Critical Thinking JT and Lady Cee

[@ExJWCriticalThinker]

We enjoyed being on your program. Many thanks for having us on. We always enjoy collaborating with you. Lady Cee and JT

[@feartofreedom2972]

Always a pleasure

[@beautyRest1]

I love both of your channels, because the info given is something we all felt, something that helps us get thru and your info is clear and objective and neither one of you bashes other exjw , that only plays into watchtowers hands!

[@ChildofGod.501]

I enjoyed your presence there.

[@cozettetyler149]

Love the interview JT lady C

[@reinaldofranco2966]

I left 2016 and when I found JT and Lady Cee they became my favorite. They showed me that we don’t need to be angry for leaving and being doctrinated for years. Great interview

[@JoJoDelBosque]

I grew up in the organization with an unbelieving father, and some days I think the fact that my father was not one was my saving grace. My mother tried to force beliefs and practices on me, but he would set a limit. My aunt, uncle, and their children joined as well. My cousin recently married a brother that my mother knows almost nothing about and has never met, but because he’s a brother who served where the need was great, she considers him to be the most amazing man that has ever graced our family. My husband who has helped take care of her for the last 13 years is garbage in her eyes because he is not a witness. I never accepted the org’s teaching, and I will never forget her telling me she would rather see me dead than to be part of the world. The trauma is so real!

[@sexykaren8919]

Oh my, i can relate😢 my only sister hates me because i fell out of JW, she will tell me i will continue to suffer because I'm an unbeliever, and now my life has never been the same ever since i left JW, i don't know if she is the cause of my problems just to prove that I'm being punished for falling out 😢

[@bernardtannerjr.6010]

I faded 22 years ago when I slowly came out of the Organization's groomed foggy coma. I have come to love your channel, 'The Truth Hurts', Owen Morgan's Channel, The John Ceder's Channel, '1st Generation Apostates', Seth Andrews' and Aron Ra's, 'The Modified Skeptic', 'Holy Koolaid' and others. We were lied to and it enrages me! I am a 3rd generation, Born-In Ex-JW. Keep up the Great and Important Work. Bernard

[@MoniqueWagner-j7t]

I'm a Critical thinkers Groupie! 🎉 It's Really getting me through this devastating state I've been in.. Thank you ALL SO MUCH!!

[@feartofreedom2972]

You are so welcome

[@wk2761]

Great video Jack! I used to tell my spouse "I'm hearing it but I'm not seeing it." The same way JT felt. Thank you Lady Cee and JW. We love you all!

[@beautyRest1]

Thank you so very very much. Both channels are great, and I enjoy to hear Lady C and JT’s story! Thanks again Jack,! !! Much love💕💕💕

[@Mombal5]

I definitely feel that elders, pioneers and bethelites are the ones that leave and become the activists because they know so much. I’m sure they also feel used the most. I pioneered and worked my job and had to be prepared for the meetings so I could participate and be a good example. I felt so stressed all the time. And that was back when it was 90 hours. It’s a religion where the people just give and give. It was never enough. I have the most stress free life now.

[@moonsong9472]

Excellent interview, and all so true! Thank you Jack, JT and Lady Cee. Greetings from Aus 🦘

[@cambridge384]

Thank you for inviting JT and Lady Cee. This video is very informative and helpful advice for exjws. Recovering from giving up control of my life to this cult has been a struggle. But knowing there are other people going through this experience gives me the support and strength to keep moving forward.

[@kellyroland6109]

Ha and now your together♥️ in this podcast. I love seeing you side by side 🩷

[@feartofreedom2972]

Yay! Thank you!

[@grammargoddessNYC]

Excellent!! Their channel helped me tremendously! And it’s very true, I felt like I could listen to them. Excellent discussion! Thank you!

[@toddhayes3506]

God Bless Critical Thinker JT and LadyCee

[@arlenefisher4868]

Great interview. Love JT /LadyC. I’ve learned so much from them.😊

[@feartofreedom2972]

They are awesome

[@toddhayes3506]

Great interview masterpiece

[@Hawxx9194]

My favorite 3 content creators.... together at the same time....what could be better?

