as far as it's place in the series and gaming culture as a whole, there's literally nothing else like it.

[@mulvi747]

It's like watching Zeus return to Olympus.

[@PunksterOS]

Why is the same person asking all the questions in the classroom... Teacher's Pet?

[@hadayimosi]

He arrived at class and gifted the teacher with an Apple _iPhone_

[@sirhenrymf]

I always liked the in-game explanation that Snake has always known CQC but stopped using it after fighting Big Boss, until the soldiers started using shitty “cookie-cutter” CQC after files on Big Boss came out, and him reflexively responding with CQC. Also Mt. Snakemore is the peak of video games honestly.

[@213213yoyo]

Actually there are pretty entertaining codecs, one of which shows how and why Snake knows CQC.

[@tcrpgfan]

Mine is the one where Otacon tries to remind snake to switch disks, only to remember they were now on Blu-Ray and didn't need separate disks.

[@AllThatJuice-]

Makes sense for the support team from MGS3 to be The Patriots. They were with Snake throughout the entire operation via coms, they witnessed everything, so it makes sense that it would have changed them, just like it changed Snake. Everyone directly inolved in that operation were changed in ways that impacted the entire world for the worse.

[@ohamatchhams]

IT'S FINALLY HERE PAPA BLESS

[@suedeerjay]

Four years later but worth the wait!!!!!

[@clearmountain28]

I really would love you to get back to reviewing this series. Still a few canon, and quite a few non-canon games to do indepth reviews for.

[@stephenmason1028]

Enjoyed the video a lot. I will say that it was definitely Peace Walker that changed the core game mechanic of tranquilizer head shots though. Before this game, there was no need to engage a soldier of any kind unless you just wanted to in order to have fun. All that mattered was that they didn't see you and raise the alarm. The soldiers in the Pre-Peace Walker games were as safe around me as a sleeping child, simply a knock on one side of a surface and a switch around or have them investigate a tossed item and they never even knew I was there. However, with Peace Walker's base building mechanic and the absolute requirement to recruit enemy soldiers into your rank via force, well... that peacefulness turned into, "sorry, but you're going to have to come with me." So it was that game that saw even a seasoned, 'sneaky sneaky' Metal Gear player like me living for the head shot.

[@sirernest546]

Still my favorite ps3 game of all Time (next to Dark Souls). While I see all the things wrong with it, the moments like the Metal Gear Rex Part, the fist fight with Ocelot and the ending with Big Boss are my favorite moments in gaming history.

[@TidalMello]

When Goerge keeps talking at the end and you're mad the credits showed up.

[@Crash-lm4zb]

My favorite moment that encapsulates this whole game is when Otacon says “time to change the disc... jk! Isn’t technology great?” as the game then proceeds to load the next segment of gameplay for 15 mins.

[@frymastermeat]

Was that your favorite moment that you totally thought at the time or just a joke from another KZbin "critique" video?

[@Crash-lm4zb]

both

[@hellogoodbye851]

I've been watching your MGS series over the past week while I replay Phantom Pain. You make such well developed and thought out points that I can't help but respect. You're pretty good!

[@sonokawaray]

I feel like there was a very easy idea staring localizers in the face in the Foxdie moment that could have fit the JP version's rhyme and cadence: "Fox..." "Die...DENIED!!" Sure, it makes Ocelot sound like a Wayne's World character, but Metal Gear is silly enough already that I think it would work.