[@feartofreedom2972]

Thank you 🙏

[@funbucket1246]

Love you three, thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Estee.Ar.6869]

Great interview!

[@kevinmoyer6224]

Love jt & lady c!!! This will be good 👍

[@Itching2bfree]

As an ex-SDA, this was a fascinating and informative discussion! I thoroughly enjoyed it!

[@feartofreedom2972]

Thank you

[@debbipatrickdr.5boutique195]

I'm🥰 a big Critical thinker Fan of Lady C and JT. yay a new video to watch

[@donnahenry7411]

Thank you for this enlightening interview of JT and Lady C. I can relate to what JT was telling about how we were told not to go to college...and I too could have gone to college for free because of affirmative action and Martin Luther King which coincidentally right now is his holiday coming up on Monday. And being black and a JW and not allowed to do a lot of ordinary things. These were all things that were piled up against us...and today looking back on all of that. It definitely extreme organization and my mother was all wrapped up in it. Thinking that this system would end in 1975, which is when I graduated. Hindsight is 2020.

[@donnahenry7411]

P.s... adding insult to injury I excelled in school graduated with honors just to be misguided into not going to college...

[@TheC.O.-VISIT]

Great interview, Jack. JT and Lady Cee are celebs, everyone knows them! ❤

[@feartofreedom2972]

They are exceptional 😊

[@jeanniejewel2272]

Excellent video. Thank you.

[@dianehanson5691]

I went to a bible study on Thursday with my husband who is the "student" during which they (the 2 teachers) allowed me to ask questions. I think I asked some good critical thinking questions. Since I am upset about this teaching, I asked how they can possibly believe that Jesus is Michael the archangel especially after reading Hebrews which I read during this meeting. They defended their belief by what the GB says. I also questioned disfellowshipping and why they think Jehovah has been God's name since it was made up by a Catholic dude sometime in the 14th Century. One of the teachers was surprised about that one. I was very respectful and polite. This whole ordeal is disturbing.

[@siggimad1219]

You can also ask how can it be that the inspired word of God and Jesus by himself says that human history is just short over 6000 years old when there are massive archeology evidence for intelligence (human) life prior 4026 BCE? Is the bible not inspired? Does God lie through his inerrant book the bible? Is the whole book of Genesis (actually a third part of human history according bible chronology) just mythology as it actually seems? If so, the whole sinfall story and the need of a messiah is just fiction. Shall we base our life on fiction? Denying us our live now for a fictional future in a mary-go-round wonderland called Paradise with wishful thinking as resurrection involved?

[@morningglory9288]

Please ask them (if you have another bible study) how can Jehovah be Jesus's Father? In the OT Jehovah is seen to kill literally 100's of thousands of innocent people, he has major temper tantrums, he approves of blood sacrifices both animal and human. Exodus 13:1,2 "Then the LORD said to Moses, 2 “Dedicate to me every firstborn among the Israelites. The first offspring to be born, of both humans and animals, belongs to me.” Also Exodus 34:19, 20. Jesus was against the killing and sacrifices of animals and humans. In fact, because Jehovah was the God whom the Israelites worshipped, he had this to say in John 8:44 "For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies." So Jehovah is Satan. Compare 1 Chronicles 21:1 with 2 Samuel 24:1 (use bible hub to compare different versions, the NWT has altered the wording)

[@ucanliv4ever]

"Massive archeology (sic) evidence ? More like massive fraud. There were no dinosaurs. Do you also believe we went to the moon. You are being duped on a massive scale.

[@TruLuan]

As you start doing more and more critical thinking, you'll start to see how every Christian Denomination has just taken from the Catholic (the true church established by Christ) and added their own twist. It's insane.

[@EL-IZ-At-BETH-sarim]

This is great! Thank you all!❤ Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱

[@southcentral90044]

When elders leave and tell WHY they left; it's one of the biggest threats to the organization!!! You are definitely two of my favorites/BEST on the internet. You are destroying the lies with FACTS that you have survived through. Thank You! Keep working together. Your personalities and styles mesh perfectly! There are no smoke and mirrors, just FACTS and realities!

[@feartofreedom2972]

Thank you 🙏

[@tashalocklin-du7fe]

Can't wait until the protest. Be Free!

[@MoniqueWagner-j7t]

You guys are so beautiful.. at least you have each other... 😊 🎉

[@celienrivera1585]

Critical Thinkers Unit! Luv what you all do , videos have helped me tremendously…I would like to reach out to people in NCali if anyone would like to respond 🙌🏻

[@louiskucinski5016]

What woke me up was the reinstatment process. I could not get reinstated and realized how the elders made me feel and how cold they are coupled with how they uses phrases that turn out to be lies. For example, they simplify the matter and say its easy but yet say something like "more time needs to pass" And i started to think why does it take so long to get reinstated to a dam religon that does not care yet i know my personal relationship with God i had been forgiven. From that point with the help of this channel and shunning vidoes i realized more .

[@feartofreedom2972]

The reason why they say: more time needs to pass is because they don’t want others to be doing the same thing thinking they can get reinstated in a short time. It has nothing to do with you it’s all about “what will the congregation think”.

[@louiskucinski5016]

@@feartofreedom2972 Well thats a good point however when one says "more time needs to pass" I dont know what that means ? its too subjective

[@Aquamayne100]

18:08 JT and Lady Cee are speaking facts

[@linvest8466]

Loved the review, keep up the good work, blessings to you all!

[@All_Things_Made_New]

I felt the same way ! If i go to a therapist they won’t want to learn about Jehovah smh..Praise God for freedom!

[@dianehanson5691]

I am a therapist. That's why I am here; to learn. I have learned so much about high-control religions. This was Not taught in graduate school.

[@mrm8850]

Galatians 5:1

[@DrAfiaz]

I heard a great quote, “Have a mind that is open to everything and attached to nothing.”

[@beautyRest1]

Thanks so much!! Very helpful,!!

[@futureofhealthforlife]

These two are the best

[@fifthdimension1984]

In my experience of 35 yr+ of being a JW but somewhat faded, the problem with most JWs is that they willingly revolve their entire lives around it. They fully immerse themselves allowing the organisation to dictate every facet of their lives. In my case, i was working, so i always maintained friends outside the JW circle and I never aspired to" reach out" at all...ever. All my siblings are JWs but it doesnt bother them that i havent been to a meeting in 10 yrs. This business of telling the elders about any issue you have or hear about is part of the problem too. I would never spill my story or issue or "confess" to an elder. I deal with my own problems. I guess therefore i never imbedded myself into the organisation even when i was an active publisher and so i had no trouble fading. Im not DFed and the local elders, though they initially tried to "shepard" pretty much gave up. Which was good.

[@Mary-id9ip]

I thank Lady C and JT for my first critical thought” . They asked “have you ever wondered why every assembly is short of funds?” … YES

[@KC-gi9ol]

Great interview, Jack, thank you! Love JT and Lady Cee. ❤ 44:05 Group Think is very prevalent in the JW org. It always irritated me. As kids we learned real quick not to express our opinions or question things, at least not publicly. Even with my parents I had to be careful. We learned to just go along. Group Think is another one of those “cheap psychological methods” JT noted that the Borg uses on members. All cults use it.

[@exjwukmusicalescape9241]

This was a great discussion I think if you can read different sides of an argument and realise the strengths and weaknesses of your own position your on the way to thinking critically. It makes me wonder can a person think critically without humility or realisation we haven’t seen all the evidence we don’t have all the answers?

[@StefWokeUp]

This was excellent.