[@tekkenzaibatsumishim]

I agree with the video. I wish MGS4 respected the symbol and message that the Patriots represented in MGS2. It had so much depth. The meaning and symbol of the Patriots was much more important. When MGS4 transformed the Patriots to something literal and chose the MGS3 team as a literal explanation it took away what MGS2 and to some extend what MGS3 left for us to ponder on. Hideo Kojima intended the Patriots to be something else. When the end credits in 2 revealed that they were dead 100 years ago, he meant that the Patriots represented the collective information that was defined by a class that ruled a nation (i.e the founding fathers and the elites), and regardless if they are dead, the information still lives. The information is digested and passed on from generation to generation. That information programs societies to think and act in certain ways. Like for example the sense of patriotism and values which may be based on selective choice of history and half truths. All these information, all these values that people carry as a form of identity and self importance, through the collective thought of societies it act's like an organism. At some point those thoughts took a "flesh" of their own in the AI in the form of the Patriots now acting like conscious individuals that work to keep societies thinking in specific ways and as a mass. But the essence of Patriots is not the AI. The essence of the Patriots are those values, ideas and information that pre-existed the AI but were inherited and passed on. The Patriots were so much more than just Zero's and his team''s interpretation of the Boss' dream. They were neither the AI nor People. the AI Colonel: To begin with -- we're not what you'd call -- human. Over the past two hundred years -- A kind of consciousness formed layer by layer in the crucible of the White House. It's not unlike the way life started in the oceans four billion years ago. The White House was our primordial soup, a base of evolution -- We are formless. We are the very discipline and morality that Americans invoke so often. How can anyone hope to eliminate us? As long as this nation exists, so will we Snake at the end of the game: The Patriots are a kind of ongoing fiction too, come to think of it.... The Patriots simply did NOT exist as anything "tangible". Only as an idea that makes people in the MGS2 universe think and act in certain ways.

[@mathematics557]

Couldn’t of said it better myself, I always felt you were never meant to see what the patriots look like, by doing so would be equivalent to seeing Master Chief face from halo. In my mine chronologically the series canonically ended at MGS2 Sons of liberty.

[@justbny9278]

At best we already had the Philosophers from Metal Gear Solid 3 to lay the foundation for them, an elite group making deals behind the scenes and manipulating the times, who's inheritance would pretty much be an ongoing fiction of control and conspiracy with seemly no end

[@LongSinceDead1]

Absolutely, you nailed it perfectly. It’s why the Patriots are so compelling and terrifying in 2 - they are the bedrock that makes up the nation itself. A consciousness born from the memes that have been passed on to build the systems that govern the nation. They represent something more - more than any cabal of Illuminati board members ever could. They are the country itself.

[@Элеонора-й7р]

Nah. Kojima made all the foundation for patriots reveal from making this codec at the end of 2 to continue their story and hints of who they were in 3 and hints of who they became.

[@tekkenzaibatsumishim]

@@Элеонора-й7р in the end of 2 Otacon said that they died 100 years ago. The Patriots "To begin with -- we're not what you'd call -- human. Over the past two hundred years -- A kind of consciousness formed layer by layer in the crucible of the White House. It's not unlike the way life started in the oceans four billion years ago. The White House was our primordial soup, a base of evolution -- We are formless. We are the very discipline and morality that Americans invoke so often. How can anyone hope to eliminate us? As long as this nation exists, so will we" Whatever came after 2, the plots had to find a way to rationalise the existence of the Patriots so that they had to make sense of it. Kojima wasnt planning to make more sequels after 2.

[@gdomjan83]

Oh Gosh, this was hard to watch. It was like being stabbed in the chest for 40 minutes. Why? Because you are right, right about every stupid thing about the game. And despite this, I can't stop liking this game. I am that fan who teared up during the microwave crawl, or during the big fight versus Liquid. And who was blown away with the story. And seeing all these things taken apart by you made me question myself. Am I really that big of a stupid fanboy that I like this trainwreck? I don't know. I still think MGS3 is the pinnacle of the series just as you do, but I can't look at this as a failure. To be honest, MGSV is much more of a failure in my eyes, it failed as an MGS game, while this might be a supbar MGS game, but it is still MGS, concluded in an interesting, although dumb way.

[@alecdaniel6204]

You're not the only one, I still think that it's seemingly tolerable at best regardless of its critical aspects.

[@ВнукХунты]

глупость есть везде и в мгс2 не меньше её.