[@Dengwale2]

Great video Jack the hardest thing after jw it’s emotional and mental trauma you deal with guilt every time you think about telling people about what the organization about, the people are great, but they understand the organization, so you always relate to people that organization do you think it’s the hardest part sadly

[@Pitcher902]

People are exactly where they need to be. Despite coming to realizations take away the good from what you've experienced. It's not all it's cracked up to be when you leave the protection and close friendship of what was your family at the Kingdom Hall and then find yourself out in the world where for some of us none of the things that truly matter exist.. There are flip sides to everything. Many people who became witnesses are having needs and for many having fulfillment of these needs far outweigh what they will gain on the outside. Be respectful of people's choices and people's differences. It's one thing to enlighten people but revelation of what's not favourable should be balanced with what is favourable. I'd sooner have a JW living next door to me than a good many non JWs. (JT and Lady Cee at least have one another, things might have been different if one of them were not in the equation.)

[@louiskucinski5016]

Wow the structure of how the organizaion controls the manuscripts of the talks is shocking and i did not know controled things like that . And the answer regarding how the GB delludes themselves it a great explination . This is classic Narcissist behavior the arrogance that they are helping people is how they feed off that and that generates the idea that they expect people to serve them. I am also thankful that you are on the Utube channel as you are one of my favoites in the ex jw community . You utube channel really handled the issue in a very dignified way. Just first class stuff.

[@feartofreedom2972]

Thank you 🙏 so much

[@jtopdawg6]

Love this ❤

[@robertstambulovski]

Jehovah's witnesses happiest people on earth ' Been one and still am since 1989'

[@feartofreedom2972]

As long as you are happy, I’m happy for you.

[@michelletorbert5021]

So you really believe there is a substitute for Christ?? Read 2nd corinthians 5:20 in the NWT. No other bible anywhere ever in history says substitute for christ..because there is no substitute for christ..zero.

[@beaniebaby1208]

Really? Cos im one and suicidal most days and everyone i know in it is depressed or sick

[@moonsong9472]

You should be happy...you're allowed to have a beard now. Whawoo!!

[@morningglory9288]

When I was a JW bible student, I wish I asked more questions. The GB always bothered me, in that JW's were to follow and obey men. My bible teacher said they were inspired by Holy Spirit and is the reason why they had no issue in believing everything they taught. Now the GB admits they're neither inspired nor infallible and can err in doctrinal matters. If I had known that when I was studying, I may never have got involved.

[@futureofhealthforlife]

This is insane, what did I follow for years?

[@stevenm3428]

A cult.

[@realliving7340]

I feel the same way. It's embarrassing...

[@cozettetyler149]

I'm thinking critical

[@Coral-lu5hi]

Haven't heard from JT and lady Cee especially with reference to the new light beards etc

[@mrm8850]

setting yourself free Galatians 5:1 “It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.”to burden with cruel or unjust impositions or restraints; subject to a burdensome or harsh exercise of authority or power: a people oppressed by totalitarianism. to lie heavily upon (the mind, a person, etc.): Care and sorrow oppressed them.Totalitarianism is when regimes (political systems) control all public behavior and as much of private behavior as they can. No elections are held, or if they are, candidates must be approved by the ruling group. Physical force and/or arrests and detentions are used on people who protest against the regime.total control over the governed; they regulate nearly every aspect of public and private behavior. governing body: Governance can be defined as: “The system by which entities are directed and controlled. It is concerned with structure and processes for decision making, accountability, control and behavior's at the top of an entity.

[@kellyroland6109]

Question, why is Lady C and JT always in separate places during the interviews and podcasts. Just curious, I love them both.

[@creativestudio-101]

😂😂😂 It’s easier for me to put him in his own frame when doing livestreams.

[@chriscampas-svensson461]

I love your content and have the upmost respect for you both. I do have a question though. Being critical thinkers what is your view of Christianity in general and are you believers? I ask this because coming out of watchtower I went into orthodox Christianity but after 3or 4 years I have become an atheist or at least an agnostic as you can’t prove for or against a deity. There’s a KZbin Chanel called MythVision and after listening to PhD’s in the field of ancient Hebrew and Greek it’s very difficult to believe the context of the bible as accurate historical evidence for the existence of God. The likes of Bart Ehrman and books like God an Anatomy sealed it for me. I’d love to hear your opinion on this.

[@Odstrachudowolnosci]

❤❤❤❤

[@_J_M]

Great video! Side note, you sound just like the Father on the cartoons, Caleb and Sophia . Is it you? 👀

[@feartofreedom2972]

Hahaha that’s a first for me

[@compositioncompilation]

What does the gathering of the nations to Armageddon involve ? How do Gods representatives work with Almighty God in so doing ? Are revelation 16:13&14,s unclean expressions come from Gods representatives , the two witnesses of revelation 11. Are the unclean statements possibly inclusive of the lie during the ARC?

[@jessemachuca]

I’m a JW turned Catholic

[@adamjewell5197]

🍻🥂🍻

[@LadyLLadyL-b7n]

When your PIMO and your spouse not… very very hard 😢

[@nanaamapay9632]

When you are a pimo being at the meeting and listening to things you don't believe in anymore is extremely hard . And seeing those you love deeply just sitting there so happy to be the special ones is even more painful 💔

[@morningglory9288]

​@nanaamapay9632 yes I felt physically sick by the talks given once I woke up. I couldn't attend the meetings any longer knowing everything that came out of their mouths was hogwash. I'd see my adult children and their spouses taking everything in as gospel, but I couldn't do it. Now they're all shunning me.

[@llen609]

Their favourite pet saying is divinely appointed. No every elder every guy anybody member every ministerial servant is voted in. By men who never went past high school.

[@leejohnson6328]

measuring teachings by your personal taste is not a true measurement of truth

[@feartofreedom2972]

perfectly stated

[@snowwhite2709]

Truth is found by doing research from ALL available data everywhere, not just by looking at material provided inside your own religion, and also interpetated by the same religion.

[@leejohnson6328]

@@snowwhite2709 truth is proven not by your own personal desires

[@snowwhite2709]

@@leejohnson6328 truth is not personal desires, but it is researching all data, not 9 men at the top of a publishing company telling you that they have it, that they are not inspired nor infallible.

[@morningglory9288]

A thing that got me was why JW's are never baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spiriit that the bible says we should. This is a question I should have asked, but never did.

[@robotaholic]

Parents who teach their children how to read by giving them religious cult material is so macabre! It's ridiculous!

[@compositioncompilation]

If the accusations made against Jesus match with the accusations made against the representatives of the anointed..is that just a coincidence..or has that happened in order to fulfill prophetic pattern: He ENDURED the contrary talk of sinners against their own interests.. . He was RECKONED WITH THE LAWLESS

[@feartofreedom2972]

I don’t understand your comment. Can you be more specific?

[@compositioncompilation]

@@feartofreedom2972 Jesus and the governing body are accused of : Being mad Demon possessed Blasphemers etc

[@compositioncompilation]

@@feartofreedom2972 The very same accusations that people made against Jesus are the ones made against the government body today.. I found that amazing..more than a coincidence. In addition Rev 11:6 tells us the two witnesses are AUTHORISED by God to strike the earth with plagues repeatedly.. Causing the lives of people in contact with the Governing body to be detrimentally affected..imagine..God Almighty there AUTHORISED it ! . It went a huge way in explaining to me dome of the disturbing things ld seen and experienced personally.

[@sydhill8173]

Was Jaracz a pedo, or accused of being one?

[@feartofreedom2972]

There are rumours of him being accused of molesting a woman. Unproven and not confirmed. He was the one that pushed for 2 witness rule.

[@dalesmith7244]

Why don't you haters get a life and a real job. Apparently yall have went back to believing in a burning grave and JESUS Being the ALMIGHTY, GIve me a BREAK!!😢

[@feartofreedom1395]

❤❤❤