[@bS0up]

No shame in liking something that objectively has some pretty major issues. Given the circumstances of its development, I can't imagine a version of the game that doesn't have serious flaws, even when you look at some of Kojima's ballsier ideas for earlier drafts of the script. He was trying to tie up loose ends he never intended to tie up. Still, the game manages to be pretty fun to play, even if it's probably my least played in the franchise. I still give it a go anytime I feel like going through the games in chronological order. The return to Shadow Moses alone makes it worth popping in every now and then.

[@gdomjan83]

Yes I feel the same way. :)

[@blitzkriegdragon013]

A lot of his arguments are quite shallow though. The Patriot rant was absolutely nonsensical. "You're telling me these jokey fun loving people turned into unintentional monsters? Ridiculous." Meanwhile "Big Boss' turn from a fun loving man into an unintentional monsters was inspired." The microwave rant was also dumb because I never saw the plot whole. Mk. 2 can't upload without going out of stealth mode. The moment that happens, the mini geckos would fucking kill him. Snake was sent to aggro them. The Liquid and Snake fight was a great way to end the whole series. It's two men literally trying to kill each other for the sake of "we gotta settle the score." MGS4 is no where near the trainwreck George says it is, and this video was honestly so disappointing. Sure, it had problems, but it wasn't MGS V. And I actually like that game, but that game had some real story problems.

[@Iroquois2688]

George also forgot to mention that series mainstay composer Norihiko Hibino left the franchise at this point, thus the in-game music is nowhere near as good as MGS2/3.

[@Tamacat388]

Hibino worked on this game. And he only worked on 2-4 and the spin-offs produced in that time. Not sure how much that counts as a mainstay composer. MGS never really had a "main composer" they change it up every few years it seems.

[@Iroquois2688]

He worked on ONE track in MGS4, under his GEM IMPACT company and which only appears in one cutscene. He single-handedly worked on the entirety of all in-game music of Ghost Babel, MGS2, The Document of MGS2, MGS3, the Snake Eater song, the cutscenes of TTS and supplied a few tracks for MPO.

[@ВнукХунты]

нечем музыка не хуже мгс 2,3.

[@heartlessangel2910]

37:40 I wanna give a shout out to Tomokazu Fukushima for all of his writing efforts. I particularly enjoyed The Snake Tales he did for MGS2, those sweet little alternative stories.

[@Demigod_3scrub]

Fyi the Ending of this game made me shed man tears .. just as Mgs 3 did ..

[@thekingofmoo4346]

MGS1: Gene MGS2: Meme MGS3: Scene MGS4: Has-Been

[@TheKrowkaBoo]

Sense aka Will

[@geryldpina7091]

I’m with the gaming Brit on this one. While I’ll admit its flaws, 4 was a far better conclusion to the series than 5. 4’s over the top nature had a charm to it that I never got bored of. It’s definitely not as good as the previous 3, but I couldn’t have imagined a better conclusion for solid snake

[@Xxandrew01]

Geryld Pina Agreed!

[@mcsonicsimpson]

When I finished MGS2 I went to watch your critical close up on it, and stopped when MGS4 got involved because I hadn't played it yet. Now that I finished 4 I started watching this, but stopped when V got involved because I haven't played it yet. Can't wait to finish V and come back to a new upload with spoilers for Metal Gear Survive

[@mcsonicsimpson]

Update: I finished V yesterday No survive spoilers in sight I'm not sure whether to be disappointed or not

[@taylordull9516]

@@mcsonicsimpson Survive ain't great. Once you're done with 5 you're pretty much good. Survive at least has the core of 5's gameplay but it's in service of nothing.

[@Steadysphere]

It feels like the saga of Critical Close-Ups is complete. Thank you George! While I didn't mind the game so much, it's always enjoyable watching you dissect the MGS games.

[@guyWSonicpicture]

This game is a lie!!! You never stop being an anime otaku!!

[@FrankLoon]

Yes you do. When you realise it's a generic, stale and hermetic art form. Just second place next to contemporary comic books. Not subversive or thought provoking. Just drivel.

[@blackmantis1511]

cinnabon suppository Except that he’s saying that about anime.